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cnutco
03-10-2009, 08:08
When hunting with a rifle or pistol... what caliber sidearm do you carry and why?
(Deer hunting mainly, but any will do.)


.22?
.357?
.44?
?

Kyle E. Coyote
03-10-2009, 08:23
I've always gone with 10mm Norma or .45 Colt.

user
03-10-2009, 08:26
East of the Ohio: .357

West of the Mississippi: .44

In between: either.

cnutco
03-10-2009, 08:34
Is there any reason why a person would carry a .22?

I use to carry a .44 Redhawk, but this coming year it will be a 6"brl G20sf.

Gun Shark
03-10-2009, 08:46
I carry a g27 when I am hunting because I mainly hunt wild boar and the first time I went i brought a sig p226 and it took 9 hollow points as well as the first shot from a .223 from a stand and it still need to have its throat cut because it wouldn't die. ever since I started bringing the g27 the most i have ever shot at one time is 4 and it was a giant hog.

jtull7
03-10-2009, 09:13
.41 Mag for me. Always.

pate357
03-10-2009, 09:17
.357 Blackhawk takes care of anything around here. If I was in Grizzly country I'd go with .44 mag for sure.

ajstrider
03-10-2009, 09:23
I don't normally carry a sidearm unless, actually, no, never. I hunt in bear turf sometimes too. I figure it is better to stay alert and don't provoke anything than to count on your sidearm helping you out. Spend more time packing your food appropriately than picking out a sidearm.

ithaca_deerslayer
03-10-2009, 13:58
I outside holster carry a .44mag if I think I might shoot a deer with it. Often, if I carry that I'm not carrying any long-gun. But I might also conceal carry a 9mm.

If I do carry a long-gun, then I just conceal carry my Glock26 9mm, like I normally do, whether hunting or not.

duncan
03-11-2009, 00:56
G29 10mm HP for humans alternating with SWC for bears

OR if can go big, Redhawk in 44 mag

45/70 marlin
03-11-2009, 03:58
I always carry a S&W 41 Magnum.

StockGlock23
03-13-2009, 00:30
Ruger .357 w/ a 4" barrel. I figure it will take care of everything 2 and 4 legged in the N. Indiana woods.

PARRIS G-23
03-15-2009, 01:11
g22 or g23.

Wet Dog
03-16-2009, 11:59
If I have a centerfire rifle with me I carry a 22 (single six) for these guys
http://www.myhostedpics.com/images/Pathfinder/rouseinlarch.jpg
Note: I took a picture rather than a shot at this guy because he was skylined.

If I'm just wood's bumming around or hunting with a 22 rifle, 45 Colt

Deersniper
03-17-2009, 22:53
when i hunt i carry my glock 23 no matter what long-gun i am hunting with

GeorgiaGlockMan
03-17-2009, 22:59
I am partial to my glock model 20..

because 16 rounds of 10 mm is hard to argue with.

up1911fan
03-18-2009, 21:16
Is there any reason why a person would carry a .22?

I use to carry a .44 Redhawk, but this coming year it will be a 6"brl G20sf.
I usually take a Single Six when bird hunting.

bookemdano
03-19-2009, 14:19
I usually hunt with a rifle.... Savage 30.06.
But, i always carry my "BUG" in case "SHTF"......

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q418/bookemdanogto/beargun.jpg

gmalfavon1
03-19-2009, 14:37
:goodpost: NICE!!

Mountain10mm
03-19-2009, 14:52
Almost always a G20 and an extra mag. in a Galco shoulder holster, but occasionally a .44mag S&W Mountain Gun in a cross draw holster. If I have the .44 I also have a few .44special rounds for small game with me.

Broylz
03-19-2009, 19:19
i have carried a .40 with me every time. i figure if something goes down i can give it a humane shot if needed, never needed yet though. and 16 rounds of .40 should get almost any creature off of me if it gets inside the shotgun or rifle. hope i never have to find out.

1-CHANCE
04-14-2009, 20:34
I used to carry my Ruger KP90 .45 until last fall when I bought a Ruger Redhawk .44 mag. First time in the woods with it I took a big doe that ran about 75 yards to the 2 track that I could drive my truck up to and throw it in the back.:supergrin:
Now I have a 21SF to carry:supergrin:

Waters47
04-14-2009, 20:45
Elk hunting in Colorado I carry a G21 with a TLR-2 on a drop leg. 2 mags of Hydra Shoks and 1 or 2 mags of WWB for "signaling and boredom".

Waters47
04-14-2009, 20:46
If I have a centerfire rifle with me I carry a 22 (single six) for these guys
http://www.myhostedpics.com/images/Pathfinder/rouseinlarch.jpg

WTF is that?

shot1
04-15-2009, 07:20
Most of the time I hunt deer from a box stand and I carry my T/C Contender that is pictured. I have killed deer with two different scoped barrels. The one in the picture is a wildcat 6mm-225 Winchester. The old 225 Winchester case necked up to 6mm. It will push a Sierra SSP 80 gr bullet 2650 fps from it's 14 inch barrel. The other barrel that I use for deer is a 10 inch 357 Mag that I shoot 180 gr Hornady XTP pushed by 13.5 grs H-110. Both will smoke a deer and shoot a gnats eye out. I always carry my Kel-Tec 380 in a front pocket holster so I always have it while hunting. If I am out in the woods around home hunting I most of the time carry a Ruger black hawk 5 1/2" barrel 45 Colt with heavy loaded 250 gr Hornady XTP's.

Hackett
04-15-2009, 07:55
WTF is that?

Looks like a female or young pheasant.

We used to get them in our yard in Jersey in the fall.


Personally I never hunt alone. Though we did have a guy with us one year get chased by a bear! Looking back it's hilarious, but at the time we were all wondering if we should put it down, but thankfully we played it safe and he got up a tree. withing a few seconds from all of our commotion the bear took off.

Man Larry was sweatin bullets! We all pick on him for being the one with the hunting rifle and running.

Ahh good ole memories!

Granted things could have gone very differently in which case I think he was too afraid to have drawn and fired.

I'll likely carry a 23 this year.

Hombre0321
04-15-2009, 18:29
I hunt a lot and usually alone, so I like to carry enough gun to get the job done. My carry pistol is a Freedom Arms 454 casull in those cases. If it comes down to a pistol then things must have gone bad in some way. I want the pistol to at least be capable of getting me out of that mess.

The bird in the tree is a Grouse.

RS

vafish
04-16-2009, 10:57
WTF is that?

Ruffed Grouse

As for the OP's question. It depends.

Most of the time I just carry my normal CCW gun, that's because one of my most visited hunting properties is next to a state prison.

Other times my carry gun is the opposite of my hunting gun. Meaning if I'm deer hunting then I'll also carry a .22 LR handgun, if I'm squirrel or bird hunting then the handgun will be much larger, at least a .357 mag.

gatorboy
04-23-2009, 08:10
East of the Ohio: .357

West of the Mississippi: .44

In between: either.

Interesting response. What lives west of the Ohio and east of the Mississippi that would possibly warrant a .44 where east of the Ohio is just .357 territory? In your opinion at least, please. I'm not busting balls here, I just don't know.

I'm happy with a Glock 20 and hot flat points anywhere. Many suggest a 44mag and up in Grizzly territory but I can shoot a Glock 20 faster than my 3" 629 and I've got 16 rds. before I reload or become lunch.

msoprano
04-23-2009, 08:21
Usually just my Glock 19. No real 4 legged predators to speak of.

gifters
04-23-2009, 08:28
.40 s&w

havensal
04-23-2009, 09:54
.40 s&w

Me too. My G35 or G23 is on my hip whenever I am in the field. :wavey:

cnutco
08-09-2009, 19:47
Is there any reason why a person would carry a .22?

I use to carry a .44 Redhawk, but this coming year it will be a 6"brl G20sf.


http://i27.tinypic.com/23wnzoh.jpg

Javelin
08-09-2009, 19:54
G23 is a great platform for hiking/backpacking/or hunting sidearm.

:wavey:

CanyonMan
08-09-2009, 20:06
45LC 300gr cast bullet @ 1200fps. Ruger Vaquero or BH 4 5/8" barrel.



CanyonMan

Jaker
08-09-2009, 20:18
I used to carry a Ruger Blackhawk chambered in 45 colt, but now I carry a my g20 with a 6" barrel and two mags stuffed with double tap ammo.

steve1911
08-10-2009, 00:36
Most of the time i pack 1911 45 ACP, or a 686 4".
if i am hunting with a handgun i'll go with Ruger Super Red hawk 44 mag.

1911club#410

Gun Shark
08-10-2009, 00:37
g27 it's what my dad lets me carry.

chevy01234
08-10-2009, 14:54
either my G23 or G20 depending on what i'm concealing that day. Sometimes will carry my buckmark when I have my rifle though.

blah95993
08-10-2009, 17:19
i use my g22

noway
08-10-2009, 19:07
When i do carry a Sidearm while hunting it's a 10mm stock with golddot or goldensaber. Other times I have a shotgun or 45colt ruger. Either way, I feel safe ;)

Chuck TX
08-14-2009, 01:05
10mm or .45

nickE10mm
08-19-2009, 04:42
I've been using my Dan Wesson Razorback 10mm as my primary deer gun the last couple years so I really don't need another gun. I suppose I could carry another magazine with either target or defense ammo....

When hunting with a rifle my sidearm would probably be my G29.

n0vember
08-19-2009, 05:00
glock22 ..actually works crap on boar as I had to find out the hard way

pitt1011
08-23-2009, 21:55
Ruger GP100 or S&W 686, both with a 4" barrel

Gun Shark
08-23-2009, 21:57
glock22 ..actually works crap on boar as I had to find out the hard way

really the Glock27 I carry works great are you sure you hit it.:supergrin:

n0vember
08-24-2009, 17:46
really the Glock27 I carry works great are you sure you hit it.:supergrin:

pretty sure. 308 to the liver, boar went down, so I waited 20 minutes and approached it. at about 30 meters it got up and charged. 3 to the lung/heart area didn't really impress that sucker and I (still don't know how) managed to place one round right behind the ear of the charging boar, dropping it.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8384/saushopped.jpg

Spydermonkey
08-28-2009, 02:18
If I'm squirrel hunting I have a G27 for any predators with 2 legs. Deer hunting I have a G21 with a KKM 10mm conversion barrel in case I want to use it instead of the shotgun.

gunrunner0
09-08-2009, 18:45
Ruger .357 w/ a 4" barrel. I figure it will take care of everything 2 and 4 legged in the N. Indiana woods.

Ya I'd say. but there is'nt much up here with 4 legs, besides the occassional coyote, that I'm too worried about.

countryrebel
10-01-2009, 13:05
This is a good thread so I am bringing it BTT. I carry a G23 with a 357sig barrel for backup when I am out hunting with a rifle. Someday I might get another G27 or G26 to be a little more out of the way. I have went into thick brush with a G22 after rifle shot deer and the 165fmj works good for dispatching. That is a nice boar, wish we had hogs in our area for hunting. What rounds were you using?

creaky
10-01-2009, 21:28
G22

Carry what you're proficient with. And by proficient, I don't mean standing there shooting a paper plate.

Jonesee
10-01-2009, 21:41
What is in the NE Georgia woods that would require a side arm?

jp_vcu
10-30-2009, 18:17
I usually carry a Glock 22 during muzzleloader season. I don't use it much except for putting the deer out of it's misery once I've already knocked it down.

I've never carried a sidearm any other time that I hunt. If I was running dogs and carrying a rifle I'd consider it because the dogs we run have scared up a few black bears over the past few years, but I figure that my 870 has a lot more stopping power than any .40

DocwithGlock
11-15-2009, 11:42
What is in the NE Georgia woods that would require a side arm?

http://www.google.com/search?q=murder+in+georgia+forest&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1

Broke Hoss
11-15-2009, 15:15
What do I carry? Wow, it just depends on everything from exactly what I'm doing; am I hunting from camp or cabin & just what I'm in the mood for.

Just kicking round near the house I might carry a Colt Woodsman 22 or my S&W mdl 60. Depends on if I'm thinking about rabbits or snakes.

Fishing; usually the mdl 60, with he 1st 2 cylindrs loaded with snake shot.

If I'm doing alot of walking: Glock 31 in a Serpa or a S&W 66, maybe the old S&W mdl 1086 (it's proved good on hogs).

And finally, I got a military looking rig with compass, canteen, knife, binos & AMT Hardballer 45. For when I'm in the Rambo mood.

I have to carry each of them from time to time to convence my wife they have a purpose or she'll make me sell em.

DaveCharlie09
11-15-2009, 15:20
My EDC Glock26.

Jonesee
11-15-2009, 15:37
http://www.google.com/search?q=murder+in+georgia+forest&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1


As best I can tell from the google search you posted you are referring to a hiker in the woods, not a hunter.

As a hunter, you are already carrying a weapon. If someone wants to kill you bad enough in the woods, they aren't going to do it from a vantage point you can see them, much less from a hand gun distance...

Like I've said before, if it gives you a reason to carry one and you think it is cool, go for it.

bamarammin87
11-16-2009, 08:36
Theres black bears in N GA btw. I carry a g20 hunting, but want to get another snubbie sometime 4 snake shot.

gatorboy
11-16-2009, 08:48
As best I can tell from the google search you posted you are referring to a hiker in the woods, not a hunter.

As a hunter, you are already carrying a weapon. If someone wants to kill you bad enough in the woods, they aren't going to do it from a vantage point you can see them, much less from a hand gun distance...

Like I've said before, if it gives you a reason to carry one and you think it is cool, go for it.

There has to be black bear. Probably coyotes. Coyotes that have bred with German Shepard sized dogs can be pretty big. I know coyote attacks on adult humans are rare as are black bear attacks but so are homocides in the woods on hunters. Sadly, it's marijuana farmers and meth lab operators that you need to worry about most these days.

coq
11-16-2009, 08:55
Look at this. (http://www.calccw.com/Forums/sams-saloon/12240-why-alaskins-carry-guns.html)

TangoFoxtrot
12-04-2009, 18:54
.357 mag.

bamarammin87
12-04-2009, 23:00
Maybe .45 colt soon

dnuggett
12-06-2009, 14:56
Look at this. (http://www.calccw.com/Forums/sams-saloon/12240-why-alaskins-carry-guns.html)

Can't look w/o an account. Can you post the gist of it?

G21FAN
12-06-2009, 15:00
Here in Alabama a handgun must be 40 caliber or bigger if hunting for deer.

Jonesee
12-06-2009, 18:18
Here in Alabama a handgun must be 40 caliber or bigger if hunting for deer.


These guys aren't talkng about hunting with it. They are discussing carrying it for protection.

i don't understand it, but to each his own.

vafish
12-07-2009, 09:02
For those wondering why I carry a handgun when deer hunting, even if I'm carrying a rifle.

Last week I was out deer hunting. Carried a bolt action .30-06 and a Ruger Black Hawk in .41 magnum.

Shot a little doe on Friday. My son hit it first as it jumped up in front of him. I missed it twice and connected with my 3rd shot. The hit was way back and high, took out the spine. I didn't think much of it at the time.

Went back out hunting on Saturday, hunted about half the day. As I looked down at my scope in the middle of the day I noticed that the scope had slid about 1/4" in it's mounts and the rear ring was about 1/2 way out of the mount. I think it was the cheap rings the previous owner had used.

So I unloaded the rifle and set it down beside me and drew the .41 mag out of the holster. Sat on the stand continuing my hunt. I didn't get another deer, but if I hadn't had the handgun along my hunt would have been over.

noway
12-07-2009, 17:39
Went back out hunting on Saturday, hunted about half the day. As I looked down at my scope in the middle of the day I noticed that the scope had slid about 1/4" in it's mounts and the rear ring was about 1/2 way out of the mount. I think it was the cheap rings the previous owner had used.



get your self a set of weaver or metal millets and never worry about them ;)

I've alway recheck and recheck rings and such before every season.

vafish
12-07-2009, 22:41
get your self a set of weaver or metal millets and never worry about them ;)

I've alway recheck and recheck rings and such before every season.

Most of my other center fire rifles have the Leopold or Redfield bases where the front one twists in and the rear is held by 2 large screws from the side.

This time I couldn't find the right bases and rings, but Dicks has some that the bases were integral with the rings. I'll give them a try, got them tightened down good with some loctite. They shouldn't move now.

HollowPoint .45
12-09-2009, 22:35
Ruger Blackhawk 4 5/8 barrel, .45 Colt, my handloads (exceed hot .44 mag specs) in a Hunter brand crossdraw holster.

I usually CCW my G27 during archery season.

bandmasterjf
12-13-2009, 13:13
Is there any reason why a person would carry a .22?

I use to carry a .44 Redhawk, but this coming year it will be a 6"brl G20sf.


Squirrels.:cool:

I carry my Glock 19 with hand-loaded 147gr Hornady Hollow points. It's mostly for putting a wounded deer down or for coyotes. I don't really intend on taking a deer with it, but if the right shot opportunity came up (inside 15 yards) I might try it.

AK2AZ
12-21-2009, 12:51
G29 10mm for all carry duties. Shotgun is the primary for everything.

vafish
12-21-2009, 14:10
get your self a set of weaver or metal millets and never worry about them ;)

I've alway recheck and recheck rings and such before every season.

Noway,

Just an update,

New rings are working well. I shot a nice large doe on Friday.

bamarammin87
12-21-2009, 14:17
.45 colt now :)

noway
12-21-2009, 15:03
Noway,

Just an update,

New rings are working well. I shot a nice large doe on Friday.

that's great, too bad I have no luck with any deer doe or buck.

Jerseycitysteve
01-03-2010, 19:12
I feel that a semi-auto shotgun is plenty of weapon for anything I might find in Virginia.

Also, with our shotgun only rules here, I wonder if carrying a handgun would violate fish and game laws. Also no weapons may be carried when retrieving a dog from private lands.

ChuteTheMall
01-03-2010, 19:42
I feel that a semi-auto shotgun is plenty of weapon for anything I might find in Virginia.

Also, with our shotgun only rules here, I wonder if carrying a handgun would violate fish and game laws. Also no weapons may be carried when retrieving a dog from private lands.


I don't know where you got that "dog from private lands" stuff; unless it's specifically prohibited, in which case the same prohibition would apply whether you are retrieving your dog, your child, or your Frisbee:

Where Unlawful to Carry
{snip}
18.2-308 (O.): Private property when prohibited by the owner of the property, or where posted as prohibited.
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_ResidentConcealed.shtm


Just because you are hunting does not mean that you give up your second amendment rights in Virginia. At least not yet.

If it's legal, it's still legal while you happen to be hunting.

A Permit is Not Necessary in the Following Circumstances:
{snip}
6.Any person actually engaged in lawful hunting, as authorized by the Board of Game and Inland Fisheries, under inclement weather conditions necessitating temporary protection of his firearm from those conditions. Possession of a handgun while engaged in lawful hunting shall not be construed as hunting with a handgun if the person hunting is carrying a valid concealed handgun permit;.... http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_ResidentConcealed.shtm

ChuteTheMall
01-03-2010, 19:49
What is in the NE Georgia woods that would require a side arm?

http://i47.tinypic.com/6fwgtt.jpghttp://i50.tinypic.com/jj6zq8.jpg

:alex:

bamarammin87
01-03-2010, 19:59
http://i47.tinypic.com/6fwgtt.jpghttp://i50.tinypic.com/jj6zq8.jpg

:alex:

:rofl::rofl: you'll be fine if you have an acoustic guitar to duel with tho..

EL COLONEL
01-03-2010, 20:26
G-31 357 sig

vafish
01-04-2010, 08:16
I don't know where you got that "dog from private lands" stuff; ...

From the DGIF web site:

http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/hunting/regulations/general.asp

Hunting With Dogs

* Dogs may be used to pursue wild birds and animals during hunting seasons where not prohibited.
* When the chase begins on other lands, fox hunters and coon hunters may follow their dogs on prohibited lands, and hunters of all other game, when the chase begins on other lands, may go upon prohibited lands to retrieve their dogs, but may not carry firearms or archery tackle on their persons or hunt any game while thereon. The use of vehicles to retrieve dogs on prohibited lands shall be allowed only with the permission of the landowner or his agent. Any person who goes on prohibited lands to retrieve his dogs must identify himself when requested by the landowner or his agent.
* Unlawful to use dogs when hunting any species with archery tackle during any archery season.
* Unlawful to chase with dogs or hunt with dogs or to attempt to chase or hunt with dogs any wild animal from a baited site or to train dogs on any wild animal from a baited site. Furthermore, it shall be unlawful to place, distribute or maintain bait or salt for any wild animal for the purpose of chasing with dogs, hunting with dogs, or the training of dogs. A baited site will be considered to be baited for 30 days following the complete removal of all such bait or salt.
* It is unlawful to intentionally cripple or otherwise harm any game animal for the intent of continuing a hunt, or chase, or for the purpose of training dogs. Upon treeing, baying, or otherwise containing an animal in a manner that offers the animal no avenue of escape, the person or the hunting party shall either harvest the animal if within a legal take season and by using lawful methods of take or terminate the chase by retrieving the dogs and allowing the animal freedom to escape for the remainder of the same calendar day.
* It is unlawful to dislodge an animal from a tree for the intent of continuing a hunt, or chase, or for the purpose of training dogs.


Interesting contradiction in DGIF regs. On one hand it says if you have a concealed handgun permit you can carry a handgun while hunting, on the other hand it says while retrieving dogs on prohibited property you can't carry any firearms. At the point you go onto prohibited land to retrieve your dog you are no longer lawfully hunting.

Sounds like a good one for the lawyers and courts to argue.

Jerseycitysteve
01-04-2010, 14:40
From the DGIF web site:

http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/hunting/regulations/general.asp



Interesting contradiction in DGIF regs. On one hand it says if you have a concealed handgun permit you can carry a handgun while hunting, on the other hand it says while retrieving dogs on prohibited property you can't carry any firearms. At the point you go onto prohibited land to retrieve your dog you are no longer lawfully hunting.

Sounds like a good one for the lawyers and courts to argue.

Thanks for answering Chute's question.

For dog hunters, keeping out of court is a good thing. The guys who turn out the hounds rarely seem to carry a shotgun or weapon on their person anyway. What's in the truck is another story, however.

HollowPoint .45
01-09-2010, 22:01
Ruger Blackhawk 4 5/8 barrel, .45 Colt, my handloads (exceed hot .44 mag specs) in a Hunter brand crossdraw holster.

I usually CCW my G27 during archery season.

Starting to transition to a 4 inch RedHawk in .44 mag.

M1a65
01-20-2010, 00:40
Hey, How'd you get my cousins photo's playing banjo??? Actually the guy who played the banjo is alive and well working as a cook at a "Waffle House" in Franklin Ga (so I've heard from my hunting buddys).
On topic thou, I handgun hunt with a Ruger Super Blackhawk with a 7 7/8" barrel in .44 magnum with 300 gr. flat points. Works well on hogs or deer. Ga requires you to handgun hunt with a pistol with a 6" or longer barrel that produces 100ft lbs of energy at 100 yds. Not sure if a 10mm would fit that rule. Wouldn't want to test a hand gun cartridge on a large bear unless I really needed to! I'd like to test a G21 with a 6" conversion barrel in 400 Corbon on a hog thou! My long gun is a M1a with .308 168gr. soft points in a 5 rd. mag, a 20 rd mag loaded with hollow points is in my BDU pocket for coyotes or other 2 legged critters.

vafish
01-20-2010, 08:08
Hey, How'd you get my cousins photo's playing banjo??? Actually the guy who played the banjo is alive and well working as a cook at a "Waffle House" in Franklin Ga (so I've heard from my hunting buddys).
.....

That guy probably looks like half the Waffle House cooks in GA.

CanyonMan
01-20-2010, 08:23
Hey, How'd you get my cousins photo's playing banjo??? Actually the guy who played the banjo is alive and well working as a cook at a "Waffle House" in Franklin Ga (so I've heard from my hunting buddys).
On topic thou, I handgun hunt with a Ruger Super Blackhawk with a 7 7/8" barrel in .44 magnum with 300 gr. flat points. Works well on hogs or deer. Ga requires you to handgun hunt with a pistol with a 6" or longer barrel that produces 100ft lbs of energy at 100 yds. Not sure if a 10mm would fit that rule. Wouldn't want to test a hand gun cartridge on a large bear unless I really needed to! I'd like to test a G21 with a 6" conversion barrel in 400 Corbon on a hog thou! My long gun is a M1a with .308 168gr. soft points in a 5 rd. mag, a 20 rd mag loaded with hollow points is in my BDU pocket for coyotes or other 2 legged critters.



A 180 XTP out of a standard 5" barrel in a G20 10mm @ 1250fps at 100 yds has approx: 400 ft lbs energy.

The 44mag 300gr XTP from A Ruger 7 1/2" barrel SBH pushed to 1250fps @ 100 yds has approx: 780 ft. lbs. energy.

I load for, own and shoot both...


Yes, the 10mm at this vel and a tad higher will kill deer at 100yds if you can. I really prefer my trusty 44mag/44sp/45LC though . ;)




Good hunting



CanyonMan

ChaneyD
01-20-2010, 08:29
I hunt with my T/C pistol in 7mm Mag. NOTHING escapes this brute!!

M1a65
01-21-2010, 00:38
Hmmm, thanks for the 10mm info. Saddly a G20 wouldn't fit the bill in Ga. unless someone makes a 6" barrel and made a load that produces 500 ft lbs of energy at 100 yds. I'm quite sure the 10mm would work fine for either deer or hog at pistol ranges, just having to deal with bloody state issued rules.

ChaneyD
01-21-2010, 07:25
Hmmm, thanks for the 10mm info. Saddly a G20 wouldn't fit the bill in Ga. unless someone makes a 6" barrel and made a load that produces 500 ft lbs of energy at 100 yds. I'm quite sure the 10mm would work fine for either deer or hog at pistol ranges, just having to deal with bloody state issued rules.

Why is that? I've hunted in Georgia and the requirement for handgun is ANY caliber .22 or larger that is CENTERFIRE.

CanyonMan
01-21-2010, 08:49
That guy probably looks like half the Waffle House cooks in GA.



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Man that is hilarious. Whew!



CM

vafish
01-21-2010, 15:16
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Man that is hilarious. Whew!



CM

There's a reason they keep them boys in the back and working the night shift.

CanyonMan
01-21-2010, 19:23
Hmmm, thanks for the 10mm info. Saddly a G20 wouldn't fit the bill in Ga. unless someone makes a 6" barrel and made a load that produces 500 ft lbs of energy at 100 yds. I'm quite sure the 10mm would work fine for either deer or hog at pistol ranges, just having to deal with bloody state issued rules.

Well if you reload, or even if you don't. You may look into some of the more stout factory offerings for the 10mm like Buffalo Bore.

Here is a link to a Buffalo Bore load for the 10mm at 1350fps and 782 advertised ME. If this muzzle energy is correct, you should get your 500ft lbs with a 6" barrel at 100yds.

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=114



CanyonMan

CanyonMan
01-21-2010, 19:28
There's a reason they keep them boys in the back and working the night shift.


:rofl:


Bro. I pray the waffle house cook's union is not watchin in on your post.... :wow: LOL.....

This is really funny stuff 'for me at least'. I got realitives all over Tenn: Some of the hunting we do there when I go is waaaay the heck back into stuff that looks kinda like this. I always think of that deliverance movie and carry a side arm when I go ! ;)

PS.. I will not be eatin waffles out that way again ! :shocked:


Adios amigo



CanyonMan

M1a65
01-21-2010, 20:16
The .22 or larger centerfire pertains to RIFLES... Handguners must use the above 6" barrel with a cartridge that has 500 ft lbs of force @ 100 yds. Don't get caught hunting big game with a .32 or even a .357 mag that doesn't fit these requirements. You're not even allowed to carry anything other even for personal self defence or to put an animal down after taking a poor shot. They also require a 3 round plug in a shot gun and a 5 round mag max in a semi auto rifle. Not sure if there is a cartridge limit on handguns. My Super Blackhawk holds 6 and when previously stopped by game wardens they didn't blink an eye seeing it in my shoulder holster loaded. Ga. game wardens don't have much of a sende of humor... Hope this helps. ~F

Jerseycitysteve
01-21-2010, 20:27
The .22 or larger centerfire pertains to RIFLES... Handguners must use the above 6" barrel with a cartridge that has 500 ft lbs of force @ 100 yds. Don't get caught hunting big game with a .32 or even a .357 mag that doesn't fit these requirements. You're not even allowed to carry anything other even for personal self defence or to put an animal down after taking a poor shot. They also require a 3 round plug in a shot gun and a 5 round mag max in a semi auto rifle. Not sure if there is a cartridge limit on handguns. My Super Blackhawk holds 6 and when previously stopped by game wardens they didn't blink an eye seeing it in my shoulder holster loaded. Ga. game wardens don't have much of a sende of humor... Hope this helps. ~F

http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/hunting/regulations/general.asp
# Pistols, revolvers and muzzleloading pistols may be used for small game except where prohibited by local ordinances.
# Pistols and revolvers are lawful for deer and bear hunting only in those counties where hunting deer and bear with rifles is lawful. Cartridges used must be .23 caliber or larger and have a manufacturer's rating of 350 foot-pounds muzzle energy or more.

Interesting, eh? 350 foot-pounds of muzzle energy isn't that great considering even 9mm ammunition.

BTW I was also pleased Virginia dropped the plugged shotgun rule except on migratory fowl due to federal regulation.

ChaneyD
01-21-2010, 21:34
The .22 or larger centerfire pertains to RIFLES... Handguners must use the above 6" barrel with a cartridge that has 500 ft lbs of force @ 100 yds. Don't get caught hunting big game with a .32 or even a .357 mag that doesn't fit these requirements. You're not even allowed to carry anything other even for personal self defence or to put an animal down after taking a poor shot. They also require a 3 round plug in a shot gun and a 5 round mag max in a semi auto rifle. Not sure if there is a cartridge limit on handguns. My Super Blackhawk holds 6 and when previously stopped by game wardens they didn't blink an eye seeing it in my shoulder holster loaded. Ga. game wardens don't have much of a sende of humor... Hope this helps. ~F

Strange GA considers pigs and deer as 'BIG GAME'. In Michigan we call them 'SMALL' game.

ChaneyD
01-21-2010, 21:45
Hmmm, thanks for the 10mm info. Saddly a G20 wouldn't fit the bill in Ga. unless someone makes a 6" barrel and made a load that produces 500 ft lbs of energy at 100 yds. I'm quite sure the 10mm would work fine for either deer or hog at pistol ranges, just having to deal with bloody state issued rules.

I just came off of quite a few hunting forums in Georgia and not one person there mentioned anything about caliber restrictions for handguns. In fact, there were plenty of mentions of .357 mags in use. Most suggested .45 Colt. Are you sure of your facts on this? If most pig hunters in GA are using .45 Colt, I'm quite sure they're not getting anything close to 500 ft lbs. Not even at the muzzle. Something's not right about this.

:whistling:

M1a65
01-21-2010, 23:37
Try checking Georgia outdoor news or get a copy of Ga hunting regs. I'm not just pulling this out of my ass... Silly as it sounds. I didn't hunt last year but those were the rules for 08. We have more than a good share of azzhats who would hunt deer with a .22 Jennings. And yes a 150-175 lb deer is average here in Ga, we don't have too many die off due to the cold so the weak keep on breeding. They do have a very good natural preditor thou, car bumpers. Seems they haven't figured how to elude them yet. To me big game in Ga. is the rather LARGE animals I see at the BBQ buffet bars! Small game is rabbits & squirrels... Don't know how they classify alligators but some people ( not I) hunt them here too.

M1a65
01-21-2010, 23:40
Oh, And yes you can use .357 as long as the barrel is 6" and produces 500 ft lbs of energy at 100 yds. How would the game wardens check that? Your guess is as good as mine but safe to say if your model 19 Smith has a 2 1/2" barrel you aint seeing those numbers at 100 yds. Georgia arms produces a load specifically for .357 handgun hunting meeting the above numbers. I'd imagine the Ga hog hunters you mentioned were using a .45 LC due to the fact that it can be loaded hotter than a .44 magnum providing you are using that load in a Super Blackhawk. That is the only off the shelf .45 LC that I am aware of that can handle the higher preasures (I may be wrong as I don't own/shoot .45 LC). Nost folks I know use a .44 mag (cheaper more readly available ammo)

M1a65
01-21-2010, 23:44
ChaneyD, check with the other GTers in the Georgia section. I'm sure they are far more knowelageable then me (and far better spellers) on hand gunning as I am an ex New Yorker and have only lived here and hunted in Ga for the last 19 years. I'm at work at the moment (building jet engines for Delta Airlines) but when I get a minute I'll look it up and post it as most things today are best read in black and white and verifiable rather than take a strangers word.

M1a65
01-22-2010, 01:06
I checked on Georgia Outdoor news and Georgia outdoors sites and I stand corrected as the laws have changed. Since there was no certain way the Ft lb rating of ammo could be checked on site the state law makers decided any pistol calibar .22 and larger with expanding ammo is useable on Deer and Ferral Hogs in Ga. True hunters I'm sure are dismayed at the news as I read a posting in GON that some AH was hunting deer with his 9mm. It's all good though as he was using hollow points and no doubt a expert shot... I'm sure we'll have a bumper crop of fat coyotes this year from wounded/lost game. All in all I believe any handgun .357 and larger with a 6" barrel (for better sight radious as well as increased terminal energy) will do the job if you do yours. JMHO but what do I know! Listed below is the hard info in black and white which is good to know since this year I plan on taking a deer with my chrome Raven .25 (with hollow points of course!). Now LEGAL!!!


Found at:
GeorgiaOutdoors.com
Hunting Regulations 2010
Special Deer Regulations
Resident& Non-Resident
Big Game License
Deer Hunting
Feral Hog Hunting


Firearms & Equipment
Deer, Bear & Firearms
Special Firearm Restrictions
Legal Firearms and Archery Equipment Deer, Bear and Hog Firearms:

Modern Rifles and Handguns: .22-cal. or larger centerfire with expanding bullets.

Shotguns: 20-gauge or larger loaded with slugs or buckshot. Buckshot is not allowed on WMAs, unless otherwise specified.

Muzzleloaders: .44-cal. or larger, or muzzleloading shotguns 20 gauge or larger. Scopes are legal.

Primitive Weapons: Legal weapons during primitive weapons season include crossbows, bow and arrow, and muzzleloading firearms. Scope are legal.

Jr.
02-02-2010, 06:49
Springfield XD-40 5" bbl, with 3 mags of 200gr hardcast lead in a galco shoulder rig. Before this it was a G19.

CanyonMan
02-02-2010, 20:02
Springfield XD-40 5" bbl, with 3 mags of 200gr hardcast lead in a galco shoulder rig. Before this it was a G19.


Man ! JR, your loaded for bear, (so to speak) ! LOL
Any man that carries the hardcast bullet is alright with me. Also like some of the Galco shoulder rigs. I think I have about 4/5 of them for my dirrent In town carry guns.


Good shooting



CanyonMan

Alden2
02-02-2010, 20:06
Springfield XD-40 5" bbl, with 3 mags of 200gr hardcast lead in a galco shoulder rig. Before this it was a G19.

That's the same pistol I usually use when hog hunting.

The other is my Ruger Vaquero single action .357 magnum.

They both do the job.

Alden2
02-02-2010, 20:15
pretty sure. 308 to the liver, boar went down, so I waited 20 minutes and approached it. at about 30 meters it got up and charged. 3 to the lung/heart area didn't really impress that sucker and I (still don't know how) managed to place one round right behind the ear of the charging boar, dropping it.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8384/saushopped.jpg

Wild boar have a 'shield' - extra thick and tough skin that protects their heart lung area. That's why we seldom shoot them with buckshot down here. It just pisses them off, or they run away never to be seen again.

You have to hit them in the head. The .40 works fine for that, but it's the minimum I would use. .357 mag works good too. From the side, right in or right behind the ear is best, but straight on, right between the eyes.

I've had big ones drop like a sack of potatoes.

n0vember
02-03-2010, 06:29
Wild boar have a 'shield' - extra thick and tough skin that protects their heart lung area. That's why we seldom shoot them with buckshot down here. It just pisses them off, or they run away never to be seen again.

They do have a shield when they are pretty old and usually only in their winterskin/hide/pelt/whatever that is called in English. During the summer, there's just a few Millimeters of fat bewteen skin and muscle.

I agree that going for the lung/heart area is not likely to produce immediate drops but then with charging animals, you don't really aim but go for what is easiest to hit

noway
02-03-2010, 16:44
They do have a shield when they are pretty old and usually only in their winterskin/hide/pelt/whatever that is called in English. During the summer, there's just a few Millimeters of fat bewteen skin and muscle.

I agree that going for the lung/heart area is not likely to produce immediate drops but then with charging animals, you don't really aim but go for what is easiest to hit

A shield isn't something that grows and comes and go.

A fat sow killed about this time last year ( this one had one of the thinnest shield I've see in a long time under 3/4"-1")

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/kenfelix/hog22207.jpg

single 12ga 00buckshot that just got to meat

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/kenfelix/hog22208.jpg

shot with hevishot 35yards away, one shot drop on the spot but did take about 1 full min to expire.

A rifle would probably been way much better and a big solid flat slug, even tho I lost 2 hogs with just that, 2 years ago. One hog needed over 3 rounds of 45colt to stop it, all placed in the lung/heart area.

Bottomline, these things aren't deer or rabbits.

n0vember
02-03-2010, 18:04
A shield isn't something that grows and comes and go.

A fat sow killed about this time last year ( this one had one of the thinnest shield I've see in a long time under 3/4"-1")

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/kenfelix/hog22207.jpg

single 12ga 00buckshot that just got to meat

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/kenfelix/hog22208.jpg

shot with hevishot 35yards away, one shot drop on the spot but did take about 1 full min to expire.

A rifle would probably been way much better and a big solid flat slug, even tho I lost 2 hogs with just that, 2 years ago. One hog needed over 3 rounds of 45colt to stop it, all placed in the lung/heart area.

Bottomline, these things aren't deer or rabbits.

Ok, when German hunters speak fo a boar's shield, what they mean is not what you guys mean, it is basically crusted fur in the shoulder area, protecting the boar. A friend of mine shot a boar a few years back that had 2 slugs stuck in this shield. what you mean is the stuff I called "fat" earlier...

anyway, agree on your bottom line.

noway
02-04-2010, 00:23
Ok, when German hunters speak fo a boar's shield, what they mean is not what you guys mean, it is basically crusted fur in the shoulder area, protecting the boar. A friend of mine shot a boar a few years back that had 2 slugs stuck in this shield. what you mean is the stuff I called "fat" earlier...

anyway, agree on your bottom line.

That's interesting on a definition of shield, everywhere else it's harden tissue or scar tissue,more prominent on male boars. Here's a very thick shield and it ain't no crusted fur

http://dipnvat.com/upload/shield1.jpg

I would guess looking at that, it's way over 1.5" maybe even over 2".


I shot a hog about 4 years back, biggest one I ever killed and the fur when trimmed and flesh scraped, ran just about 24lbs. It sits on my coffee table today as a tan fur top. It's shield was similar to above and ran 1" to 2", with it thicken on the top of shoulder and just forward.

So any bullets from a handgun or shotgun shooting buckshot, must get thru that, before it even thinks about getting to meat or a organ. That's why it's bad juju to use a service handgun for hunting a hog. I gave up that many years ago, unless I'm hunting with a bay or catch dog, and the hog is pinned up or taken carefully from the aft sections.

jjsobba
02-04-2010, 16:29
I was told to shoot a hog right behind the ear or in the front shoulders because of the shield. I know that they don't leave a blood trail. The bullet hole closes up because of all the fat.

n0vember
02-04-2010, 19:18
I know that they don't leave a blood trail. The bullet hole closes up because of all the fat.

Depends on shot placement and calibre used...

Boar, 60kilos, shot with 308 170grain softpoint, made it roughly 150meters into the corn:
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2001/dscf0906r.jpg

entry wound:
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/2892/dsc01895e.jpg

exit wound, you can see, how the exit wound seems to "close" due to the fat
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9903/dsc01897r.jpg

Alden2
02-05-2010, 17:04
They can be damn hard to kill, especially the big ones, because of all that fat protecting the vitals.

I recommend a .243 or larger rifle, a 12 gauge slug, or a .40 or larger for a close shot to the head. Head shots are always best anyway, no matter what gun you are using.

Most of mine have been taken with a 30-30 in the noggin, but I killed one a couple of years ago with a .243 in the lung/heart area. She went about 100 feet and then dropped dead, but she was only about 100 lbs.

This one took a 170 gr 30-30 between the eyes.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii112/50rob/redhog3.jpg

NickF87
02-09-2010, 18:05
I'd like to hunt pig some day... it seems like it would be a bit of fun if you know what you're doing.

redhawk500
02-10-2010, 08:06
I hunt small game with a .22 LR pistol and big game with a .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .45 ACP/Auto Rim or .45 Colt (for Ruger or TC only loads). I have every intention to use my Glock semi-auto pistols in .40 S&W (G35) or 10mm Auto (G20) in the future. The bullet is really the thing, in my mind. I killed one big hog with a .45 Colt "medium" load, 255 cast SWC at 1040 fps (18.5 gr 2400, WLP primer). Two forward shoulder / heart-lung shots, one from the right and one from the left side. I was concerned the pig would run or charge, so wanted to break the shoulder, rather than concentrate on a over the heart shot to penetrate the major vessels and both lungs, which is my usual deer preference. The pig was down on the ground and didn't run but I did fire a third shot to the heart to hasten the demise of the pig. A couple of years ago a shot a big sow with a .44 Magnum Ruger Redhawk 5 1/2" bbl using Winchester 240 grain JHP intended for deer, judging by the picture on the box of a deer. I messed up the first shot on the pig while it was running, a bad decision, and had to shoot the pig a total of 8 times, each shot hitting the pig in the hams and various angle shots. None really anchored the pig, lacking good penetration. I did kill one mountain lion with a .45 Colt, down in some rocks, with 300 grain XTP bullets in .45 Colt Ruger Redhawk 5 1/2" bbl. My guide finished the cat with convention MagTek 230 grain JHP at about 4 feet range. My shots went from the right shoulder to left hip area, fully expanding and stopping, at least in one case, at the hip. His shots penetrated both lungs and major vessels from side to side. The cat quickly died at that point. I was scared to climb up on top of the rocks where the cat was, so my angle wasn't right. My guide was concerned the dogs might be injured if the cat exited his cover and ran out into the dogs. Not my greatest moment as a hunter. The second corollary to good bullets is proper placement, which might argue in favor of the 10mm as opposed to a revolver with six shots if the first shots aren't effective, keep shooting! When in camp at rifle hunts, I carry a pistol or revolver. On my last two Alaskan hunts, one for brown bear and one for moose, I carried a handgun. On the first trip for brown bear I carried a .44 Magnum S&W Mountain Gun with 4 inch barrel with 320 gr. Garret hard cast bullets, in town I carried 210 grain Winchester Silvertips. On the moose hunt I carried a Glock 20 with 200 grain hard cast Double Tap bullets. In town after before and after the hunt I carried Georgia Arms 10mm 200 grain JHPs, Gold Dots, but I could be wrong as to bullet. Ammunition is like software on a computer, not every program works in every situation best.

Jr.
02-12-2010, 06:14
Man ! JR, your loaded for bear, (so to speak) ! LOL
Any man that carries the hardcast bullet is alright with me. Also like some of the Galco shoulder rigs. I think I have about 4/5 of them for my dirrent In town carry guns.


Good shooting



CanyonMan


Yep, no bears in my usual stomping grounds but that 200gr. hard cast will drop anything in my area. For bear I like to bump it up to 540gr hardcast in 45/70.

CanyonMan
02-12-2010, 16:01
Yep, no bears in my usual stomping grounds but that 200gr. hard cast will drop anything in my area. For bear I like to bump it up to 540gr hardcast in 45/70.


Yep, all my 45 LC's 'on the ranch carry', and in other places as well, mostly all get 300gr 21 bhn hardcast. Same in the 44mag/special. 300gr HC. Been shooting and hand loading for these for over 40 years. I surely do love the HC bullets in the big bores. The 45/70 lever gets 405gr HC.


Good shooting.



CanyonMan

JBJ16
02-17-2010, 13:13
Is there any reason why a person would carry a .22?

I use to carry a .44 Redhawk, but this coming year it will be a 6"brl G20sf.

A suppressed .22 is an excellent tool for those who have chose to hunt "the ultimate" prey. :shocked:

Alden2
02-26-2010, 17:29
A suppressed .22 is an excellent tool for those who have chose to hunt "the ultimate" prey. :shocked:

You mean Bigfoot, right?

nickE10mm
02-26-2010, 21:18
You mean Bigfoot, right?

Lol now that's funny

JBJ16
02-27-2010, 13:56
You mean Bigfoot, right?

try Humans :shocked: