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Orlando8
09-03-2009, 18:23
Heres three I built ,all on NoDak A1 lowers

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/Garandlover/603%20%20M16/MVC-001S.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/Garandlover/Early%20604/MVC-015S.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/Garandlover/m16/MVC-057S.jpg

Brian Brazier
09-03-2009, 18:41
Great looking AR's, I plan on getting a 20" next but I bought the Daly M4LE first cause it is a better fit for what I want right now, but I should be ordering a Doublestar Star 15 20" before the end of the year.

Orlando8
09-03-2009, 18:46
These are all USGI M16 Uppers ,built on semi auto lowers.
The one without forward assist and 3 prong flash hider dates to the early 1960's

Brian Brazier
09-03-2009, 18:51
They are all beauties, I would like to get the Daly 20" model to match my 16" LE but I don't think they are making them anymore. Did you build these at different times, or did you have enough stuff for 3 rifles?

Orlando8
09-03-2009, 18:56
It took some time. Some of the vintage parts take alittle time and money to aquire

Brian Brazier
09-03-2009, 19:12
Well they look great

USMC03Grunt
09-03-2009, 20:12
Here's mine:

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q236/USMCGruntUSAFCATM/Firearms/Rifles/AR-15%20601%20series/DCP_1795.jpg
The entire rifle other than the Nodak Spud lower, trigger, hammer, sear and buffer are original 601 parts.

Here's the other:

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q236/USMCGruntUSAFCATM/Firearms/Rifles/DCP_1792.jpg

Pretty much the same with the entire rifle except the Nodak Spud lower, hammer, trigger, sear and selector lever are original 603 parts.
If you are looking at building a retro rifle, Nodak Spud lowers are the ONLY way to go! Hell, if you are looking at getting an excellent quality lower at all, again, Nodak Spud makes some great receivers!

blaster_54738
09-03-2009, 20:25
one of these will be my next build. already have the m4, one of these are needed

halfmoonclip
09-03-2009, 20:34
A huge +1 on NodakSpud lowers; they have a huge (and deserved) reputation over at ArfCom.
They are now making a variety of retro uppers as well, if you are unable to find a decent used one.
A1s are a thing worth having, especially if you like to shoot iron sights.
I had nearly given up on a period correct and grey colored lower, and the boys at NoDak came through.
I have a two-digit serial number.
Moon

JayAK
09-04-2009, 19:34
I love the looks of those!

Orlando8
09-04-2009, 19:43
One more I have in the works
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/Garandlover/3x20%20Colt/MVC-023S.jpg

pennlineman
09-04-2009, 20:05
Here's my 604

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt250/pennlineman/retro-1.jpg

Brian Brazier
09-04-2009, 22:23
that is a cool scope

PlasticGuy
09-05-2009, 08:05
I don't intentionally build retro AR-15's, but I wind up with semi-retro versions because I like the lighter barrels and fixed sights, and don't like the forward assists.

Orlando8
09-05-2009, 08:13
Great pics guys, keep em coming

eddief4
09-05-2009, 12:48
my uncle has a Colt SP1 with a 3 prong flash supressor.

.....i'm workin on getting that one:whistling:

Tweek's Turbos
09-05-2009, 13:51
These are all USGI M16 Uppers ,built on semi auto lowers.
The one without forward assist and 3 prong flash hider dates to the early 1960's


Do you have a secret source for the uppers or just going thru regular forum classifieds?

I kept reading and see you basically piece them together?

jrs93accord
09-06-2009, 13:02
.........

The one without forward assist and 3 prong flash hider dates to the early 1960's

Why did you not opt to go with the slab-side lower reciever for that one? The A1 receiver is not correct for that era.

USMC03Grunt
09-06-2009, 13:09
Why did you not opt to go with the slab-side lower reciever for that one? The A1 receiver is not correct for that era.

That depends. If the upper was a 602 series, then yes, the slab side lower would be correct. However, if it was an early 604 upper, then either the XM-16E1 with the single fence/detent housing tube would be correct or the later M-16A1 lower would also be correct. We need more details about the marking on the upper, the barrel and weather the front sight base is the early or late design.

jrs93accord
09-06-2009, 13:09
This is an A1 Retro build I did about two years ago. Everything is USGI except for the LPK and lower receiver (DPMS). It even has a USGI M16 BCG.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/DSC00396.jpg


This my 1977 Colt SP1 with a Colt 4x20 scope

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/DSC00458.jpg

This is the two of them together

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/DSC00449.jpg

Orlando8
09-06-2009, 13:14
Why did you not opt to go with the slab-side lower reciever for that one? The A1 receiver is not correct for that era.

Its correct for a early 604 build

Orlando8
09-06-2009, 13:16
Do you have a secret source for the uppers or just going thru regular forum classifieds?

I kept reading and see you basically piece them together?


No secret sourcs, just have to keep looking. Gunnys Surplus has uppers with forward assits but to expensive in my opinion
I just keep checking gun forum for sale sections or Gunbroker
Prices have gone way up from a few years ago

halfmoonclip
09-07-2009, 19:37
After Bill Clinton convinced me I really needed a black rifle, I picked up a Colt HBar. It shot straighter than the road to hell, but it just wasn't the same feel that I recalled from my issue M-16.
I stumbled on a NOS Colt upper/A1 stock and put them on the Colt lower...now that was the feel I remember.
Long story short, the HBar is now totally gone, and the A1 upper is on a NoDakSpud A1 lower, which is period correct in detail and in color, and is a good match for the vintage grey upper.
Yes, if you want an A1 replica, ya' gotta build it, or find an SP1 like JR's handsome specimen (which actually looks more like an M-16-dash-nothing, w/o forward assist, tho' it has a birdcage FH). Depending on parts availability and how anal you choose to be, it's possible to build an A1 clone for less money than a pristine A1.
Check ArfCom's retro section for lotsa details, but original uppers are getting sparse, and original lowers are machine guns, so you can't reasonably buy them. Fortunately, NoDakSpud is now also making uppers, so you can build an entire gun. Furniture is generally pretty available (tho' trapdoor buttstocks can be problematic).
The old ARs like 55 grain bullets, and the 20" barrel is the deal if you like to shoot irons.
Moon
ETA- Just reread the whole thread; seems I've repeated myself! ;)
M

eddief4
09-07-2009, 20:18
hey guys,

why is it that the Colt SP1's don't have a Forward Assist?:dunno:

halfmoonclip
09-07-2009, 21:18
hey guys,

why is it that the Colt SP1's don't have a Forward Assist?:dunno:

One theory is that Colt used leftover M-16 uppers for SP1 production after the A1 became military standard.
The Air Force never did embrace them back in the day, tho' their current M-4 does.
Moon
ETA- some later Colt production used slab side lowers for supposedly the same reason.
M

Teapot
02-13-2010, 02:12
I just bought a 1975 Colt SP-1 which is mint and has had 200 rounds through it. It has the three prong flash suppressor. I am at Ft Irwin until the end of Feb and then it is back to Canada for a month and then deployment. I want to get some time to shoot the rifle. If only I could use the M-16A1 overseas instead of the 9.5lbs C-7 I must lug around.
Can't wait to take possession of the SP-1.

hickok45
02-13-2010, 08:04
I haven't gone to the efforts you have to create these nice old guns, but I am partial to the classic AR. I have an old A2 I bought 25 years ago, and even my newer Bushmaster "M4" style AR has the fixed handle and such. No "tactical" attachments on either of them, at least until I'm called up to fight in the Mid East. :-)

djegators
02-13-2010, 08:14
Pretty cool rifles guys! Probably not my cup of tea, but I like those a lot.

halfmoonclip
02-13-2010, 11:13
Happened to catch a Military Channel special comparing Dien Bien Phu and Khe Sahn; there was a brief shot of Marine with (I presume) an M16A1; all the visible barrel in front of the gas block was glowing cherry red. Talk about a shot out barrel...wonder how many rounds it took to get there?
Whatever the M16's rep in 'Nam, that particular one worked well enough to toast its barrel.
Retros forever.
Moon

RMTactical
02-13-2010, 13:00
I may not own one, but I am into everything AR15 related, so yes.

Teapot
02-13-2010, 17:05
Where can the butt, pistol grip and the handguards b e had? I just want a spare set.

G21FAN
02-13-2010, 17:46
Where can the butt, pistol grip and the handguards b e had? I just want a spare set.

One good source is Moore Militaria.

http://www.mooremilitaria.com/prod03.htm

halfmoonclip
02-13-2010, 21:06
The "Weekend Warrior" in Shippensburg, PA, had rubber-butt stocks, pistol grips and handguards the last time I was there.
Moon

DLEE25
02-14-2010, 13:38
Very nice rifles, I really like the traditional look of the A1. Anyone out there have a nice pic of an XM-177?

glocknroll9
03-07-2010, 19:15
I just picked up my first retro, not sure what I got! Its built on a nodak spud reciever and looks like a colt 604. Where can I look for markings to see who made the upper? What kind of value in descent shape? I can't post a pic it says my pic is too big. Any help would be appreciated.

halfmoonclip
03-07-2010, 22:39
Any markings on the upper by the carry handle? Anything on the barrel?
Moon

Orlando8
03-08-2010, 05:30
I just picked up my first retro, not sure what I got! Its built on a nodak spud reciever and looks like a colt 604. Where can I look for markings to see who made the upper? What kind of value in descent shape? I can't post a pic it says my pic is too big. Any help would be appreciated.

Is it a early or late 604 build? That will make a huge differentce in price.
Does it have dimpled pins, no drain hole hanndguards, Edgewater buffer, original non serrated chrome bolt?

If it has none of these its probably a late 604 and worth around $700.00

ssfeldjager
03-08-2010, 13:38
You may also want to look at this forum at the AR15.com site:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=3&f=123

glocknroll9
03-08-2010, 14:03
On the upper to the right above the ejection port is a N and on the barrel under the sight is a lightly stamped MP. It also has a diamond shaped marking and a 2 on the sight? This is the only markings I see unless I'm not lookig in the right place. I'm going to check out the ar-15 forum now, THANKS!

Tweek's Turbos
03-08-2010, 14:27
I picked up some triangle handgaurds for $20 at a show in York, PA. Pics will go up this weekend.

demusn79
03-08-2010, 18:46
Oops Let me try agan.
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heatingman
03-08-2010, 19:09
January 09 a guy walked into gun show in Raleigh, NC with a cardboard box containing a strange looking grey AR with hang tag and paperwork. $800.00 later a pristine 1975 SP1 had changed ownership. What a bargain for a classic with all original parts. Some would say that a perfect specimen of that vintage might just be worth more than twice as much.

halfmoonclip
03-08-2010, 20:53
Let's make a distinction between a Colt SP-1 in minty condition; $1500 is often the asking (if not the getting) price.
I have a wonderful A1 replica with a NOS Colt upper and NoDak lower, restored A1 furniture (and trapdoor stock). It shoots straighter than the road to hell, looks great and always works. It's worth about what I have in it, or about $750. I wouldn't sell it for that, and a couple years down the road it may be worth some more.
But for now it is what it is...a replica. You just have to accept that.
Moon

crazymoose
03-08-2010, 21:01
Funny thing is, a lot of guys are now starting to go back to lightweight barrels, especially now that so many people are lugging their rifles around all day at classes.

Hell, you could take one of those "retro" guns, drop in a DD Omega rail and a dot optic, and you'd be functional and tacticool at the same time.

halfmoonclip
03-08-2010, 23:07
Where the 20" pencils shine is with irons; the bit more sight radius (and visually clearer front post for us codgers) makes accuracy much better than carbines.

Now there's a case to be made for combining the A3 railed upper with a 16" pencil barrel; sort of an M4gery sent to Weight Watchers. Unless you take great joy in mag dumps, I don't see where it hurts anything and sure makes a handy carbine.
Moon