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MarkTX
02-22-2009, 08:57
I recently got an 8lb jug of Winchester Super Target to share with a buddy, he wanted to try it with his 45acp match loads. I've found 2 sources for load data on the net but wondered if anyone on here has worked up some pet loads with this powder ? 230gr FMJ, 225gr LRN, 200gr LSWC would be the bullets used.

Its doesn't seem to be the favorite on the various reloading forums as I find only rare mention of it. Also, I might try it with 9mm and 40 FMJ - IDPA loads -any data on those calibers you guys have tested ? :embarassed:

bobo06
02-22-2009, 09:01
My ipsc load for years has been 5.7 grains of WST with a 200 grain lead SWC from a lyman mold . about a 180 power factor

tjpet
02-22-2009, 09:42
9mm:

115/124grn. 4.8-5.4grns. WST

147grn. 3.2-3.8grns. WST

.40:

180grn. 3.2-3.8grns. WST

200grn. 3.0-3.4grns. WST

.45ACP:

200grn. 4.4-5.1grns. WST

230grn. 4.4-4.9grns. WST

I love WST for target/mid-range loads. Accurate, clean burning, and low recoil it's my go-to powder for the common semi-auto pistol rounds.

fredj338
02-22-2009, 10:11
My ipsc load for years has been 5.7 grains of WST with a 200 grain lead SWC from a lyman mold . about a 180 power factor

Hey Bob, you sure that's 5.7gr? That is pushing WST very, very hard. I have been shooting 4.9-5gr under a 200grLSWC for years. It chronos 900fps+/- w/ the best accuracy of any powder I have tried. For a 230grLRN, 4.5gr gives 830fps & the same charge under a 230grFMJ yields just under 800fps.
Like tj, it's my powder choice for accuracy/target loads in 9mm & 45acp. It does ok in the 40 but I get better accuracy w/ WSF for some reason.

MarkTX
02-22-2009, 10:43
Wow, thanks guys lots more data to compair than I expected :cool:

I've found the data at: http://stevespages.com/page8.htm very helpful in the past for doing a quick check on reported loads, but its not clear on that site what bullet is being used (lead or jacketed).

MarkTX
02-22-2009, 10:49
...230grn. 4.4-4.9grns. WST

I love WST for target/mid-range loads. Accurate, clean burning, and low recoil it's my go-to powder for the common semi-auto pistol rounds.

Can I assume all those load were jacketed bullets ?

bobo06
02-22-2009, 13:46
Yes it is 5.7 grains. and no it is not a jacketed bullet. I think it's a lyman#468 mold but i'm not sure on that. Chrono's at 920 -930 fps.

fredj338
02-22-2009, 15:38
Yes it is 5.7 grains. and no it is not a jacketed bullet. I think it's a lyman#468 mold but i'm not sure on that. Chrono's at 920 -930 fps.

Bob, sorry man, that just sounds hot! I recently ran some 5gr/200grLSWC loads over my Oehler from a XDTAC & one of my 1911s. I get 910 & 925fps respectively. I've got to think that 5.7gr load is running hard on the heels of 1000fps from a 5" gun or maybe oyu've got a slightly oversized chamber that is showing up as a "slow" bbl.:dunno:

Norbit
02-22-2009, 15:49
I use 4.6 grains of WST under a Hornady 230 gr. FMJ. Chrono's at 770 FPS out of a 5 inch barrel.

RLDS45S
02-22-2009, 17:18
Hodgdon Powder Company
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 2/22/2009
data.hodgdon.com 45 ACP
Load Type: Pistol Powder: WSF

Cartridge Information
Case: Winchester Barrel Length: 5"
Twist: 1:16" Trim Length: .893"
Primer: FEDERAL 150

45 ACP
Cartridge Load Data Starting Loads

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Maximum Loads

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Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
155 GR. CAST LSWC WSF .451" 1.230" 7.1 934 11,600 CUP 7.9 1064 15,900 CUP
180 GR. LFP WSF .452" 1.140" 6.6 887 12,200 CUP 7.3 1003 16,500 CUP
185 GR. HDY JSWC WSF .451" 1.195" 6.8 886 13,400 CUP 7.5 981 17,400 CUP
200 GR. CAST LSWC WSF .451" 1.225" 6.0 870 15,200 CUP 6.7 970 19,400 CUP
200 GR. SPR JHP WSF .451" 1.155" 6.1 807 12,500 CUP 6.8 929 16,700 CUP
230 GR. HDY FMJ FP WSF .451" 1.200" 5.7 766 12,100 CUP 6.4 851 15,700 CUP
230 GR. LRN WSF .452" 1.200" 5.8 832 14,500 CUP 6.3 892 16,800 CUP


NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS

MarkTX
02-22-2009, 18:01
Where did you get that data, I like the detail.

However, I was asking about WST not WSF :embarassed:

fredj338
02-22-2009, 20:47
Where did you get that data, I like the detail.

However, I was asking about WST not WSF :embarassed:

Look at the Hogdon powder site. Just google Hogdon & go to data.

2240
02-22-2009, 23:42
Another advantage of using WST is it's always available. Everyone is still stuck on Bullseye and 231.

RustyFN
02-23-2009, 07:36
Where did you get that data, I like the detail.

However, I was asking about WST not WSF :embarassed:



http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp
Rusty

cliffb
02-23-2009, 08:37
I use 4.5 gr WST behind a 230 gr plated RN bullet and a 200 gr LSWC.
Economical, clean and soft shooting.

tjpet
02-23-2009, 09:05
Can I assume all those load were jacketed bullets ?

I've used the data for lead, plated, and jacketed bullets.

fredj338
02-23-2009, 09:35
I use 4.5 gr WST behind a 230 gr plated RN bullet and a 200 gr LSWC.
Economical, clean and soft shooting.

Note TJ gave a range for charges. Using lead data for jacketed is ok, but not the other way around. Note in my earlier reply, the same charge under a lead bullet was 30fps faster. Since there are no free lunches when it comes to vel. vs pressure, the lead load will have slightly higher pressure w/ identical charges.

djinco
02-23-2009, 11:14
I just tried WST this weekend with 45ACP. It is accurate and clean. Nice. Thank you Mr. President. I would have never tried it except it was about the only powder on the shelf.

MisterLady27
02-23-2009, 15:14
Howdy All,

1. I won't give credit to our current administration - however - they may have influenced me to buy another 8 lb jug of WST last weekend.

2. May the anti's RIH.
ML27

djinco
02-23-2009, 15:32
Howdy All,

1. I won't give credit to our current administration...

Ah there is a silver lining in everything. If you are neck deep in bull crap, at least you are warm.

The light at the end of the tunnel? It's a freight train coming at you.:rofl:

MarkTX
02-23-2009, 17:44
Another advantage of using WST is it's always available. Everyone is still stuck on Bullseye and 231.

What got me interested in WST for my pistol calibers (9mm, 40s&w, 45acp, and 38special) -was the comments by a few folks that it was cleaner shooting than W231. I've never had any other complaint with W231 as I don't really push my loads, it meters well, and is very economical due to most load being around 5gr.

So if WST gives me equal or better performance, shoots cleaner, and is typically loaded below 5grains then I'm good.

The fact that its not the most popular does make it more available than some -but man that 8lb jug is gonna take alot of crankin' to use up :rofl:

cliffb
02-23-2009, 18:22
Note TJ gave a range for charges. Using lead data for jacketed is ok, but not the other way around. Note in my earlier reply, the same charge under a lead bullet was 30fps faster. Since there are no free lunches when it comes to vel. vs pressure, the lead load will have slightly higher pressure w/ identical charges.


True but I don't believe it's an issue in my case since the lead bullet I'm using is 200gr, not 230gr.

RLDS45S
02-23-2009, 18:37
Hodgdon Powder Company
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 2/23/2009
data.hodgdon.com 45 ACP
Load Type: Pistol Powder: WST

Cartridge Information
Case: Winchester Barrel Length: 5"
Twist: 1:16" Trim Length: .893"
Primer: FEDERAL 150

45 ACP
Cartridge Load Data Starting Loads

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Maximum Loads

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Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
155 GR. CAST LSWC WST .451" 1.230" 4.9 919 13,100 CUP 5.4 1017 16,700 CUP
180 GR. LFP WST .452" 1.140" 4.4 846 13,300 CUP 4.9 912 16,100 CUP
185 GR. HDY JSWC WST .451" 1.195" 4.4 794 14,100 CUP 4.9 866 16,500 CUP
200 GR. CAST LSWC WST .451" 1.225" 4.4 830 15,400 CUP 5.1 910 19,900 CUP
200 GR. SPR JHP WST .451" 1.155" 4.6 789 15,900 CUP 5.1 898 17,500 CUP
230 GR. HDY FMJ FP WST .451" 1.200" 4.1 733 13,900 CUP 4.9 848 16,100 CUP
230 GR. LRN WST .452" 1.200" 4.0 776 14,300 CUP 4.3 812 16,400 CUP


NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS

Boxerglocker
07-11-2010, 22:25
.45ACP:

200grn. 4.4-5.1grns. WST

230grn. 4.4-4.9grns. WST

I love WST for target/mid-range loads. Accurate, clean burning, and low recoil it's my go-to powder for the common semi-auto pistol rounds.

OK, so Hodgdon lists the range of 4.0-4.3 for a 230LRN
230 GR. LRN Winchester WST .452" 1.200" 4.0 776 14,300 CUP 4.3 812 16,400 CUP

Anyone have a proven mid-range load for WST with a 230 LRN. I got a handful of sample 230 LRN bullets and want to try them out in my new Kimber before commiting to buy a 1K.

fredj338
07-12-2010, 00:48
Anyone have a proven mid-range load for WST with a 230 LRN. I got a handful of sample 230 LRN bullets and want to try them out in my new Kimber before commiting to buy a 1K.
My working load is 4.5gr under a 230grLRN @ 1.255"OAL for about 810-825fps depending on gun. You'll notice the Hogdon loads are really seated deep for some reason.

Boxerglocker
07-12-2010, 01:50
My working load is 4.5gr under a 230grLRN @ 1.255"OAL for about 810-825fps depending on gun. You'll notice the Hogdon loads are really seated deep for some reason.


Yes, I did notice that the OAL's were short in the Hodgon loads.

Thanks Fred.... I had no doubt that I could count on you :supergrin:

at_liberty
07-12-2010, 06:57
Another advantage of using WST is it's always available. Everyone is still stuck on Bullseye and 231.

Yeah, I get that when trying to buy stuff locally and seeing only what others have already picked over. But not just any old powder would do, would it?

Isn't it funny how the cheapest per pound and lowest weight per charge always seems to be the golden choice? Low cost and high performance are difficult to coordinate. Ultimately though, it is whatever is left on the shelf. Like others, I have been left with settling for some shotgun powder, only to find that it works just fine, at least for practice and loads on the light side.

What I want is something I can count on, underwritten by other's experience, and not have to redo my charge weights everytime I find a new jar of powder. If I have established the performance numbers for a round and a gun, I want to stick with them.

I might not be answering the question, but I am addressing my thoughts that were spawned by the issue of using a relatively obscure powder.

I will have to appreciate that some enjoy the testing and experimenting. That's fine too, and we all benefit.

fredj338
07-12-2010, 13:03
Yeah, I get that when trying to buy stuff locally and seeing only what others have already picked over. But not just any old powder would do, would it?

Isn't it funny how the cheapest per pound and lowest weight per charge always seems to be the golden choice? Low cost and high performance are difficult to coordinate. Ultimately though, it is whatever is left on the shelf. Like others, I have been left with settling for some shotgun powder, only to find that it works just fine, at least for practice and loads on the light side.

What I want is something I can count on, underwritten by other's experience, and not have to redo my charge weights everytime I find a new jar of powder. If I have established the performance numbers for a round and a gun, I want to stick with them.

I might not be answering the question, but I am addressing my thoughts that were spawned by the issue of using a relatively obscure powder.

I will have to appreciate that some enjoy the testing and experimenting. That's fine too, and we all benefit.

As many ave learned in this recent "shortage", it's a good idea to be flexible w/ your choice of components. AS you noticed, just about any SG powder can be stuffed into a pistol case & be made to work. Some of the better pistol powders started life as SG powders. WST is one of those. It started life as AA452. It's often available BECAUSE it isn't represented well in loading manuals.