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griggrt
06-14-2009, 12:08
I hear that it was announced but not yet published that while in uniform we can now walk and talk on the cell phone even if not official business...

also we won't be blousing our BDU/ABU pant legs anymore but will tuck them into the boot.

Can anyone confirm this?

crazypilot
06-14-2009, 17:03
Never heard of it. However, we at Nellis have to salute while in PT gear and we have to have our PT shirts tucked in.

crazypilot
06-14-2009, 21:47
Saw this on another forum:

1. THE 98TH AF VIRTUAL UNIFORM BOARD CONVENED IN 2008. VOTING MEMBERS
INCLUDED AIRMEN FROM ALL MAJCOMS AND MOST FUNCTIONAL COMMUNITIES.
REPRESENTATIVES FROM AAFES, DSCP/DLA, THE AF UNIFORM OFFICE, AF/A1D AND
AF/A4L ACTED AS NON-VOTING ADVISORS. BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS WERE FORWARDED
TO THE AIR FORCE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR FINAL DECISION.

2. APPROVED ITEMS ? EFFECTIVE AS INDICATED:

A. DRESS (BLUE) UNIFORM
1) ELIMINATE WEAR OF THE METAL RANK BY ENLISTED AIRMEN ON THE
LIGHT WEIGHT BLUE JACKET; RANK MUST BE WORN USING ONLY THE
CHEVRON RANK INSIGNIA SEWN ON THE SLEEVES; EFF: NLT 1 JAN 2010

B. UTILITY UNIFORM (APPLIES TO ABUS, BDUS, AND DCUS)
1) TROUSERS MUST BE TUCKED INTO BOOTS AND PRESENT A BLOUSED
APPEARANCE AT ALL TIMES; EFF: IMMEDIATELY
2) TUCK IN BOOT LACES; EXCESS BOOT LACES MAY BE WRAPPED AROUND
THE BOOT AND TUCKED IN. NO ?BOWTIE? BOOT LACES; EFF:
IMMEDIATELY
3) MAJCOMS AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE WEAR OF BLACK BOOTS WITH THE ABU ONLY IN
INDUSTRIAL AREAS IAW 132024Z FEB 09 HQ USAF/A1 MESSAGE; EFF: AS PER
REFERENCED MESSAGE, 13 FEB 2009
4) ELIMINATE AUTHORITY TO ATTACH ORGANIZATIONAL CAP TO BDU TROUSER; EFF:
IMMEDIATELY
5) UPPER SLEEVE POCKET APPROVED FOR FIRE RESISTANT ABUS AUTHORIZED FOR, AND
WORN ONLY IN, THE AOR

C. ACCOUTREMENTS
1) AUTHORIZE AIRMEN MEETING THE CRITERIA FOR, AND AWARDED
THE US ARMY PARACHUTE RIGGERS BADGE PERMANENT WEAR OF THAT
BADGE ON ALL AUTHORIZED UNIFORM COMBINATIONS. WHEN WEARING THE SUBDUED
RIGGERS BADGE ON THE ABU/BDU, THE BADGE WILL BE BLUE (NOT BLACK).
WHEN WEARING THE SUBDUED BADGE ON THE DCU, THE BADGE WILL BE BROWN.

2) AUTHORIZE PERMANENT WEAR OF BLACK U.S. ARMY AIR ASSAULT BADGE ON THE
BDU, REGARDLESS OF DUTY ASSIGNMENT, UPON GRADUATION FROM AIR ASSAULT SCHOOL

3) AUTHORIZE WEAR OF THE AIR FORCE OFFICE OF SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS DUTY
BADGE ON THE SERVICE DRESS UNIFORM AND SUBDUED CLOTH DUTY BADGE ON THE ABU

D. MISCELLANEOUS
1) AUTHORIZE USE OF PERSONAL CELLULAR PHONES WHILE WALKING IN UNIFORM;
CELLULAR PHONE MUST BE CONSERVATIVE IN COLOR; WEAR OF HANDS FREE DEVICES
WHILE WALKING IN UNIFORM IS PROHIBITED; CELL PHONE MAY BE WORN ON EITHER THE
LEFT OR RIGHT SIDE OF UNIFORM; MILITARY CUSTOMS AND COURTESIES APPLY AND
TAKE PRECEDENCE

3. APPROVED UNIFORM/DESIGN CHANGES. WEAR GUIDANCE AND EFFECTIVE DATES WILL
BE PROVIDED IN SUPPLEMENTAL MESSAGES. NO ACTION REQUIRED BY MEMBERS AT THIS
TIME:

A.UTILITY UNIFORMS
1) WEAR OF FOLIAGE GREEN FLEECE AS AN OUTER GARMENT WITH ABU
2) A FLEECE LINER WITH THE ABILITY TO ZIP INTO THE APECS
3) NCREASE LENGTH OF LOWER LEG POCKET ON ABU TROUSER 1/2 INCH
4) CHANGE FEMALE ABU TROUSER FLY BUTTON?S TO MIRROR MALES
5) ADD SMALL ABU NAME TAPE WITH LAST NAME TO POCKET FLAP ON
ALL-PURPOSE ENVIRONMENTAL CLOTHING SYSTEM (APECS) LEFT SLEEVE
6) ALTER ABU SLEEVE PEN POCKET 1/2 INCHTO PREVENT
BREAKING WRITING UTENSILS OR PUNCTURES WHILE BENDING ARM

B. PHYSICAL TRAINING GEAR
1) REVISE CURRENT PT GEAR WEAR GUIDANCE TO REFLECT A MORE
PROFESSIONAL IMAGE. MAKE STANDARDS MORE IN LINE WITH THE
INTENT OF THE UNIFORM

C. MATERNITY UNIFORM
1) AUTHORIZE AN ADDITION OF SIDE BUTTONS THAT UNFOLD A SMALL
PORTION OF THE MATERNITY ABU TROUSER.

4. DEFERRED ITEMS AND ITEMS THAT BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, BUT REQUIRE
FURTHER RESEARCH AND/OR DEVELOPMENT. IF ANY ITEM IS LATER APPROVED BY CSAF,
WEAR GUIDANCE AND EFFECTIVE DATES WILL BE PROVIDED IN SUPPLEMENTAL MESSAGES;
NO ACTION REQUIRED BY MEMBERS AT THIS TIME:

A. UTILITY UNIFORM
1) WEAR OF GREEN CREW NECK SWEATER SIMILAR TO MARINE CORPS
UNDER THE ABU
B. MATERNITY UNIFORM
1) ADJUST MATERNITY ABU TO MIRROR REGULAR POCKET PLACEMENT
C. ACCOUTREMENTS
1) OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO COMMAND AND CONTROL (C2) NODES TO WEAR
THE C2 BADGE IF APPROVED FOR AWARD BY THE FUNCTIONAL AUTHORITY

5. DISAPPROVALS:
A. THE FOLLOWING INITIATIVES WERE DISAPPROVED:
1) OPTIONAL FLIGHT CAP W/VENTING
2) CORFAM/PATENT LEATHER LOW QUARTERS IN CLOTHING BAG
3) FEMALE AIRMEN TO WEAR MALE BLUE PANTS
4) MAKING LOOSER FITTING SERVICE DRESS TROUSERS
5) CONNECTED STARS FOR 2, 3, AND 4 STAR GENERAL OFFICERS
6) BODY SUIT STYLE SERVICE DRESS BLOUSE FOR FEMALE AIRMEN
7) AUTHORIZE ONLY LOW QUARTERS AND BOOTS FOR FEMALE AIRMEN
WEARING SERVICE DRESS UNIFORMS
8) AUTHORIZE WEAR OF ADDITIONAL OCCUPATIONAL BADGE 1.5? BELOW
WELT POCKET ON SERVICE DRESS COAT (THE WEAR OF ONE BADGE IN THAT
LOCATION IS STILL AUTHORIZED)
9) MALE ?PRINCE CUT? SERVICE DRESS SHIRT SIMILAR TO FEMALE
?PRINCESS CUT? SERVICE DRESS SHIRT
10) WEAR OF SILVER ?TERM OF SERVICE? STRIPES ON LOWER RIGHT
SLEEVE/CUFF AND ORANGE BRAID ?DISCHARGE STRIPE? ON THE SERVICE
DRESS UNIFORM
11) OFFICER BLACK ?GRADE? STRIPES ON LOWER SLEEVE/CUFF OF
SERVICE COAT (1=LT-CAPT; 2=MAJ-COL; 3=GEN OFFICER)
12) WEAR OF ALL, SOME, OR NO RIBBONS ON SERVICE DRESS UNIFORM;
I.E, AIRMEN MUST CONTINUE TO WEAR ALL
13) LONGEVITY STRIPES (HASH MARKS) ON SLEEVE OF SERVICE DRESS
AND MESS DRESS UNIFORMS
14) WEAR OF CREW NECK UNDERSHIRT W/ANY COMBINATION OF SERVICE
DRESS UNIFORM
15) REPLACE BLUE TIE/TIE TAB WITH BLACK HERRINGBONE TIE/TIE TAB
16) SMALL BOW TIE TO REPLACE FEMALE TIE TAB ON MESS DRESS
17) ?BILLY MITCHELL? STYLE COAT W/FULL SIZE MEDALS AS
MESS DRESS UNIFORM/ELIMINATE SEMI-FORMAL UNIFORM
18) WEAR OF AMERICAN FLAG ON THE ABU/DCU/BDU
19) BOONIE HAT W/ABU AND BDU IN ALL GARRISON AND DEPLOYED
LOCATIONS (IAW AFI 36-2903, TAB 1.1, THEATER COMMANDERS
PRESCRIBE FOR THEATER OF OPERATIONS)
20) DELETE REQUIREMENT TO BLOUSE UTILITY UNIFORM TROUSERS (SEE
ITEM 2.B.1 ABOVE, TROUSERS MUST BE TUCKED INTO BOOTS)
21) WEAR OF BRIGHT NON-SUBDUED GRADE INSIGNIA ON ABU CAP IN
NON-DEPLOYED LOCATIONS (ONLY SUBDUED PIN-ON OR SEW-ON RANK
AUTHORIZED)
22) WEAR OF PIN-ON OCCUPATIONAL BADGES ON ABUS FOR EASE OF
SANITIZING/CHANGING BADGES
23) WEAR OF ENLISTED RANK ON ABU COLLAR LAPEL
24) WEAR OF SIX-POINT UTILITY CAP
25) PERMANENT REDUCTION OF SLEEVE LENGTH OF ABU (ACCOMPLISHED
BY MANUFACTURER)
26) VELCRO IN PLACE OF BUTTONS ON ABU
27) SLANTED CHEST POCKETS ON ABU
28) ONE PIECE UTILITY UNIFORM (SIMILAR TO FLT SUIT) TO REPLACE ABU
29) WEAR OF BERET WITH ABU BY ALL AIRMEN (AFSCS CURRENTLY
AUTHORIZED TO WEAR BERET MAINTAIN AUTHORIZATION IAW 36-2903)
30) EMBROIDERED NAME ON ABU VICE NAME TAPE
31) WEAR OF ORGANIZATIONAL CAPS WITH ABU
32) BLACK SOCKS WITH ABU (SAGE GREEN SOCKS MUST BE WORN WITH
THE SAGE GREEN BOOT; TAN OR SAGE SOCKS MUST BE WORN WITH THE
TAN BOOT UNTIL 2011)
33) REMOVE TWO LOWER POCKETS ON ABU BLOUSE (TOP)
34) WEAR OF BLUE BELT WITH ABUS
35) REMOVE THIRD ABU CUFF BUTTON, REPLACE OTHER CUFF BUTTON
WITH HOOK AND LOOP VELCRO FASTENERS
36) ADD NAME TAPE SIMILAR TO ABU NAMETAPE TO BACK OF ABU HAT
37) WEAR OF UNIT PATCHES ON ABU (TO INCLUDE SISTER SERVICE PATCHES)
38) WEAR OF ARMY LIGHT GREEN FLEECE WATCH CAP WITH THE ABU
39) DISALLOW SEWING DOWN POCKETS ON ABU (THIS MEANS AIRMEN
ARE STILL AUTHORIZED TO SEW THEM DOWN)
40) WEAR OF ABU CAP WITH ELASTIC BAND
41) ALLOW WEAR OF WATCH CAP WITH ABUS ALONE, VICE WITH APECS
(OUTER GARMENTS ARE STILL REQUIRED WITH THE BLACK WATCH CAP)
42) PEN POCKET ON RIGHT SLEEVE OF ABU FOR LEFT-HANDED AIRMEN
43) SMALL POCKET ON ABU TO ACCOMMODATE COMMON ACCESS CARD
44) METAL ZIPPER IN LIEU OF BUTTONS ON ABU TROUSER FLY & BLOUSE
45) ELASTIC BANDS INSIDE BOTTOM OF TROUSERS OF ABU FOR BLOUSING
46) WEAR OF WEAPONS SCHOOL PATCH ON ABUS
47) CREATE ABU FIELD JACKET
48) BLACK LETTERING VICE BLUE ON NAMETAPE/USAF/OCCUPATIONAL
BADGES WORN ON ABU
49) PERMANENT WEAR OF TAN BOOTS VICE SAGE GREEN BOOTS
50) PIXILATED BACKGROUND FOR ENLISTED RANK ON ABU AND
ELIMINATE CREASED RANK
51) GREEN UNDERSHIRT WITH ABU
52) BLUE POLAR FLEECE JACKET WITH ABU
53) TAN GLOVES WITH ABU (BLACK AND SAGE GREEN GLOVES ARE
AUTHORIZED WITH APPROPRIATE OUTER GARMENTS)
54) WEAR OF BLACK OR DARK BLUE (MATCHING LETTERING ON
NAMETAPE, ETC) UNDERSHIRT WITH ABU
55) WEAR OF COMMANDER?S INSIGNIA ON ABU
56) OLIVE GREEN/BEIGE/TAN BERET IN GARRISON AND MULTI-POINT HAT
WITH ABU WHILE DEPLOYED
57) INTERIM WEAR OF DCU UNTIL MANDATORY WEAR DATE OF ABU
58) WEAR OF SPACE BADGE ON UTILITY UNIFORMS
59) REPLACE PIERCED STAR ON ENLISTED CHEVRONS WITH ?US? INSIGNIA
FOR AIRMAN TIER; RESERVE PIERCED STAR FOR NCOS
60) WEAR OF FIRST SERGEANT INSIGNIA (DIAMOND) IN THE SAME
MANNER AS COMMANDER?S INSIGNIA
61) DELETE OPTION TO WEAR COMMANDER?S INSIGNIA AS GRADUATED
COMMANDER
62) REPLACE CURRENT PT PANTS WITH SNAP/TEAR AWAY PANTS THAT
CAN BE ALSO USED AS SHORTS (REMOVABLE LOWER LEG)
63) BLACK SOCKS WITH PT GEAR
64) HOOD OF PT JACKET SAME AS HOOD ON APECS
65) ZIP OPEN VENTS BELOW POCKETS ON BOTH SIDES OF PT PANTS
66) SILK-FITTED HEADSCARVES WITH PT GEAR
67) REPLACE REFLECTIVE ?V? ON BACK OF PT JACKET WITH AF SYMBOL
68) REMOVE ELASTIC WAIST BAND ON PT JACKET
69) CREATION OF MATERNITY PT UNIFORM
70) ALLOW RETIRED/CIVILIAN MEMBERS TO WEAR PT GEAR WITHOUT
REGARD TO GROOMING STANDARDS
71) AUTHORIZE BEARD/GOATEE WITH SAME INTENT AS MUSTACHE;
NEATLY TRIMMED AND TASTEFUL
72) WEAR OF SQUARE DIAMOND EARRINGS FOR FEMALE AIRMEN
73) ALLOW AIRMEN STATIONED OVERSEAS TO HAVE DOUBLE THE HAIR
LENGTH AND BULK CURRENTLY AUTHORIZED
74) RESTRICT FINGERNAIL LENGTH TO NO LONGER THAN TIP OF FINGER
75) REVISIT SUPPLEMENTAL CLOTHING ALLOWANCE PAYMENT TO
INDIVIDUALS IN SPECIAL DUTY POSITIONS NO LONGER REQUIRED
ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE DUE TO LOW MAINTENANCE OF ABU
76) AUTHORIZE AIRMEN TO WEAR EARNED SISTER SERVICE
PATCHES/BADGES ON ABU WHEN OPERATING WITH SISTER SERVICES

6. THIS MESSAGE PROVIDES CSAF APPROVED CHANGES TO CURRENT AIR FORCE
UNIFORMS AND UNIFORM POLICY RESULTING FROM THE 98TH AIR FORCE VIRTUAL
UNIFORM BOARD. THE CHANGES WILL BE CODIFIED IN AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION
36-2903, DRESS AND PERSONAL APPEARANCE OF AIR FORCE PERSONNEL. ANY
QUESTIONS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH YOUR LOCAL CHAIN OF COMMAND/MAJCOM
POINTS OF CONTACT

crazypilot
06-14-2009, 22:02
I'm glad a lot of the crap was disapproved. We'll see if ACC let us wear the black boots with our ABUs. If they do, I can see Nellis AFB creating another supplement (forbiding us from doing it). That would be supplement 1,000,000,001.

Ralff
06-15-2009, 08:30
So you can't blouse your pants anymore? I prefer blousing them over tucking.


Some of the disapproved items made me laugh. :supergrin:

Glock21Owner
06-16-2009, 17:22
Does AFR35-10 still exist? I got out in 1992

DLL66
06-20-2009, 21:56
Does AFR35-10 still exist? I got out in 1992

It is now AFI 36-2903.

finz50
06-24-2009, 16:05
It's offical, what you were told is true.

Bevo1
06-24-2009, 16:18
Does AFR35-10 still exist? I got out in 1992

That's funny. I haven't heard 35-10 in 12 years.
Used to hear it every day (SP)

usafric
06-27-2009, 11:22
Just got an messagel today, that the uniform board has put on hold the tucking in of the ABU's. We are to contue blousing them until further guidance and instructions come out informing us of "how to tuck them in, while keeping a bloused appearance".

It's time I retired, stupid bloody **** they keep making up... Why not design a "utility uniform" that can be worn in combat. The ABU's are not to be worn while on a convoy in a war zone. And, they are too hot in Afghanistan and Iraq.
And, whats the deal with the PT ubiform, someone PLEASE help the uniform board out...

Nuf said.

meeko
06-27-2009, 19:27
The U.S. Air Force. 60 plus years untouched by tradition!!!!!!!!

CPT_CRUNCH
07-02-2009, 15:11
Saw this on another forum:

5. DISAPPROVALS:
A. THE FOLLOWING INITIATIVES WERE DISAPPROVED:
6) BODY SUIT STYLE SERVICE DRESS BLOUSE FOR FEMALE AIRMEN


should have approved the body suit!

TomZ
07-08-2009, 18:47
I never understood the BDU thing to begin with. In 1974 we had cotton fatigues, then Perma-Pess fatigues. Both were more pratical than BDU's. In a field, combat enviornment BDU's make sense. They don't work well on the flightline, climbing in and out of restricted spaces. All those pockets are just another place for FOD. I advocated a maintenance AFSC one-piece uniform. It makes sense for those who maintain aircraft.

wrenrj1
07-08-2009, 18:55
Being Army I always tucked in my boots. What's the problem with doing so? Hasn't the Air Force realized that blousing has been cutting off blood circulation to your brains?

Ralff
07-08-2009, 20:33
Being Army I always tucked in my boots. What's the problem with doing so? Hasn't the Air Force realized that blousing has been cutting off blood circulation to your brains?

Seems there is a reason you were Army and not AF ...

afcop724
07-09-2009, 08:02
Seems there is a reason you were Army and not AF ...


Another reason is tucking in his pt shirt or adding a pocket protector is not high on his list of concerns. I'm suprised the air force did not approve buisness suits and do away with uniforms. I swear the best part of my enlistment was spent attached to the Army.

deadday
07-09-2009, 10:40
Another reason is tucking in his pt shirt or adding a pocket protector is not high on his list of concerns. I'm suprised the air force did not approve buisness suits and do away with uniforms. I swear the best part of my enlistment was spent attached to the Army.

:wavey:

Sam White
07-09-2009, 15:31
I don't get why ABUs can't be tucked, but I was in the Army.

Also, I don't know about anyone else but I was always taught not to tie excess boot laces around the top of my boots. Apparently, this is how it's done in the AF.

Half of the folks on my base came from other services before joining the ANG, so we have an assortment of ways to wear the Air Force uniform...

Ralff
07-09-2009, 18:59
I don't get why ABUs can't be tucked, but I was in the Army.

Also, I don't know about anyone else but I was always taught not to tie excess boot laces around the top of my boots. Apparently, this is how it's done in the AF.

Half of the folks on my base came from other services before joining the ANG, so we have an assortment of ways to wear the Air Force uniform...

I tuck my laces. Don't want to bother tying them around or anything like that, and don't want them hanging free as that looks a little sloppy.

I don't see why they can't allow you to tuck your pants OR blouse them. The appearance is the same with no functional difference. I prefer to blouse personally, as it's more comfortable for me. I'm also still wearing BDU's because I'm stubborn. :supergrin: No reason to put wear on new ABU's until I have to!

geneSW
07-10-2009, 10:01
I don't see why they can't allow you to tuck your pants OR blouse them. The appearance is the same with no functional difference. I prefer to blouse personally, as it's more comfortable for me. I'm also still wearing BDU's because I'm stubborn. :supergrin: No reason to put wear on new ABU's until I have to!

Actually, according to 36-2903, page 27, number 6 on that page. " Secure BDU pant legs around or in the uppermost portion of combat boot so the fabric of the lower exposed pant leg blouses over the top edge of the combat boot."

This is no way states that the pants must actually be bloused, but that they must be secured in such a way that they go over the top edge of the boot. So if you tuck your pants into the boots and give them a blowed appearance....

TomZ
07-10-2009, 10:32
Actually, according to 36-2903, page 27, number 6 on that page. " Secure BDU pant legs around or in the uppermost portion of combat boot so the fabric of the lower exposed pant leg blouses over the top edge of the combat boot."

This is no way states that the pants must actually be bloused, but that they must be secured in such a way that they go over the top edge of the boot. So if you tuck your pants into the boots and give them a blowed appearance....


No matter how you comply with the instruction, it's hotter. It's great for keeping critters out, but irrelevant for the vast majority of Air Force personnel unless deployed to a field enviornment.

geneSW
07-10-2009, 11:57
No matter how you comply with the instruction, it's hotter. It's great for keeping critters out, but irrelevant for the vast majority of Air Force personnel unless deployed to a field enviornment.

Actually, I prefer to have them tucked in as for me this is seems to keep the heat away a little better... but ya know, i'm only in one of the hottest parts of the US. :supergrin: