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akula
04-19-2009, 05:18
It was one lazy afternoon, last week. A friend and also a GT member decided to do some terminal ballistic characteristics of a couple of 5.56mm rounds -- handloaded 60gr Hornady JHP and the venerable 55gr WCC'7x M193 ammo.

We set-up five 1-gallon containers, backed with three cut-trunks of banana, plus a final backstop of sack of range soil.

60gr Hornady JHP
3 frames of Video Grab :
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/VG_60grHrndyJHP_556_01.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/VG_60grHrndyJHP_556_02.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/VG_60grHrndyJHP_556_03.jpg

akula
04-19-2009, 05:21
Bullet entrance was a typical .22(3) inch punch, but the exit from the first container was explosive!
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/IMG_1368_60grHrndyJHP_556.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/IMG_1369_60grHrndyJHP_556.jpg

The second container stopped all the fragments. The strength of a 5.56 bullet is on its fragmentation characteristics.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/IMG_1371_60grHrndyJHP_556.jpg

The second container is at least 6-inches from the first bullet entrance site.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/IMG_1374_60grHrndyJHP_556.jpg

akula
04-19-2009, 05:22
A second test using first a 1-Gal container, then a banana trunk at the back:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/IMG_1391_60grHrndyJHP_556.jpg

Take note of the expansion inside the banana trunk.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/IMG_1393_60grHrndyJHP_556.jpg

akula
04-19-2009, 05:29
55gr WCC7x M193 Test

WCC exhibit a similar characteristic with the 60gr JHP.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/IMG_1378_55grWccFMJ_556.jpg

A shot of the larger fragment of the bullet.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/IMG_1383_55grWccFMJ_556.jpg


A second test using directly a banana trunk in a longitudinal section. Container cap was used as bullet entry and sighting aid.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/IMG_1399_55grWccFMJ_556.jpg

Take note of the 'liquifaction' after the 4th inch from point the bullet entry.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/IMG_1404_55grWccFMJ_556.jpg

Eye Cutter
04-19-2009, 06:27
johnny: gaano kayo kalayo from the target?

sandman_sy
04-19-2009, 06:46
Nicely Done john :P

akula
04-19-2009, 07:51
johnny: gaano kayo kalayo from the target?

Doc_I : 25 yards.

isuzu
04-19-2009, 18:21
That's why Gen. Biazon opposed replacing the M193 to the 62 gr. ammo. According to him, aside from the unnecessary expenses, he believed in the effectiveness of the M193.

I've seen the effects of the M193 on civilians and soldiers when the detachment in Brgy. Bato in Sagay, Negros Occidental was overrun by the rebels. Not a pretty sight.

CatsMeow
04-19-2009, 19:31
What barrel length?

flash1919
04-19-2009, 22:40
It was one lazy afternoon, last week. A friend and also a GT member decided to do some terminal ballistic characteristics of a couple of 5.56mm rounds -- handloaded 60gr Hornady JHP and the venerable 55gr WCC'7x M193 ammo.

We set-up five 1-gallon containers, backed with three cut-trunks of banana, plus a final backstop of sack of range soil.

60gr Hornady JHP
3 frames of Video Grab :
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/VG_60grHrndyJHP_556_01.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/VG_60grHrndyJHP_556_02.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/VG_60grHrndyJHP_556_03.jpg
next pwede request, m855/ss109 naman na round para ma compare.

flash1919
04-19-2009, 22:46
double post

akula
04-20-2009, 02:01
What barrel length?

14.5 inch BM-M4 1/9 barrel. Sighted in by via Millet DMS-1 1-4x.

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next pwede request, m855/ss109 naman na round para ma compare.

No promises...

Sandman, maybe we can even test the 77grainer :) -- That would be the mk262 equivalent.

atmarcella
04-20-2009, 02:19
that is a very nice way to spend a lazy afternoon, galeng!

CatsMeow
04-20-2009, 02:34
14.5 inch BM-M4 1/9 barrel. Sighted in by via Millet DMS-1 1-4x.

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Knock, knock -- shooter is yet to post on this thread...
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No promises...

Sandman, maybe we can even test the 77grainer :) -- That would be the mk262 equivalent.

Ah ok. BM - Millet DMS-1 user here too:supergrin:, only that mine is a 20-incher. Let's see more tests, this time with the M855, as the M4 - M855 combo has been maligned a lot since Somalia (read Blackhawk Down the book). Also if you have some 40-grain varmint rounds try them as well.

The hero of the Miami FBI shootout, Edmund Mireles, suffered a mangled arm from being hit with a round from a Mini-14, forcing him to terminate both perps with his S&W one-handed.

There's a rather gruesome thread over at timawa.net showing the actual damage from an M16 round.

What a way to spend a lazy afternoon. A lifestyle I had to give up. I haven't fired one round since I got transferred here to Manila, hopefully my rifle will join me next month. I have to settle for lazy drives in the country.... or be obsessed with the Futurama animated series (I got the complete set).

foxyyy
04-20-2009, 02:37
ahem..ahem..

as you can see in the pics...the shooter is an excellent markman...hahaha! at 25yards!

more testing wil be done..initially i wanted it to be at 50yds...besides the fact that we had our rifles zeroed IBSZ (50/200yds point of aim)..i feel 50yds is just the right minimum distance if ever you are in a gunfight with long firearms.

as requested, SS109 & the Hornady 77gr hollowpoint will be next

much better if somebody can donate a cow, carabao for the experiment...hehe!

CatsMeow
04-20-2009, 02:49
ahem..ahem..

as you can see in the pics...the shooter is an excellent markman...hahaha! at 25yards!

more testing wil be done..initially i wanted it to be at 50yds...besides the fact that we had our rifles zeroed IBSZ (50/200yds point of aim)..i feel 50yds is just the right minimum distance if ever you are in a gunfight with long firearms.

as requested, SS109 & the Hornady 77gr hollowpoint will be next

much better if somebody can donate a cow, carabao for the experiment...hehe!

Thought so. Only one DMS-1 user I know from that part of the woods.:supergrin:

akula
04-20-2009, 03:32
ahem..ahem..
much better if somebody can donate a cow, carabao for the experiment...hehe!

MAO! Kadto nalang mga layaw nga kanding...

Here's a vidgrab of foxyyy with his tool during the affair.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/ballistics/VG_foxyyy.jpg

Fox... post a clearer pic of your bow...

...Hope that Baloyot is done with the 77gr.

sandman_sy
04-20-2009, 07:02
77gr Sierra :P im ready and willing :p got my 20 rounds ready now guys.. with different loads.. aheheheh..

Lets try a .308 din :P heheheh..

isuzu
04-20-2009, 20:22
Ah ok. BM - Millet DMS-1 user here too:supergrin:, only that mine is a 20-incher. Let's see more tests, this time with the M855, as the M4 - M855 combo has been maligned a lot since Somalia (read Blackhawk Down the book). Also if you have some 40-grain varmint rounds try them as well.

The hero of the Miami FBI shootout, Edmund Mireles, suffered a mangled arm from being hit with a round from a Mini-14, forcing him to terminate both perps with his S&W one-handed.

There's a rather gruesome thread over at timawa.net showing the actual damage from an M16 round.

What a way to spend a lazy afternoon. A lifestyle I had to give up. I haven't fired one round since I got transferred here to Manila, hopefully my rifle will join me next month. I have to settle for lazy drives in the country.... or be obsessed with the Futurama animated series (I got the complete set).

Found the link, and it sure doesn't look good. :)

CatsMeow
04-20-2009, 20:46
Catsmeow,

Do you have the link of the timawa.net thread? Thanks!

Yes, it was posted by BoG cebuboy. However, let me echo his caveat at the beginning of the thread:

VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED. DISTURBING PHOTOGRAPHS INSIDE.

http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=17111.0

The good news is the fella will live, but he will be limping the rest of his life.

(and please don't get me started on the other thread in the same forum, there's just so much gore I can take hehehe)

CatsMeow
04-20-2009, 21:55
Say, akula / foxyyy, if you have an AK around there could you also do some testing, so as to have a comparison between 5.56mm and 7.62x39? No question about .308, I watched Doc PF blow apart a water jug with his scoped bolt-action.

TIA:wavey:

mansky
04-21-2009, 01:10
I have seen the same effect from a specially reloaded 9mm at 7meters. The target/bullet stop was a 4gallon water filled PET bottle placed upside down. After being hit, the cap was nowhere to be found and the bottom of the bottle (supposedly the thickest part) was ripped as though a large amount of pressure was released. The side where the bullet exited was completely torn from the neck up to the bottom of the bottle...

atmarcella
04-22-2009, 03:58
guys do you remember nung 80's there was this betamax tape that circulated showing the effectiveness of the glaser safety slug and their test media was water containers, hype diba?

i dont think water containers are very good test media for bullets.

cebuboy
04-22-2009, 06:55
Water jugs is as economical we can get, anybody here have access to ballistic gelatin? Will the ones in the grocery do?

As posted on the other forum, there is just no substitute for real meat.

CatsMeow
04-22-2009, 19:52
Water jugs is as economical we can get, anybody here have access to ballistic gelatin? Will the ones in the grocery do?

As posted on the other forum, there is just no substitute for real meat.

Grocery gelatin? I'd rather EAT it, than shoot it.:supergrin: Still, the ones I saw at the grocery are Knox brand, any relation perhaps to Kind & Knox ballistic gelatin?

The idea with the water jugs is that our bodies are made of water for the most part.

isuzu
04-22-2009, 20:05
The idea with the water jugs is that our bodies are made of water for the most part.

Yes, that's the closest thing.

akula
07-23-2009, 01:27
STEEL vs COPPER JACKETED LEAD

We were looking for steel plates that we cut-out as IPSC plates for our upcoming level-1 sanctioned match. We got four small sheets from a junk shop which were literally tested by ear (sound produced when banged) to see which were hardened steel ('armored'). We had to make actual field test on them.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/long/512_IMG_2645.jpg
WCC round went right thru this half-inch thick subject -- conclusion > mild steel.


The two images below are shots on a 1/4" hardened steel plate.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/long/512_IMG_2649.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/long/512_IMG_2652.jpg
SS109 steel insert is no match for the plate, though splatter created was larger compared with regular 55gr M193 (WCC in this case). .308/7.62 round did a discernable dint on this thinner plate.


This one is a half-inch hardened steel plate.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/akula_88/long/512_IMG_2654.jpg

atmarcella
07-23-2009, 02:29
nice. very well done. 2 thumbs up.