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CarlosC
08-18-2009, 14:53
Have you guys tried getting help to identify the magazine that came with your AK?

This is one subject that comes up and has always fascinated me. And just when I think I have it down pat, someone comes along and shows me a variation I was not aware of, or corrects my information.

Anyway, I am going to take a stab at it to help all of us. Most of these are from my personal collection. If you guys have anything to add or any corrections, please share.

Alright, enough gab. Let's get to business...

Here are 30-round AK magazines from nine different countries. While all look the same, there are differences is the original finish, the stamps along the ribs, construction, followers, bottom retainers, welds, the number of ribs, types of ribs, and the depression lines and how they terminate that help identify the origin. Even within the same country, there will be differences, such as the Russians using factory logos for Ishevsk or Tula or "M" for Molot. Magazines also vary depending on whether they were originally designed for the AK-47 or AKM in the same country.

These are my accepted examples (always subject to change), but there are those that know far more than I do and may be able to point out other things or mistakes. My collection is definitely not all-inclusive. Be sure to click on the individual pictures to see them larger.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00869.jpg

Here is a Bulgarian that I unwrapped brand new. Notice the termination of the depression right below where I penciled "BUL". It cuts up at 45 degrees before ending.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00870.jpg

Here is a Chinese flat back. Note two ribs on the bottom. Compare these ribs to those of the Yugo mag.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00871.jpg
And the telltale give-away.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00872.jpg

Egyptian, brand new from Copes Distributing. I have also seen older Egyptian mags stamped "Made In Egypt" too.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00873.jpg

CarlosC
08-18-2009, 14:53
East German. East German mags are nicely blued and crisp in the ribs. Also look at the extensive spot welding along the spine and how equidistant the welds are.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00874.jpg

Hungarian and its "C2" stamp. Variations include "2" or "20". My Hungarian 20-round mags all have "20" except one is also marked "C2".
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00875.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00876.jpg

Polish and its circle "11" stamp. Also notice how the depression below where I penciled "POL" turns 90 degrees before ending.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00877.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00878.jpg

CarlosC
08-18-2009, 14:54
Romanian and a simple "0" with a line. Some just have a "0", some have nothing.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00879.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00880.jpg
Hungarian. Circle "M" and notice the end of the spine, which is square unlike other magazines that end at a 45 degree angle.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00881.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00883.jpg

CarlosC
08-18-2009, 14:54
Finally, Yugoslavian. Note the two ribs along the bottom, but a full spine. Also, when compared to the Chinese, the lower rib on the Yugo mag nearly touched the bottom plate, while the Chinese is higher.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00884.jpg
And of course, the unique follower. Yugo on the left, Russian (and most others) on the right.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00885.jpg

Actually, let me add more...

Croatian/Bosnian. Some have what looks like the boyscout symbol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/CroatianBosnianAK-47.jpg

Here are three Russian Izhevsk with the easily identifiable full arrow in the triangle logo below the middle rib.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/RussiansteelAK-473.jpg
and an old Russian aluminum "waffle" mag.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/RussianaluminumwaffleAK-47.jpg

engineer151515
08-18-2009, 14:55
Good info.

Thanks

CarlosC
08-18-2009, 15:16
You're welcome. Here are better pictures highlighting exactly what I mean by the Chinese magazine not having a spine as compared to the Yugoslavian magazine.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00886.jpg
...and another picture of the spine area along with the two ribs at the bottom. Both magazines have only two ribs but note the location. The Chinese ribs also extend further to the front of the magazine, while the Yugo ribs are pretty much confined to the larger, flat area.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/DSC00887.jpg
I just want to point something out here...there are magazines for sale from some distributors listed as either Chinese or Yugoslavian, but are actually neither and you must ask or read the ad carefully. If you are trying to keep your magazines as original as possible, be on the lookout for "Chugos" which are magazines made by combining Yugo and Chinese parts in an attempt to simply sell magazines.

Serb
08-18-2009, 19:18
Extremely iinformative and useful post that requires a sticky. Thanks, Carlos!

Please let me add that Hungarian magazines normally have the "02" stamp, which was the country's Warsaw Pact designation number. You'll even find this stamped on almost every part of older M44 Mosin's from Hungary. Some mags also come with a "D" or "M" stamp as well. About half of my 20 round magazines from Hungary lack the "02", but have either a "D" or "M". "Man in the Moon" stamps can be found on some of these as well, but like the "02", this is not consistent.

What has stumped me most often has been distinguishing Romanian from Polish mags. Both have the 90 degree turn (as you indicated), yet often do not have the "11" (Polish) or "0" (Romanian) stamps. Have you been able to identify any other unique traits that can help differentiate these mags?

Thanks again, Carlos. You work is amazing, and much appreciated.

Serb

CarlosC
08-18-2009, 19:38
What has stumped me most often has been distinguishing Romanian from Polish mags. Both have the 90 degree turn (as you indicated), yet often do not have the "11" (Polish) or "0" (Romanian) stamps. Have you been able to identify any other unique traits that can help differentiate these mags?

Serb

In fact, I have.

The Romanians have glaring spot welds on the tabs that the Polish mags don't. This is the only way I know of to differentiate between the two.

Romanian
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/Romanian3.jpg
Polish
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/Polish3.jpg

I just wanted to add this picture from AIM's website that backs up what I said about the Romanian magazines. Notice the spot weld.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/magak47big.jpg

Aceman
08-18-2009, 20:44
And - do you have any preferences? I personally have been driven mainly by what fits best in any given gun...and other than lack of rust/rattles etc....don't really care as they have all seemed to more or less work - much like the guns themselves! Currently I have some Romanian, some Bulgarian, some Hungarian, some Tapco Intrafuse, some Promags maybe a couple of other nationalities - none of them cause me any trouble, but Promag/Tapco work better in my Romy's mag well.

Serb
08-18-2009, 20:58
Once again, Carlos unveils the mystery. Thanks! I never noticed the spot weld differences.

I forgot to add that some of my Romanian mags display a "22" stamp as well as the "0" stamp. One has them both on the spine; others only display one of the two; still others have no stamps at all.

For me, nothing is nicer for 7.62 than an East German mag. The quality of the metal work and blueing, as Carlos pointed out, is exemplary and stands out from the others. :)

Serb

lilc
08-18-2009, 21:29
Very useful and interesting information. Thanks! :wavey:

CarlosC
08-18-2009, 22:08
And - do you have any preferences?

Not really, other than I prefer metal mags for AK-47s and AKMs. I don't like the look of polymer on the older guns, but I do recognize the obvious advantages of polymer over steel. On AK-74s, I prefer polymer over steel however. I do like knowing my AKs have magazines from their original countries.

It's just me and my peculiar tastes.

DJ Niner
08-19-2009, 01:06
Extremely iinformative and useful post that requires a sticky. Thanks, Carlos!

(snip)Added to the Sticky thread titled "Resources/links for AK owners/users..."


More great info, well-presented (as usual). Allow me to add my thanks as well, CarlosC.

mrmedina
08-19-2009, 06:54
Not really, other than I prefer metal mags for AK-47s and AKMs. I don't like the look of polymer on the older guns, but I do recognize the obvious advantages of polymer over steel. On AK-74s, I prefer polymer over steel however. I do like knowing my AKs have magazines from their original countries.

It's just me and my peculiar tastes.

Great minds think alike:cool:

artert3
08-19-2009, 10:37
Hello All,
I am a newer member here, and I would just like to express my great appreciation for Carlos' knowledge, and help with the AK platform. He never tries to belittle you even if he's answered your question to a hundred other's before you. He has responded to my private messages promptly, and with great detail! I think I can speak for most all here that his help has benefited this site, and it's members immensely. Thank You Again Mr. Carlos C.

fnfalman
08-19-2009, 11:40
Definitely a great thread. Thanks for all the efforts going into research & photos. Some of the NORINCO mags are also easily identifiable via their chrome followers and the obvious bluing finish to the mag body as opposed to military parkerize finish or black painted finish.

CarlosC
08-19-2009, 12:30
Definitely a great thread. Thanks for all the efforts going into research & photos. Some of the NORINCO mags are also easily identifiable via their chrome followers and the obvious bluing finish to the mag body as opposed to military parkerize finish or black painted finish.

You're quite right about the Norincos (actually, Polytechs) with chrome followers, and they are prized. There are other unique Chinese mags too like the ones with a stamped plate at the top.

My original intention was to do a quick post that covers the most common magazines you and I will see, but I see I am going to have to expand this thanks to your inputs and those of the other GT AK enthusiasts.

I am in the process of gathering more photos from other sources and I'll continue updating once I have saved the photos and added the photographers' credits to each.

CarlosC
08-19-2009, 13:11
Okay, here's an update and more info to muddy the waters further. fnfalman, here are the mags you spoke of..

Chinese Polytech with the chrome follower
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/PolyTechchromefollower1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/PolyTechchromefollower2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/PolyTechchromefollower3.jpg

Chinese with the stamped side plate
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/ChineseStampedSidePlate.jpg

Here are original Egyptian with "Made In Egypt" stamps on the side plate
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/Egyptian1.jpg

CarlosC
08-19-2009, 13:14
Some more Russian:

Russian slab side
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/Russianslabside1.jpg

A nice picture of a Russian aluminum waffle
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/RussianAluminumWaffle1.jpg

Russian Izshevsk with the "Arrow in Triangle" stamp on the side rib
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/RussiansteelAK-474.jpg

Russian Izshevsk with the stamp on the spine
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/RussiansteelAK-47StampedSpine.jpg

Bosnian/Croatian two-rib (unknown original photographer)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/CroatianBosnianAK-47-1.jpg

CarlosC
08-19-2009, 13:27
Bosnian/Croatian Fleur de Lys
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/FleurdeLys1.jpg

Bosnian/Croatian single side rib
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/BosniansingleRibPost1.jpg

Hungarian "Man on the Moon" stamp that Serb talked about
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/HungarianCresentMoon.jpg

I collected these pics long ago, so I do not know who the original photographers are for these next two, but I am more than willing to give them credit if anyone knows.

A nice East German sample. While this one has been refinished, again notice the crisp stamps and overall workmanship.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/EastGerman1.jpg

and two nice Polish magazines. Notice the absence of obvious welds on the side plates.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/Polish1.jpg

fnfalman
08-19-2009, 13:42
How about Valmet 7.62x39 mags? That would be a find and a half.

CarlosC
08-19-2009, 14:11
You're killing me.

I don't have any Valmet mags, but I do have a few pictures of them saved. They look very similar to the East German except for those floor plates. The side plates all also seem to have the five welds.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/Valmetmag1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/Valmetmag2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/Valmetmag4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Magazines/Valmetmag5.jpg

engineer151515
08-19-2009, 20:19
20 round "tanker" mags - Hungarian only?

CarlosC
08-20-2009, 02:42
20 round "tanker" mags - Hungarian only?

No, there were 20-rounders made by other countries, but the vast majority are Hungarian for their AMD-65, Automata Módosított Deszant-65.

skanless
03-16-2010, 18:16
Looking at one of my mags. On the spine it has those dot. I just noticed R Y on two dots and it skips one dot and N T B is on three other dots. Just curious to what that is. I have Chinese and Romanian mags. I thinking this is a polish mag but not to sure.

1985 4Runner
03-16-2010, 19:05
Excellent info.

CarlosC
03-18-2010, 13:30
Looking at one of my mags. On the spine it has those dot. I just noticed R Y on two dots and it skips one dot and N T B is on three other dots. Just curious to what that is. I have Chinese and Romanian mags. I thinking this is a polish mag but not to sure.

How about some closeup pics?? I'm also not sure what dots you're talking about....do you mean the spot welds?

stopatrain
03-18-2010, 15:37
WOW...Thanks! for the info.

skanless
03-18-2010, 16:07
How about some closeup pics?? I'm also not sure what dots you're talking about....do you mean the spot welds?
Sorry .......... I mean the spot welds. :embarassed: I was trying to take pics of it but the letters are so small it doesn't capture on the pic. I'll try again.

DJ Niner
02-02-2011, 00:38
Bump.

ottomatic
02-03-2011, 11:07
On the Yugo mags I noticed that the rear of the "bullet shape" on the top of the follower is straight. Would that work as a kind of "bolt hold open" mechanism, at least until the mag is removed?

CarlosC
02-03-2011, 16:44
That's what it's designed to do.

Glockdude1
02-03-2011, 20:59
2 of the "Chugo" mags I bought from Aimsurplus, came with different lugs. They lock up/work just as fine as all my other AK mags.
http://i41.tinypic.com/keesnd.jpg

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1208858

:cool:

ottomatic
02-04-2011, 09:33
That's what it's designed to do.

Now that I know that (and because I have a Yugo M70B), I would like to find some of these Yugo mags. Any sources??

BBJones
02-04-2011, 11:43
Now that I know that (and because I have a Yugo M70B), I would like to find some of these Yugo mags. Any sources??


I do not know of any sources, but expect to pay a hefty premium for that rather useless feature.

adv
02-04-2011, 11:51
Sticky this, great stuff Carlos.

CarlosC
02-04-2011, 15:15
It is actually already a sticky. There was a problem with all the posts I had done about a year ago that were basic reference materials. Basically, all the posts were suddenly locked out. I alerted DJNiner to this and he was kind enough to "refresh" some of the posts. There are still a few posts that need to be fixed from that series though.

Glocker08
02-05-2011, 15:37
Awesome thread Carlos. :cool:

I have a particular mag and was wondering about it's country of origin. According to your info, it looks like it is a Hungarian.

CarlosC
02-06-2011, 16:26
Now that I know that (and because I have a Yugo M70B), I would like to find some of these Yugo mags. Any sources??

Here you go....
http://www.copesdistributing.net/product_info.php?cPath=195_188&products_id=2983

CarlosC
:supergrin:

cole
02-07-2011, 01:32
2 of the "Chugo" mags I bought from Aimsurplus, came with different lugs. They lock up/work just as fine as all my other AK mags.
http://i41.tinypic.com/keesnd.jpg

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1208858

:cool:

I just saw one of those mags in person. Brand new it seemed, wrapped and all gooed up. Interesting. I'm, sure they work fine, but I passed.

And, I second Aim Surplus for mags. Great prices, great company.

adamg01
02-07-2011, 04:21
Now that I know that (and because I have a Yugo M70B), I would like to find some of these Yugo mags. Any sources??

Checkout www.ammunitiontogo.com. They have unissued Yugo mags. for $13.95. That seems like a pretty good deal to me.

Glockdude1
02-07-2011, 10:12
I just saw one of those mags in person. Brand new it seemed, wrapped and all gooed up. Interesting. I'm, sure they work fine, but I passed.

And, I second Aim Surplus for mags. Great prices, great company.

The two mags with the different locking lug/mag catch, (Top mag), are working perfect for me. In fact unless you are looking at the mag, while standing at the range reloading, you can't tell that mag from any other. They lock up just as tight as the others.

:thumbsup:

ottomatic
02-10-2011, 12:32
Checkout www.ammunitiontogo.com. They have unissued Yugo mags. for $13.95. That seems like a pretty good deal to me.

Thanks for the source. That is barely more than a typical (generally slightly used) price.

mac66
02-10-2011, 13:01
Great info. Thanks.

Of course now I am going to have to go down to he basement and look to see what my mags I have. I think most of them are Chinese since at one time I had 5 Chinese AKs and 10 mags per gun. Sold 4 of the 5 but kept most of the mags. I do have a SAR1 however and bought a pack of 20 round AK mags a number of years ago to go with my Saiga (the 20 rounders looked better with the Saiga)


UPDATE:

I went and looked at the mags I have readily available. I found 9, 8 of them in two mag pouches. Of the 9 two were matt black with no markings. A couple appeared to be the Romanian ones (probably came with my SAR1) with no markings. The others were blued mags with uniform welds like on the E.German mags. They had a variety of markings along the spline which included...

L H (with about an inch in between those letters)
C H (again with them separated)
Either O R or O K
P C
U B
2 K C
P C except the top of the P was cut off.

I will try and get pics if interested

cole
02-15-2011, 21:09
I have a few 40rd AK47 mags with an "A" stamp on the rib or the body. One has extra weld marks. What are these "A" stamped 40rd mags?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TVs-JV-Kl3I/AAAAAAAAEZ4/oIa0VCeSGl0/s720/AK47%2040rd%20Mags005%20%28Medium%29.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TVs-J4HpA4I/AAAAAAAAEZ8/ojrYsXJvPyQ/s912/edited-AK47%2040rd%20Mags008%20%28Large%29.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TVs-KXE0OgI/AAAAAAAAEaA/Z0dwcar9J4w/s720/AK47%2040rd%20Mags009%20%28Medium%29.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TVs-LJE2d3I/AAAAAAAAEaE/ZBAfsICwa3g/s720/AK47%2040rd%20Mags010%20%28Medium%29.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TVs-Lr3MWoI/AAAAAAAAEaI/mxUr2B7F02U/edited-AK47%2040rd%20Mags011%20%28Medium%29.jpg

Glockdude1
02-15-2011, 21:27
I have a few 40rd AK47 mags with an "A" stamp on the rib or the body. One has extra weld marks. What are these "A" stamped 40rd mags?
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TVs-J4HpA4I/AAAAAAAAEZ8/ojrYsXJvPyQ/s912/edited-AK47%2040rd%20Mags008%20%28Large%29.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TVs-KXE0OgI/AAAAAAAAEaA/Z0dwcar9J4w/s720/AK47%2040rd%20Mags009%20%28Medium%29.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TVs-LJE2d3I/AAAAAAAAEaE/ZBAfsICwa3g/s720/AK47%2040rd%20Mags010%20%28Medium%29.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TVs-Lr3MWoI/AAAAAAAAEaI/mxUr2B7F02U/edited-AK47%2040rd%20Mags011%20%28Medium%29.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TVs-NNL-wxI/AAAAAAAAEaQ/4OblG-2XoMM/s720/AK47%2040rd%20Mags013%20%28Medium%29.jpg

Looks to be Romanian.

g22od
04-16-2011, 16:17
Thanks for this thread! I'm just doing the groundwork for my post-divorce present to myself (4-5 months I am told) which will probably be an Arsenal and hopefully a side folder if they ever resupply. So I wanted to give thanks and selfishly tag this for ease of finding later on down the road. Anyone have experience with the U.S. palm mags? They seem interesting and would not look half-bad on some of the newer arsenals.

im_n2_vws
04-20-2011, 11:28
How odd are 40 round mags?

Glockdude1
04-20-2011, 12:17
How odd are 40 round mags?

Not odd, and not rare either. Just not as popular as the 30rd magazines.

:cool:

AustinTx
05-15-2011, 00:33
I couldn't believe the construction of the AK mags, when I got my first AK. I didn't think one would ever need replacing, they're so heavy. I got a WASR that had a mag with it that absolutely would not work. It must have been run over by a tank.

DJ Niner
01-07-2012, 23:03
A bump to keep it current.

oily_oink
02-02-2012, 09:39
Nice Info!:supergrin:

CGP
02-02-2012, 23:04
Here are a few more


Bulgarian clear polymer 40-round magazines

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd386/plikatok/Forum%20Pics/IMG_2859.jpg


Russian Izhmash bakelites. Mold numbers are different. Note the Cyrillic mold number on the far right

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd386/plikatok/Forum%20Pics/IMG_2860.jpg


Russian Slabside

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd386/plikatok/Forum%20Pics/IMG_2861.jpg


Bulgarian Circle 10 Waffle Mags - probably the best polymer-based magazine. Steel lined, with the double circle 10 at the bottom and distinctive waffle rib pattern

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd386/plikatok/Forum%20Pics/IMG_2862.jpg


Chinese Triangle 36 Drum - technically not a magazine but well, it's a drum magazine :)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd386/plikatok/Forum%20Pics/IMG_2863.jpg

im_n2_vws
03-12-2012, 08:18
Carlos,I have 3 40 rounders that I can't Identify with what you have posted. They have a few numbers on the face at the bottom of the ribs(3's and 4's). All of them have a star in a circle at the top of the back rib. They also have triangles with numbers inside them. They have random numbers on the back rib too. In the first pic you can see the flat part of the mag that goes into the ak has a 45 degree angle on it, not sure if that means anything or not. I noticed some of the mags you showed didn't have that. Thanks,

Danny


http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb119/im_n2_vws/100_0040.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb119/im_n2_vws/100_0041.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb119/im_n2_vws/100_0039.jpg

Patriot III
03-12-2012, 09:59
Carlos......

Thanks for taking the time and sharing your expertise.

:wavey:

CarlosC
03-12-2012, 19:53
Carlos,I have 3 40 rounders that I can't Identify with what you have posted. They have a few numbers on the face at the bottom of the ribs(3's and 4's). All of them have a star in a circle at the top of the back rib. They also have triangles with numbers inside them. They have random numbers on the back rib too. In the first pic you can see the flat part of the mag that goes into the ak has a 45 degree angle on it, not sure if that means anything or not. I noticed some of the mags you showed didn't have that. Thanks,

Danny


http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb119/im_n2_vws/100_0040.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb119/im_n2_vws/100_0041.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb119/im_n2_vws/100_0039.jpg

Hi Danny...my first guess would be Russian Tula mags. A closeup of the magazine markings would be real helpful though because I don't recall seeing any steel Tulas before.

CarlosC
03-12-2012, 19:54
Carlos......

Thanks for taking the time and sharing your expertise.

:wavey:

No problem. :supergrin: And just a reminder guys, if I don't respond to a post, just fire off a quick private message to me and I will respond.

im_n2_vws
03-13-2012, 07:17
Here you go Carlos, This is the most identifiable proof mark. They all have it in the same location.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb119/im_n2_vws/img_1576.jpg

CarlosC
03-13-2012, 19:28
Russian...made at the Vyatskie Polyany Arsenal also known as Molot. Nice find.

thecpo
03-19-2012, 20:33
Hey Guys!
I have been watching this thread for a few days now and have gotten some great info...
Now its time to post a few pics of my mags...I will try not to put repeats of what has already been posted but it might happen...
First ,a few American made Mags...
Tapco 20 and 30 in black
Tapco 30 in Coyote
and the new Tapco 30 in Bakelite

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/thecpo/AK%20Mags/Tapco.jpg

thecpo
03-19-2012, 20:42
And some from ProMag
Smoke waffle 30
Black waffle 30,20,10 and 5
and their steel 30 version

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/thecpo/AK%20Mags/Pro-Mag.jpg

thecpo
03-19-2012, 20:45
And the new U.S.Palms 30 in Black and Bakelite

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/thecpo/AK%20Mags/USPalms.jpg

thecpo
03-20-2012, 19:23
National Magazine...Hmmm...Haven't had a chance to see if they work yet....they are tack welded together to make larger mags from smaller ones...2 different 50s!! a 40 ,a 30 and a 20
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/thecpo/AK%20Mags/Patchwork.jpg

thecpo
03-20-2012, 19:27
These are my bulgarians..Slab side in Clear and Black , Circle 10 Waffle, Bullet 40 and Bullet 30

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/thecpo/AK%20Mags/Bulgarian.jpg

thecpo
03-20-2012, 19:42
Many different Chinese Mags...
1 Version of the Stamped ,another Stamped (The difference is at the top of the ribs) ,Spineless no marks
, spineless marked "Made in China" on floorplate and a 3 witness hole version marked "30RD MAGAZINE MADE IN CHINA CJA SFLD MI"

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/thecpo/AK%20Mags/Chinese.jpg

thecpo
03-20-2012, 19:46
Polish Radom in black and Transparent (not really clear)

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/thecpo/AK%20Mags/Poland.jpg

thecpo
03-20-2012, 19:50
A couple Yugos ...both have the BHO
And 1 has the Triangle Witness hole ,Very hard to find..for me anyway...

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/thecpo/AK%20Mags/Yugo.jpg

thecpo
03-20-2012, 20:09
A Hungarian 20 Spine-stamped "02"
One marked Circle M and a 30 with the
"Man in the Moon" stamp

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/thecpo/AK%20Mags/Hungarian.jpg

thecpo
03-20-2012, 20:20
3 different Valmet (Finland) Mags...
Standard green waffle ,Green Waffle with Lanyard loop
(I still need the Black Waffle...)
and Steel with Lanyard Loop

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/thecpo/AK%20Mags/Valmet-Finland.jpg

thecpo
03-20-2012, 20:26
My 3 drums
Chinese, Romanian and Korean

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/thecpo/AK%20Mags/CRK-75RD.jpg

thecpo
03-20-2012, 20:30
Thermold 47 and I think an old Tapco 10 rounder

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/thecpo/AK%20Mags/Thermold-OldTapco-5RD.jpg

thecpo
03-20-2012, 20:34
A Chinese 5 ,They call it a "Hunting Magazine"

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/thecpo/AK%20Mags/Chinese-rd.jpg

thecpo
03-20-2012, 20:36
And last (for now) American Tactical 40 and 30

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/thecpo/AK%20Mags/AmericanTactical.jpg

AustinTx
03-21-2012, 11:25
A Chinese 5 ,They call it a "Hunting Magazine"

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z205/thecpo/AK%20Mags/Chinese-rd.jpg

I have several, of these short Chinese magazines. Some hold 5 rounds and some hold 10. They're all the same size (length), though. I guess there's a block, in there. I wasn't interested enough to look inside it. AK is cool.

thecpo
03-21-2012, 18:22
Good to know..I have 2 so I will check and see if the other holds 5 or 10.
Thanks!

im_n2_vws
04-13-2012, 09:05
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb119/im_n2_vws/img_1593.jpg
Here are a few pics of the mags I got from rguns. I believe the top ones are Tula spine stamped. I believe the bottom 2 pics to be IZZY spine stamped. I odered 10 and 3 of them ended up being IZZY's and the other 7 were Tula's. They all are unissued.Not bad for $25 each IMHO. What do you guys think?
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb119/im_n2_vws/IZHMASHspinestamped30rdakmag-1.jpg

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb119/im_n2_vws/mstampnexttotheIZZYstamp-1.jpg

post-apocalyptic
04-13-2012, 17:09
Very cool. How long ago did you order those, (I thought that site stopped selling mags)?

im_n2_vws
04-13-2012, 18:02
received them 2 weeks ago.

Never Nervous
04-13-2012, 19:47
....................

iiibbb
04-19-2012, 13:17
Is there any way to ascertain the manufacture date? My brother gave me his MAK 90 years ago when we lived in the same state and he was getting stationed in Illinois. Now we live in different states and I am headed to New York in a few months.

I know the MAK90 is compliant with NY laws, and I have 3 or 4 five-rounders but I can't figure out how to tell if the 30-round mags that my brother gave me with it are legal to possess in NY (Their AWB date is September 1994).

lehigh
04-19-2012, 16:34
Is there any way to ascertain the manufacture date? My brother gave me his MAK 90 years ago when we lived in the same state and he was getting stationed in Illinois. Now we live in different states and I am headed to New York in a few months.

I know the MAK90 is compliant with NY laws, and I have 3 or 4 five-rounders but I can't figure out how to tell if the 30-round mags that my brother gave me with it are legal to possess in NY (Their AWB date is September 1994).
There is no good way to tell. A bill of sale is the only real way to tell when he got them.
Lehigh..

iiibbb
04-19-2012, 17:29
There is no good way to tell. A bill of sale is the only real way to tell when he got them.
Lehigh..

Thanks

To be safe I think I'll send them to my brother in Ohio

im_n2_vws
04-19-2012, 19:40
You need to identify what you have. And aren't most surplus steel mags pre-ban ayway? I know all the Russian ones are, evan the bakelites are.

iiibbb
04-21-2012, 17:06
You need to identify what you have. And aren't most surplus steel mags pre-ban ayway? I know all the Russian ones are, evan the bakelites are.

These are Chinese I think.

fnfalman
04-21-2012, 17:50
Hmmm...where can I get some of the Polish Radom plastic mags?

Glockdude1
04-21-2012, 18:09
Hmmm...where can I get some of the Polish Radom plastic mags?

$20

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=282082620

:cool:

im_n2_vws
04-22-2012, 08:54
These are Chinese I think.
If they are the modern chinese mags from AIM they are not pre- ban. If they say made in China or China on the floorplate, I'm pretty sure they are pre-ban.

iiibbb
04-22-2012, 14:11
If they are the modern chinese mags from AIM they are not pre- ban. If they say made in China or China on the floorplate, I'm pretty sure they are pre-ban.

China on the floorplate. I'm sure these were acquired when the rifle was purchased. The problem is proving it. I don't have any proof of anything. This rifle doesn't figure into anything for me except a range plaything on occasion.

fnfalman
04-23-2012, 19:23
$20

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=282082620

:cool:

Oops, wrong caliber.

pthomas65
04-24-2012, 16:26
Great article Carlos. I have been trying for weeks to find a page like this, never thought I would find it on Glock Talk.

eyelikeglasses
04-25-2012, 14:26
I don't have time to read the whole thread, so I may have missed this. The steel mags that came with my WASR have the triangle with upward arrow symbol that is on the receiver. Pictures later.

pthomas65
04-25-2012, 14:53
Those are Russian mags made from the Iszmsk (sp) factory. Good mags, I have a couple I use with my PolyTech

eyelikeglasses
04-25-2012, 19:05
Those are Russian mags made from the Iszmsk (sp) factory. Good mags, I have a couple I use with my PolyTech
Is this for me? Because the same symbol is on the rear trunnion(?), yet it also says Cugir Romania.
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg299/clint13bravo/423.jpg

im_n2_vws
04-25-2012, 19:12
Is this for me? Because the same symbol is on the rear trunnion(?), yet it also says Cugir Romania.
If it looks like the second picture down on this page a triangle with an arrow in it, it's a Russian IZHMASH "IZZY" mag.

eyelikeglasses
04-25-2012, 19:24
If it looks like the second picture down on this page a triangle with an arrow in it, it's a Russian IZHMASH "IZZY" mag.
Thanks for the mag answer. But what about the mark on the rifle^^^^^^:dunno:Same symbol on both.

And great thread OP.

eyelikeglasses
04-25-2012, 19:32
If it looks like the second picture down on this page a triangle with an arrow in it, it's a Russian IZHMASH "IZZY" mag.
Exact symbol.

AustinTx
04-28-2012, 17:46
Is there any way to ascertain the manufacture date? My brother gave me his MAK 90 years ago when we lived in the same state and he was getting stationed in Illinois. Now we live in different states and I am headed to New York in a few months.

I know the MAK90 is compliant with NY laws, and I have 3 or 4 five-rounders but I can't figure out how to tell if the 30-round mags that my brother gave me with it are legal to possess in NY (Their AWB date is September 1994).

The US 10 round ban required all mags made after Sept. 1994 to be marked with the manufactured date. If there ain't no date it should be legal (except certain peculiar states). Such as NY.

im_n2_vws
05-01-2012, 12:22
Is this for me? Because the same symbol is on the rear trunnion(?), yet it also says Cugir Romania.
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg299/clint13bravo/423.jpg
My guess is your front and rear trunion are russian? And your receiver is Romanian.

kahoys
05-01-2012, 17:04
tagged for reference.

eyelikeglasses
05-01-2012, 21:48
My guess is your front and rear trunion are russian? And your receiver is Romanian.
I've been searching the heck outta this, and no luck. It's a shooter though!
As an aside, I met a new local gunshop startup, who sold me my 1st 1911. He is a Detective for our SO. Anyway, it was very nice to interact with a LEO out of uniform. He has helped change my stereotype of you guys. It's great that I/anyone can learn something new everyday.

lehigh
05-02-2012, 05:07
My guess is your front and rear trunion are russian? And your receiver is Romanian.


That's a Romanian trunion. It's more like a pointer in thetriangle.
The Izzy mark is an arrow with fletching on the bottom in atriangle.
The ak in the picture looks like a parts gunthat was put together in Romania from old parts. I think it was sold as a wasr 75 or 63,can't remember right now.
Lehigh...

eyelikeglasses
05-02-2012, 14:20
It's a 63. And yes it looks like a pointer, not an arrow. Thank you for the info.

doc540
05-20-2012, 11:05
Are any of the "tanker" mags better than others?

I need a few and want good ones for car duty with the AMD-65.

im_n2_vws
05-28-2012, 13:01
How about a bump to keep it current and show off one of my latest finds. A Chinese 20 round mag for a type 68/63 rifle.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb119/im_n2_vws/100_0124.jpg

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb119/im_n2_vws/Type68with20rdmag.jpg

Glockdude1
05-28-2012, 13:15
How about a bump to keep it current and show off one of my latest finds. A Chinese 20 round mag for a type 68/63 rifle.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb119/im_n2_vws/100_0124.jpg

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb119/im_n2_vws/Type68with20rdmag.jpg

Nice find. How much would a transferable type 63/68 go for these days?

:cool:

im_n2_vws
05-28-2012, 13:28
I didn't get a rifle. Just the mag. I would be afraid to guess. I paid more for the mag than I would like to admit.

CarlosC
09-02-2012, 10:40
It's a 63. And yes it looks like a pointer, not an arrow. Thank you for the info.

That would be correct, the Izsmash arrow is noticeably different than the Romanian pointer. Here is a picture that should help. It was taken by a guy named Stottman on another website. This guy went to a Belgian museum and took hundreds of priceless reference pics. Notice how the Russian arrow is independent of the triangle it sits in and has the rear feathers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Stottman/69AKMs/1972AKMSmarkings.jpg

Here's my own Russian. You should be able to click on the pic to get a larger version.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/Rifles/Russian/DSC01105.jpg

and a Romanian pointer from an AK I rebuilt a few years ago..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/CarlosC/Guns/AIMS%20project/DSC00274.jpg

CarlosC
10-06-2012, 08:53
Bump, reminder, and info...I often get personal requests to identify mags. No problem guys, but be sure to include detailed pics (as detailed as possible) showing the markings and key areas, like the welds, stamps, ribs, and rib terminations. You don't have to post the pictures here, but instead can always email me high-res pics and I'll look at them.

Last thing...I moved to the DFW area from South Carolina a few months ago so you might be able to catch me at some of the local gun shows (I'll be at the one in Lewisville today) or at the Quail Creek range in Justin until the huge one opens up in Frisco.

CarlosC

Sniperfox
10-06-2012, 14:58
Good info:popcorn:

blackhatch46
12-08-2012, 16:15
is it true that if there are spot welds on the feed lips it is russian? i have two with no markings but are the only ones i have with spot welds on the feed lips.

Glockdude1
12-08-2012, 16:48
is it true that if there are spot welds on the feed lips it is russian? i have two with no markings but are the only ones i have with spot welds on the feed lips.

Look for any cartouches on the magazine.

Example: http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/akmag3.jpg

blackhatch46
12-08-2012, 18:43
they are steel and have zero markings. the only thing i see that sets them apart from east German or euro mags is the spot welds on the feed lips.

recon
03-03-2013, 14:20
Great info!

Brandonion1985
05-31-2013, 14:38
Hey picked up two of these mags today at a show. From your id chart I think they are Hungarian but wanted some input.

One I can see a very clear circle M stamp on the spine and on the 2nd its not so clear but I can make out an 02 stamp on the spine for sure. One with the 02 stamp has a serial # on bottom plate.

http://i.imgur.com/spcHniI.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/bAmAIg8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/haOreMI.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/VxXN7ae.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/J4r8AFu.jpg

Brandonion1985
05-31-2013, 14:55
Picked up two of these today at a show. From your guide I think they are Hungarian but just wanted to submit the pictures for a second look. One I can clearly see a circle M stamp on the spine of the mag, other I can not clearly make out if there is a M or not but I do see an 02 stamp on the spine, one with the 02 stamp has a serial # on bottom plate of mag.

http://i.imgur.com/spcHniI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bAmAIg8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/haOreMI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/J4r8AFu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VxXN7ae.jpg

Fanner50
07-17-2013, 21:54
Great thread.. Tagged for info.