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BOGE
07-23-2009, 04:08
Internet scuttlebutt is that Norinco outsourced to Tisaş in Turkey as en "end run" around the gun ban. Here's the gun on Tisaş's website:

http://www.trabzonsilah.com/english/index.php?link=zigm1911_siyah

And here's one for sale:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=133914337

bac1023
07-23-2009, 04:34
Internet scuttlebutt is that Norinco outsourced to Tisaş in Turkey as en "end run" around the gun ban. Here's the gun on Tisaş's website:

http://www.trabzonsilah.com/english/index.php?link=zigm1911_siyah

And here's one for sale:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=133914337

I did see the 1911s are their site, but didn't know Norinco was behind it.

Good news. Norc 1911s are built very well.

cowboywannabe
07-23-2009, 04:55
lotsa folks act snobbish when it comes to 1911s, but the facts are that many "outsiders" can build a quality 1911 for a lot less than many "insiders" and that hurts many-a-ego.

will it shoot 1/4" groups at 25 yards/meters? no. will it shoot "combat accurate" at that distance? yes.

bac1023
07-23-2009, 05:12
lotsa folks act snobbish when it comes to 1911s, but the facts are that many "outsiders" can build a quality 1911 for a lot less than many "insiders" and that hurts many-a-ego.

will it shoot 1/4" groups at 25 yards/meters? no. will it shoot "combat accurate" at that distance? yes.


The only foreign 1911 I really have an issue with is Taurus. I'm not big on Para either, but they're better than Taurus.

That said, I'm not sure any are actually better than American built 1911s.

Two types of handguns we can build very well in this country are 1911s and revolvers. After that, the rest of the world has us beat, IMO.

glock2740
07-23-2009, 07:24
I can't beleive I ever parted with my Norinco:crying:It was my first 1911 and also my first .45ACP of any kind. Wish I could get it back.

Gary1911A1
07-23-2009, 08:37
I did see the 1911s are their site, but didn't know Norinco was behind it.

Good news. Norc 1911s are built very well.

I think this will depend on how well trained the workers are who assemble them. I bet the parts come to Turkey to be assembled and finished there. I'll wait to see one and/or read good reports on the forums from people I respect before I buy one.

tango44
07-23-2009, 09:44
So is made in China by Norinco and assembled in Turkey by Tisas???
Or how´s the deal?
Looks fine by me I wonder if Wilson parts will fit?
Thank you.

BOGE
07-23-2009, 10:08
I've owned two Norinco 1911's in my life so far and both were 100% reliable with anything you threw at it.

Does anyone remember the article in a gunrag sometime back (American Rifleman?) on the factory in Turkey making the new Armalite 9mm handguns? They had great photos and said the plant was state of the art with all new Japanese CNC eqpmt. Hell, even Colt didn't have that until of recent. :whistling:

MD357
07-23-2009, 10:42
Norincos are a better 1911 for the money than any platform under Colt IMHO. No MIM, good steel, HC'ed barrel. Only bad part is that their steel is tougher than their mills. :supergrin: Mine looks like it was machined with a spork on the inside.

I wonder if they'll bring over the whole platform and we can get some 9mms and some commander models like the Canadians.

bac1023
07-23-2009, 10:53
So is made in China by Norinco and assembled in Turkey by Tisas???


That seems to be the case, but who knows. :dunno:

mboylan
07-23-2009, 19:02
Wasn't there an executive order by Bush in 2003 banning all Norinco products (firearms or not)? Thought it was due to human rights abuses.

Substance-P
07-23-2009, 19:10
Norincos are a better 1911 for the money than any platform under Colt IMHO. No MIM, good steel, HC'ed barrel. Only bad part is that their steel is tougher than their mills. :supergrin: Mine looks like it was machined with a spork on the inside.

I wonder if they'll bring over the whole platform and we can get some 9mms and some commander models like the Canadians.

That'd be great. I would love a Norinco in 9mm.

I'd also like one in .45 as just a good solid 1911 to add to the collection.

Looking forward to hear about people's experience with these "new" Norincos.

ravenkeeper98
07-23-2009, 19:15
I wonder if they'll bring over the whole platform and we can get some 9mms and some commander models like the Canadians.

I have 2 Norinco Compact 1911s, and not Canadian:supergrin:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/ravenkeeper98/P3061932.jpg

My regular gunshop I shopped at in New Mexico had scored a deal through his distributer. He had ordered a few early. In fact he just beat Clinton's ban on Chinese firearms by just a few weeks. And since the order was placed before the ban, they were still allowed in the U.S. I bought one right away for $368. He had 2 in his shop. 6 months later, he still had the other one there. I mentioned I was surprized that the other one was still there. He said he has already raised the price to $468 and he did have someone in earlier that was interested in it, but left to figure out if he had the money for it. So I told him I'd take it. One I have done some nice upgrades, the other, still is brand new, never shot.

M1A Shooter
07-23-2009, 20:27
hopefully this will bleed over to the m14s also. id love to get them for the canadian prices.

jrs93accord
07-24-2009, 09:19
I found the IAC Regent 1911 at a shop in Scottsdale, AZ (US Autoweapons) that has it for $448. So, I broke down and ordered one. I figured, what the heck. Once I receive it, it may still be a few weeks before I can go shoot it. I just had back surgery a week ago and I will not be able to do a few things for a few more weeks. I will be able to give an asthetic view of the 1911 though.

Glockdude1
07-24-2009, 09:25
I hope Norinco could do the same thing with the semi-auto AK-47's.

I know, it's a long shot.

:supergrin:

Gary1911A1
07-24-2009, 09:41
I found the IAC Regent 1911 at a shop in Scottsdale, AZ (US Autoweapons) that has it for $448. So, I broke down and ordered one. I figured, what the heck. Once I receive it, it may still be a few weeks before I can go shoot it. I just had back surgery a week ago and I will not be able to do a few things for a few more weeks. I will be able to give an asthetic view of the 1911 though.

Hope your back heals well and yes, give use a range report when you can. Do the parts appear to be fitted well?

tango44
07-24-2009, 10:09
I found the IAC Regent 1911 at a shop in Scottsdale, AZ (US Autoweapons) that has it for $448. So, I broke down and ordered one. I figured, what the heck. Once I receive it, it may still be a few weeks before I can go shoot it. I just had back surgery a week ago and I will not be able to do a few things for a few more weeks. I will be able to give an asthetic view of the 1911 though.

I hope you get well soon, in the meantime maybe you can share some pics with us when you get it, I will love to see those before go out and start my search for one.

Thank you.:wavey:

DriBak
07-26-2009, 20:07
Would also like to see pics.
Ditto on the back.
What did you have? Lami, fusion ?

gconan
07-26-2009, 21:03
Wasn't there an executive order by Bush in 2003 banning all Norinco products (firearms or not)? Thought it was due to human rights abuses.


No. I was clint0n that did it in a deal for China to enter the world trade organazation. Executive order I believe.

Cobra64
07-26-2009, 22:00
I can't beleive I ever parted with my Norinco:crying:It was my first 1911 and also my first .45ACP of any kind. Wish I could get it back.
No worries. All is well with your 9 Glocks. :)

custom2
07-26-2009, 23:26
Anyone notice the oversized barrel bushing on these yet? I wonder how they perform? They dont have a flared or lowered ejection port either. Maybe I should buy one to practice on?

mboylan
07-27-2009, 09:14
No. I was clint0n that did it in a deal for China to enter the world trade organazation. Executive order I believe.

Clinton did the initial on arms and ammo from China. I'm pretty sure Bush did a ban on all Norinco products in 2003 by executive order.

gconan
07-27-2009, 16:08
Clinton did the initial on arms and ammo from China. I'm pretty sure Bush did a ban on all Norinco products in 2003 by executive order.

I am certain that he did not. In fact that is slander of our former President who made sure the Assualt Weapons Ban expired, may God bless George W. Bush !

mboylan
07-27-2009, 16:26
I am certain that he did not. In fact that is slander of our former President who made sure the Assualt Weapons Ban expired, may God bless George W. Bush !

Yeah, he did. Federal Register May 23, 2003.

Brutus Fullman
08-02-2009, 23:23
Anyone notice the oversized barrel bushing on these yet? I wonder how they perform? They dont have a flared or lowered ejection port either. Maybe I should buy one to practice on?

I won the auction on the Norinco/Regent linked earlier in this thread and picked it up from my FFL on my way to work today. Haven't taken the time to field strip and clean it yet but on cursory inspection I can tell you the ejection port is lowered but not flared and, compared to my Springfield Loaded, the slide/frame fit may be fractionally closer. Pictures and details to follow as time allows.

Gary1911A1
08-03-2009, 10:39
I won the auction on the Norinco/Regent linked earlier in this thread and picked it up from my FFL on my way to work today. Haven't taken the time to field strip and clean it yet but on cursory inspection I can tell you the ejection port is lowered but not flared and, compared to my Springfield Loaded, the slide/frame fit may be fractionally closer. Pictures and details to follow as time allows.

I glad someone on a forum I belong to won the bid. I won't ask how much although if you to share that too it's fine.:cool: I would like to hear a range report on it. I do hope it was assembled at least as well as the chinese ones were. Please let us know.

cowboywannabe
08-03-2009, 10:54
ive recently pick up a nice Para P14 Signature with some nice extras......and the only reason i have it in the firearms section is because i cant get used to a double stack 1911.....would gladly trade it for a single stack from the same company.....

MD357
08-03-2009, 11:14
lotsa folks act snobbish when it comes to 1911s, but the facts are that many "outsiders" can build a quality 1911 for a lot less than many "insiders" and that hurts many-a-ego.

will it shoot 1/4" groups at 25 yards/meters? no. will it shoot "combat accurate" at that distance? yes.

To put things in perspective.... the "outsiders" have the advantage of extremely cheap labor. :cool:

cowboywannabe
08-03-2009, 11:31
yes, cheap labor....but not cheap quality.

i dont expect the big boys who pay $30/hr or more to their employees to be able to compete with the kids around the corner paying $5/hr American.

i do own two Seecamp .32s because i feel they are the best quality pocket mini-auot on the market...so its not that i have a thing against the higher costing guns. i could have bought four Kel-tek .32s for the same price...

MD357
08-03-2009, 13:10
yes, cheap labor....but not cheap quality.

True.... heck, SA and Kimber would probably charge the same price even if it were located somewhere else.... like Brazil.

deMontacute
08-03-2009, 13:20
I am certain that he did not. In fact that is slander of our former President who made sure the Assualt Weapons Ban expired, may God bless George W. Bush !

Yeah, he did. Federal Register May 23, 2003.
PWND! :rofl: Good job mboylan

http://www.nti.org/db/china/engdocs/frsanc_0503.htm

It was only a two year ban. But he definitely singled Norinco out...

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THIS PART "NORINCO provided missile technology to Iran...."

BTW Bush, had nothing to do with the expiring of the AWB. That was all in Congress' hands.

mboylan
08-03-2009, 15:25
PWND! :rofl: Good job mboylan

http://www.nti.org/db/china/engdocs/frsanc_0503.htm

It was only a two year ban. But he definitely singled Norinco out...

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THIS PART "NORINCO provided missile technology to Iran...."

Bush, had nothing to do with the expiring of the ban. That was all in Congress' hands.

Thanks for answering my original question. I did not find out if the ban was renewed or not.

jrs93accord
08-03-2009, 18:31
Well guys, here are the pics I promised when I got my Regent 1911.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/DSC00803.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/DSC00804.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/DSC00805.jpg

I am very impressed so far. Fit and finish is fantastic. Nice smooth machining and the matte black finish is superb. I do not care too much for the plastic grips (I prefer wood), but they will do. The slide and receiver fit is perfect. No slop anywhere. Hopefully in a few weeks, I can get you guys a good range report.

Gary1911A1
08-04-2009, 04:00
Thanks jrs93accord, I'm looking forward to your range report. I like the improved thumb safety. Mine had an older military style. The port on your doesn't look like it was lowered much. I agree on the plastic grips. Mine are like cheese graters. I'd put some wood on it before even firing it. Have a great range day!

gconan
08-04-2009, 14:58
BTW Bush, had nothing to do with the expiring of the AWB. That was all in Congress' hands.

Bush had everthing to do with it. Yes, so did a pro-Second Congress. But, you did not hear the democrat's hollering for him to push for renewal? I did. He agreed with the NRA to let it expire. What, you did not here the gorgon (al Gore) whining about THE NRA/BUSH deal? I did. When gunowners refuse to support pro Second Amendment People it is a sad day. Bush rejected those liberals (who are really socialist) who were whinning for him to support it. There is a reason THE NRA backed BUSH. TRY to read the truth sometime, and give credit where credit is do. Your naive/erroneous comment does the anti's well, and discredits People willing to stand for THE SECOND AMENDMENT. In this case it was The former President of The United States of America.

Who is the only Attorney General since befor nixon to recognize the 2nd Amendment is an individual Right? John Aschroft. Who appointed him?

deMontacute
08-04-2009, 15:39
Bush had everthing to do with it. You did not hear the democrat's hollering for him to push for renewal? I did. He agreed with the NRA to let it expire. What, you did not here the gorgon (al Gore) whining about THE NRA/BUSH deal? I did. When gunowners refuse to support pro Second Amendment People it is a sad day. Bush rejected those liberals (who are really socialist) who were whinning for him to support it. There is a reason THE NRA backed BUSH. TRY to read the truth sometime, and give credit where credit is do. Your naive/erroneous comment does the anti's well, and discredits People willing to stand for THE SECOND AMENDMENT. In this case it was The former President of The United States of America.

Who is the only Attorney General since befor nixon to recognize the 2nd Amendment is an individual Right? John Aschroft. Who appointed him?Don't presume to lecture me as if I were the naive one. Obviously I was paying attention during the last 10 years and you weren't. For example


"The president supports the current law (the Clinton gun ban), and he supports reauthorization of the current law." - Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan

"unrestricted private ownership of guns clearly threatens the public safety, the Second Amendment can be interpreted to allow a variety of gun restrictions." - U.S. Solicitor General Paul D. Clement appointed by Bush

Bush appointee Judge Reggie B. Walton, of the D.C. District Court, tells us that the Second Amendment is not an individual right in Seegars v. Ashcroft.

The Bush Administration opposed Supreme Court review of U.S. v. Emerson, with Assistant U.S. Attorney William B. Majeta claiming in open court that there is no individual Constitutional right to own firearms

And lets not forget Bush saying several times that he would sign the AWB "if it crosses my desk"...


Please, the man was no friend to semi-auto rifle owners, and only a fool would think it was due to him that CONGRESS allowed the ban to expire. Did he gets somethings right when it came to guns? Sure, but it was always a mixed bag, and for every time he was willing to support us, he made sure to put one in our back soon after...

I'm not going to respond to this thread again, as this is entirely off topic to the OP.

gconan
08-04-2009, 16:50
Don't presume to lecture me as if I were the naive one.

I Apologize.

deMontacute
08-04-2009, 17:05
I Apologize.
No problem. Lets just drop it. This forum is about 1911s, and all of that is water under the bridge anyway. Unfortunately we as a community have much rougher sailing ahead, and we don't need to be bickering over petty differences in the past. :wavey:

BTW I appologize too. I realize my tone may have been harsher than it should have...

Brian Brazier
08-04-2009, 22:13
I may have to pick one of those up (if I can find one) I have been wanting a basic GI style 1911 that dosent have a ton of roll marks or stamping under the dust cover

beasleydano
08-05-2009, 19:58
I checked with several dealers and ended up making a deal online with a dealer in Reno, NV for a NIB IAC Regent R100 for $430 shipped.

jrs93accord
08-05-2009, 19:59
That is a really good price.

jrs93accord
08-05-2009, 20:01
Here is a pic with my IAC Regent and my Chinese Norinco together.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/DSC00810.jpg

Pardon my sweat on the grip of the Regent.

beasleydano
08-05-2009, 20:15
That is a really good price.

I did not see the auction that Brutus Fulman won until it was posted here. I am familiar with this seller since I had just bought a NIB Legacy Citadel from this same seller for $479 shipped so I e-mailed him about a IAC. He did not have another but said he could order for $489 shipped so after a little checking I lucked up!

beasleydano
08-05-2009, 20:19
They are both great looking pistols! I bought a Norinco for CHEAP when they first came into the US and proceeded to turn it into a race gun. I regret that I did not keep it stock.

wavetrain75
08-05-2009, 20:28
I won the auction on the Norinco/Regent linked earlier in this thread ...Pictures and details to follow as time allows.

Yes, please.

$420 +/- for a serviceable 1911 would mean adding one to my collection by the end of the year. Always wanted one but they were always just out of my price range.

Awaiting your review.

beasleydano
08-08-2009, 15:17
In anticipation of receiving my new IAC Regent R100 and surfing the net for info I came across a nice looking used Norinco for $380 shipped. I have been having withdrawal symptons from selling some 1911s recently. These will help ease the pain.

1006
08-08-2009, 18:28
The frames of the old verses the new appear to be machined differently. The new one has the look of the blocky Springfield frame from Brasil.

beasleydano
08-08-2009, 20:46
The frames of the old verses the new appear to be machined differently. The new one has the look of the blocky Springfield frame from Brasil.

Very astute observation! I am wondering about the IAC Regent description of "Series 80 frame & Series 70 slide". Tisas' has a modern manufacturing plant with state of the art CNC technology but I have no clue as to whether slides/frames are forged or cast, use of MIM parts, etc. If the combination of classic design, quality materials, quality manufacturing and affordability are there, this Turkish 1911 could be a real sleeper deal!

Vegasrph
07-19-2010, 12:52
I know this is an OLD THREAD...........but I just won a IAC Regent r100 1911 off GunBroker.com for $316 + shipping!! When I called to make the payment over the phone, the dealer said most of these go for $370-$400 during the auctions!!! Looks like I got a smokin' deal!!

Can't wait to see it. Now, I have a 1911 that I can play around with and didn't cost me $500+

Sweet!!