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.45 guy
08-23-2009, 17:08
I am a bowhunter. I was thinking of gun hunting this year. (Whitetail) So, what would be an affective kill range,using a 3" 12Ga magnum slug for Whitetail deer? Any help would be appreciaited.

Armchair Commando
08-23-2009, 18:26
200 yards is the farthest i would shoot at a deer with my slug gun.

G36's Rule
08-23-2009, 19:16
The range at which you can reliably put the slug in a 6" circle every shot every time...

Esox357
08-23-2009, 19:51
Depends if it is scoped and your ability. 100 to 150 yards, if using a rifled barrel, scope and sabot ammo then maybe 200 but it will depend on equipment and skill. I have yet to shoot a deer over a 100 yards. 95% are killed under 50 yards, i set up for close shots. 5% are killed under 100 yards, depends on the terrain and area, you be a bow hunter should have no problem getting them into 50 yard range. Esox357

.45 guy
08-23-2009, 21:36
Esox357, yeah I see plenty of deer in the 50-70 yard range. I do shoot my 870 from time to time, and have no problem with a pie plate at 40 yards with open sights. I'm thinking of adding a scope this season. Had no idea you could kill a deer a 100 yards away with a shotgun.

Gun Shark
08-23-2009, 21:37
The range at which you can reliably put the slug in a 6" circle every shot every time...

this.

.45 guy
08-24-2009, 07:45
Thanks for the help here guys. For the next few months I'll put in more range time. I never hunted with a gun here, because I hunt public land and it's nuts. A friend of mine invited me to hunt his 40 acres of woods, so why not?

Jonesee
08-24-2009, 10:34
A lot of good answers.

Effective range is 100 yards for the novice.

Since you are trying to kill something, only shoot at a range you know you will kill it with 1 shot. Anything other than that is unethical.

Practice until you know what range you are comfortable with.

n0vember
08-24-2009, 17:54
You might want to have a look at an energy/velocity chart for slugs and rethink shooting a lot further than 100meters

vafish
08-25-2009, 06:31
It really depends upon the type of slug, barrel in your shotgun, sights, and your ability.

With a rifled barrel, sabot slugs, scope, and some practice 200 yards is very feasible.

With a smooth bore barrel, foster slugs, rifle sights and some practice 75-100 yards.

With a smooth bore barrel, foster slugs, bead sight and very little practice then 40 yards is stretching it.

And G36 is correct

The range at which you can reliably put the slug in a 6" circle every shot every time...

is the right answer.

Gun hunting is really no different from bow hunting, you still need to be able to place the shot.

.45 guy
08-25-2009, 09:14
Ability is understood. My question mostly dealt with balistics and ability to kill humanely. Believe me, from bowhunting for years, I understand shot placement and skill.

Jonesee
08-25-2009, 12:49
Ability is understood. My question mostly dealt with balistics and ability to kill humanely. Believe me, from bowhunting for years, I understand shot placement and skill.


I've hunted with shotguns for years. My answer remains the same. 100 yards.

Yes with the right gun and the scope mounted correctly, and knowing what the load will do, and with practice, the distance will increase. But 100 yards for the novice, and since you asked the question, I would consider you a novice. No insult intended.

For a bow hunter, a 100yards will look like an eternity anyway.

.45 guy
08-25-2009, 21:57
No insult taken. A 100 yards will look like a long long way off.

noway
08-26-2009, 21:11
this.

ditto

I have a scope slug gun and have made 3" or less shots @ 100yards "paper" targets on a bench.

What you can do in the field "reliably" and "consistent" is what counts. 200yards with 12ga slug in the field under field conditions, off hand is a stretch to say the least.

Heck I would wager a bet that a typical rifle huntering man shooting a centerfile high power rifle, would have to study that same shoot at 200yards

shot1
09-23-2009, 14:09
Number one rule in gun hunting is when possible take a rest off of something to steady your shot. As far as a shotgun slug being able to kill a deer it will kill a deer a long way off. A one ounce slug, 437.5 grs, does not have to be moving too fast to go all the way through a deer broad side. Now you being able to hit a deer at what yardage is up to you and your equipment. I have shot a couple of custom built 12 ga. slug guns that you could hit a business card at 200 yards every time from a bench rest with Lightfield slugs. But like has been said most deer are killed inside 50 yards.

gunrunner0
09-23-2009, 14:43
The range at which you can reliably put the slug in a 6" circle every shot every time...

+1 For This

mossy500camo
09-29-2009, 11:01
200 yards is the farthest i would shoot at a deer with my slug gun.

200 yrds with a slug gun? Wow! You are a better man than I. I have a Mossberg 12 ga, aftermarket rifled barrel. I really havent taken shots over maybe 50-60 yds. I get good groups at these ranges. But I wouldnt try 200 yds shots with my gun unless I was shooting at Dinos...... Wow!


Video of these amazing shots?

havensal
09-30-2009, 04:49
Here are some numbers to consider. I have always heard that 800 ft.lbs. of energy is recommended for deer.



http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=148
12 Gauge SSTTM Shotgun Slug
Muzzle-50 yds-100 yds-150 yds-200 yds
Velocity (fps) -2000 -1816-1641-1482-1341
Energy (ft/lbs)-2664-2196-1793-1463-1198
Trajectory (") -0.9-2.4-2.7-0.0 -6.7

Here is some Remington data including their foster slugs (slugger).
http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/shotshell_slug_loads.asp


Basically, if you can hit it, the slug will have enough energy to do the job out to 150 yards. I never personally wanted to go over 100. Slug guns just aren't that accurate, especially for me. Luckily I can hunt with a rifle now. :wavey:

.45 guy
09-30-2009, 11:00
Iv'e been shooting at 50 and 100 yards. Shots are in a paper plate at those ranges. Our gun season opens the end of November, so I still have practice time to utilize.

sourdough44
10-01-2009, 11:38
If you feel like getting up to speed an in-line muzzle-loader is a good option too. I use mine over a slug gun when required by law(no centerfire allowed).

TangoFoxtrot
10-26-2009, 17:48
It really depends upon the type of slug, barrel in your shotgun, sights, and your ability.

With a rifled barrel, sabot slugs, scope, and some practice 200 yards is very feasible.

With a smooth bore barrel, foster slugs, rifle sights and some practice 75-100 yards.

With a smooth bore barrel, foster slugs, bead sight and very little practice then 40 yards is stretching it.

And G36 is correct



is the right answer.

Gun hunting is really no different from bow hunting, you still need to be able to place the shot.

Everything you stated is correct as I see it too!:supergrin: I will be using a 12 ga. smoothbore 20" w/rifle sights this season and I probably won't shoot past 50 yds.

ajstrider
10-29-2009, 18:25
Like everyone else said, it is really the range you can shoot accurately at. A 12 gauge slug is going to pack enough punch to drop a deer at a pretty long range. But due to its terrible ballistics, it will fall like a rock after 100 yards, making hitting the deer extremely difficult. Todays slugs, sabots, and barrels are way better than 5 years ago, and have extended the range a lot though. 100 yards is a pretty good distance if you can hit a paper plate at that range consistently.