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Poodle
04-01-2009, 04:39
Got myself a second hand Sig Sauer P226. Tried it out at the Armscor Indoor range today. 100 rds of reloaded FMJ ammo, no jams or failures. Didn't even gauged the bullets (next time I'll gauge it even if I'm using the Sig).

Very accurate. Shooting a little to the left, and it's probably on account of the front sight being a little off to the right (I have to have it adjusted).

I'm still having a problem with the DA first shot and the follow up. Shooting low with the first DA shot and high with the follow up SA shot. I tried slowing it down and I was hitting the A zone.

It's a little hefty compared with the G19 but I think it's a great gun.

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z83/PoodleTofi/P4010414.jpg

lagpok
04-01-2009, 07:05
have a West German "U-boat" P226 myself and the accuracy is indeed remarkable.also have a problem with the DA but am very happy with it overall:supergrin:
congratulations on your acquisition!!!

vega
04-01-2009, 13:37
Ilang rounds yung isang magazine?
Pwede mo ba kuha kahit PTT yung CZ para ma-test din sa Armscor?

Poodle
04-01-2009, 16:50
Ilang rounds yung isang magazine?
Pwede mo ba kuha kahit PTT yung CZ para ma-test din sa Armscor?

Kuha ko din PTT ang CZ pag malapit na kayo dating. Kelangan na ngayon ang endorsement ni Major Tulliao sa PTT. 20 rounder ang isang magazine. sinubukan kong punuin yung 20 rounder, walang jam at misfeed.

Wp.22
04-01-2009, 18:01
OT Father P. kita sa Villa San Miguel two sundays ago 9am mass.

isuzu
04-01-2009, 20:33
DA/SA pistols seem to shoot to the lower left. My wife's Taurus PT 92 also does that.

BTW, that's a nice pistol. I'm looking to try a Norinco copy.

Poodle
04-01-2009, 23:56
OT Father P. kita sa Villa San Miguel two sundays ago 9am mass.

Ah ok. Dun ka din ba nagsi-simba? Nandun minsan si Nandy Pacheco.

Wp.22
04-02-2009, 00:16
Ah ok. Dun ka din ba nagsi-simba? Nandun minsan si Nandy Pacheco.

yup malapit lang kasi plus may grounds para takbuhan ng anak ko pag bored na sa mass hehehe

atmarcella
04-02-2009, 00:27
sig is what they call the mercedes benz of handguns!

Poodle
04-02-2009, 07:26
sig is what they call the mercedes benz of handguns!

Then I'm really lucky. Got it for just P18T. Brand new is selling for P68T. It's a really nice gun.

Also got a CZ75 for a friend for only P11T.

TTPower
04-02-2009, 07:53
Then I'm really lucky. Got it for just P18T. Brand new is selling for P68T. It's a really nice gun.

Also got a CZ75 for a friend for only P11T.

dude, y:crying:ou're really lucky when it comes to buying 2nd hand guns! maybe you can introduce me to ur friends :)

9MX
04-02-2009, 09:27
Ah ok. Dun ka din ba nagsi-simba? Nandun minsan si Nandy Pacheco.

kamag anak ni WP si Nandy.

Minsan yayain natin si Nandy P. magshooting sa Armscor:rofl:

Poodle
04-02-2009, 16:21
kamag anak ni WP si Nandy.

Minsan yayain natin si Nandy P. magshooting sa Armscor:rofl:

Ganun ba? Alam kaya ni Nandy na shooter si WP?

nrmcolt
04-02-2009, 21:08
Then I'm really lucky. Got it for just P18T..

That's a steal, father!


Pardon the pun:supergrin:

ess45
04-02-2009, 23:00
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z83/PoodleTofi/P4010414.jpg

There is a Mecgar magazine that can hold 17 rounds, its reliable and it does not extend beyond the magwell. But its stainless or nickel including the magpad so I just changed the magpad with the black magpad of Sig.

Wp.22
04-03-2009, 02:21
kamag anak ni WP si Nandy.

Minsan yayain natin si Nandy P. magshooting sa Armscor:rofl:

hindi ko yan kamag anak yung asawa nya kapatid ng asawa ng uncle ko.

atmarcella
04-03-2009, 23:48
lupet ng presyo! highway robbery!

Poodle
04-04-2009, 01:34
There is a Mecgar magazine that can hold 17 rounds, its reliable and it does not extend beyond the magwell. But its stainless or nickel including the magpad so I just changed the magpad with the black magpad of Sig.

Saan po available ang Mecgar?

lagpok
04-04-2009, 03:48
Saan po available ang Mecgar?

bought a couple for 1,500 each from Twin Pines Bacolod December '08 and they still had at least 3 left...couldn't find any in Manila then

Poodle
04-04-2009, 05:31
bought a couple for 1,500 each from Twin Pines Bacolod December '08 and they still had at least 3 left...couldn't find any in Manila then

I was in Bacolod just last week. Sayang. Will ask a friend kung puede niya ako bili dun. Would you happen to have the number of Twin Pines Bacolod?

lagpok
04-04-2009, 19:11
I was in Bacolod just last week. Sayang. Will ask a friend kung puede niya ako bili dun. Would you happen to have the number of Twin Pines Bacolod?

kindly try this one sir...(34)432-0805

hope they still have some in stock for you

Poodle
04-05-2009, 18:00
kindly try this one sir...(34)432-0805

hope they still have some in stock for you

Thank you po sir. Sana meron pa. Puede kaya mag-transport ng magazine sa plane?

lagpok
04-05-2009, 20:02
Thank you po sir. Sana meron pa. Puede kaya mag-transport ng magazine sa plane?

yup...did it more than once but all were in my checked in luggage

Poodle
04-08-2009, 06:53
Was in the range today, tried out the P226. Great gun. Accurate, no jams whatsoever. No failures. Very reliable. Used reloaded ammo. Kahit buntis kinakain. Pero di ko na ulit pakakainin ng buntis na buntis, baka magka-case failure. Had problems with the lead ammo - keyholes. small head diameter. Ok with teflon and very very accurate with FMJ. A really nice gun.

Poodle
04-08-2009, 06:55
Here are pics of the CZ75. Haven't tried it out yet.

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z83/PoodleTofi/P4080415.jpg

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z83/PoodleTofi/P4080416.jpg

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z83/PoodleTofi/P4080417.jpg

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z83/PoodleTofi/P4080418.jpg

If you will notice, the base pad of one mag (the one that is not inserted) is covered with epoxy resin. Might be damaged, second hand kasi.

Eye Cutter
04-08-2009, 08:59
father poodle, ganyan yung una ko na cz-85, rounded trigger guard and spur hammer, ambi safety and slide release lang difference. very nice pistol for ipsc! that's a steal at 11k!

vega
04-08-2009, 11:00
Magkano ba bala ng 9mm ngayon diyan?

Poodle
04-08-2009, 22:42
Magkano ba bala ng 9mm ngayon diyan?

Sa true weight P7 yata ang teflon reloads. Sa Armscor P8.40 ang FMJ.

Poodle
04-08-2009, 22:54
father poodle, ganyan yung una ko na cz-85, rounded trigger guard and spur hammer, ambi safety and slide release lang difference. very nice pistol for ipsc! that's a steal at 11k!

Mura nga talaga. Me Taurus na Beretta look alike na natira pero di na yata binebenta. Ganun din price.

bmag
04-09-2009, 00:07
Father Poodle,
I bought a 15 rdr Norc mag for my NP22 last year and had to sand it a bit to smoothen the fit.
Then I tried the mag on my friend's P226DAK and was surprised how it fit better.:wow:
@P850 sa Trust Trade!

Poodle
04-09-2009, 06:17
Father Poodle,
I bought a 15 rdr Norc mag for my NP22 last year and had to sand it a bit to smoothen the fit.
Then I tried the mag on my friend's P226DAK and was surprised how it fit better.:wow:
@P850 sa Trust Trade!

Wow, thanks. Did you sand it to fit the P226 or the NP22. Dalin ko sa Trust Trade Makati Cinema Square ang P226, subukan ko.

9MX
04-09-2009, 09:39
Magkano ba bala ng 9mm ngayon diyan?

Armscor FMJ around 17/round ata. Imported ones are far more expensive

vega
04-09-2009, 09:40
Father Poodle,
I bought a 15 rdr Norc mag for my NP22 last year and had to sand it a bit to smoothen the fit.
Then I tried the mag on my friend's P226DAK and was surprised how it fit better.:wow:
@P850 sa Trust Trade!
Did you try shooting it with the Norc mag?

vega
04-09-2009, 09:44
Armscor FMJ around 17/round ata. Imported ones are far more expensive
Langya, konti lang pala ang difference dito. Nasa $20.99 isang box of 50 rds.

ess45
04-09-2009, 13:18
Wow, thanks. Did you sand it to fit the P226 or the NP22. Dalin ko sa Trust Trade Makati Cinema Square ang P226, subukan ko.

I have 2 Mecgar 17 rounds magazine (slightly used because I shoot 45 most of the time) that I can sell you for 850 each (if I can find them when I go there for vacation this year). I also have a Mecgar adjustable sight(front and rear) for P226 selling for 1,500 never been used (paid $40 many years ago).

PM me your contact number if you're interested.

bmag
04-09-2009, 17:40
Wow, thanks. Did you sand it to fit the P226 or the NP22. Dalin ko sa Trust Trade Makati Cinema Square ang P226, subukan ko.
Fixed the Norc mag to fit the NP22. Even pressed it a bit on the vise for more positive release. Pero sa German P226 wala siyang flaw, smooth release.

Did you try shooting it with the Norc mag?
So my friend bought 2 of the Norc mags from TT for his P226DAK last year, I
have not heard any complaint so far.

Poodle
04-09-2009, 18:26
I have 2 Mecgar 17 rounds magazine (slightly used because I shoot 45 most of the time) that I can sell you for 850 each (if I can find them when I go there for vacation this year). I also have a Mecgar adjustable sight(front and rear) for P226 selling for 1,500 never been used (paid $40 many years ago).

PM me your contact number if you're interested.

Sent PM.

9MX
04-10-2009, 10:11
Langya, konti lang pala ang difference dito. Nasa $20.99 isang box of 50 rds.

fmj yan?

vega
04-10-2009, 11:19
fmj yan?
Yes. Reloaded rounds of Armscor is about $11.99

isuzu
04-10-2009, 14:17
Langya, konti lang pala ang difference dito. Nasa $20.99 isang box of 50 rds.

How much does American Eagle 124 gr 9mm cost over there?

vega
04-10-2009, 15:52
How much does American Eagle 124 gr 9mm cost over there?

If you can find it.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=166203

Poodle
04-11-2009, 04:30
Yes. Reloaded rounds of Armscor is about $11.99

If you have 9 mm cases, FMJ 9 mm reloads at Armscor cost P8.40 as of last WednesdayApril 8, 2009.

Poodle
04-11-2009, 05:04
Went to the Range in Bulacan, Bulacan today with the Sig. Seems to be more accurate with FMJ rounds. Getting used to the DA-SA twin taps, putting all rounds in the A-zone at 5 to 7 meters. Great sights. No jams. Very stable with the second shot follow through in double taps with very tight groupings. Very happy with this gun. I love my Glocks though, but the Sig eats everything the Glocks can't.:supergrin:

Will measure the G19, Wolf and P226 chambers. Seems that the P226 chamber is more tolerant.

isuzu
04-11-2009, 18:40
If you can find it.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=166203

Thanks for the link, Vega. Last price check for 124 gr 9mm was CDN$18.99 for the Remington and Winchester.

Might settle for the Canadian BDX reloads if the prices continue to go up.

vega
04-11-2009, 22:48
Thanks for the link, Vega. Last price check for 124 gr 9mm was CDN$18.99 for the Remington and Winchester.

Might settle for the Canadian BDX reloads if the prices continue to go up.
You're welcome. You might want to consider reloading. I'm glad I bought about 60k+ assorted bullets long time ago. My problem now is primer, it's hard to come by. I'm down to my last 15,000. I've see people sell primers as high as $65 per thousand and there were suckers who fell for it. I'll just wait it out.

May Lechon Cebu ba sa Bohol?

Poodle
04-12-2009, 01:27
You're welcome. You might want to consider reloading. I'm glad I bought about 60k+ assorted bullets long time ago. My problem now is primer, it's hard to come by. I'm down to my last 15,000. I've see people sell primers as high as $65 per thousand and there were suckers who fell for it. I'll just wait it out.

May Lechon Cebu ba sa Bohol?

Siguro, malapit na sa Cebu yun.

Clusterbomb
04-13-2009, 23:38
sig is what they call the mercedes benz of handguns!

Yup, in terms of design, craftsmanship and price, it's really up there with another German brand, HK.

I never bought one though- I think it's too big a pistol for a just a 9mm. And the 45ACP P220 is even bulkier- for a single stack. But that's just me.

BTW, I know of at least three people who bought P226s in the 90s and they all complain that the barrel rusts easily. Specifically the rear, rectangular chamber part that you see in the ejection port. I wonder if they have remedied this with their latest black (Nitron?) finish.

atmarcella
04-14-2009, 00:27
I'm down to my last 15,000

and you're already worried!.... if i had that much primers i'd be smiling from ear to ear... sa bagay i live in the third world, happiness talaga is relative hehehe

Allegra
04-14-2009, 02:40
Yup, in terms of design, craftsmanship and price, it's really up there with another German brand, HK.

I never bought one though- I think it's too big a pistol for a just a 9mm. And the 45ACP P220 is even bulkier- for a single stack. But that's just me.

BTW, I know of at least three people who bought P226s in the 90s and they all complain that the barrel rusts easily. Specifically the rear, rectangular chamber part that you see in the ejection port. I wonder if they have remedied this with their latest black (Nitron?) finish.

Mercedes ba ang SIG?
I think it's more like a limousine
It handles like one too

flyboy 1
04-14-2009, 13:39
Oo nga. I wonder why the U.S. Secret Service, U.S. Air Marshalls, U.S. Navy SEALS, U.S. Homeland Security, British SAS, and a lot of other prestigious military and law enforcement organizations chose and continue to use SIGs. They should have chosen from the dozens of other makes instead. But heck, what do THOSE guys know. Must be a stupid bunch :whistling:

Allegra
04-14-2009, 17:16
Oo nga. I wonder why the U.S. Secret Service, U.S. Air Marshalls, U.S. Navy SEALS, U.S. Homeland Security, British SAS, and a lot of other prestigious military and law enforcement organizations chose and continue to use SIGs. They should have chosen from the dozens of other makes instead. But heck, what do THOSE guys know. Must be a stupid bunch :whistling:


lowest bidder?

Clusterbomb
04-14-2009, 20:33
Oo nga. I wonder why the U.S. Secret Service, U.S. Air Marshalls, U.S. Navy SEALS, U.S. Homeland Security, British SAS, and a lot of other prestigious military and law enforcement organizations chose and continue to use SIGs. They should have chosen from the dozens of other makes instead. But heck, what do THOSE guys know. Must be a stupid bunch :whistling:

The SAS has dumped the Browning Hi-Power?

flyboy 1
04-15-2009, 20:00
lowest bidder?

Quite the opposite. These are the organizations that HAVE money. The reason others can't get them is because they can't afford the premium pricing that goes with a premium brand. :innocent:

flyboy 1
04-15-2009, 20:01
The SAS has dumped the Browning Hi-Power?

For quite some time already.

atmarcella
04-15-2009, 23:47
mahal ang sig... kaso lang "mahal" is relative... bwisit talaga to ang law ni einstein! lagi nalang relativity hehehe

rsaki
04-16-2009, 01:00
Mercedes ba ang SIG?
I think it's more like a limousine
It handles like one too

i agree, if you compared the sig to other handguns.......parang benz at ferrari... that is why.....i love my sig very much.:wow:

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr230/rsaki/IMG_0259.jpg

vega
04-16-2009, 22:34
flyboy 1 - May flight ka ba from LAX to MNL on May 8, PR 102?

Poodle
04-17-2009, 01:40
I think that Glocks cost lower than Sigs. Anyway, performance-wise the Sig P226 outperformed the G19 as regards reliability (no jams) and probably accuracy. Might not be fair considering that the G19 is a compact. Mas guapo nga lang ang G19 at mas ok carry, very comfortable. And the G19 will do the job. Pero sa putok parang Sig ako.

Poodle
04-17-2009, 01:42
i agree, if you compared the sig to other handguns.......parang benz at ferrari... that is why.....i love my sig very much.:wow:

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr230/rsaki/IMG_0259.jpg

Nice. :cool:

Allegra
04-17-2009, 09:44
Quite the opposite. These are the organizations that HAVE money. The reason others can't get them is because they can't afford the premium pricing that goes with a premium brand. :innocent:


So hindi lowest bidder ang sig jan sa agencies na yan?
Assuming other manufacturers meet the requirements also

flyboy 1
04-17-2009, 21:48
flyboy 1 - May flight ka ba from LAX to MNL on May 8, PR 102?

Kindly check your PM. :supergrin:

flyboy 1
04-17-2009, 21:55
So hindi lowest bidder ang sig jan sa agencies na yan?
Assuming other manufacturers meet the requirements also

:innocent:

Poodle
04-19-2009, 05:06
Tried out the G20 of a friend today. Very accurate but a little snappy. Got used to the G21, probably the sweetest shooting .45 around.

Poodle
04-19-2009, 05:24
Got me a Norc NP22 mag for the P226. Works fine. A brief history of the Sigs and the US security agencies.

The P226 was designed for entry into the XM9 Service Pistol Trials, which were held by the US Army in 1984 on behalf of the US armed forces to find a replacement for the M1911A1. Only the Beretta 92F and the SIG P226 satisfactorily completed the trials. According to a GAO report, Beretta was awarded the M9 contract for the 92F due to better durability during endurance testing and a lower total package price. During the endurance testing none of the 92Fs broke, while allegedly two of the P226s cracked frames between six and seven thousand rounds. The minimum endurance requirement was five thousand rounds, so the P226s were considered acceptable. The P226 cost less per pistol than the 92F, but SIG's package price with magazines and spare parts was higher than Beretta's. The Navy SEALs, however, chose to adopt the P226 later after a reputation of failures with some issued Beretta M9s.


The Navy SEALs use the Sig P226. They must know their stuff.

Allegra
04-19-2009, 07:44
May gumagamit ba ng SIG sa IPSC? bakit nga ba wala
Dami namumrublema sa production guns kanina sa battle of the gun clubs
Puro problema mga baril nila
Pwede kaya ang p226?
I had a p228 dati for awhile. Masarap icarry. Di masarap iputok.

Poodle
04-19-2009, 07:54
Each to his own.

Django
04-19-2009, 08:17
May gumagamit ba ng SIG sa IPSC? bakit nga ba wala
I had a p228 dati for awhile. Masarap icarry. Di masarap iputok.

Agree. Seems the P226/P228 bore axis is quite high and competition shooters find it hard to index.

9MX
04-19-2009, 18:10
May gumagamit ba ng SIG sa IPSC? bakit nga ba wala


meron, si moti arceo. pero dati yun, i think he changed to the tanfoglio stock II early last year

isuzu
04-19-2009, 18:29
The Norinco version has had very good reviews. The earlier versions had problems of frames cracking by the frame rails. The subsequent versions have reinforced frames.

Got a chance to be in the Palace when Pres. Bush visited the Philippines. The Secret Service personnel were armed with P226s.

Once dressed up, the Norinco versions look good.

Clusterbomb
04-19-2009, 21:34
The Norinco version has had very good reviews. The earlier versions had problems of frames cracking by the frame rails. The subsequent versions have reinforced frames.

Got a chance to be in the Palace when Pres. Bush visited the Philippines. The Secret Service personnel were armed with P226s.

Once dressed up, the Norinco versions look good.

How can you distinguish the newer versions? Last time I handled one was about two years ago during the gunshow. I was disappointed that frame-to-slide fit was not good. The slide rattled in the frame rails when I shook the gun.

atmarcella
04-20-2009, 01:16
Tried out the G20 of a friend today. Very accurate but a little snappy. Got used to the G21, probably the sweetest shooting .45 around.

10mm to diba? this is a powerful handgun, pde na pang grizzly.

Poodle
04-20-2009, 07:47
10mm to diba? this is a powerful handgun, pde na pang grizzly.

Oops, sorry. I meant G30. Was able to shoot a 10 mm at some time. Really powerful. Haba ng cartridge, haba din ng apoy na lumalabas sa barrel. Lampas yata one meter. Pang grizzly nga siguro.

vega
04-20-2009, 08:50
Oops, sorry. I meant G30. Was able to shoot a 10 mm at some time. Really powerful. Haba ng cartridge, haba din ng apoy na lumalabas sa barrel. Lampas yata one meter. Pang grizzly nga siguro.

Who's G30? Leo?

Allegra
04-20-2009, 09:41
meron, si moti arceo. pero dati yun, i think he changed to the tanfoglio stock II early last year

2nd sya sa battle if i'm not mistaken
Pero dun sa question ko , curious nga ako sa p226 ( o kaya jericho ) kung pwede
Parang lahat na yata ng tao sa battle may problema sa prod gun nila
the sig does have the shortest DA travel
Problema lang yung alloy frame baka hindi tumagal

Yung mga much hyped ...aherm brands mejo sininok sa range namin

Poodle
04-20-2009, 16:15
Who's G30? Leo?

Yes, nakasama ko Leo nung isang araw sa Range. Baka pumunta din kami sa Armscor Marikina. Sked tayo ng putok sa Marikina pag dating mo. Tanungin natin ibang BOGS, baka puede din sila. Yung PTT mo baka puede kahit sa Baguio.

Poodle
04-20-2009, 16:29
The Norinco version has had very good reviews. The earlier versions had problems of frames cracking by the frame rails. The subsequent versions have reinforced frames.

Got a chance to be in the Palace when Pres. Bush visited the Philippines. The Secret Service personnel were armed with P226s.

Once dressed up, the Norinco versions look good.

Yes, the US Secret Service uses the P229. They know their stuff. :cool:

Due to the importance of the Secret Service's protective function, the personnel of the agency receive the latest weapons and training. The agents of the Protective Operations Division receive the latest military technology (See: the Presidential Protection Assistance Act of 1976, codified in the notes of Title 18, Section 3056 of the U.S. Code Annotated). Due to specific legislation and directives, the United States military must fully comply with requests for assistance with providing protection for the president and all other people under protection, providing equipment, and even military personnel at no cost to the Secret Service.

The Uniformed Division has three branches: the White House Branch, Foreign Missions, and the Naval Observatory Branch. Together they provide protection for the following: The President and Vice President of the United States and their immediate families, presidential candidates, the White House Complex, the Vice President’s Residence, the Main Treasury Department building and its annex facility, and foreign diplomatic missions in the Washington DC metropolitan area.

Special Agents and Uniformed Division Officers carry the SIG Sauer P229 pistol chambered for the .357 SIG cartridge. In addition to their primary weapon, they are also trained on several close-combat weapons such as the Remington Model 870 shotgun, the M4 Carbine, the IMI Uzi, FN P90, and the HK MP5 (including the MP5KA4) submachine guns among others. They are also issued radios and surveillance kits in order to maintain communication with a central command post and other personnel.

Because of its relatively high velocity for a handgun round, the .357 SIG has a very flat trajectory, extending the effective range. However, it does not quite reach the performance of the .357 Magnum with bullets heavier than 125 grains (8.1 g), with the same usable barrel lengths, the typical commercial loadings using 125-grain (8.1 g) bullets, fired from a four-inch (102 mm) barrel; a typical commercial .357 Magnum load propels a 125-grain (8.1 g) bullet to 1,450 ft/s (440 m/s), while a typical .357 SIG load propels the same bullet to 1,350 ft/s (410 m/s), with only a usable 2.85-inch (72 mm) barrel. Specialty loads, such as Double Tap Ammunition, are able to propel a 125-grain (8.1 g) bullet to 1,450 ft/s (440 m/s) from a four-inch (102 mm) barrel. Offsetting this general slight disadvantage in performance is the fact that semi-automatic pistols tend to carry considerably more ammunition than revolvers.

Also like the Tokarev, the .357 SIG works well when shooting through barriers. There has been a documented case in Texas where a police officer's .45 round did not penetrate a tractor-trailer's shell, but a .357 SIG round from a backup officer's gun did, killing the suspect inside. The round's ability to penetrate barriers is the main reason for its adoption by law enforcement agencies. However, other documented police shootings have confirmed the round's ability to not over penetrate the body, even though ballistic gelatin shows 16 inches (410 mm) of penetration through heavy clothing (125 grain Speer Gold Dot). The Virginia State Police have had several documented officer-related shootings involving the .357 Sig, and in every case, not only were the felons stopped instantly with one shot (except one who was shot several times while attempting to murder an officer), the bullet either didn't exit the felon, or was stopped in the clothing upon exiting, proving that even at such high velocities, the round when used with adequate expanding hollowpoints will not over penetrate soft tissue. The same department has also reported that attacking dogs have been stopped dead in their tracks by a single shot, whereas the former subsonic 147 grain 9 mm duty rounds would require multiple shots to incapacitate the animals.


Wow, nag-second pala si Moti Arceo with the P226. Galing ng shooter at ng Sig siempre.

isuzu
04-20-2009, 19:18
How can you distinguish the newer versions? Last time I handled one was about two years ago during the gunshow. I was disappointed that frame-to-slide fit was not good. The slide rattled in the frame rails when I shook the gun.

I might have seen it in this forum (but I'm not sure):

http://pinoy1911.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=norc22&field=ordertime&order=desc&page=1

The newer versions have a reinforcement on the frame that is similar to a Sig in .40 S & W.

atmarcella
04-20-2009, 23:14
you can get the same ballistics from 135grain 40sw, 1350 from 4inch barrel.

Poodle
04-21-2009, 08:27
you can get the same ballistics from 135grain 40sw, 1350 from 4inch barrel.

Oo nga daw.

Poodle
04-23-2009, 06:47
Does anybody have a Norinco NP22 pistol here? Ang mura lang pala nun, P17T.