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scotch208
09-21-2009, 00:53
I am going deer hunting in couger and bear country and am wondering if the .357 sig would put them down. I would be using a g22 with a lone wolf 6inch barrel.
I will be using an sks-m for my deer rifle incase anyone would want to know. Its an sks that takes ak style mags and i love the thing. My grandfather bought it for $50 back in the 90s before the AWB. I will never sell this rifle it have been dead accurate and 100% reliable through about 2000 rounds of mill surp ammo. It is also a nice light rifle that slings well, melts into your frame and you hardly know its there. :supergrin:

nedfolks
09-21-2009, 01:05
A .357 will take down a bear or couger if you are quick enough to draw and shoot it in the head. I would prefer 10mm though.

sigcalcatrant
09-21-2009, 02:00
Why not just use the SKS if attacked?

Old Toryu
09-21-2009, 04:02
Why don't you try it and let us know how it goes? :whistling:

troy96
09-21-2009, 04:07
I wouldnt depend on a conversion barrel in a protection weapon.

G33
09-21-2009, 05:16
I would not use anything less than 10mm.
Would go heavier if possible.
:supergrin:

MrVvrroomm
09-21-2009, 06:41
There are much better sidearm choices vs. a bear.

gsarg
09-21-2009, 06:59
I would not use anything less than 10mm.
Would go heavier if possible.
:supergrin:
Werd. A G20 w/6" factory barrel in a hip holster sounds good to me. If you think you might be coming up against bears while you're in the woods, I'm pretty sure I would be carrying something larger than an SKS. My $0.02

herose
09-21-2009, 07:22
I'd have to go 10mm with Double Tap beartooth loads.

RonaldG29
01-10-2010, 17:39
.357 might take down a bear, however i would recommend a 10mm.

DocwithGlock
01-10-2010, 17:59
Good for koala bear, but there are better choices for North American bear...

napp32
01-10-2010, 18:02
I am going deer hunting in couger and bear country and am wondering if the .357 sig would put them down.

Eventually. :supergrin:

Hound_dogs_01
01-10-2010, 18:04
The .357sig round is more penetrating than any other auto loading pistol round. I would troust it to take down a cougar or bear.. If it keeps coming put more holes in it.



Alex

BhamGlock
01-10-2010, 18:07
I would leave the SKS and .357sig at home and just take a Marlin in 45-70 if I was going into country with big clawed creatures.

Steel Head
01-10-2010, 18:15
45/70 & 454:whistling:

Gallium
01-10-2010, 18:16
Who would put aside their SKS and reach for a .357SIG in a (I assume) a handgun?

Not me! If I had an inkling I would see bear or boar, I would have a shotgun with 3"/magnum slugs, or at the very least, buck in it, to back up that SKS.

'Drew

GVFlyer
01-10-2010, 18:23
We have a family friend and professional hunter, Art Jones, who brought down an elephant with an N-frame S&W .357 Magnum pistol (it wasn't pretty). Does that mean that everyone should go out and buy a Smith & Wesson Model 27 for their next elephant hunt in Namibia? Nope, I'm going with a .505 Gibbs or a .577 Tyrannosaur double rifle.

Because a thing can be done doesn't mean that it should be done. I'm sure that with proper shot placement you could dispatch a bear with a .357 SIG, but when I'm going into bear country I pack either a 6 1/2 inch S&W Model 29 or more frequently, a .454 Casull Ruger Alaskan in a Simply Rugged pancake rig.

jack the toad.
01-10-2010, 18:37
I am going deer hunting in couger and bear country and am wondering if the .357 sig would put them down. :supergrin:
IMO, yes. If you're a good enough shot under stress.
Would I feel comfortable in carrying it? No.

BhamGlock
01-10-2010, 18:54
We have a family friend and professional hunter, Art Jones, who brought down an elephant with an N-frame S&W .357 Magnum pistol (it wasn't pretty). Does that mean that everyone should go out and buy a Smith & Wesson Model 27 for their next elephant hunt in Namibia? Nope, I'm going with a .505 Gibbs or a .577 Tyrannosaur double rifle.

Because a thing can be done doesn't mean that it should be done. I'm sure that with proper shot placement you could dispatch a bear with a .357 SIG, but when I'm going into bear country I pack either a 6 1/2 inch S&W Model 29 or more frequently, a .454 Casull Ruger Alaskan in a Simply Rugged pancake rig.

Not to sidetrack the thread, but since he is a family friend and you might know, what valid reason could any professional hunter have for trying to bring down an elephant with a .357 magnum?

noway
01-10-2010, 21:50
Not to sidetrack the thread, but since he is a family friend and you might know, what valid reason could any professional hunter have for trying to bring down an elephant with a .357 magnum?

:popcorn:

DocwithGlock
01-10-2010, 22:26
Not to sidetrack the thread, but since he is a family friend and you might know, what valid reason could any professional hunter have for trying to bring down an elephant with a .357 magnum?

That ain't nothin... Once I killed an albino mountain gorilla with a pair of left handed safety scissors!!:strong:

gruntmedik
01-10-2010, 23:12
357 SIG may take down a bear, but take extra mags, and brush up on your speed reload.

vafish
01-11-2010, 09:41
.357 sig would not be my first choice for a protection round in bear country.

I've shot a bear with a .44 magnum, and there is a big difference between killing a bear and stopping it before it could harm you.

In my opinion a .41 Magnum handgun is bare minimum for bear defense.

noway
01-11-2010, 13:09
i fixed it for you


.357 sig would not be my first choice for a protection round in bear country.

I've shot a bear with a .44 magnum, and there is a big difference between killing a bear and stopping it before it could harm you.

In my opinion a .41 Magnum handgun is bear minimum for bear defense.

;)

GVFlyer
01-11-2010, 20:02
Not to sidetrack the thread, but since he is a family friend and you might know, what valid reason could any professional hunter have for trying to bring down an elephant with a .357 magnum?

It was a television request for a European television network, sorta like when David Nu'uhiwa, Sr. killed a charging bull with one snap of his wrist and powerful shoulders for the U.S. television show, "You Asked For It" (much later on, Nu'uhiwa was my sensei).

CanyonMan
01-12-2010, 16:44
It was a television request for a European television network, sorta like when David Nu'uhiwa, Sr. killed a charging bull with one snap of his wrist and powerful shoulders for the U.S. television show, "You Asked For It" (much later on, Nu'uhiwa was my sensei).




Now I don't know a thing about this old boy your talking about that killed a bull with his "snapping wrist".

But, we got a bull out here we use ( among others), for the purpose of artificial insemination. His name is 44 Mag. He weighs in at 2,000 #'s, and I can promise you, that we will fly this old boy out to the ranch "Free of charge," if he thinks he will kill old 44 with his bare hands while being charged or not ! 10,000 to him if he does it. And 10,000 to me if he is still alive to pay it ! :cool:

Mag don't like folks touchin him. I am 6'0. My head comes up to the top of Mags back.... his hump. (someone ask me.... 61" to the back and about 68" to the top of his hump).



Who ever this old boy is your talking about, will have to bring one thing with him when he comes.... His "life insurance policy." ;)

I am not being smart.... I just know it would be funny as heck to watch ! LOL !



CanyonMan

noway
01-13-2010, 09:45
David was trained martial artist who supposely claimed to have done such thing. But how did this get into this thread and how are we discussing kiling a bull with a martial art kick, punch , slap or snap :whistling:



Hey if anybody what's to try this feat and take up canyonman offer, please film it :rofl:

CanyonMan
01-13-2010, 10:12
David was trained martial artist who supposely claimed to have done such thing. But how did this get into this thread and how are we discussing kiling a bull with a martial art kick, punch , slap or snap :whistling:



Hey if anybody what's to try this feat and take up canyonman offer, please film it :rofl:



Yes. Please film it. ThenI can make another 10,000 putting it on the funniest video show... :rofl:


Sorry to get the thread off track. But I wasn't the one who did. I just replied to a very "way out there post...."


Btw.. Please don't go after bear with a .357 sig. Not a good idea.



CanyonMan

GVFlyer
01-19-2010, 00:37
CanyonMan -

Unfortunately Sensei Nu'uhiwa can't answer your challenge as he has passed away four years ago. This is an excerpt from an article featuring his induction into the Surfers Hall of Fame the year before he died - he was a multi-faceted man.

"Uncle David is also a legend in the world of martial arts. Awarded title of Doctor and Professor Kaito by high officials and Black Belts of the Orient. Kaito literally means ‘The best of the East and West.’ David now makes his home in Anaheim and conducts a school in the ancient Oriental arts of self-defense.

From 1953 to 1965 David had 822 matches and untold honors, never having lost a bout in competition. He has won the rare red belt in Karate, of which he is one of only five in the world to hold this rank and the only American ever to hold this honor.

Among his famous feats of skill, David has battled an eight foot Watsui Warrior in Africa and has killed a charging bull with one snap of his wrist and powerful shoulders. This feat was demonstrated on such television shows as ‘You Asked For It.’ He also appeared on the Ed Sullivan show and the Steve Allen show and was a stuntman in the movie ‘Mr. Roberts.’

http://www.hsssurf.com/shof/?p=70

The article does not mention that he lost an eye in a cage fight in the Philippines. Most men do not continue after such an injury; Sensei Nu'uhiwa fought on and won the match.

Although I've spent 25 years in the combat arms and know many courageous warriors, Sensei David Nu'uhiwa, Sr. was both the most peaceful and lethal man I have ever known.

GVFlyer
01-19-2010, 00:44
Yes. Please film it. ThenI can make another 10,000 putting it on the funniest video show... :rofl:


Sorry to get the thread off track. But I wasn't the one who did. I just replied to a very "way out there post...."


Btw.. Please don't go after bear with a .357 sig. Not a good idea.

CanyonMan

Get your facts straight cowboy. My reply was on topic and addressed the question posed by the OP. Others asked for details about an example I used in my post and I responded with names and circumstances. Your post was irrelevant and off topic.

CanyonMan
01-20-2010, 07:30
Get your facts straight cowboy. My reply was on topic and addressed the question posed by the OP. Others asked for details about an example I used in my post and I responded with names and circumstances. Your post was irrelevant and off topic.

I think you are a tad mistaken here Hoss. You started all the nonsense with the rants about the great bull fighter. I merely responded....

If you want to take a look at "Off topic," then look at your post above. (# 29 ) It is a mile long and another rant about the great ninja dudes.....



Edited to say.... .. Sorry to the OP..

Let's call it a draw GVFlyer

It was all just meant for a little humor man no need to fret....
I been on here along time, and your the only one who has ever got in a tizzy about me slinging a laugh or two.

I see no harm done....


Drop it. I have.



CanyonMan

GVFlyer
01-20-2010, 09:05
I think you are a tad mistaken here Hoss. You started all the nonsense with the rants about the great bull fighter. I merely responded....


Hogwash, Tex.

This is my original post.

We have a family friend and professional hunter, Art Jones, who brought down an elephant with an N-frame S&W .357 Magnum pistol (it wasn't pretty). Does that mean that everyone should go out and buy a Smith & Wesson Model 27 for their next elephant hunt in Namibia? Nope, I'm going with a .505 Gibbs or a .577 Tyrannosaur double rifle.

Because a thing can be done doesn't mean that it should be done. I'm sure that with proper shot placement you could dispatch a bear with a .357 SIG, but when I'm going into bear country I pack either a 6 1/2 inch S&W Model 29 or more frequently, a .454 Casull Ruger Alaskan in a Simply Rugged pancake rig.

My post mentioning Sensei Nu'uhiwa was in response to BhamGlock asking why a professional hunter would take down an elephant with a .357 Magnum.

It was a television request for a European television network, sorta like when David Nu'uhiwa, Sr. killed a charging bull with one snap of his wrist and powerful shoulders for the U.S. television show, "You Asked For It" (much later on, Nu'uhiwa was my sensei).




If you want to take a look at "Off topic," then look at your post above. (# 29 ) It is a mile long and another rant about the great ninja dudes.....

CanyonMan

The post that you reference was in response to your post offering Sensei Nu'uhiwa air fare to fly down to your spread to tussle with some bovine with the appellation "44 Mag".

...
But, we got a bull out here we use ( among others), for the purpose of artificial insemination. His name is 44 Mag. He weighs in at 2,000 #'s, and I can promise you, that we will fly this old boy out to the ranch "Free of charge," if he thinks he will kill old 44 with his bare hands while being charged or not ! 10,000 to him if he does it. And 10,000 to me if he is still alive to pay it ! ...

CanyonMan

Don't ask if you don't want an answer.

CanyonMan
01-20-2010, 10:15
Hogwash, Tex.

This is my original post.



My post mentioning Sensei Nu'uhiwa was in response to BhamGlock asking why a professional hunter would take down an elephant with a .357 Magnum.






The post that you reference was in response to your post offering Sensei Nu'uhiwa air fare to fly down to your spread to tussle with some bovine with the appellation "44 Mag".
Don't ask if you don't want an answer.




I am sure this thread will end up locked... I digressed. I said "drop it I have." you do not seem to know how...

You are insultive and a pest. I have tried to let it go but you like a good ninja fight i guess. You started it with the : We have a family friend and professional hunter, Art Jones, who brought down an elephant with an N-frame S&W .357 Magnum pistol (it wasn't pretty). Does that mean that everyone should go out and buy a Smith & Wesson Model 27 for their next elephant hunt in Namibia? Nope, I'm going with a .505 Gibbs or a .577 Tyrannosaur double rifle.


I notice someone else responded to this foolishness as well. why don't you go haunt him ?


Man I made a little joke. Lighten up !


This is just a forum man, not a act of Congress. Get over it.


Rant away. I have not time for argueing with kids....


Again OP sorry man really am..




CM

GVFlyer
01-20-2010, 11:21
I am sure this thread will end up locked... I digressed. I said "drop it I have." you do not seem to know how...

You are insultive and a pest. I have tried to let it go but you like a good ninja fight i guess. You started it with the : We have a family friend and professional hunter, Art Jones, who brought down an elephant with an N-frame S&W .357 Magnum pistol (it wasn't pretty). Does that mean that everyone should go out and buy a Smith & Wesson Model 27 for their next elephant hunt in Namibia? Nope, I'm going with a .505 Gibbs or a .577 Tyrannosaur double rifle.


In English, that paragraph is what's called a peremptory comment. The rest of that post which you omitted without benefit of an ellipsis stated:

Because a thing can be done doesn't mean that it should be done. I'm sure that with proper shot placement you could dispatch a bear with a .357 SIG, but when I'm going into bear country I pack either a 6 1/2 inch S&W Model 29 or more frequently, a .454 Casull Ruger Alaskan in a Simply Rugged pancake rig.



...You are insultive and a pest....

I notice someone else responded to this foolishness as well. why don't you go haunt him ?...

...Rant away. I have not time for argueing with kids....

CM

With demeaning comments such as these do you seriously expect me or anyone else to just "drop it"?

CanyonMan
01-20-2010, 11:48
In English, that paragraph is what's called a peremptory comment. The rest of that post which you omitted without benefit of an ellipsis stated:

Because a thing can be done doesn't mean that it should be done. I'm sure that with proper shot placement you could dispatch a bear with a .357 SIG, but when I'm going into bear country I pack either a 6 1/2 inch S&W Model 29 or more frequently, a .454 Casull Ruger Alaskan in a Simply Rugged pancake rig.



With demeaning comments such as these do you seriously expect me or anyone else to just "drop it"?



Look ace. Someone at some point here needs to be humble and back off.
I will do it.

Sorry. Forgive me. Did not mean to get you riled up...

BTW. This is very rare for me to say. So except it and move on.


Let this go..... ;)




CM

vafish
01-20-2010, 13:46
Look ace. Someone at some point here needs to be humble and back off.
I will do it.

Sorry. Forgive me. Did not mean to get you riled up...

BTW. This is very rare for me to say. So except it and move on.


Let this go..... ;)




CM

$5,000 GT Casino Bucks says he won't let you have the last word. :supergrin:

CanyonMan
01-20-2010, 13:50
$5,000 GT Casino Bucks says he won't let you have the last word. :supergrin:


Vafish, Your a buddy of mine, and i like ya Hoss, But I will not take that bet man... LOL. No NO No...



God bless ya bud
good shooting


CanyonMan

Screaming .357G
01-20-2010, 20:49
Tell ya what...You take the .357 sig and I will grab the .500S&W:supergrin:

jjsobba
01-30-2010, 07:02
If I had to follow somebody I think I will follow you with your 500 smith!

Glock940
01-30-2010, 08:18
357sig for bear protection? Like using a flyswatter against a rabid raccoon imo, but having something is better than nothing. Shoot it enough and maybe you can. I would use nothing less than a .357 "MAGNUM" (not sig) with 158 or 180 grainers for protection in that scenario.

redhawk500
02-10-2010, 12:14
I've never bear hunted with less than a .45 Colt chambered S&W Model 25 6 inch, 255 grain at 1040 fps. Adequate penetration to the central nervous system is the first criteria for a quick stop. The .357 magnum with tough, heavy bullets, at least 180 grain would work. If the .357 Sig is capable of similar performance, it should work. Hodgdon on-line reloading guide shows 147 grain Hornady XTP at 1260 or 1317 fps. This isn't a heavy or tough enough bullet for bear defense. Accurate Power lists 7.5 grains #5 powder with a Laser Cast 147 grain cast flat point at 1170 fps. If I were to choose, I'd pick the hard cast bullet. I know of one case of use of a hard cast 158 grain that glanced off a black bears skull, reported by a handgun hunting gun writer years ago, Bob Milek? He finally killed the bear by moving to the side for an ear shot. The bear was distracted by a dog pack, so this wouldn't be practical in a self-defense situation. A four inch .357 Magnum would seem to be the better choice with 180 grain or 200 grain "solid" bullets in this caliber.

JBJ16
02-16-2010, 07:52
There are much better sidearm choices vs. a bear.

A Lupara Shotgun loaded with slugs comes to mind. :whistling:

J. Parker
02-16-2010, 19:42
It's an old thread and the original poster never got back to anybody. Nuf said.

Aquanewt
02-18-2010, 23:14
That ain't nothin... Once I killed an albino mountain gorilla with a pair of left handed safety scissors!!:strong:

Yeah well I got a blue-eyed three-eared hairy baboon with two popsicle sticks, a rubber band and a ping-pong ball. I have pictures available on request!

Wildkow
02-20-2010, 18:09
Hmmmm, those are pretty big hand cannon's you all recommend. So if my 5’2” 115lb. wife misses with the first shot fortunately the recoil will knock her out and she won't feel any pain when the Bear eats her. Since the 357 SIG seems to be a pretty good penetrator she'll carry my Glock 35 with a compensated 5.5” KKM Precision barrel and hope for the best. Just in case, I’ll up the life insurance from 500K to 1Mil and keep it paid up. :whistling:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

CanyonMan
02-21-2010, 11:45
Hmmmm, those are pretty big hand cannon's you all recommend. So if my 5’2” 115lb. wife misses with the first shot fortunately the recoil will knock her out and she won't feel any pain when the Bear eats her. Since the 357 SIG seems to be a pretty good penetrator she'll carry my Glock 35 with a compensated 5.5” KKM Precision barrel and hope for the best. Just in case, I’ll up the life insurance from 500K to 1Mil and keep it paid up. :whistling:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

In all seriousness... If your going to let her carry that round for bear protection. Yes. Make sure she is insured. That is a very unwise thing to allow your wife to carry against a bruin if you are truly serious here...

If she cannot handle a big bore side arm, then teach her to shoot and carry a rifle. My wife is a petite 5'6" little thing, but she can at least handle a 44 mag, or hot 44specials with a 300gr Hard Cast hand load of mine. This is a far better poloicy to protect her than a 9mil bullet. You will truly P.O. that bear with it.

You don't go into battle and "hope for the best." you go prepared. Like iwse, you do not go into bruin country (if you are worried about them) and "hope for the best." you go prepaired. I don't worry about bear attacks and never have. But When i was a guide I did carry a honkin large bore side arm with very heavy cast bullets, "and a rifle of large bore as well." I still do ! ;)

Do her a favor and either let her stay home, or teach her to shot a larger bore, or carry a rifle, or at least YOU do it, and tell her to learn to trust you.

I really would not worry about bear attacks. But since they can happen, if you are not real woods savvy, and no offence, it does not sound that way with your choice of weapons for a bear. Do consider a larger caliber. You will never empty that mag into a charging bear. The first shot, and sometimes the second, are all you got, and they best count. A 9mil will get you dead.


Good luck



CanyonMan

creaky
03-02-2010, 09:46
It was a television request for a European television network, sorta like when David Nu'uhiwa, Sr. killed a charging bull with one snap of his wrist and powerful shoulders for the U.S. television show, "You Asked For It" (much later on, Nu'uhiwa was my sensei).

The first alleged incident is the type of stupid stunt that gives hunters and hunting another black eye with the rest of the population. If true, your friend is lacking in the ethics department. Do you have evidence of this supposed travesty?

On the second claim concerning David Nu'uhiwa, Sr.: Can you produce evidence that this ever happened?