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stengun
09-25-2009, 20:47
Howdy Everybody,

I have been looking for a hunting load for my Taurus Gaucho .45 Colt.

All the factory loads are either too lame or they are too hot. Some, like the Cor Bon, Buffalo, etc are like .44 Magnum load range.

The SAAMI spec for a .45 Colt is 15,900CUPs and my old Speer manual has a section with loads for the Ruger BlackHawk and these loads were all less than 25,000CUP but hotteer than what I want to shoot from my gun.

I want to use Blue Dot and I checked Allaints website and for a 260gr they list a max of 13grs @ 941ft/sec and 12.9grs w/ a 250gr SWC @1,028ft/seec.

I settled for 13.2grs w/ a 250gr Hornady XTP JHP and here is the results.........

http://images.yuku.com/image/pjpeg/1b4158d7df66c577627392f8968385ceae4dbc1.JPG

It seem to work pretty good to me. I shot it into my test media from about 20yds. I chrony died so I'm not sure of the velocity but it is pretty hot. Just a guess, I would say it is around 1,100ft/sec out of my 7 1/2" barrel.

I think it would work pretty good on a small sized whitetail at less than 30yds.

Paul

fredj338
09-25-2009, 22:53
Howdy Everybody,

I have been looking for a hunting load for my Taurus Gaucho .45 Colt.

All the factory loads are either too lame or they are too hot. Some, like the Cor Bon, Buffalo, etc are like .44 Magnum load range.

The SAAMI spec for a .45 Colt is 15,900CUPs and my old Speer manual has a section with loads for the Ruger BlackHawk and these loads were all less than 25,000CUP but hotteer than what I want to shoot from my gun.

I want to use Blue Dot and I checked Allaints website and for a 260gr they list a max of 13grs @ 941ft/sec and 12.9grs w/ a 250gr SWC @1,028ft/seec.

I settled for 13.2grs w/ a 250gr Hornady XTP JHP and here is the results.........
It seem to work pretty good to me. I shot it into my test media from about 20yds. I chrony died so I'm not sure of the velocity but it is pretty hot. Just a guess, I would say it is around 1,100ft/sec out of my 7 1/2" barrel.

I think it would work pretty good on a small sized whitetail at less than 30yds.

Paul

You are probably just over 1000fps. It will certainly drop deer size game. You don't really need a JHP for that vel. though. A good LSWCHP would work well @ 1000fps. This hits just under 1000fps using 9gr of Unique from my 4 5/8"RBH in wetpack.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/fredj338/452-268-1K.jpg

striker6126
09-25-2009, 22:56
My daughter had good luck with 250gr gold dots from a 16" carbine last year.

vanilla_gorilla
09-26-2009, 00:40
You are probably just over 1000fps. It will certainly drop deer size game. You don't really need a JHP for that vel. though. A good LSWCHP would work well @ 1000fps. This hits just under 1000fps using 9gr of Unique from my 4 5/8"RBH in wetpack.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/fredj338/452-268-1K.jpg



I was going to suggest this same load. I don't use .45 Colt, the .44 Magnum is my choice, but it's essentially the same thing: a 260 grain LSWC at 1050 fps.

stengun
09-26-2009, 18:40
Howdy fredj,

You are probably just over 1000fps. It will certainly drop deer size game. You don't really need a JHP for that vel. though. A good LSWCHP would work well @ 1000fps. This hits just under 1000fps using 9gr of Unique from my 4 5/8"RBH in wetpack.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/fredj338/452-268-1K.jpg

According to Alliant, 250gr SWC, 9.5grs of Unique and a 5.5" barrel = 941ft/sec. Also list a 260gr JHP w/ 13grs @ 941ft/sec from a 5.5" barrel. So, a little more powder, slightly lighter bullet and a 2" longer barrel, I feel I'm about 1,100ft/sec. I have a load using Win 571 and a 250gr SWC that clocked 1,130ft/sec avg and recoil is about the same.

I need to get a new chrony.

I think I will stick to this load since I do not have any LSWC-HPs of any type.

Now, if I can only get a deer to cooperate with me........

Paul

tjpet
09-27-2009, 10:33
Try a plain lead 300grn. FP with 7.5grns. Universal Clays. Soft shooting, accurate, and penetrates even through elk shoulders. A great low pressure hunting load through a Colt SA Army revolver or clone. No meat damage and you can, as the oldtimers use to say, "eat right up to the hole."

dougader
09-27-2009, 17:34
I wonder what kind of penetration you got with that XTP-HP?

I've always used 255-265 grain hardcast bullets at anywhere from 900-1200 fps in a Ruger Bisley revolver. Even at 900 fps these are said to go through deer and antelope from stem to stern. Personally I've never shot a deer from the rear or the front with a handgun; always pretty much a broadside shot and the bullet went clear through and were never recovered.

I know you want loads that will be safe in the 14,000 psi/15,900 CUP range... I like Blue Dot fine in higher pressure loads but haven't had good luck with lower pressure loads Blue Dot; incomplete burning, erratic velocity with high extreme spreads (like 160 fps!), and average to lackluster accuracy.

I actually like WW231 or Universal Clays for low pressure 45 Colt. With 255 grain hardcast swc's I like 7.5 grains WW231 or 8.0 grains Universal. Both are just shy of 900 fps in my 5.5" Bisley.

SDGlock23
09-27-2009, 21:09
For an effective load that isn't hot, but useful, I use 9.5grs-10grs Unique underneath a 255gr cast SWC.

fredj338
09-28-2009, 08:52
Howdy fredj,

According to Alliant, 250gr SWC, 9.5grs of Unique and a 5.5" barrel = 941ft/sec. Also list a 260gr JHP w/ 13grs @ 941ft/sec from a 5.5" barrel. So, a little more powder, slightly lighter bullet and a 2" longer barrel, I feel I'm about 1,100ft/sec. I have a load using Win 571 and a 250gr SWC that clocked 1,130ft/sec avg and recoil is about the same.

I need to get a new chrony.

I think I will stick to this load since I do not have any LSWC-HPs of any type.

Now, if I can only get a deer to cooperate with me........

Paul
You always have to take reloading manual fps w/ a grain of salt, most test in non vented pressure bbls. Throw in all guns are diff. vel . can be all over the place. You can "feel" what you like, but the only way to know is to run them over a chronograph.:dunno:

CanyonMan
09-28-2009, 19:57
You are probably just over 1000fps. It will certainly drop deer size game. You don't really need a JHP for that vel. though. A good LSWCHP would work well @ 1000fps. This hits just under 1000fps using 9gr of Unique from my 4 5/8"RBH in wetpack.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/fredj338/452-268-1K.jpg


Fredrick.

I have friends that own cast bullet co's, Like Hunter supply in N.M, and Beartooth Bullets, but I do not recall JR, or Marshall offering up a hollow point like the one in your pic here for the 45LC.....

So, what is your source ?


Thanks


CanyonMan

dougader
09-28-2009, 22:11
Fred casts those himself.

CanyonMan
09-29-2009, 12:14
Fred casts those himself.


Well, I kinda had a feeling he did, but ask anyway. Man I shoot tons of cast, but do not have access to these for the 45LC. I was just hopin he was not doing them himself...

Hey, they look good fred. ;)


Thanks dougader.



CanyonMan

fredj338
09-29-2009, 12:44
Well, I kinda had a feeling he did, but ask anyway. Man I shoot tons of cast, but do not have access to these for the 45LC. I was just hopin he was not doing them himself...

Hey, they look good fred. ;)


Thanks dougader.

CanyonMan
Hey for you CM, I could be coaxed into casting a 100 or so. We old timers need to stick together.:fred: Drop me a PM w/ a shipping address & I'll get them to you. The mold is the RCBS 270grSWC as modified by Erik of HPMS. I have several diff. pins & can go from 250gr wide & deep that will expand @ 800fps to my fav. 270gr cup point that can hold the HP to 1100fps or so & also still expand around 900fps cast from 25-1 alloy.

CanyonMan
09-29-2009, 15:58
Hey for you CM, I could be coaxed into casting a 100 or so. We old timers need to stick together.:fred: Drop me a PM w/ a shipping address & I'll get them to you. The mold is the RCBS 270grSWC as modified by Erik of HPMS. I have several diff. pins & can go from 250gr wide & deep that will expand @ 800fps to my fav. 270gr cup point that can hold the HP to 1100fps or so & also still expand around 900fps cast from 25-1 alloy.


LOL I hear ya. I am a 3 time grandpa now. Just had the new one about 8 weeks ago. "A BOY THIS TIME." :cool: All the rest are girls. He just needs a year on him to get in the saddle. ;)


OK Amigo, if you don't mind let's do 'er. I will PM you an address:


Public notice***** Fred is a great guy ! Old but great ! :supergrin:



CanyonMan

noway
09-30-2009, 18:01
I'll chime in, I'm using some 280gr load loaded down to 1000fps. They been deadly on deer and hogs.

I'm working on some bullets now that are cast to 16-17bhn that I plan on using for this year hunting. For deer you don't need a supper duper hot load.

Now for a gaucho, my loads would be maybe too hot, but using a powder like unique or longshot would provid some good velocity with low recoil.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/kenfelix/IMG_1126.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/kenfelix/IMG_1126.jpg

For deer just about anything would work. The last deer I killed with handgun , the bullet went over 24inches of flesh,fur and skin and was never recovered. It was cast at 18BHN. I did some impromtu testing on penetration and never been able to recover any bullets fired from my 7.5# bbl handgun. The last trip out to the glades, I tried 3 50gal plastic tanks side by side , and at over 30yards away, a 250grain rebated-based .453dia bullet went thru all three plastic tanks.

Bullet was chrono at only 912fps and supposely casted at 13BHN :wow:

fredj338
09-30-2009, 20:58
I'll chime in, I'm using some 280gr load loaded down to 1000fps. They been deadly on deer and hogs.

I'm working on some bullets now that are cast to 16-17bhn that I plan on using for this year hunting. For deer you don't need a supper duper hot load.

Now for a gaucho, my loads would be maybe too hot, but using a powder like unique or longshot would provid some good velocity with low recoil.

For deer just about anything would work. The last deer I killed with handgun , the bullet went over 24inches of flesh,fur and skin and was never recovered. It was cast at 18BHN. I did some impromtu testing on penetration and never been able to recover any bullets fired from my 7.5# bbl handgun. The last trip out to the glades, I tried 3 50gal plastic tanks side by side , and at over 30yards away, a 250grain rebated-based .453dia bullet went thru all three plastic tanks.

Bullet was chrono at only 912fps and supposely casted at 13BHN :wow:
Yep, a hard cast bullet will go & go. My 300grLFP 45colts @ 950fps will out penetrate 400grSP from my 404jeffery! That is more than 20" of wetpack.:whistling:

dougader
02-16-2010, 11:16
I know this is old, but I wanted to post this pic of a 250 grain Speer GDHP with 13.5 grains of BD in Starline 45 Colt cases. Its the one on the far right:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d132/dougader/MVC-002F.jpg

Gunnut 45/454
02-16-2010, 12:29
I agree your Taurus Gaucho .45 Colt is not a Ruger and you should keep your loads around 1000-1100 fps. Now I load for a Win AE 94 and a SRH so both will take stouter loads then your Gaucho. My everyday load is 9 gr Unique under a 255 gr Lee cast. Runs 950-1000 fps and will kill anything I need to kill. My normal hunt load is 300 gr WFNGC over a good dose of H110 definately more then your Goucho will handle! Use the same load of Unique 9 grs and you get about 900 fps with the 300 gr still a great hunting load out to 60 yards with a pistol!:supergrin::supergrin: