So I installed the Siderlock... [Archive] - Glock Talk

PDA

View Full Version : So I installed the Siderlock...


dudester
04-28-2009, 08:37
I have had it on my G26 for a couple of weeks now and thought I would share some of my thoughts...

First let me say that I had mixed feelings about this doo-hickey even after I installed it. My mind was pretty much set on "the safety is between your ears" and "don't pull the trigger" etc. but my lovely wife asked me to try this "for her" to give her peace of mind when we are both handling the gun or for when I pack the gun in an unorthodox way (i.e. without a holster). She is very used to guns with safeties and so am I even though we both use and love the Glock and the M&P without the external safeties. I don't know if that makes sense but anyway, I decided to give the thing a try and figured if it sucked or I felt that it would hinder me in any way during training I would can it faster than a week old newspaper. So without further ado, here we go:

Installation -

The instructions that come with the kit are kind of lame and leave out some important details. Most importantly - you WILL damage or destroy your original trigger removing it from the trigger bar. It can be gotten around if you go slow and drill a tiny hole in the other side of the trigger to get the pin out but again, there is nothing in the instructions about this. After you get the gun apart and remove the original trigger from the bar you have to re-insert the trigger bar assembly and then attach the new trigger to the old trigger bar. It's a little trickier than it looks but once you get everything lined up it's a snap. Note that the new trigger body itslef is slightly larger than the stock trigger so if you ever need to remove the trigger assembly after installing the Siderlock you will have to detach the trigger first. This can be a minor or a major annoyance depending on how often you need to remove your trigger assembly. For me it is not a problem. I also put a couple of dots of super glue on the ends of the pin holes to make sure the pins dont work loose. I don't know if this is necessary but it makes me feel better and can be easily undone if I choose to do so later. All in all it took me about 30 minutes from start to finish. I am no gunsmith and this is my first Glock so some of that time was figuring out how to remove the trigger assembly from the gun. Otherwise I am pretty skilled with hand tools and I would rate the exercise as medium difficulty. That said, if you have any doubts about being able to do this take it to a 'smith. He or she should be able to do it without breaking a sweat or your wallet.

Function -

It's very simple to use and does not affect the normal operation of the trigger with the safety disengaged. In fact, I like the smoothness of the Siderlock trigger more than the stock serrated trigger it replaced. The thing I like best about the device is that it gives me a choice. I like to keep the gun ready with one in the chamber and I can just flick the safety and leave it on when I throw it in my bag or pack and not have to worry something catching the trigger while moving about and causing an AD. When I carry it on my person in a holster I can just flick the safety off before I holster the gun and it's ready to go just as if it weren't there. Even if I forgot to disengage the safety it only takes a millisecond to disengage and is simple enough to check while you draw if you practice enough with it (yes, I have been practicing with it). As I said, I also like the trigger that comes with it. It's very smooth and has a postive natural feel to it with the safety disengaged. With the safety engaged there is no way to pull the trigger even if you forcefully pull on it. You will probably damage the gun's frame before you damage the trigger and it would take a mighty hefty pull to do that. Bottom line, you are not pulling the trigger accidentally or otherwise while the safety is engaged. The safety actuator botton itself is some kind of alloy and has a very positive feel to it. It's hard enough that it won't get depressed with a glacing touch yet easy enough to disengage with a touch of your index finger. It is very easy to make this a fluid motion when you are ready to fire and the button disengages with a positive click that tells you you are ready to rock and roll. One thing I have heard from some detractors of this device is they say that it's dangerous to have to push a button located on the trigger. After actually using the thing I will say that the design of the trigger and the button make it very positive from a tactile point of view and it is very easy to work with a minimum of fumbling. You are pushing the button sideways so you are not moving the the trigger forward or backward and the way the Glock trigger works with the built-in trigger safety, it is very difficult if not impossible to pull the trigger while working the safety button. I have tried to make this happen with the gun unloaded and I could not do it. My guess is that this argument is mostly made by folks who have never seen or used the Siderlock in person. In any case this is only my opinion and others may still disagree on this point. I am satisfied and confident that I can safely operate the device without accidentally pulling the trigger. YMMV.

Summary -

All in all it's a very nice addition to the Glock. Could I live without it if I had to? Sure, but that's the cool thing IMHO...I now have the choice. I don't know if it will stay on the gun forvever but the bottom line for me is that it does what I wanted it to do and is very unobtrusive and works very well and it gives me some piece of mind in those situations where I felt like I needed an extra layer of safety.


Now I know some of you guys like to flame away on stuff like this and that's fine, I totally understand not wanting to have this device on YOUR Glock and I wholeheartedly support you. All I ask is that instead of posting negativity in this thread, please change the channel to another thread or start your own thread about how Glocks are perfect without additional safeties etc. This review is for the folks who are interested in this device and considering purchasing one.

Stay safe out there and God bless.
-Frank

passive101
04-28-2009, 08:40
Isn't this the do hikky that has already broken on some people where the lock becomes loose and moves back and forth with little effort or by shaking the gun or having it hit against an object?

If you like it and it works for you that is cool :)

dudester
04-28-2009, 08:54
Hmm, I haven't heard that but if it happens to me it will be off my gun just as fast as it went on. ;)

Do you have a link to this information?

jmb79
04-28-2009, 10:08
Ibut my lovely wife asked me to try this "for her" to give her peace of mind when we are both handling the gun or for when I pack the gun in an unorthodox way (i.e. without a holster). -Frank

Well there are your two mistakes.

First, you "peace of mind" is not good when handling guns. I don't mean you should be fearful of them but you should never rely on the a safety device. If you follow the four rules, you don't need it and if you think you need because you aren't following the four rules, you should own a gun. Period.

Second, you "pack" the gun without a holster? Do you mean to say that you carry the pistol in public without a holster? This is an absolutely foolish thing to do, regardless of whether you have the b.s. extra safety. I guess the same mentality that keeps you from seeing why it's a bad idea to carry w/o a holster is same mentality that thinks adding the sidelock solvers the problem.

You asked for it, you got it.

pspablo
04-28-2009, 10:23
If it works as advertised.. then it's all good. Happy wife = happy life. Please share how it holds up over time.

9jeeps
04-28-2009, 10:28
FWIW, I've been interested in this device for reasons of my own. Dudester, gave me a good review.

The other two posters only gave me excrement. Ymmv.

NAS T MAG
04-28-2009, 10:41
Good review. I've had these on my G19, G26 & G30SF and never had a problem. I had less of an issue installing them than you and I believe you could use the orginal trigger and return to stock. Just seal the hole on the one side where the pin was ejected.

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu220/NAS-T-MAG/15Glock19.jpg

passive101
04-28-2009, 10:43
Hmm, I haven't heard that but if it happens to me it will be off my gun just as fast as it went on. ;)

Do you have a link to this information?


I only remember reading somewhere that the pin came loose.

voyager4520
04-28-2009, 10:46
Um, Safe-T-Blok anyone?
http://www.glockworld.com/content.aspx?Ckey=gwo_edit

You can adjust the retention strength on it too.

passive101
04-28-2009, 10:46
Um, Safe-T-Blok anyone?
http://www.glockworld.com/content.aspx?Ckey=gwo_edit

Pretty much the same thing.

LancerV
04-28-2009, 10:58
To me it sounds like a way to create more ND's

literaltrance
04-28-2009, 11:24
I hope you don't take this post as negative. I fully respect the fact that it's your firearm and you can see to it however you wish so long as no one's getting unlawfully shot. :)

When I purchased my Glock, it didn't take long for me to realize the tenets of firearm handling are the ONLY thing which will prevent accidental discharge. It is true to say these same tenets should be practiced on all firearms regardless of whether or not they have a safety. None is more important than another and all must be followed at all times for them to be effective:

-always check and clear a firearm whenever it is handled
-keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction unless you intend to shoot
-never put your finger on the trigger unless you intend to fire

This safety violates the third tenet and thus greatly reduces my confidence in it or desire to have it. It's not a Glock thing and it's not a personal thing. In my eyes it's breaking one of the cardinal rules of firearm safety. If this device was installed to satisfy your wife, I humbly and respectfully suggest you and your wife go over the basics of firearm safety thoroughly. At least that's what I would do.

Please don't take this as negative, I just think this device could lead to tragedy. Good luck with it if you are set on keeping it.

NAS T MAG
04-28-2009, 14:06
With all due respect, posts 8, 9, 10, 11 & 12 do not have any knowledge of this product. Why respond when you really don't have the facts?

This is not even close to the Saf-T-Blok. How many of you use a Smart Carry? Probably the best concealment holster on the market, but I want a safety on any Glock I carry in it.

Like the OP said. You can use it if you want to, but you don't have to. I just don't get some of these responses. It's like a lot of villages are looking for some lost residents.:rofl:

packin45
04-28-2009, 14:37
Um, Safe-T-Blok anyone?
http://www.glockworld.com/content.aspx?Ckey=gwo_edit

You can adjust the retention strength on it too.


http://thegunzone.com/glock/stb.html

Um, not in this lifetime, thanks.

Bayliss
04-28-2009, 14:52
Great review. I've been thinking about getting some Siderlocks, and this review was very helpful. Thanks.

packin45
04-28-2009, 14:55
Like the OP said. You can use it if you want to, but you don't have to. I just don't get some of these responses. It's like a lot of villages are looking for some lost residents.:rofl:

I think what those guys were referring to was the fact that you have to touch the Siderlock trigger in order to engage the safety. Having to touch the trigger of any loaded weapon, when it's not on target and ready to fire, makes me pretty squeamish...safety or no safety. I think they're of the same opinion.

I was taught that the safety button is only there to lessen the chance of a ND, anyway, and not something to rely on. On the rare occasion I feel the need to mexican carry my Glock, I clear the chamber....a gun with a cold chamber is better than no gun at all, I guess.

I'm glad the Siderlock works well for you guys, though.

DMCA
04-28-2009, 15:07
Thank you for an informative review of an interesting addition.

Prior to owning Glocks and other autoloaders, all of my semi auto pistols were Sig, with the decocker function. I was wed to the notion of a DA trigger pull if I had a round in the chamber.

Having one 1911 and some other pistols with manual safeties, I also understood the notion of C&L if a round was in the chamber. Glocks were the last brand I purchased and that was a new trigger experience.

If I carried though, my choice would be a Glock with a round in the chamber. I don't chamber a round at home because my opinion is that if awakened from a deep sleep, I better have something alerting me other than the BG at the foot of my bed!

It appears the device you mention takes all of the attributes of a Glock and adds a 1911 or manual type saftey, which can be readily disengaged. I don't think it's good or bad on it's own, but if it provides psychic encouragement to the gun owner / user and the utility of the gun its not diminished, then it's worthwhile.

jtc424
04-28-2009, 15:38
[QUOTE=NAS T MAG;12839505]

How many of you use a Smart Carry? Probably the best concealment holster on the market, but I want a safety on any Glock I carry in it.

Maybe you would classify the Smart Carry as the Best concealment holster the market, but it doesn't mean the thing is efficient IMO. I had one, and the difficulty alone to take a wiz with that thing on was enough for me to get rid of it.

jtc424
04-28-2009, 15:39
With all due respect, posts 8, 9, 10, 11 & 12 do not have any knowledge of this product. Why respond when you really don't have the facts?

This is not even close to the Saf-T-Blok. How many of you use a Smart Carry? Probably the best concealment holster on the market, but I want a safety on any Glock I carry in it.

Like the OP said. You can use it if you want to, but you don't have to. I just don't get some of these responses. It's like a lot of villages are looking for some lost residents.:rofl:


Maybe you would classify the Smart Carry as the Best concealment holster the market, but it doesn't mean the thing is efficient IMO. I had one, and the difficulty alone to take a wiz with that thing on was enough for me to get rid of it.

passive101
04-28-2009, 15:45
How is this inefficient? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emMtaYjjHIo

:dunno:

sniper350
04-28-2009, 16:56
Your review is well written and I believe helpful to anyone thinking of further complicating their weapon.

The reason I bought a Glock is its wonderful simplicity ......... a home defense gun for my wife to use should I be away. No levers to work ........ just pick up the weapon and pull the trigger ....... nothing could be simplier and believe me you will WANT "simple" should you ever have the mis- fortune of having to defend your life. Even the most simplest motor skills can become confused wild actions. I have told this story before on forums ........ I had a new Flashlight that turned on a little differently than most. I had been using that flashlight for about 2 months, enough time to be use to its functioning - I thought ? One night an emergency occurred in my neighborhood and I ran outside with the flashlight attached to my belt, as usual. The emergency became a life and death situation and I needed a flashlight. Becauase of the adrenlin ........ I could not get that flashlight to turn on ......... not even when my life depended on it and maybe because it did ? In a PANIC, I fumbled with that damn light with NO success. After the incident was over ........ I walked over to the ground where I threw the Flashlight,Picked it up and turned it ON like I had done it a million times before. Lesson here : Under extreme stress - even the simplist actions can become impossible to accomplish. It's hard to know how much training is sufficient to over-come this stress related "retardation" until the life threatening action really happens.

Should you need your Glock to work ........say when someone is shooting at you ....... you might not even remember the Siderlock was even installed on your Glock ....... and maybe like me start to panic over why your weapon is not working.........???? Of course, if this weapon is just a range gun ,then no worries. I have nothing against a manual Safety ..... but you MUST train with it ALL the time, not just occasionally. It must be part of the firing sequence as with a 1911 as an example.

But for self defense ........SIMPLE ....is better ......... and always will be !!!

JF.

p3v5
04-28-2009, 17:24
I have the siderlock on my 26 and 30 and love it. They have been on both of them for a year now with no problems whatsoever.You can look on www.siderlock.com and they put it through several thousand revolutions to test it with no problems at all.

compassman
04-28-2009, 17:38
In the Marines we were pounded to keep our fingers of the trigger. I spent the last 15 years teaching people in my NRA classes to keep there finger off the trigger untill there ready to shoot. Now, there is this safety that is actually on the trigger on a pistol that was not designed for such safety device. Touching a trigger on a loaded pistol breaks a NRA golden rule.


THE GOLDEN RULES

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot. *******
Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.

Follow these three rules and there is no need for and safety on your trigger.

Wait till 3AM and someone breaks into your house and your scared, rushing and your adreniline is pumping and you have no fine motor skills and you have to hit a little button on a trigger on a Glock. All while moving to your kids room or cover. As soon as you grab that pistol you are heading straight to the trigger! This defeats the entire design of the Glock. If you need such a safety device then don't own or buy a Glock. Find a gun designed with a safety that is safe to operate and that doesn't break any NRA Golden rules.

texas 48
04-28-2009, 17:40
If it works as advertised.. then it's all good. Happy wife = happy life. Please share how it holds up over time.

I have had 2 installed on Glocks. Both guns had to be replaced due to slide problems.

The siderlock geometry is different than the glock trigger. Slide a could not be put back on the frame until the trigger was repositioned in the cocked position. In my opinion this forced the slide up at a muzzle down angle forcing the rear of the slide up when recoiling putting additional stresses on the rails and slide was out of alignment. This casued peening on the barrel chamber lugs of gun 1 and in the second resulted in gouging the front of the frame and caused and ultimately resulted in the web between the Barrel opening and the recoil spring opening to crack.

This is my opinion for the failures becasue the trigger was the only not stock items in both glocks and they occured within 500 rounds after installation. The 1st Glock had a few thousand rounds thru it before installation but the second was brand new and only 500 rounds Thru it before it failed Both failures occured within 11 months of each other . To coincidental for me tobelieve it wa any thing else but the siderlock. IMHO. Take it for what it is worth.

Bello
04-28-2009, 18:24
they have on on a g32 at my range i went to fire it when i rented it way back and i was like wtf.. then i looked around and seen this lil silver button on the trigger and laughed i was like do all g32's come this way.. he said no its a sliderlock i honestly didnt like it

RobertSB701
04-28-2009, 18:49
I have one installed on my 21SF. There are some very good arguments for and against the Siderlock. It's also one more thing for anyone who shouldn't have your gun in their possession figure out how to circumvent. If an intruder finds your gun or even if you carry and get disarmed this adds potential life saving seconds if you find yourself on the wrong end of your own gun. Perhaps that sounds like quite a stetch of the imagination. I like it and run drills at the range using it every time I shoot. To each his own.

andyo5
03-22-2010, 18:27
I have one on my G30. It is a handy device that can be used in several ways: as a hedge while you are carrying the gun concealed against the trigger accidentally being depressed, for example. Also could slow down or completely defeat a gun grabber from using your gun against you. The good thing is once it is on the gun, you are not forced to use it. The Siderlock trigger is comfortable to use. I like mine and see no negatives about it.

Bren
03-22-2010, 18:28
OK, forget all the "safety between the ears" "doesn't need one" "piece of junk" replies. let's assume I think a Glock needs a safety. You instealled a safety that requires you to put your finger inside the trigger guard and push on the trigger to take the gun off safe.do you think that makes the gun more safe...or less safe. You may guess that I think a safety device that requires you to violate a fundamental rule of gun safety (keep your finger outside the trigger guard/off the trigger, until ready to fire) is a very, very bad idea.

Bren
03-22-2010, 18:32
I have one on my G30. It is a handy device that can be used in several ways: as a hedge while you are carrying the gun concealed against the trigger accidentally being depressed, for example. Also could slow down or completely defeat a gun grabber from using your gun against you. The good thing is once it is on the gun, you are not forced to use it. The Siderlock trigger is comfortable to use. I like mine and see no negatives about it.

Well, let's see, something goes bump in the night and you have to draw your gun and, under stress, put your finger inside the trigger guard and mess with the trigger to get it off safe...if you think there are no negatives, I'd suggest some basic gun handling/safety training

elde
03-22-2010, 18:47
Have you people noticed that this new member, drummer12345, seems to be dragging up year or two year old threads to make the point that he hates Siderlock?

drummer, suggest you initiate your own thread rather than clogging up the forum with useless information to promote your own agenda.

gunsmoke92
03-22-2010, 19:08
Stay away from Siderlock! They do not stand by their product. My trigger broke and they refuse to replace it despite it being "Guaranteed for Life".

Kyle

Yea, we got it, all 3 or 4 times. Now go troll somewhere else.:crying:

Ryobi
03-25-2010, 06:59
Ordering it in the first place was the mistake. That it broke (reportedly) just compounds the error. If the ill conception of this device isn't immediately and glaringly obvious at first glance, no amount of logic is likely to jump start the users common sense generator.

dudester
09-03-2011, 18:11
Ok full circle now, I am returning the the gun back to stock. I haven't had any trouble with the Siderlock but I just don't use it and I would rather not have it on there if there is no benefit. Good product though if you have a use for it. It works as advertised.

Simplejack
06-14-2012, 19:58
People are thinking way too much on this simple trigger/safety..

It's a trigger.
It has a nice shape and feel to it.
It's black with a silver safety lever thing.
It looks good on the gun.
It's only $50 bucks compared to what other trigger options are out there when all you want to do is replace the trigger with something a little more cooler looking.

Also, if you can't push a little button on the "side" sideways without fully depressing the trigger backwards and making it fire, you probably shouldn't even be around guns..

And if you want to, you can push the safety button for those moments you want to activate a second safety. If you don't want the safety on, you never have to use it.

I think it's pretty much that simple.
Just because you have a safety on the gun, doesn't mean you have to use it or use it every time.
But, it does look alot nicer then the stock trigger and I think it will look pretty good with the titanium pins I plan on adding to my frame.

As long as the product works like it is suppose to without malfunctioning, then I see no problems at all with this trigger/safety.
If it's not what you want, don't buy it. There is many accessories for these guns and not everyone is going to want all of them.

I almost never use the air conditioning in my car, but I do like having the option to use it for that one of two times I might want to use it.

7.62FMJ
07-01-2012, 10:57
The pins walk out while firing.

It's a poor design on how it is "staked" to the transfer bar. I've owned for a while now and it was replaced by the factory once before for the same reason. After only maybe a few mags full, the small pins start to walk out which protrude far enough such that you can't even pull the trigger, then you have to push them back in with the back end of a punch. Now I've tried to glue mine in, locktight them in, but nothing works. I've contacted the company many times about the issue but they are foreign and I don't think English is their primary language because overall- they just ignore the findings. Until they upgrade the product with a "U shaped" staking pin that won't walk out then I would avoid this product for serious carry. I've owned four such units now on two different guns, only because the factory replaced them- each time, nothing changed. The pins themselves are polished and free floated in a plastic trigger without any means of capturing them.


7.62FMJ

SouthpawG26
07-01-2012, 11:58
The bath salt zombie of GT threads. This one truly refuses to die....

Simplejack
07-01-2012, 16:51
The bath salt zombie of GT threads. This one truly refuses to die....

Why would this thread die when this is a active product on the market that is still available for purchase on new model Glocks?

DaBurna
07-02-2012, 07:08
If you like it... I love it... No extra safeties for me... My brain, good holster, & Glock's trigger safety system are the PERFECT TRIFECTA for me!!:wavey:

ZO6Vettever
07-16-2012, 14:21
I have never owned a handgun with a safety and have carried a weapon since 1975. All were revolvers with some mighty long and heavy double action triggers. Pretty near impossible to AD. My only semi auto was a Sigma. The trigger was pretty much the same as a J frame. Totally safe. Now the Glocks, G30 for me and wife carry's a G26 have much lighter and shorter triggers. I originally was going to put 8.5 lb. springs on them but have really gotten to like the stock trigger. Sliderlock sounds like a simple, safe way to add a manual safety. Wife is spooky about one in the chamber and a Sliderlock would ease her anxiety. I don't think I would have an objection to having one. The split second to disengage the safety is sure faster than racking the slide. I'm considering it. Flaming me won't change my mind for those who enjoy that sort of thing. Good report sir and I hope they are all you expect them to be!

K9Cops
01-29-2013, 19:01
I have carried without a holster off duty for over 30 yrs, using a revolver (S&W Chief) or a DA/SA weapon (Sig) without any problems. If someone is worried about an AD carrying without a holster, then why not just install an 8lb or 10lb NY1 trigger and be done with it. That would bring the specs of the Glock more into line with a DA trigger and make the chance of an AD much less likley.

SouthpawG26
01-30-2013, 05:56
Congrats to all whom have participated! We've kept this thread alive for 4 years!

Four more years!

Four more years!

We can do it!