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liveandletlive
05-14-2009, 08:50
Question po...

You and your family are driving down a road where there are a lot of people because there is a fiesta of some sort. You have your licensed gun with you with a PTT since you've just been to the range. The road is almost a one-way street due to the crowd. There's no way for you to go fast. A visibly drunk man was blocking the road, knife in hand. He came by your side and tried to stab you through the close car window. Instinctively, you already have your gun in hand locked and loaded and squarely pointed at him.

If the attacker tried to stab you again, breaks the window and you shot him till his dead or neutralized.

Would you be legally liable?

bikethief
05-14-2009, 10:19
If a clear threat to your life is established then I guess this would qualify as a justifiable shooting.

You might be charged with illegal possession or violating the rules of your PTT. It's either they cancel your firearms license or , worst case scenario, spend some time in jail.

Ultimately it's how you and your lawyer handle it. Remember, the dead drunk guy won't be there to air his side so the only story in play is yours.

Hope this helps.

liveandletlive
05-14-2009, 10:34
If a clear threat to your life is established then I guess this would qualify as a justifiable shooting.

You might be charged with illegal possession or violating the rules of your PTT. It's either they cancel your firearms license or , worst case scenario, spend some time in jail.

Ultimately it's how you and your lawyer handle it. Remember, the dead drunk guy won't be there to air his side so the only story in play is yours.

Hope this helps.

Great help, bikethief. Thanks.

I was wondering if the necessity of the use of the deadly force and the legal gun documents (while not equal to a PTC) could help keep the shooter a free man. I'm pretty sure time in jail would be a lot better than being cut to pieces, but sweet freedom isn't an easy thing to lose even for just some time.

Allegra
05-14-2009, 16:53
Sigang kalye lang yan , walang pera yan
Barilin mo nalang , ok na 10t sa pamilya
Biro lang brad hehe
Just in case may ma hurt sa sinabi ko , yan ang legal advice na binigay sakin ng siga dito samin

Jan ako inggit sa mga barumbado
Tayo , pinoproblem natin mga legalities ng mga gagawin natin
Sila, hindi na magdadalawang isip barilin yung mama ,magtago sandali, at mag areglo

atmarcella
05-15-2009, 00:12
areglo lang yan. technical term ata dun "out of court settlement".

Young Once
05-15-2009, 05:20
Pag licensed ang gun mo, di ka pwede ma charge ng illegal possession, kahit ilabas mo ang baril na walang ptc. The proper charge is bringing your licensed firearm, without PTCFOR, punishment is 6 months imprisonment.

horge
05-15-2009, 07:12
Basically, ang dale mo dun is not having a PTC, e dun pa lang,
dapat unloaded ang firearm mo in-transit, with the gun and
ammo stowed separately.... IOW, 'di mo rin naman magagamit
sa scenario mo na 'yan, e.

Pero naman, sabihin na nating dala mo ang boga, kargado, na
wala ka'ng PTC. E, buhay mo na (at ng pamilya mo) ang nakataya,
'di barilin mo na, and let the lawyers deal with it; or if you can
settle all the crap out of court, it's better than you being dead,
or God forbid, you losing a family member.

BTW, if you've never tried shooting from inside a vehicle, it pays
to imagine what "effectively doing so" demands, and how even
a successful shoot adversely and immediately affects the vehicle's
occupants.

mc_oliver
05-15-2009, 07:13
These days with cellphones capable of capturing video and audio, set it to record if you have the time or make the time. The audio will at least help you out argue your SD case.

Allegra
05-15-2009, 07:27
Basically, ang dale mo dun is not having a PTC, e dun pa lang,
dapat unloaded ang firearm mo in-transit, with the gun and
ammo stowed separately.... IOW, 'di mo rin naman magagamit
sa scenario mo na 'yan, e.



I hAve that covered
E di sabihin ko sa imbestigador , mabilis ako mag load gusto nya demo
Pag sinabi dapat nasa trunk yung baril , absuelto! Pickup sasakyan ko e

mtho
05-15-2009, 08:01
eh kung bangain mo nalang kaya yung mama?

bikethief
05-15-2009, 09:27
eh kung bangain mo nalang kaya yung mama?

Best suggestion so far!

9MX
05-15-2009, 09:33
eh kung bangain mo nalang kaya yung mama?

paano mo babanggain eh nasa tabi na, crowded street pa.

imho, its self defense. as to why the gun is loaded, burden of proof is for the shooter to prove how he manage to retrieve the gun or the mag from his trunk (which is why one rear seat of my sedan is always unlocked, for me or my companion to easily retrieve the mag in case of trouble)

horge,

minsan try namin yang shooting from inside the vehicle without muffs...pauunahin namin si joji at pogi.:rofl:

mc_oliver
05-15-2009, 09:43
minsan try namin yang shooting from inside the vehicle without muffs...pauunahin namin si joji at pogi.:rofl:
Dun ako kay Lolo Pogi,...kasi wala ng liliparin na buhok! :tongueout::rofl:

9MX
05-15-2009, 11:10
Dun ako kay Lolo Pogi,...kasi wala ng liliparin na buhok! :tongueout::rofl:

mco,

ayos ang hirit mo ah! kaso babalik sayo yan:rofl:

horge
05-15-2009, 14:06
horge,

minsan try namin yang shooting from inside the vehicle without muffs...pauunahin namin si joji at pogi.:rofl:

Ano 'ka mo? Hindi kita mariniiiig... :dunno:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Young Once
05-15-2009, 17:49
pag naputok mo na yung baril mo, irrelevant na yung ptt, since it allows you to bring the gun, pero hiwalay ang bala. Kahit may PTC ka, pag ngamit mo ang baril mo, bale wala din, since the PTC does not justfy your using the gun to kill someone. Each case will have to be judged on the merits. The PTC just makes it easier for you to justfy why you had a gun with you in the first place. BUT if the scenario is not proper for a self defense claim, kulong ka pa din.

pogi
05-15-2009, 18:41
Dun ako kay Lolo Pogi,...kasi wala ng liliparin na buhok! :tongueout::rofl:

ANAK ng TIPAKLONG kayo!!!
NANANAHIMIK ako...kaya pala ako NASASAMID, may mga BUMABANAT sa'kin sa likod! Buti nabuksan ko thread na'to.

For me, anong PTC or PTT or WHAT?
A BG does that to me? Am willing to be MABINGI (or MAUBOS TUTULE KO) with the BLAST of my OPEN from the inside.

Will get the services of our magagaling na lawyers dito: Taurus, GMV, Catsmeow, Young Once...mababait mga yan. MURA PA SUMINGIL.

or kung gusto niyo...get the services of those nag-aastang lawyers sa senado - na tipong kanto boy ang dating - na mali-mali naman grammar - na NABUBULOL kapag may ibubuga ini-imbistigahan...kulungan bagsak tiyak!

9MX
05-15-2009, 19:23
A BG does that to me? Am willing to be MABINGI (or MAUBOS TUTULE KO) with the BLAST of my OPEN from the inside.


open gun from the inside of a car? pati kulangot ubos diyan:rofl:

Wp.22
05-15-2009, 19:59
pag binaril make sure lang walangibang madamay eh crowded street pa naman ang scenario

liveandletlive
05-16-2009, 09:42
Ha ha... natawa ako dun sa ibang posts. Gumana pa kaya ang Auditory exclusion pag Open Gun ang ginamit mo:rofl:.

Nice points, guys. Sabi ng kaibigan kung lawyer, madali naman daw gawan ng kwento yung PTT lang ang meron ka. Katulad nung palusot na nabanggit ni Alegra. Pag-nabasag daw yung salamin kasi inulit ulit nyang saksakin yung bintana, meron nang intent to kill yung siga so malamang pwede nang justifiable shooting pag na-boga mo sya. For sure kahit pa walang license yung baril mo e talaga namang puputukan mo yung uma-atake sau. Meron dito samin almost the same scenario. Binaril yung sigang nagwawala ng retired army (gamit lumang Remington 1911 nya). Abswelto na yung mamang retiree sa 20K na binayad sa pamilya. Pero, ingat yung matanda sa resbak kaya pina gawan ng mataas na bakod yung bahay nila.

Allegra
05-17-2009, 08:55
Ha ha... natawa ako dun sa ibang posts. Gumana pa kaya ang Auditory exclusion pag Open Gun ang ginamit mo:rofl:.

Nice points, guys. Sabi ng kaibigan kung lawyer, madali naman daw gawan ng kwento yung PTT lang ang meron ka. Katulad nung palusot na nabanggit ni Alegra. Pag-nabasag daw yung salamin kasi inulit ulit nyang saksakin yung bintana, meron nang intent to kill yung siga so malamang pwede nang justifiable shooting pag na-boga mo sya. For sure kahit pa walang license yung baril mo e talaga namang puputukan mo yung uma-atake sau. Meron dito samin almost the same scenario. Binaril yung sigang nagwawala ng retired army (gamit lumang Remington 1911 nya). Abswelto na yung mamang retiree sa 20K na binayad sa pamilya. Pero, ingat yung matanda sa resbak kaya pina gawan ng mataas na bakod yung bahay nila.

Pero kung iisipin mo ng mabuti yan
Mabuti pa , just drive away nalang
Kung di tayo sanay sa magulong buhay , wag nanatin guluhin
Pero kung matagal na tayo walanghiya , warning shot na agad sa noo

horge
05-17-2009, 14:27
Pero kung iisipin mo ng mabuti yan
Mabuti pa , just drive away nalang

Unfortunately, fafa...
Ruled-out na nga ang escape and evasion sa scenario ni liveandletlive.
Tapos pa, nakabunot at turo na raw ang boga mo.

Kung di tayo sanay sa magulong buhay, wag nanatin guluhin
Pero kung matagal na tayo walanghiya , warning shot na agad sa noo

Lupet mo... :rofl:

h.

PMMA97
05-17-2009, 19:41
Dead and neutralized are very different things.

I would go for dead. Less hassle in court. Just make sure na nag iisa ang threat baka kuyugin ka pati pamilya mo damay.

Allegra
05-17-2009, 22:16
Unfortunately, fafa...
Ruled-out na nga ang escape and evasion sa scenario ni liveandletlive.
Tapos pa, nakabunot at turo na raw ang boga mo.



Lupet mo... :rofl:

h.


I thought he said humarang si lasing then pumunta sa drivers side
So , wala ng obstacle sa harap
Even if he tried to smash my window, my first thought would be to escape, lumayo then decide if a windshield is more expensive than a lawyer
When i'm inside a car , di ako bubunot ng baril unless disabled yung kotse ko
Kasi it's too slow
I'd use my car to get out of the killzone muna kasi mas mabilis gawin yun

horge
05-18-2009, 00:59
Ang sabi, "there's no way for you to go fast" dahil daw sa crowd, which
I took to mean: not enough speed to get away from the knife wielder
nor enough speed to run him down.

I agree drawing a gun is generally a stupid option for the attack scenario
indicated, pero ang sabi rin, that you already have the smokewagon out
and aimed, when the assailant breaks the window and attacks you.

:)

atmarcella
05-18-2009, 01:51
tama, tapos baka ma sagi mo pa ibang tao ng kotse mo in your attempt to run him down.

Allegra
05-18-2009, 17:02
sige na nga , para walang gulo bababa nalang ako ng kotse and use my death touch on him


BTW, we were caught in Baclaran dati in a crowd in our car
My dad , a very patient man bigla bumusina ng walang tigil and started racing the cars engine
Tabihan din naman mga tao at nakalusot agad kami , bigla nagkadaan
The people were so shocked hindi na sila naka pa pulot ng bato
Natatandaan ko yun kasi hiyang hiya ako, yumuko nalang ako haha