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crazypilot
07-01-2009, 03:33
So I keep hearing rumors that the Army is planning on changing the ACU uniform to a multicam pattern uniform. Any truth to this?

DustyJacket
07-01-2009, 03:55
Yes, they are getting money from Congress to get the troops in Afghanistan more appropriate camo patterns. ACU ain't makin' it.

Fire_Medic
07-01-2009, 06:30
Precisely what dusty said. I read it in our news letter this past weekend at drill. Had some pictures and all.

This is the result of many requests from the soldiers over in the sand box right now. The ACU just ain't cutting it.

CPT_CRUNCH
07-01-2009, 12:01
yes another new uniform. along w/ the ASU... and they want to upgrade the ACU. hopefully they do it right the first time w/ this proposed multicam for afghanistan.

Fox
07-01-2009, 19:21
Khaki would work much better than ACU's for a desert environment, in fact khaki works better than most of the desert camoflauge patterns that I have seen used in Iraq.

DustyJacket
07-01-2009, 20:20
Did you say Khakis?


(My father in Guam right after WWII)
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tlinster
09-25-2009, 17:34
In Iraq right now and we've got some SF guys running around the base in these already. Looks good to me.

Rob_0811
09-29-2009, 07:18
In Iraq right now and we've got some SF guys running around the base in these already. Looks good to me.

I'll bet some SGM at the FOB about had a conniption fit when he saw that.

Bren
10-05-2009, 06:00
So I keep hearing rumors that the Army is planning on changing the ACU uniform to a multicam pattern uniform. Any truth to this?

We are hearing that rumor as well. Some even say it has started being issued to some units. I haven't seen it yet. Heck, I'm already wearing ACU's, Flame Resistant ACU's and Air crew ACUs - maybe next time they can make 1 uniform that works for everybody.

Here's some irony - my super-duper Army Combat Uniform is NOT authorized to be worn in combat theaters because it melts and burns to easily.

crazypilot
10-08-2009, 20:08
http://www.military.com/cs/Satellite?c=maArticle&cid=1199423031343&pagename=News%2FnwsLayout

That UCP looks ugly.

Bren
10-09-2009, 07:34
http://www.military.com/cs/Satellite?c=maArticle&cid=1199423031343&pagename=News%2FnwsLayout

That UCP looks ugly.

I've never seen camo that looks good - the question is, will it work and will I get to keep the 200 lbs. of ACU stuff I've been isued when I get the new stuff.

Reheater
10-18-2009, 19:21
We are hearing that rumor as well. Some even say it has started being issued to some units. I haven't seen it yet. Heck, I'm already wearing ACU's, Flame Resistant ACU's and Air crew ACUs - maybe next time they can make 1 uniform that works for everybody.

Here's some irony - my super-duper Army Combat Uniform is NOT authorized to be worn in combat theaters because it melts and burns to easily.

Far to expensive to issue one uniform that has the flame resistant aspects required in certain fields and also has to be inspected and replaced on a 6 month average. Think about it, how many Garrison POGs will never really need to worry about burning to death in a Bradley or a Hawk. Much cheaper as the Army see's it to just issue those guys the Normal cheap uniform and save the gucci gear for the people that need it.

What they really need to stop doing is trying to put the cammo pattern on our gear so we can use it after the uniform changes patterns again in 6-10 years.

Bren
10-27-2009, 20:10
Far to expensive to issue one uniform that has the flame resistant aspects required in certain fields ....

Nobody, including mail clerks and S1 guys, is allowed to wear the regular issue ACU's in a combat theater. Since just about everybody goes to a combat theater, I don't think it's a money saving thing. I've been back in the Army reserve for 2 years and have been issued 12 combat uniforms (6 sets of ACUs - drill sergeant issue - 4 sets of FRACU's and 2 sets of air crew ACU's).

Bren
10-27-2009, 20:12
As far as the multi-cam ACU's - when I logged onto AKO this morning, the picture on the front was a sniper from 3rd Ranger Bn. wearing the multicam ACU. That's a pretty official source.

DriBak
10-27-2009, 20:50
I'm showing my age, I wore DCU's in Iraq :whistling:

Reheater
10-28-2009, 06:21
Nobody, including mail clerks and S1 guys, is allowed to wear the regular issue ACU's in a combat theater. Since just about everybody goes to a combat theater, I don't think it's a money saving thing. I've been back in the Army reserve for 2 years and have been issued 12 combat uniforms (6 sets of ACUs - drill sergeant issue - 4 sets of FRACU's and 2 sets of air crew ACU's).

But they dont wear it in garrison do they.

Bren
10-29-2009, 04:40
But they dont wear it in garrison do they.

If by garrison you mean back in the U.S., no. If, by Garrison you mean on the FOB, yes - regular ACU's are not allowed to be worn anywhere in Afghanistan.

Reheater
10-29-2009, 09:07
If by garrison you mean back in the U.S., no. If, by Garrison you mean on the FOB, yes - regular ACU's are not allowed to be worn anywhere in Afghanistan.

Im talking about anywhere outside the combat theatre.

Central Texan
11-06-2009, 17:22
If by garrison you mean back in the U.S., no. If, by Garrison you mean on the FOB, yes - regular ACU's are not allowed to be worn anywhere in Afghanistan.

When did that change? I was in A-stan 06-07, I was a door gunner so wore flightsuits anyways, but all the other folks wore regualr ACU's....untill the 82nd rolled in, their flight crews wore the flight ACU's.

Anyway I'm showing my age too, I wore DCU's in Iraq (just before the change to ACU's...our replacing unit wore ACU's) and tan flight suits in A-stan (again the replacing unit wore ACU flight suits).

Funny thing about the ACU in A-stan, while coming in for a landing to pick up grunts outside the FOB they would stand out like soar thumbs unless on/near gravel or rocks.

Who cares how ugly the uniform is, as long as it does it's job so we can do ours.

Bren
11-07-2009, 02:05
When did that change? I was in A-stan 06-07, I was a door gunner so wore flightsuits anyways, but all the other folks wore regualr ACU's....untill the 82nd rolled in, their flight crews wore the flight ACU's.

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Who cares how ugly the uniform is, as long as it does it's job so we can do ours.

Nit sure when it changed, but now the standard is FRACU's - look the same as regular ACUs but are flame retardent and have a little square of nylon sewn to the cuff so you can tell it's the right uniform. We also wear air crew uniforms - the 2-piece ACU ones - but I don't know how widespread those are among non-aircrews.

It doesn't matter about ugly - the uniform just doesn't do anything very well. If we have to have a garrison utility uniform and a combat uniform, we might as well issue the old green fatiques back in the US - at least they looked good.

gsr
11-09-2009, 14:43
I wore BDUs when I was out in the desert. Eventually, each member of my unit got 1 set of chocolate chip DCUs, after the cease fire.

Bren
11-10-2009, 02:27
Today I saw an article posted on the door outside my 1SG's office saying the new multi-cam uniforms are coming. I don't have room for any more uniforms, but I guess I can mail some home. In the last 2 years, I think I've been issued 12 ACU uniforms (ACU, FRACU and flight crew ACU) and bought 3 more before I got most of those, not to mention all the other ACU cold weather gear, combat shirts, etc. Figures they'll get rid of it now.

Reheater
11-10-2009, 09:23
Anybody wanna take a guess how much those ninja suit polypro's cost the Army before they realized "Oh ***** .... these melt in vehicle fires like nobodys buisness."

XPLSV
11-16-2009, 00:39
The interesting historical backside of the ACUs: when under development, the Army was originally looking to procure three different patterns for the uniforms and they would then be issued dependent upon the theater. Regular updates were posted on the PM-Soldier website. Then, suddenly, an OMG moment hit at the PM shop and they discovered that one pattern could do it all. They actually posted this on the PM-Soldier website. Common sense dictates it was a money saving decision...but you wouldn't find that answer coming out of any official channels.

Another side note: the USMC was working on their new uniform at the same time as the Army. There used to be a statemetn on the PM-Soldier website that black was eliminated from the Army patterns being tested because it gave easy evidence of motion. All of the scientific studies, supposedly, backed this up. A couple months after reading this, I saw the first new USMC uniforms on the gate guards at Henderson Hall. I'm sure the USMC was using all the latest scientific advances, too...but, they had black in their patterns! Go figure!

So...now the Army is back to realizing/admitting that a different pattern might be better for a different theater of operations...guess it is a good thing for common sense to prevail. I have a couple ACU's that I bought right before my retirement...they've mostly served duty as hunting clothing for the past couple of years. However, due to loss of my job, I'm about to head over to Afghanistan for a contractor position and guess what is on the clothing list? ACU's. Not for all contractors, but depends upon position/assignment, etc. As retirees are not authorized to purchase ACU's at clothing sales, the general directions were to find some place like Ranger Joes. I was suprised to read the comments here that ACUs are not authorized in Afghanistan (non-flame retardant...probably not applicable to contractors, if that is the policy).

Couldn't care too much what I wear. I don't particularly like the fact I can legally carry concealed or go with open carry here in Colorado...yet I am not allowed to bring/procure a personal firearm in the CENTCOM theater of operations. Only "authorized' way is to be issued by the contracting company.

XPLSV