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infiniti0505
02-26-2009, 20:51
I have an itch for the AK-74 due to the cost of the gun itself and the price of ammo. Just wondering if anyone has experience with the 74. Accuracy? Dependability? If you have one, pictures would be nice too!!:whistling: Thanks in Advance!

kiss holsters
02-27-2009, 00:25
go for it i have a polsh tantal i love i can get 2000 rounds for $300 and it is ak it will eat what ever you feed it.
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr214/bigfatbulldog/shootingteam045.jpg

infiniti0505
02-27-2009, 03:25
go for it i have a polsh tantal i love i can get 2000 rounds for $300 and it is ak it will eat what ever you feed it.
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr214/bigfatbulldog/shootingteam045.jpg
Thats a beautiful Tantal! I have seen Tantals browsing the web and they are going between 500 and 600, is that a average price?

kiss holsters
02-27-2009, 16:45
thank you. i paid $530 otd. i just ran about 500 rounds today. i love it

gp35fn
02-27-2009, 16:50
I've been shooting 5.45x39mm since 1998 when I picked up my first Romanian CURII AK, have CURII's, SAR2 and Bulgarian SLR105. The AK74 is easy on the recoil, super accurate, and of course reliable-of all the AK versions out there my favorite.
One of my CURII
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h252/gp35fn/P7070004.jpg
and one of my SLR105
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h252/gp35fn/P3210005.jpg

ContractSoldier
02-27-2009, 19:46
I have an itch for the AK-74 due to the cost of the gun itself and the price of ammo. Just wondering if anyone has experience with the 74. Accuracy? Dependability? If you have one, pictures would be nice too!!:whistling: Thanks in Advance!

Dependability: Same as the AK47

Accuracy: Better then the AK47

Noodles McGee
02-27-2009, 20:19
Love mine.

G31Steve
03-03-2009, 22:17
When the 5.45x39 ammo was dirt cheap I thought about doing it but didn't. Wish I had, with the way things are now I don't want to add another caliber to the safe.Now if I bought an non-7.62 AK it would be a 5.56 NATO gun like the SLR 106f. In fact there are two collecting dust at a local shop but Ive seen a lot of guys on other boards having trouble with the 106 and that keeps me away.

Noodles McGee
03-04-2009, 05:04
What moved me to the 545 instead of the 556 was ammo and mags.

Ammo was 120 a can and mags were about 10bucks each.

I'm still happy with my 74s

bodu
03-07-2009, 21:17
I recently bought an Interarms Tantal from RGuns for $599 and 2160 rounds for $265. It is the best deal out there now IMO. No keyholing like the Century's.

It is a winner. Besides muzzle blast, I swear it is almost like shooting a .22 mag. The muzzle break is very effective and makes it extremely easy to shoot A LOT.

cadillacguns
03-10-2009, 03:35
My 2c, I have shot alot of AK's and Ammo over the years believe me, I still enjoy taking one of my Maadis or Chinese type 56's out for a day at the range, I have Sar-2's and 3's, but years ago at a small show, a guy I know had a Romak MKII on his table with EG brown plastic furniture for $ 230 OTD, I told him to keep his furniture for $30 and took the MKII, home where a neighbor and I added the then easy to find and get from K-Var 22mm FSB and 22mm Comp. I added a Romanian side folder, Bulgarian red plastic bakelite PG and bakeliet upper/lower. Took it to the range with some 5.45x39, and EG 30 rd mags....WOW I was hooked, little or no recoil, very accurate, and only problem was the bakeliet got very hot quick, I substituted and sold the bakelite hg's with SAR Romanian palm swell wood, and love this thing.
You cant go wrong with one, but now, a CUR2 or MKII, are very expensive, if you can find one, the ammo is still cheaper than 7.62, and the mags are an arm and a leg to buy if you find any.

CarlosC
03-10-2009, 12:03
I went cheap with my AK-74. I bought a brand new WASR II back when they were $289. NO problems with it at all.

GLOCK35TX
03-10-2009, 12:39
I almost bought into the 74 - BUT - thought that since all the ammo was imported from one source "Russia",,,, imports can be delayed - by the Russians or the US.
Future conflicts might delay imports - Russians invading Georgia for example
Future polititcs between the US and Russia could delay, stop ammo imports

I decided to go with 5,56mm
5,56 ammo - found all over the US with dozens of bullet loads, weights,...
from dozens of companies... 5,56 is easily reloadable.
5,56 casings are 6mm longer producing 20 more power.

Natural disaster (Katrina type) First responders (LE, National Guard) are bringing what ammo... 5,56 ...not 5,45.
I know just buy alot of it..well that is if you can find it. It sells in the DFW Texas area for $12 for 20 rounds - unreloadable steel cased...
Same price as 5,56 55gr FMJ brass cased ammo

I bought 2 Arsenal 106FR's (BD Series)..(18 mags) both have been 100% - and alot of fun to shoot. Now when I go out shooting the AR's usually get put away early so I can have more ammo for the 106's

Guns and Ammo Test of Arsenal 106FR
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Story_C/Best+Of+The+Avtomat+Breed?packedargs=pagenum%3D2

CarlosC
03-10-2009, 12:57
Even if the ammo somehow got banned from import, I can see US manufacturers gearing up and replacing the supply with US-made 5.45. It would be stupid not to and miss out on an entire market.

I don't necessarily see the 5.45 AKs as my first choice for go-to guns in some sort of Katrina scenario. I think they're more of a novelty. They're different, light shooting, cheap to shoot right now.
I suppose in a disaster I would probably choose - believe it or not - my AMD-65 for deterrence. While the ammo is not compatible with whatever the National Guard or police are using, I don't intend to stay somewhere that I'd be considering resupply or ammo compatibility.

GLOCK35TX
03-10-2009, 14:58
Ammo Manufacturers in the US: - they may not want to gear/tool up for a calliber that is used by a weapon..that might be banned or restricted..in the near future, especially considering all the pointless issues concerning ballistic fingerprinting each round...or the issue with "Green Ammo" - ammo that has no lead. The caliber might not have the long term potential ammo companies are looking for. They are driven by profit.

As for a Katrina type situation - you make due ..where ever you are/with what you have. At the time you may have no choice in the matter of where you are staying, be it in your heavily damaged house..or an empty office building..since your house is gone. Transportation right immediately after the storm is next to impossible.

rossshady120
03-10-2009, 22:17
Am i the only one rolling 5.56?
http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/rossshady120/ak556scope.jpg

folding stock, after market grip, rails, forward grip has a hidden stash, BSA red dot 2" at 25 yards

P.K.
03-11-2009, 00:08
I think a Saiga in .223 would be more practical since that round is made here in the U.S. I'm not knocking the 5.45 by all means. It just that those mags are hard to come by, that's why went with the 7.62x39. Plus you can the 7.62x39 in soft point which make a good self defense round.

rossshady120
03-11-2009, 01:02
I think a Saiga in .223 would be more practical since that round is made here in the U.S. I'm not knocking the 5.45 by all means. It just that those mags are hard to come by, that's why went with the 7.62x39. Plus you can the 7.62x39 in soft point which make a good self defense round.


i hate fake saiga converts there wanna be's

SLR-106F - Stamped receiver, 5.56 NATO caliber, Left-side folding stock, 24mm muzzle brake, bayonet lug, accessory lug, stainless steel heat shield, and 2 stage trigger.

Out of Production
In Stock
MSRP $900.00

got mine 799.99 gun show i saw 3 they were taxing

CarlosC
03-11-2009, 05:47
Am i the only one rolling 5.56?

Aside from 7.62, I also do AKs in 5.56...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/DSC00401.jpg

and 5.45...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/DSC00380.jpg

P.K.
03-13-2009, 18:09
There's nothing wrong with the 74 but think about calibers. Do you already have a x39 AK? or two? Even though ammo is cheap for it, it will be another caliber you'd have to buy, stock up and take more room. If it's your first AK then I would go for it.

scromer
03-13-2009, 20:39
My first and still my favorite AK.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/sdcromer/SAR-2/IMG_0483.jpg

I love 5.45x39

Aceman
03-14-2009, 13:57
I agree - only if you already have a 7.62; And then only for fun. And during Katrina, you'll have no problem picking up a 5.56 weapon if you need/want one. The AR will be fouled with mud/water/whatnot and be jammed. Your AK, however, will be working just fine!

1time
04-18-2009, 02:57
i hate fake saiga converts there wanna be's



I may agree if they were not made in Russia in the same factory the originals were made.

clever_21
04-18-2009, 07:09
not to hijack but...


is anyone switching to 5.45x39 because of cost of ammo? I bought a WASR 10 last year and now thinking that i should have got a AK-74. Much cheaper to feed, at least right now. Anyone have thoughts on this?

Sully:vz-58
04-18-2009, 07:41
not to hijack but...


is anyone switching to 5.45x39 because of cost of ammo? I bought a WASR 10 last year and now thinking that i should have got a AK-74. Much cheaper to feed, at least right now. Anyone have thoughts on this?

I think we have all toyed with the idea. However, I still like the 7.62x39 round better then the 5.45x39. The 5.45x39 is only cheaper right now because there is less demand for it, but when everyone goes out and buys a 74 (which appears to be happening) the demand will rise. The new increase in demand for 5.45x39 will be accompanied by increased prices. I say if you want to get a 74 to shoot the 5.45 round go for it, but I would not buy a 74 just for the cheap ammo.(UNLESS you plan on buying 25K rounds right now)

Aceman
04-18-2009, 08:47
Hey - if you can buy a 74 and 1000 rounds of ammo, or just 1000 rounds of 7.62....why not?

pariah
04-18-2009, 17:24
i hate fake saiga converts there wanna be's

SLR-106F - Stamped receiver, 5.56 NATO caliber, Left-side folding stock, 24mm muzzle brake, bayonet lug, accessory lug, stainless steel heat shield, and 2 stage trigger.

Out of Production
In Stock
MSRP $900.00

got mine 799.99 gun show i saw 3 they were taxing

Funny... I hate bulgarian half assed copies of Russian 100 series guns - Bulgarian copies do NOT have;
-100 series bolt stem for increased seating under high heat and extreme dirt
-4th security rivet and bolt turn
-proper sized receiver hinge pin
-punch welds
-correct one pice chrome plated gas piston
-proper neck case relief
-correct bullet guide
-correct top cover

A proper SAIGA conversion WILL have all of these.

I'll take a converted SAIGA over a Bulgarian any time, assuming the builder did an excellant job with the conversion.

Bulgarians are certainly excellant quality, but let's not put the cart before the horse - lets remember that the same plant that invented, tested, produced and upgraded the weapons for nearly 60 years make the SAIGAS. How could a copy [and not 100% correct copied at that] possibly be better?

gp35fn
04-18-2009, 17:51
As far as 5.56x45mm AK 74 go the old SAR3 is my favorite-esp if you got them in the "old" days. Mine cost about $300.00 each and left a lot of room for "improvement". One with MPi folder (a folder you can fold with the optics bracket engaged-and still use the selector) STG 940 pistol grip (U.S. part) nice hand filling, bird cage flash hider-(the AK 74 break is a heavy long POS-great for "lighting" up the night-esp in 5.56x45mm caliber) and red dot. Small, light, and handy package-not a modified SAIGA, but not as heavy wieght wise, or price wise.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h252/gp35fn/P4160004.jpg

7.62FMJ
05-02-2010, 17:23
Funny... I hate bulgarian half assed copies of Russian 100 series guns - Bulgarian copies do NOT have;
-100 series bolt stem for increased seating under high heat and extreme dirt
-4th security rivet and bolt turn
-proper sized receiver hinge pin
-punch welds
-correct one pice chrome plated gas piston
-proper neck case relief
-correct bullet guide
-correct top cover

A proper SAIGA conversion WILL have all of these.

I'll take a converted SAIGA over a Bulgarian any time, assuming the builder did an excellant job with the conversion.

Bulgarians are certainly excellant quality, but let's not put the cart before the horse - lets remember that the same plant that invented, tested, produced and upgraded the weapons for nearly 60 years make the SAIGAS. How could a copy [and not 100% correct copied at that] possibly be better?



Except you don't have the whole picture. The reason the Arsenal 106FR variant is not an AK101 is due to copyright infringement. Originally the Bulgarians designed a stamped sidefolding 5.56NATO AK known as the AKS74-M1A1. They used an AKM front sight block, AK74 feed geometry, and a 74 style folding stock. They ended up getting into it with the Russians because it was to close to the 100 series. So they dropped their stamped variant and went back to producing milled variants. When I designed the 106FR with Ted Marshall, we used AKM pattern feed geometry, an AKM bolt, AKM bolt carrier, AKM pattern receiver, with 74 pattern rear sight block, 74 pattern gas block, 74 pattern front sight block and a 74 pattern folding stock assembly. We borrowed both the Bulgarian and Russian patterns for the final proto-type. Arsenal became interested in the idea and the new pattern allowed the Bulgarians to produce that variant because it was not a traditional 100 series. The Bulgarians added the polymer folding stock to give it that 100 series look but kept the 74 pattern folding block so again- to not violate the 100 series Russian pattern infringement. You can however buy them with the steel folding stocks and polymer folding stocks as you choose. Suffice to say, the 106 series is in many ways an advancement over the 100 series given it uses stronger AKM pattern bolt, AKM carrier group, and AKM feed geometry.


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mikeyU
05-02-2010, 18:32
Difficult call, I like the 5.45 for light recoil double taps at 50yds+ on target, more accurate, cheaper ammo down side of this is its corrosive (just clean your gun no big deal) ammo is also lighter, Alot of good things. The reason I still like 7.62 is there is more power behind it I could drop a deer and other 4 legged creatures and it could punch through barriers/ obstacles. I have a hard time really thinking what round I prefer more. I like the light recoiling rifle but I like the power, give and take on both sides, get both and decide, I have both and still not sure. Im still going to pick up another rifle in each caliber. I would like to tell you to try the 5.45 but you have to make the decision.

raph84
05-04-2010, 13:10
I am personally trying to decide if I want to do a 5.45 as well, or if I should do a 5.56.

If I go to 5.56 though seems I may as well move to a different weapon system (AR, XCR, etc.)

Glockdude1
05-04-2010, 13:14
I have been thinking about a AK in 5.45.

:cool:

CTfam
05-04-2010, 19:38
I've decided to pass on the round for now. I went with a Saiga .223. Not interested in adding calibers at this point but that ammo is cheap!

Just buy as much ammo/mags as you can afford and you're set.

toshbar
05-04-2010, 19:41
I have been thinking about a AK in 5.45.

:cool:

Do it!!!!

http://media.80stees.com/images/extraLarge/LSTBY005_LG1.jpg

toshbar
05-04-2010, 19:43
I've decided to pass on the round for now. I went with a Saiga .223.
I want you to shoot it out to 500 yards and give me a report so I can compare it to my 5.45.

8-Ball
05-04-2010, 22:36
What's all this stuff about mags being so hard to find? They're everywhere. You can get Promags everywhere for dirt cheap or arsenals for a little bit more. Bulgies from centerfire are in stock and $10 a pop.

I have about 15 arsenals and bulgies, and about 10 of the ugly ass bakelites.


http://www.calssportingarmory.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MGPMAK-AK6

http://www.morningbite.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MBV-2141119&click=17

http://www.libertygunsupply.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=220150202&click=2

40Magnum
05-04-2010, 23:31
I had to make this call a little while back as well. The SGL-31 being produced by Arsenal right now is about the closest thing to a full-out Russian 74 we have seen come by in a while. But in the end, I didnt want to pick up another caliber.

Although I'm sure it will start some back and forth, I don't see the 5.45 giving me anything that the 5.56 doesnt already. It is cheaper obviously and it is a tapered cartridge, which is not a bad thing. But the 5.56 has brass being made for it. None of that exists for the 5.45... even Hornadys new vmax load will use an imported steel case. The 5.56 also offers some pretty outstanding bullet selection if one wants to reload. As far as domestic manufacturers making 5.45 if ammo importation is ever restricted, not sure on that one. Though there are quite a few AK74s running around in the US, the price of 5.45 produced domestically would not be close to what it is now. And then, due to increased cost, it gets to face off with the 5.56 without the huge selling point of cheap milsurp imported ammo. The guys buying up tins of Russian 7N6 are smart as its good stuff. If you have a 5.45, thats pretty much the way to go.

I ended up purchasing a 106FR and it has been one of the most pleasant surprises in any firearm I have ever had. The early 106 rifles did have some issues -- that is gone from the landscape now. Mine has been 100% reliable with everything I have shot through it. Accuracy is very good, better than any AK I have owned. Recoil, as expected, does not exist. Some newer shooters I have introduced to the 106 have commented on that as well.

So now I have a 1 in 7 twist AK rifle that will shoot any 5.56 I push through it. It is light, with a rock-solid side folding stock and represents what I think is a nearly ideal platform for my needs. I have it parked right next to my AR15's that shoot the same ammo. The 5.56 mags are around $24 right now but like all AK mags are built like tanks. They are constructed just like the circle 10 waffle mags we all know and love -- steel reinforced everything, etc. I don't think you can beat that at all. I will be picking up another 106 in the future. Along with a pair of 107's, I'm very happy with the combo.

CTfam
05-05-2010, 19:43
I want you to shoot it out to 500 yards and give me a report so I can compare it to my 5.45.

:rofl: Don't hold your breath. First I have to find a place where I can shoot 500 yards. (My range goes up to 200) Plus I'm not going to be mounting any glass on this rifle.

I'll spray and pray at 50 yards and post the target. :supergrin:

Glockdude1
05-06-2010, 17:05
Do it!!!!

http://media.80stees.com/images/extraLarge/LSTBY005_LG1.jpg

Now all of a sudden, I find myself thinking of this one.......
http://www.arsenalinc.com/sgl31/sgl31plum.jpg

:cool:

platform
05-23-2010, 21:40
Had the same question as the OP
Decided Not to go with 5.45x39.

However if you do not already have an AK -47 style with ammo, then the decision would be different.

several reasons for my decision :
a) a new caliber with a new rifle is around 1000 bucks
(rifle + ammo for 'some time')

b) neither Ak-74 style rifle or the ammo provide any significant difference vs Ak-47, and the ammo is no different
then .223 (except being cheaper now)
So if you want AK style for .223 -- use Saiga



Here are the reason where AK-74 style rifle with ammo would be 'attractive'

a) bull pop design
b) interchangeable caliber rifle
c) reloadeable ammo at the similar price point as what we now have with 5.45x39

since none of the above is happening
In my view there is no reason for additional caliber

CBennett
05-23-2010, 22:26
Am i the only one rolling 5.56?
http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/rossshady120/ak556scope.jpg

folding stock, after market grip, rails, forward grip has a hidden stash, BSA red dot 2" at 25 yards

probably, because I know i cant afford to shoot it anymore for the most part. People keep saying..the cost of ammo is "almost" the same now as 7.62/.223..well to me $50-70 per thousand is quite a BIG difference...thats almost a buy 2 cases get 1 FREE type difference(as with 2 cases you would SAVE $100-130 which is what another full case would cost!!!) big difference between $130(5.45) a thousand, $200 for 7.62X39 for 1000, and almost $300 a thousand(or more) for 5.56..... Ive got a 5.56 varmint gun and thats all I plan to have because of the horrible(to me) ammo prices on it from what they used to be.

Now I assume if the overseas stuff ever did get cut off...that 7.62X39 would also go way up so all 3 would pretty much be the same or possibly the AK calibers would be even MORE??? that would suck lol.

looks like it will be a 2.5 hour trip to a Dunhams or ordering off the net..the guy that handles this type locally(none of the other shops deals in them) wanted $500 for the Century build that Centerfire Systems had at $369 and free shipping it was the Bulgarian 5.45 with black furniture....then when I said is this the one I can get for $369 online free shipping.... he actually went off on me about you go ahead and get it there then I want over $500 for it im trying to make a living/profit then essentially hung up on me lol. so looks like its gonna be internet OR I did see the M&P .22 AR15 look alike for $428 lol..I know its not a centerfire..but it sure looked/felt nice and would be a fun plinker at not a lot more :) .