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G21Since17
04-30-2009, 02:01
I have an 870 Marine Magnum I picked up about 5-6 years ago and haven't done anything with really. I feel like remedying that situation. I was looking into it and was thinking of picking up the following:

Marine Top Folding Stock with Pistol Grip

http://www.atigunstocks.com/products.aspx?category=50&page=1&id=43
http://www.atigunstocks.com/images/products/MTF4900_01_medium.jpg

Shotshell Holder

http://www.atigunstocks.com/products.aspx?category=50&page=1&id=59
http://www.atigunstocks.com/images/products/SHO0500_01_medium.jpg

Pistol Grip Forend

http://www.atigunstocks.com/products.aspx?category=50&page=1&id=57
http://www.atigunstocks.com/images/products/SFP0300_01_medium.jpg

Flashlight Mount

http://www.atigunstocks.com/products.aspx?category=50&page=1&id=86
http://www.atigunstocks.com/images/products/STM1200_01_medium.jpg



Anyone have any experience with these products or the company? Pros/Cons?

But the more important question I want to ask is, are there any gun laws I need to be concerned about with this type of setup?

akgunnut
04-30-2009, 02:12
Unless you live in a place that restricts the use of folding stocks, shell holders, and tactical lights, I don't see the problem in putting them on your shotgun. I am personally not a fan of pistol grip forearms on pump shotguns, but that is just me. The good thing about having options for the 870 is you can do what you like, but the reality is, they're fine straight out of the box. The only thing I have done to my 870 is the Knoxx Spec Ops stock. I had a side saddle but took it off after realizing it through the balance of the gun off.


I wouldn't mind seeing pictures of your 870 Marine Magnum if and when you dress it up a bit.

G21Since17
04-30-2009, 02:24
Unless you live in a place that restricts the use of folding stocks, shell holders, and tactical lights, I don't see the problem in putting them on your shotgun. I am personally not a fan of pistol grip forearms on pump shotguns, but that is just me. The good thing about having options for the 870 is you can do what you like, but the reality is, they're fine straight out of the box. The only thing I have done to my 870 is the Knoxx Spec Ops stock. I had a side saddle but took it off after realizing it through the balance of the gun off.


I wouldn't mind seeing pictures of your 870 Marine Magnum if and when you dress it up a bit.

If it turns out nice and tight, pictures will be guaranteed.:supergrin:

Aceman
04-30-2009, 18:20
No love here for the pistol grip folded mode. Probably won't love the stock un folded, and won't love the pistol grip only shooting either.

byf43
05-01-2009, 20:17
I've never been a fan of anything from ATI.

G21Since17
05-01-2009, 22:51
I'm glad I have waited for some feedback - but any other suggestions then for my 870 MM? I just don't like the as-is setup, and I would like something more compact and manageable. It is obviously not a hunting gun, and is going to be meant for more close-range use... in essence, a tactical shotgun.

So... ideas?

byf43
05-02-2009, 09:06
I'm glad I have waited for some feedback - but any other suggestions then for my 870 MM? I just don't like the as-is setup, and I would like something more compact and manageable. It is obviously not a hunting gun, and is going to be meant for more close-range use... in essence, a tactical shotgun.

So... ideas?


I've posted this several times.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/byf43/Shotgun%20pics/Erins8701.jpg

This is the shotgun that I bought and set-up for my oldest daughter, when she bought her first home.
It's an 870 Express in 12 ga.
I took the wood furniture off of it and bought an 18-1/2" barrel, then, ordered a Knoxx SpecOps stock and synthetic forend.
I've since added the "PowerPak" to the buttstock and a Wilson's +2 magazine extension.
With the Knoxx at it's minimum LOP, it fits her perfectly!
Plus, it has a Limbsaver pad on it, too.

I did not put a sidesaddle on this shotgun, because the longer forend helps my daughter manipulate the action.
(Besides, with the magazine full, plus extra rounds in the "PowerPak", she's gonna be just fine.):supergrin:

The only other change to this scattergun is the safety. I removed the "J" safety and put in a standard safety.

This shotgun shoots very well. My daughter loves it.

cj5mrt
05-02-2009, 10:39
I've never been a fan of anything from ATI.

X2. Had an ATI stock break from a short drop.

And +100 on the Knoxx. It is one of the best purchases I have made. I have a +2 extension on mine too.

Mike

G21Since17
05-02-2009, 11:51
I can see not being happy with ATI, and that people are happy with Knoxx - but I still actually want a top-folding stock with a pistol grip. It would be nice to have the extra 5 rounds to, but I really don't care much about the forward grip or the flashlight grip.

I am mainly after that top-folding pistol grip stock - know any other good ones? I can't find any... especially not ones that are also made for marine resistance.

P.S. - I know that the lack of rubber on a folding stock would knock the hell out of me - but I can deal with it.

Mr. Blandings
05-02-2009, 22:09
No personal experience with the ATI stocks, but I've read several times of the shotshell holder mounted on the stock (as pictured at top) breaking off under recoil.

Also, the length of pull (LOP) on the top folders is usually longer than necessary (side folders, too). This is why so many folks are going to the Knoxx/M-4 style stock, youth stock, or other reduced LOP stock.

G21Since17
05-03-2009, 12:07
The only Knoxx products I see that come close to what I am looking for are these

BreachersGrip Shotgun Stock


http://www.blackhawk.com//CatalogImages/18-1154-IMG1.jpeg


or

SpecOps Folder Shotgun Stock

http://www.blackhawk.com//CatalogImages/18-1156-IMG1.jpeg

And they might be better quality than ATI, but if it is not what I am looking for than I don't know what the point of getting it is. The BreachersGrip by itself looks pointless... it would be better off as a lone pistol grip with sling on the bottom. The Blackhawk folding stock looks uncomfortable and ugly. I am looking for something where I can fire it without a stock... pistol grip only. And the side folding stocks look as though they are for transport only... not to mention once again, ugly and uncomfortable.

Victoriagotagun
05-03-2009, 15:29
And they might be better quality than ATI, but if it is not what I am looking for than I don't know what the point of getting it is. The BreachersGrip by itself looks pointless... it would be better off as a lone pistol grip with sling on the bottom. The Blackhawk folding stock looks uncomfortable and ugly. I am looking for something where I can fire it without a stock... pistol grip only. And the side folding stocks look as though they are for transport only... not to mention once again, ugly and uncomfortable.

Sounds like you made up your mind already...get the ATI stock.

amblackm
05-03-2009, 16:01
I've never been a fan of anything from ATI.

+1, spend some extra cash and get high quality accessories from Mesa Tactical, Wilson Combat, Vang Comp, Hogue, and/or Knoxx (among others). Try to stay away from Tac Star and ATI.

Andrew

G21Since17
05-03-2009, 16:49
Any thoughts on this one people?

Tamer Shotgun Pistol grip for Remington 870

http://www.hoguestore.com/images/products/08714L.jpg
http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=569_3_17&products_id=4624



I guess I am willing to give up a stock period if I can't find a top-folding one... especially for the price difference.

Anyone else have any experience here?

G21Since17
05-03-2009, 17:43
So just to clarify - is THIS what everyone is recommending?:

SpecOps Adjustable Shotgun Stock

http://www.blackhawk.com//CatalogImages/18-1158-IMG2_L.jpeg
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/SpecOps-Adjustable-Shotgun-Stock,1158,165.htm

???

byf43
05-03-2009, 18:01
So just to clarify - is THIS what everyone is recommending?:

SpecOps Adjustable Shotgun Stock

http://www.blackhawk.com//CatalogImages/18-1158-IMG2_L.jpeg
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/SpecOps-Adjustable-Shotgun-Stock,1158,165.htm

???

In a word. . . Yes. See my previous post showing my daughter's 870.

JK-linux
05-03-2009, 18:02
If you must get a pistol grip/folding stock, I'd suggest getting an old surplus Remington folder off of BrokeGunner. It's the setup that came with the 870's back in the 90's - steel and some unbreakable polymer. Clunky and ugly by some accounts, but damn stout and works well if you need to stash it somewhere tight.

G21Since17
05-03-2009, 18:21
Reading reviews of the Knoxx... what is this guy talking about?:

<ctd.ic>Could get you killed</ctd.ic>
Reviewer: <ctd.ic>Joe From California</ctd.ic>
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/images/pgfunc/1.0.gif
12/1/2008

So I attach the stock to my 870 And about 20 rounds in the stock stayed in the locked back position instead of resetting forward. When that happens the trigger cannot be pulled until the stock resets forward. I consulted the manual and was told to apply grease along the seams of the recoil buffer. I did and the stock has worked since. However I have no peace of mind, if the stocks recoil buffer fails to reset after a shot, the shotgun becomes a club. I can't trust my life with this product.

Victoriagotagun
05-03-2009, 18:30
Reading reviews of the Knoxx... what is this guy talking about?:

<ctd.ic>Could get you killed</ctd.ic>
Reviewer: <ctd.ic>Joe From California</ctd.ic>
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/images/pgfunc/1.0.gif
12/1/2008

So I attach the stock to my 870 And about 20 rounds in the stock stayed in the locked back position instead of resetting forward. When that happens the trigger cannot be pulled until the stock resets forward. I consulted the manual and was told to apply grease along the seams of the recoil buffer. I did and the stock has worked since. However I have no peace of mind, if the stocks recoil buffer fails to reset after a shot, the shotgun becomes a club. I can't trust my life with this product.

The recoil reduction comes from the receiver moving back into the stock via the springs. If something happens to the springs well your SOL.

Victoriagotagun
05-03-2009, 18:35
Any thoughts on this one people?

Tamer Shotgun Pistol grip for Remington 870

http://www.hoguestore.com/images/products/08714L.jpg
http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=569_3_17&products_id=4624



I guess I am willing to give up a stock period if I can't find a top-folding one... especially for the price difference.

Anyone else have any experience here?

That is a decent pistol grip...I would look into the Speedfeed birdshead grip or the Pachmayr Vindicator which is similar to a revolvers grip.

G21Since17
05-03-2009, 19:20
The recoil reduction comes from the receiver moving back into the stock via the springs. If something happens to the springs well your SOL.

Hmmm... can't say I want to take the risk either. If other stocks break at least the gun will still fire. I was almost convinced on the Blackhawk stock until I read about this problem. I have read good reviews about them even after they have had a significant fall, but I don't usually have that great of luck.

I think I might jus go with a pistol grip - then I could still use the stock bead sight on the gun too unlike with a top-folding stock.

Victoriagotagun
05-03-2009, 19:40
I think I might jus go with a pistol grip - then I could still use the stock bead sight on the gun too unlike with a top-folding stock.

There is also the Sage stock but you wouldn't be able to use a sidesaddle.

http://sageinternationalltd.com/si/access/shotgun.html#ts870

Mr. Blandings
05-03-2009, 21:41
G21Since17,

While I may not have experience with the ATI accessories nor the Knoxx products I DO have some shotgun experience - even a bit of what may be called practical knowledge.

There are two primary reasons to add a folding stock to a shotgun:
1. to reduce the overall length for storage/handling/carry
2. cosmetics

In my experience, when you look at the shotguns people use to shoot three gun matches and other combat style competitions you don't see folding stocks. You see M-4 style stocks and reduced length of pull/youth style stocks (not necessarily in that order).

If moving in tight quarters is a concern there are techniques for holding the shotgun in a non-traditional manner that reduce its overall length - this is a software solution (training) rather than a hardware solution (changing the gun).

G21Since17
05-03-2009, 21:50
:drowning: :rollingeyes: :nailbiting::faint:

G21Since17
05-03-2009, 22:09
Okay...

Any thoughts on this?:

SpecOps NRS (Non-Recoil Supressing) The SpecOps NRS
http://www.blackhawk.com//CatalogImages/18-1157-IMG1_L.jpeg
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/SpecOps-NRS-Shotgun-Stock,1157,165.htm

Believe me, if you are tiring of reading all of these, I am tiring of posting them and researching them. But I want to put some serious thought into this, as I do not want to damage my gun, wreck its effectiveness, or just plain buy a bad product (I don't like wasting money either).

As I understand it, this stock does not include the recoil system, so there is no danger of interference with the gun's ability to fire. Is that what you get?

Honestly I don't want a collapsible/sliding stock, but I am really having a hard time finding a short, pistol grip stock made by your recommended manufacturers.

Victoriagotagun
05-03-2009, 22:19
Okay...

Any thoughts on this?:

SpecOps NRS (Non-Recoil Supressing) The SpecOps NRS
http://www.blackhawk.com//CatalogImages/18-1157-IMG1_L.jpeg
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/SpecOps-NRS-Shotgun-Stock,1157,165.htm

Believe me, if you are tiring of reading all of these, I am tiring of posting them and researching them. But I want to put some serious thought into this, as I do not want to damage my gun, wreck its effectiveness, or just plain buy a bad product (I don't like wasting money either).

As I understand it, this stock does not include the recoil system, so there is no danger of interference with the gun's ability to fire. Is that what you get?

Honestly I don't want a collapsible/sliding stock, but I am really having a hard time finding a short, pistol grip stock made by your recommended manufacturers.

I don't like the AR-15 style stocks on shotguns. I prefer short/youth traditional stocks especially the Hogue Shotshot. The Knoxx NRS stock doesn't have the recoil reduction so it won't have the potential problem you are talking about. But, if you don't want a collapsible or sliding stock but want a short pistol grip stock then look at the Speedfeed IV-S with 13" LOP and pistol grip.

G21Since17
05-04-2009, 11:19
I don't like the AR-15 style stocks on shotguns. I prefer short/youth traditional stocks especially the Hogue Shotshot. The Knoxx NRS stock doesn't have the recoil reduction so it won't have the potential problem you are talking about. But, if you don't want a collapsible or sliding stock but want a short pistol grip stock then look at the Speedfeed IV-S with 13" LOP and pistol grip.


I am not familiar with Speedfeed. Is it a solid stock or is it rigged to load shells via the stock?
http://www.speedfeedinc.com/images/products/TMT_6.jpg

If it is simply a stock then I am intrigued, but if it is another specialized stock that is going to be linked into the way the gun shoots, then I will probably pass.

Dutch Schultz
05-04-2009, 12:37
It's solid. That little compartment just holds 2 extra shells.

Victoriagotagun
05-04-2009, 12:46
I am not familiar with Speedfeed. Is it a solid stock or is it rigged to load shells via the stock?
http://www.speedfeedinc.com/images/products/TMT_6.jpg

If it is simply a stock then I am intrigued, but if it is another specialized stock that is going to be linked into the way the gun shoots, then I will probably pass.

Yes, Speedfeed stocks are solid and is not linked in anyway the gun shoots but the one I was referring to has a 13" LOP so it doesn't come with option of loading the shells in the stock.

G21Since17
05-04-2009, 22:55
Yes, Speedfeed stocks are solid and is not linked in anyway the gun shoots but the one I was referring to has a 13" LOP so it doesn't come with option of loading the shells in the stock.

Wow - that is still near $100 though. I think my desires and budget are going to play a bigger factor here.

Victoriagotagun
05-04-2009, 23:59
Wow - that is still near $100 though. I think my desires and budget are going to play a bigger factor here.

Whats your budget? That will help narrow things down.

G21Since17
05-05-2009, 00:00
I found this video of a guy shooting his 870 Marine Magnum with the Hogue pistol grip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5QC7d7dY7Q&feature=player_embedded

z28deuce
05-05-2009, 00:12
I'm happy with the Choate MK5 stock I put on my 870MM. It's a full stock with a pistol grip that's shorter than the factory stock, similar to the Speedfeed. You can get them for about $70 from various places like Midway, etc.

G21Since17
05-05-2009, 00:12
Whats your budget? That will help narrow things down.

Well, actually I found just the stock for $80... hmmm...

Victoriagotagun
05-05-2009, 00:26
www.arizonagunrunners.com has the Speedfeed IVS for $69.45

84S
05-05-2009, 00:41
Leave your 870 stock as is, it will suit your needs just fine. Folding stocks and pistol grips on shotguns are not ideal shooting platforms.

G21Since17
05-05-2009, 00:49
www.arizonagunrunners.com (http://www.arizonagunrunners.com) has the Speedfeed IVS for $69.45

I have read a couple of reviews where the stock doesn't seem to fit as smoothly as it should. Maybe every person writing the review was an idiot and didn't know what they were doing - but I am not going to assume I would do much better.

Leave your 870 stock as is, it will suit your needs just fine. Folding stocks and pistol grips on shotguns are not ideal shooting platforms.

While I have no basis for comparison, I am starting to think more along your lines for right now. If it ain't broke - don't spend $25-$100 + S&H to screw it all up.

Maybe I need a new approach here. I am going to a gun show in a little over a week. Maybe I should find another cheap 870 and then go pistol-grip crazy on that. Let's see if these things have been price-hiked yet.

catman71
05-05-2009, 05:49
on a side note:

do you all know that a 870 Marine Magnum is actually a special finish from the factory and not just a regular 870 painted silver? cause I didn't.

If someone wants to buy a funny looking 870, pm me..........

G21Since17
05-05-2009, 23:22
on a side note:

do you all know that a 870 Marine Magnum is actually a special finish from the factory and not just a regular 870 painted silver? cause I didn't.

If someone wants to buy a funny looking 870, pm me..........

Don't tell me you spray-painted the damn thing silver thinking you were saving money. Yes - it is nickel coated inside and out to prevent rust and corrosion in general, but stands up better to salt water and humid environments better than conventional shotguns. It has nothing to do with the Marine branch of the military.

hazmat25
05-10-2009, 10:49
Okay...

Any thoughts on this?:

SpecOps NRS (Non-Recoil Supressing) The SpecOps NRS
http://www.blackhawk.com//CatalogImages/18-1157-IMG1_L.jpeg
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/SpecOps-NRS-Shotgun-Stock,1157,165.htm

Believe me, if you are tiring of reading all of these, I am tiring of posting them and researching them. But I want to put some serious thought into this, as I do not want to damage my gun, wreck its effectiveness, or just plain buy a bad product (I don't like wasting money either).

As I understand it, this stock does not include the recoil system, so there is no danger of interference with the gun's ability to fire. Is that what you get?

Honestly I don't want a collapsible/sliding stock, but I am really having a hard time finding a short, pistol grip stock made by your recommended manufacturers.

I had one on my 870 and it felt like it was going to knock my teeth out every time i fired the gun

G21Since17
05-10-2009, 23:43
Tamer Shotgun Pistol grip for Remington 870

http://www.hoguestore.com/images/products/08714L.jpg
http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=569_3_17&products_id=4624





I went ahead and bought this today. Not planning on putting it on my 870 MM just yet, but I decided I really wanted to give this a try on an 870 one day, and I don't think I will find it in the future for $24.95, if at all.

As for any extra ammunition, I also got a sling that will hold 15 shells in it. Might go on my current MM setup. This all figures with what I posted in the pistol grip thread:

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1049010&page=2

I think I only need three shotguns in life... maybe my 870 Marine Magnum as is... another 870 (maybe Marine Magnum) with pistol grip only, and I think I want a Saiga shotgun with a high capacity magazine... I already have a pistol grip collapsible stock that would fit it.

Victoriagotagun
05-10-2009, 23:54
As for any extra ammunition, I also got a sling that will hold 15 shells in it. Might go on my current MM setup.

Shell slings just add weight and through the balance off of the shotgun. You would of been better off getting a shotgun bandoleer or belt.

cj5mrt
05-22-2009, 13:42
Reading reviews of the Knoxx... what is this guy talking about?:

<ctd.ic>Could get you killed</ctd.ic>
Reviewer: <ctd.ic>Joe From California</ctd.ic>
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/images/pgfunc/1.0.gif
12/1/2008

So I attach the stock to my 870 And about 20 rounds in the stock stayed in the locked back position instead of resetting forward. When that happens the trigger cannot be pulled until the stock resets forward. I consulted the manual and was told to apply grease along the seams of the recoil buffer. I did and the stock has worked since. However I have no peace of mind, if the stocks recoil buffer fails to reset after a shot, the shotgun becomes a club. I can't trust my life with this product.

Hate to drag up an old thread, but...................I don't see how a spring in the stock can affect the trigger or anything else having to do with firing the weapon. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has any idea what would stop the gun from running like normal, other than the stock just sticking back.

Mike

New2GT
05-23-2009, 15:22
Hate to drag up an old thread, but...................I don't see how a spring in the stock can affect the trigger or anything else having to do with firing the weapon. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has any idea what would stop the gun from running like normal, other than the stock just sticking back.

Mike

+1 I was wondering the same thing.

I don't have a Knox stock so maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how a spring in the stock could possibly affect the trigger. I hope someone can weigh in and either debunk what people are worried about or at least clarify how it works.

TxShooter
05-30-2009, 23:53
When the receiver recoils back, the trigger guard is covered by the pistolgrip portion of the stock. If it sticks, you can't access the trigger.

1936
02-10-2010, 09:30
I've had a Marine magnum for years. It has always functioned perfectly. I've tried various stocks, none seem to function as well as the "as supplied" version." I did add an aftermarket butt pad and a receiver mounted 5 rd carrier.

Glocker08
02-10-2010, 10:01
I've never been a fan of anything from ATI.

+1

I put an ATI 6 position stock on a shotgun I used to have and was not impressed at all,total piece of crap. ATI stuff is cheaply priced because it is cheaply made.

Cajun
02-10-2010, 12:51
When the receiver recoils back, the trigger guard is covered by the pistolgrip portion of the stock. If it sticks, you can't access the trigger.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong(and I know they will) But the pistolgrip of the specops stock moves with the receiver, not the stock. It is fixed to the receiver. I'm not sure about others, but that sure would seem to mangle your trigger finger!

stiletto raggio
03-04-2010, 16:41
Resurrection, but I wanted to give my input. If you can find them, the Choate top-folding stock is actually very nice. I have one mounted on a winchester Defender. The cheekweld is not good--in fact, I don't recomment actually putting your face on it, but it allows the compactness of a pistol grip only set-up with the option of a stock for enhanced control. It precludes the use of ghostrings or optics, but for what it is designed for, it does a good job. Mine has a TacStar sidesaddle on it and a sling mounted to the grip and side of the stock. http://www.choatestocks.com/TopFolder.html