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Punisher_nbi45
10-18-2009, 05:18
Was anybody at greenbelt today when the lunchtime robbery was perpetrated? Any additional info that you could give? Just saw it on the news.

Just makes you think that we need to be really be ever more vigilant. Times are getting rough.

Allegra
10-18-2009, 05:25
I was supposed to be there at about the same time , buti nalang traffic sa buendia and I changed my mind
Ganda sana ng kwentuhan

bikethief
10-18-2009, 06:28
Kaiser Soze was having lunch there. My sister was also in the area when the shooting started. Some of her friends who were on their way to meet her actually saw the perps coming out of the store.

Scary *****. Too brazen to be dismissed as a run-of-the-mill, tabloid worthy, holdup job. They just raised the bar for other groups.

OT: Just wanted to rant. I just heard that the 2 police escorts of Mayor Tinga of Taguig were the ones that engaged the robbers as they exited the store. They were outnumbered, outgunned, and probably tactically disadvantaged because they had their principal to worry about. What were they thinking? They not only put their lives in danger but also the lives of every other person in that mall. Buti sana kung terrorists on a killing spree ang pumasok sa mall. In that case, even I would feel obligated to get involved if I was in the area and armed. They could have coordinated with Makati Police to catch the perps in a less populated area by means of checkpoints and/or a full on police chase. Kung makawala with their bounty of Rolexes then sorry. It wasn't worth it to initiate a running gun battle with several hundred civilians serving as backstops.

And get this. They are now recommended for promotion for actions above and beyond the call of duty. Above and beyond their jurisdiction and skills perhaps?

PMMA97
10-18-2009, 06:45
A bad guy is dead.

Chalk one up for the good guys.

Was there actual human collateral damage?

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/Dax5/IMG_2024.jpg

9MX
10-18-2009, 06:56
Bikethief,

I think mabilis ang pangyayari, and those Taguig cops had good intentions. Let's just be glad that collateral damage was minimal

saki1611
10-18-2009, 07:24
OT: Just wanted to rant. I just heard that the 2 police escorts of Mayor Tinga of Taguig were the ones that engaged the robbers as they exited the store. They were outnumbered, outgunned, and probably tactically disadvantaged because they had their principal to worry about. What were they thinking? They not only put their lives in danger but also the lives of every other person in that mall. Buti sana kung terrorists on a killing spree ang pumasok sa mall. In that case, even I would feel obligated to get involved if I was in the area and armed. They could have coordinated with Makati Police to catch the perps in a less populated area by means of checkpoints and/or a full on police chase. Kung makawala with their bounty of Rolexes then sorry. It wasn't worth it to initiate a running gun battle with several hundred civilians serving as backstops.

And get this. They are now recommended for promotion for actions above and beyond the call of duty. Above and beyond their jurisdiction and skills perhaps?

truly the most unappreciated kind of job in the planet...:crying:

tim, what happened was not a movie scene, not scripted. it's the real scenario which we cannot tell what will happen next. good thing that as of now no other injuries or casualty reported yet caused by the bodyguards' FA's. i think they did their job well. i don't think it's beyond their skills, a robber was killed. i can strongly say that nobody here with topnotch skills in the range or gym can compare the skills these bodyguards have shown...

9MX
10-18-2009, 07:50
truly the most unappreciated kind of job in the planet...:crying:



tahan na empoy..

bikethief
10-18-2009, 07:55
Sabagay. It's too easy to analyze after the fact and from an outsiders point of view. Medyo too close to home lang talaga kasi my sister was in the same building. Remember din the attempted carjacking a few days back? My whole family passes the same road everyday and my siblings drive the same types of vehicles as the victim. Nakakapraning. But I never meant to offend anybody. Saki, mannix, peace ha. Medyo mainit dito sa bog the past few days.

Pero I love the picture sa taas! Where was he hit?

9MX
10-18-2009, 08:00
tim,

no problem..i guess all of us are agitated with the whole thing. my wife works for the ayalas. i personally have a very high regard for the ayala malls. this incident is a wake up call again. some years back, a similar incident happened in megamall, BDO ata ang target noon.

edtf
10-18-2009, 08:11
tim,

no problem..i guess all of us are agitated with the whole thing. my wife works for the ayalas. i personally have a very high regard for the ayala malls. this incident is a wake up call again. some years back, a similar incident happened in megamall, BDO ata ang target noon.

You got that right. Medyo closer to home yung mga incidents now and this isn't even the Christmas season yet.

Yup and it happened in Walter Mart a few weeks ago and happened at Gotesco Commonwealth a few years back too.

These guys are truly brazen. Really sad how things are turning out. :steamed:

as an OT to the guys here. If you see something like this will you join in?
I think I will make myself soooo small that I can crawl under a rock or if I'm with my family just cover them.

Guys better stay alert - never forget the OODA loop.

9MX
10-18-2009, 08:20
edtf,

me, i won't,they don't allow us to pack inside the malls.

but your question begs another question..if a civilian intervened, regardless what happened to the perps pero nagkaroon ng casualties na innocents, will that guy be held liable (criminal and civil?) something like, reckless imprudence resulting to homicide?

because if the answer above is yes, eh its not worth it na makialam kahit puwede

9MX
10-18-2009, 08:24
btw, this can affect HPR owners again:dunno:

edtf
10-18-2009, 08:36
btw, this can affect HPR owners again:dunno:

Yup!! Binay is fuming mad and saying that these guys were all carrying HPR and one was carrying an m203 too.

edtf,


me, i won't,they don't allow us to pack inside the malls.

but your question begs another question..if a civilian intervened, regardless what happened to the perps pero nagkaroon ng casualties na innocents, will that guy be held liable (criminal and civil?) something like, reckless imprudence resulting to homicide?

because if the answer above is yes, eh its not worth it na makialam kahit puwede

Yeah same here. You have a point and you become the poster boy of why people shouldn't be allowed to carry guns :steamed:

saki1611
10-18-2009, 09:11
Sabagay. It's too easy to analyze after the fact and from an outsiders point of view. Medyo too close to home lang talaga kasi my sister was in the same building. Remember din the attempted carjacking a few days back? My whole family passes the same road everyday and my siblings drive the same types of vehicles as the victim. Nakakapraning. But I never meant to offend anybody. Saki, mannix, peace ha. Medyo mainit dito sa bog the past few days.

Pero I love the picture sa taas! Where was he hit?

No problem tim, it's always a healthy exchange of ideas...

isuzu
10-18-2009, 09:50
:thumbsup:truly the most unappreciated kind of job in the planet...:crying:

tim, what happened was not a movie scene, not scripted. it's the real scenario which we cannot tell what will happen next. good thing that as of now no other injuries or casualty reported yet caused by the bodyguards' FA's. i think they did their job well. i don't think it's beyond their skills, a robber was killed. i can strongly say that nobody here with topnotch skills in the range or gym can compare the skills these bodyguards have shown...


They had quick thinking and engaged. I would say they did the right thing. IMO, those bodyguards didn't play hero. They caught the BGs by surprise, and that played a big factor.

A promotion would be the icing on the cake.:thumbsup:

isuzu
10-18-2009, 09:52
BTW, have you noticed that everytime a national election nears, the incidents of robberies increase? Just wondering.

bikethief
10-18-2009, 10:16
How did they expect to make money out of those watches? Registered lahat with serial numbers ang rolex diba? Or gagamitin as campaign gifts mga yun?

Hehe. Mag aabang ako ng "cheap rolex for sale" sa lahat ng forums.

Back on topic, is it legal for companies such as Ayala to form their own emergency response units? Something like an in-house SWAT team to augment blue guard security and police presence. Will this fall under the same category as maintaining a private army?

9MX
10-18-2009, 10:20
BTW, have you noticed that everytime a national election nears, the incidents of robberies increase? Just wondering.

yes, i noticed that too

9MX
10-18-2009, 10:22
Back on topic, is it legal for companies such as Ayala to form their own emergency response units? Something like an in-house SWAT team to augment blue guard security and police presence. Will this fall under the same category as maintaining a private army?

hindi ata, plus there's the liability issue if things go awry=bad for business.

there is the ayala security force headed by ex-military and ex-cops.

jerrytrini
10-18-2009, 10:43
hindi ata, plus there's the liability issue if things go awry=bad for business.

there is the ayala security force headed by ex-military and ex-cops.

Since malls are privately owned would it be possible for the sekyu agencies already in place organize an specialized unit of their own e.g. CTU, armed undercover personnel? Just my two dirhams.

oops sorry same idea had been posted.....

bikethief
10-18-2009, 10:43
Oo nga. I can imagine the lawsuits. Might interfere with legit police operations pa.

One of my cousins who came to visit last summer commented on the level of security in our malls. First time he's seen security guards armed with shotguns. He lives in NYC and even after 9/11, mall security didn't reach this level! Sabi ko, iba dito 'insan. Kahit shoplifter armed and dangerous.

toxic
10-18-2009, 11:01
BTW, have you noticed that everytime a national election nears, the incidents of robberies increase? Just wondering.

its hard to speculate but i guess everybody is thinking the same thing..ganyan na lang lage pag mag election, im sure di lang yan mababalitaan natin.


Mag karoon man lang sana ng commendation or recognition yung dalawang LEO-body guard nung politician, saludo ako sa kanila.:israelflag:

jerrytrini
10-18-2009, 11:05
Oo nga. I can imagine the lawsuits. Might interfere with legit police operations pa.

One of my cousins who came to visit last summer commented on the level of security in our malls. First time he's seen security guards armed with shotguns. He lives in NYC and even after 9/11, mall security didn't reach this level! Sabi ko, iba dito 'insan. Kahit shoplifter armed and dangerous.

FYI, malls in my area have unarmed UC's but are authorized to make an arrest on reasonable suspicion/probable cause.

toxic
10-18-2009, 11:15
Since malls are privately owned would it be possible for the sekyu agencies already in place organize an specialized unit of their own e.g. CTU, armed undercover personnel? Just my two dirhams.

oops sorry same idea had been posted.....

meron na nyan Sir Jerry " armed under cover personnel" ..my LEO cousin for one use to moonlight sa isang mall sa Metro nahinto lang sya coz mas required daw yung mga may K9 na security.

mtho
10-18-2009, 11:30
i think places like ayala makati should consider puting cameras all over at least malaman nila ano yung actula na anangyari, saan direction pumunta yung mga magnanakaw at kung lumipat ba ng sasakyan. tutal kanila naman halos buong business distrct diba.

having video hepls solve a lot of questions like the video of the truck ramming a car and another truck a few days ago.

jerrytrini
10-18-2009, 12:15
meron na nyan Sir Jerry " armed under cover personnel" ..my LEO cousin for one use to moonlight sa isang mall sa Metro nahinto lang sya coz mas required daw yung mga may K9 na security.

Ano kaya ang K9 sa mall? Bomb or Drug or Tracking dogs? In my opinion, bomb dogs should be deployed at mall entrances and some should stay mobile within the mall. Drug dogs are useless in malls and so are trackers. Minute traces of nitrates and other bomb making ingredients (gunpowder) should have alerted the Bomb Dogs. My .02 centime.

isuzu
10-18-2009, 14:33
hindi ata, plus there's the liability issue if things go awry=bad for business.

there is the ayala security force headed by ex-military and ex-cops.

A lot of security guards at Greenbelt and the Ayala mall in Makati (when we were studying in Manila in the early '80s) were former members of elite units (mostly Marines and Rangers) that used to be employed with Roberto S. Benedicto's (RSB) businesses during the Marcos years. Most of them came from Negros Occidental.

PMMA97
10-18-2009, 15:33
How did they expect to make money out of those watches? Registered lahat with serial numbers ang rolex diba? Or gagamitin as campaign gifts mga yun?

Hehe. Mag aabang ako ng "cheap rolex for sale" sa lahat ng forums.


I'm quite sure that they had buyers for those watch long before they entered Ayala. With the Rolex watches being serialized they might be selling them abroad. As what most syndicates did with carnapped luxury cars and SUVs, diretso sa barko then sold to neighboring countries.

edtf
10-18-2009, 16:31
BTW, have you noticed that everytime a national election nears, the incidents of robberies increase? Just wondering.

Yes that really happens and it is usually the high profile type of crimes - bank robbery etc etc...

edtf
10-18-2009, 16:34
How did they expect to make money out of those watches? Registered lahat with serial numbers ang rolex diba? Or gagamitin as campaign gifts mga yun?

Hehe. Mag aabang ako ng "cheap rolex for sale" sa lahat ng forums.

Back on topic, is it legal for companies such as Ayala to form their own emergency response units? Something like an in-house SWAT team to augment blue guard security and police presence. Will this fall under the same category as maintaining a private army?

thin line nga yan but from what I know Ayala Corp has their only security agency na. I think that is doable especially if it is in their jurisdiction. I remember when I went to an office of an agency I saw pictures of guards doing some house clearing drills

kontra
10-18-2009, 17:48
BTW, have you noticed that everytime a national election nears, the incidents of robberies increase? Just wondering.

yes, i do notice this. too much of a coincidence, don't you think?


the leo escorts did the right thing for me. these days, you can never tell what the BG will do next. they can shoot anybody at random just to get out. at that point, nobody knows who and what the BGs background are. whether pro or amateur. whether hard killers or not. whether high on drugs or not. it is very unpredictable. so, i salute the leo escorts for their quick thinking.

for me, ayala guards are one of the best out there. (let's not include the private armies using security guards as cover) so far, they are the most professional guards that i have seen in NCR. having their own quick reaction team would be great, i like this idea. but this needs a lot of legal work and coordination with our PNP and local gov't.

just my 0.02.

saki1611
10-18-2009, 17:56
BTW, have you noticed that everytime a national election nears, the incidents of robberies increase? Just wondering.

as far as i can remember it's quite a trend since 1994, when bank robberies were proliferating, every time the election season is coming. though until now there's no proven facts to connect this with politicians.

How did they expect to make money out of those watches? Registered lahat with serial numbers ang rolex diba? Or gagamitin as campaign gifts mga yun?

Hehe. Mag aabang ako ng "cheap rolex for sale" sa lahat ng forums.

Back on topic, is it legal for companies such as Ayala to form their own emergency response units? Something like an in-house SWAT team to augment blue guard security and police presence. Will this fall under the same category as maintaining a private army?

though most of their security guards are former military, they don't have their own elite security unit. i think they can form a team for this purpose within their AOR, though it should be coordinated with the local police to avoid mis encounters, and have their own uniforms too for proper recognition. though they have to consider the safety of the customers too in case this cruelty happens again. or at least this unit can just be posted strategically for visibility showing their firepower so that would-be robbers will think twice. still prevention is better than cure...

PMMA97
10-18-2009, 18:13
though most of their security guards are former military, they don't have their own elite security unit. i think they can form a team for this purpose within their AOR, though it should be coordinated with the local police to avoid mis encounters, and have their own uniforms too for proper recognition. though they have to consider the safety of the customers too in case this cruelty happens again. or at least this unit can just be posted strategically for visibility showing their firepower so that would-be robbers will think twice. still prevention is better than cure...

The would be robbers would again just be copying uniforms.

There must be some kind of a system to properly and immediately identify friend or foe.

IMO, showing off Firepower to potential customers would be bad for business. Most of the populace are allergic to firearms.

edtf
10-18-2009, 18:52
as far as i can remember it's quite a trend since 1994, when bank robberies were proliferating, every time the election season is coming. though until now there's no proven facts to connect this with politicians.



though most of their security guards are former military, they don't have their own elite security unit. i think they can form a team for this purpose within their AOR, though it should be coordinated with the local police to avoid mis encounters, and have their own uniforms too for proper recognition. though they have to consider the safety of the customers too in case this cruelty happens again. or at least this unit can just be posted strategically for visibility showing their firepower so that would-be robbers will think twice. still prevention is better than cure...


medyo allergic mga zobels sa baril. I'm sure they won't do a display of firepower. I think the best would be pack the place with roving squad cars - parang Christmas season - see a squad car pass every 10 min and you will think twice to do any misdeeds (I hope)


The would be robbers would again just be copying uniforms.

There must be some kind of a system to properly and immediately identify friend or foe.

IMO, showing off Firepower to potential customers would be bad for business. Most of the populace are allergic to firearms.

I think the best is do training regularly - ala Balikatan and have a direct line of communications for ground commanders on both side. One can't rely on visuals anymore.

Funny thing is some BGs have the new uniforms even before the rest of the police force has them.

flyboy 1
10-18-2009, 19:58
Arnold Clavio from GMA 7 news was able to interview on the phone one of the Taguig policemen involved in the shooting. From his account they were the uniformed backup unit surveying the exit route for Mayor Tinga and his family after their lunch in Greenbelt. While on the second floor they "noticed" the perps in the act of smashing the glass windows of the Rolex Shop, and upon determining that these were probably not legit law enforcement, he and his partner initiated the shooting by firing on the BGs in their line of sight. In his words "Pinutukan na namin kaagad." Arnold Clavio later asked "Ano reaksyon nung grupo nung pinutukan ninyo?" to which the cop answered "Gumanti kaagad sa amin yun." Since he and his partner were actually on the second floor across and above the Rolex Shop, they were shooting from a position of cover unlike the BGs. Then the cop added "Kaya lang po, nung dalawa o tatlong minutong putukan na, naubusan kami ng bala at nag jam baril namin."

Admittedly it would be difficult to second guess the officers' actions since they were the ones at the scene and were privy to other factors not immediately evident to those not present. They admitted that among the 6 perps they could see 4 had automatic rifles; 2 M14s and 2 M16's, one even with a M203 Grenade Launcher. Was the decision to initiate the shooting against overwhelming odds and firepower the most intelligent and prudent thing to do? It would be different in a declared war zone but inside an upscale commercial mall with so many civilian men, women and children as potential backstops? It's easy to say ok lang to get the perps but if it were me (or any one of us here) inside Greenbelt with my family I definitely don't want anybody initiating any form of reckless shooting with automatic weapons and a grenade launcher that can get my loved ones killed. Not to mention that the principal they were protecting and his family were also within the area. Is there something we're missing here? Not to downplay the "heroism" of those involved or anything but it just begs the question. :steamed:

paltiq
10-18-2009, 20:24
http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/pop_printer_friendly.asp?TOPIC_ID=5674

kristiansen
10-18-2009, 20:56
1 BG is down.but if there were other innocent civilians were shot because of the engagement of these 2.then it is another different story.it is good that they got 1 BG but the question is,tama kaya ginawa nila considering there are lots of people shopping there.it may have been you or me strolling there.don't get me wrong,those BG's deserve it,just asking.........

paltiq
10-18-2009, 21:01
DE-ESCALATION: the bodyguards mission is to protect their VIP and not engage in a gun battle with the robbers especially if their VIPs safety is not in jeopardy.

...what if they just let the bad guys run and coordinate to the local police ang pag apprehend..

in Ayoobs terms: dont be a Superman ;-) remember The Incredibles...the superheroes help is not always welcome =)

PS...on my part MY FAMILY is my VIP ;-)

kristiansen
10-18-2009, 21:03
sorry.double tap

choi_tan2000
10-18-2009, 23:19
i hope that our police leadership may track this group, actualy sikat n sikat na sila diba?
hope one day eh matyempuhan din ang grupong ito as a result of PNP effort to track down organize crimes (syndicates) so they cant make any terror again. they already attacked a lot of malls like watermart, sm, starmall in laguna and now green belt.

me oras din ang mga ito, sana minsan ay elite groups naman or swat matympuhan nila na nsa place din during their robery o madaanan nila.

edtf
10-19-2009, 00:05
I just finished reading an article in inquirer and gave a rundown of this kind of theft - medyo madami na rin pala.
1) 1996 - Miladay store - Greenbelt
2) 2001 - Farmers Plaza - jewelry store
3) 2001 - SM north - jewelry stores and money changer
4) 2003 - Ever Gotesco mall QC - bank robbery
5) 2003 - Nova mall - hit on roving tellers

some had firefights and deaths but most jobs were over in 10 min.

saki1611
10-19-2009, 00:34
1 BG is down.but if there were other innocent civilians were shot because of the engagement of these 2.then it is another different story.it is good that they got 1 BG but the question is,tama kaya ginawa nila considering there are lots of people shopping there.it may have been you or me strolling there.don't get me wrong,those BG's deserve it,just asking.........

on situation like this it's always a Murphy's Law, "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong." nothing went wrong, so i believe what they did is right. no different stories to talk about. stop speculating things or entertaining things which at the end may suggest that what they did was wrong and at the end it will be at their fault again. we even discuss this in the office and all of my colleagues, including myself, commend their actions and judgment call. the BG that was gunned down, was the one carrying the M203. can you imagine the possible damage if he wasn't stop?

saki1611
10-19-2009, 00:40
DE-ESCALATION: the bodyguards mission is to protect their VIP and not engage in a gun battle with the robbers especially if their VIPs safety is not in jeopardy.

...what if they just let the bad guys run and coordinate to the local police ang pag apprehend..

in Ayoobs terms: dont be a Superman ;-) remember The Incredibles...the superheroes help is not always welcome =)

PS...on my part MY FAMILY is my VIP ;-)

FYI, they were not close-in body guards that's why they were in their uniforms. they were about to come up to the second floor where Mayor Tinga and his family were having lunch, and saw the robbers smashing the display counters. they did not ask for that, they were outnumbered and firepower and still they engaged. if they did not react on that, people who saw them may think and tell to the media that they were cowards, and what will everybody say, especially the wannbes, they are bad eggs. please let us give these two policemen the due honor. i like the points being given by Mr. Ayoob, but not all situations are the same. sometimes because of so much reading many think they're good as they thought. not everything can be learned from magazines, books, and movies, worst from an animation movies. as i always say, dalawang bagay lang yan...:supergrin:

PMMA97
10-19-2009, 00:52
FYI, they were not close-in body guards that's why they were in their uniforms.

Naka Police uniforms ba sila? I thought I saw video footage interview of the more senior ranking officer in plainclothes. If I remember correctly he was wearing a checkered blue polo.

IMO, If they were indeed in uniform then they had no choice but to engage. Just imagine kung naunahan sila ng mga gunggong na yun.

nitrox920
10-19-2009, 01:00
The would be robbers would again just be copying uniforms.

There must be some kind of a system to properly and immediately identify friend or foe.

IMO, showing off Firepower to potential customers would be bad for business. Most of the populace are allergic to firearms.

We'll Filipinos just have to get use to it. Its the reality. Better to show those high powered firearms and prevent crime, than concealing those firearms and seeing criminal activities happening left and right... its a jungle out there.

Banning those uniforms wouldn't even help prevent crimes... these criminals can always hire a tailor to do it for them...

The only system that i believe will work is to make a law requiring law abiding citizen/taxpayer to carry their firearms OPEN or CONCEALED.

PMMA97
10-19-2009, 01:04
If the Rolex outlet just made their glass show cases more secure by installing reinforced aluminum frames and amplimesh grills then maybe the robbers would have attacked a softer target.

saki1611
10-19-2009, 01:06
The would be robbers would again just be copying uniforms.

There must be some kind of a system to properly and immediately identify friend or foe.

IMO, showing off Firepower to potential customers would be bad for business. Most of the populace are allergic to firearms.

when i say uniform it means not a uniform that can easily be be bought from military stores or at at least a counter signs on it. i haven't been to Singapore, somebody told me that their elite units are deployed in malls with their MP5's on their chests, still tourist and locals are coming to malls.

any idea you can suggest or share? who knows you might be a better thinker with our generals... :dunno:

PMMA97
10-19-2009, 01:15
when i say uniform it means not a uniform that can easily be be bought from military stores or at at least a counter signs on it. i haven't been to Singapore, somebody told me that their elite units are deployed in malls with their MP5's on their chests, still tourist and locals are coming to malls.

any idea you can suggest or share? who knows you might be a better thinker with our generals... :dunno:

Counter signs, markings and what nots can be copied or studied. With the right knowledge and the wrong intentions it can easily be manipulated by syndicates. Even ID's that are "high tech" finds it's way to criminal elements.

I guess it will all boil down to political will and cooperation of everybody from the civilians to the PNP hierarchy.

We have to be sure who the "real criminals" are. Then we may start to think or suggest to the generals what to do next.

saki1611
10-19-2009, 01:32
it's really sad that many of us know only how to criticize but no alternative ideas to give for the betterment the country we live in...:crying:

toxic
10-19-2009, 01:34
Ano kaya ang K9 sa mall? Bomb or Drug or Tracking dogs? In my opinion, bomb dogs should be deployed at mall entrances and some should stay mobile within the mall. Drug dogs are useless in malls and so are trackers. Minute traces of nitrates and other bomb making ingredients (gunpowder) should have alerted the Bomb Dogs. My .02 centime.


that was the same question in my cousin's mind , mas mabute pa raw mga aso at may priority na mag karoon ng trabaho kesa tao..bottom line is nag tititpid yung mall coz K9 security are cheaper than the real deal armed guards.

I just finished reading an article in inquirer and gave a rundown of this kind of theft - medyo madami na rin pala.
1) 1996 - Miladay store - Greenbelt
2) 2001 - Farmers Plaza - jewelry store
3) 2001 - SM north - jewelry stores and money changer
4) 2003 - Ever Gotesco mall QC - bank robbery
5) 2003 - Nova mall - hit on roving tellers

6) SM pampanga got robbed a few years back , my family was there may back to school sale, nag kaputukan that they , nag tago na lang sila sa ilalaim ng table sa loob ng KFC, good thing one of the staff immediately closed the full down metal door...

I dont think no one can really be prepared in situations like even trained LEO's sometime think twice to intervene --yah its their job but may kanya kanya paring pamilya sila like us and may pailan ilan na talagang matitigas ang loob na humarap sa ganito like the two LEO/Body guards ..eto tanong dyan..pano na kung balikan sila nung remaining perps at large or even thier families..hirap din mga buhay nila i hope they get better equipment, salaries benefits and after service support from our government..Wishful thinking

For us civies..siguro always be alert and cooperate to the proper authorities( the real good ones)

choi_tan2000
10-19-2009, 01:37
We'll Filipinos just have to get use to it. Its the reality. Better to show those high powered firearms and prevent crime, than concealing those firearms and seeing criminal activities happening left and right... its a jungle out there.

Banning those uniforms wouldn't even help prevent crimes... these criminals can always hire a tailor to do it for them...

The only system that i believe will work is to make a law requiring law abiding citizen/taxpayer to carry their firearms OPEN or CONCEALED.

amen to this brother plus 1

choi_tan2000
10-19-2009, 01:42
it's really sad that many of us know only how to criticize but no alternative ideas to give for the betterment the country we live in...:crying:

the best thing to do now really is to think and plan how to catch this bad guys. what happend has already happend, the best thing to do now think what are we going to do so it will not happen again.

like police response time (how to shorten) mall guards coordination with local police (for sure bibilis ang responde if may direct communication from the guard to pnp or cctv) this are just examples.

i agree with saki on this matter ( not only for LEOs but to civilians also)
what we should or can do if this things happend like calling police hotlines and give them the details where this bstards are going or directions.

just my 2 cents

toxic
10-19-2009, 01:56
it's really sad that many of us know only how to criticize but no alternative ideas to give for the betterment the country we live in...:crying:

:upeyes: Dyan minsan tayo magagaling, mampuna at manlait minsan pa nga Sir yung mga hindi nagsisipagbayad ng tax ang mareklamo at critico..( di pala ko nagbabayad ng tax:faint:)

i was ranting a few years back here about how our country should improve..from an OFW point of view , kailangan natin dyan ay more jobs..how can we have jobs : improve domestic security, ipag bawal yung mga tahol ng tahol sa kalye, pasukin yung mindanao area, total war sa commies ng tumahimik tayo parepareho and hopefully pasukin tayo ng investors, then there's red tape ....jeezz pag kuha palang ng cedula may red tape na..but im not loosing hope , we have to start in our own homes by not giving in to the petty red tapes..mag migrate is an option like most of my relatives do but kahit saan may violence , my dad in law got mugged in LA and decided to go back home.

na oo OT na ako...Are we safe at home (pinas) sa aking pananaw safe tayo as long as we work with the proper authorities..kahit papano meron naman nagsisipag trabaho ng matino, desente at may integridad, yung ibang may problema wag nating ipag walang bahala at ng mapailtan ng matitino like the two LEO who indeed fight till thier last bullet.

kontra
10-19-2009, 02:49
when i say uniform it means not a uniform that can easily be be bought from military stores or at at least a counter signs on it. i haven't been to Singapore, somebody told me that their elite units are deployed in malls with their MP5's on their chests, still tourist and locals are coming to malls.

any idea you can suggest or share? who knows you might be a better thinker with our generals... :dunno:

singapore deploys their military and police with mp5 and their SAR bullpup rifles in the airports. they always walk in three's. one police (mp5) and two military (SAR bullpup). you can see them patrolling the whole day all throughout the airport.

you can also see the gurkha's with MP5 standing at the entrance of the american country club there.

but you will not see people making an issue out of it. because people feel more safe and secure with them around. nobody even pays attention to them, even the tourists. maybe it is only gun lovers (like us) who gives them a second look.

i also agree with you, that if the two uniformed policemen didn't react, a lot of people will criticize them. that is what pinoys are good at. or it could be worse, the BG will shoot them immediately upon seeing their uniform. a lot of "what if's". at the end of the day, no civilian died. no casualty to the police, one BG dead. that is the result that our LEO should be proud of.

OT: any politician grand standing and trying to get "pogi" points of this incident? :whistling:

PMMA97
10-19-2009, 04:19
Two many "what ifs" and "maybes" being spread around.

Let's just stick to the fact that a bad guy is dead courtesy of men who did something so that evil, at least at that specific moment, may not triumph.

Clusterbomb
10-19-2009, 04:28
If the Rolex outlet just made their glass show cases more secure by installing reinforced aluminum frames and amplimesh grills then maybe the robbers would have attacked a softer target.

The glass in display cases were layered with safety film- kaya nga kahit matilyuhin ng mga perps yung second display case hindi nila nabasag. Yung mga Rolex na nakuha nila galing sa isang display case na bukas dahil may customer na tumitingin.

9MX
10-19-2009, 07:12
it's really sad that many of us know only how to criticize but no alternative ideas to give for the betterment the country we live in...:crying:

hayaan mo na sila..tahan na ulit empoy

Eye Cutter
10-19-2009, 07:42
kelangan merong nakataling puting handkerchief sa ulo para alam nila na mga good guys!

9MX
10-19-2009, 07:44
kelangan merong nakataling puting handkerchief sa ulo para alam nila na mga good guys!

doc, panahon pa nina chiquito yan ha:rofl:

saki1611
10-19-2009, 08:07
kelangan merong nakataling puting handkerchief sa ulo para alam nila na mga good guys!

doc, panahon pa nina chiquito yan ha:rofl:

fyi, some old school operatives are still using this as counter sign during raids, it's not bad actually. it depends to the leader of the operation what counter sign can be used and mostly this is given at the last minute of operation to avoid leakage.

Eye Cutter
10-19-2009, 08:13
oh ha???? idol ko si fpj e!

kristiansen
10-19-2009, 08:29
on situation like this it's always a Murphy's Law, "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong." nothing went wrong, so i believe what they did is right. no different stories to talk about. stop speculating things or entertaining things which at the end may suggest that what they did was wrong and at the end it will be at their fault again. we even discuss this in the office and all of my colleagues, including myself, commend their actions and judgment call. the BG that was gunned down, was the one carrying the M203. can you imagine the possible damage if he wasn't stop?

i;m not speculating sir.nagtatanong lang po.

9MX
10-19-2009, 08:29
oh ha???? idol ko si fpj e!

mediavillo!:cool:

mtho
10-19-2009, 09:58
when i say uniform it means not a uniform that can easily be be bought from military stores or at at least a counter signs on it. i haven't been to Singapore, somebody told me that their elite units are deployed in malls with their MP5's on their chests, still tourist and locals are coming to malls.

any idea you can suggest or share? who knows you might be a better thinker with our generals... :dunno:

in a controlled area like ayala makati, i think it would be possible to assign snipers on stratigisc get away routes. i'm sure the ayalas could afford a few barrets or some form of 50cal rifle that could easily immobilize an engine block.

that way guns wont be so visble around the dense area where AD could be scandalous while enough gun is there where police could engage them when not so many civilians are around. besides di nakawin ang 50 cal kasi wala naman mabiling bala nyan diba.

cebuboy
10-19-2009, 09:59
Good guys +1 :)

saki1611
10-19-2009, 10:02
i;m not speculating sir.nagtatanong lang po.

ok. i hope may nakuha kang sagot sa tanong mo...:dunno:

9MX
10-19-2009, 10:15
in a controlled area like ayala makati, i think it would be possible to assign snipers on stratigisc get away routes. i'm sure the ayalas could afford a few barrets or some form of 50cal rifle that could easily immobilize an engine block.

that way guns wont be so visble around the dense area where AD could be scandalous while enough gun is there where police could engage them when not so many civilians are around. besides di nakawin ang 50 cal kasi wala naman mabiling bala nyan diba.

mahirap yan pards, a good sniper must have confidence..and that comes from practice..a lot of practice..and that's expensive..

mtho
10-19-2009, 10:32
yeah but some streets of makati during sundays is practicall empty. and snipers assigned to their post on a regular basis would easily be familiar on picking their shots when its possible and knowing that if they dont have a good shot another sniper a few blocks away might have it. plus having this in place makes it a deterrent from such a daring act to happen. imagine knowing that theres are snipers watching on roof decks just picking their shots.

Wp.22
10-19-2009, 18:01
I heard in the news that the BG's got away with 6M worth of watches they could have gotten more if they went inside the patek store but it seems they are only interested with the rolex watches. It's not even all rolex that they got but also rolex little cousin TUDOR.

Everytime i see a new rolex now will made me think saan galin yan. Buti na lang casio lang ang relo ko.

Eye Cutter
10-19-2009, 18:04
wehehehe! yung roleks ko mura lang, galing thailand! hahaha!

choi_tan2000
10-19-2009, 18:09
there realy a lot of posible way to secure these malls and the security of people inside. i dont care seeing uniformed pnp personel or marines pa yan inside mall guarding us. ifeel safer that way. at least if something happen alam natin n may malapit na tutulong o reresponde diba.


on the other hand sana eh mapalakas din ang enforcement (CIDG, NBI etc or any other govt units) to look after this syndicates after they did work like this. kelangan habulin at mahunting ang mga yan ( root of the problems) are this syndicates. im hoping na after this eh merun din mga follow up operation na maging succesful para maubos mga ganitong tao.

with this my prayers for the safety of LEOs pursuing this groups and those guarding us daily in the streets.

isuzu
10-19-2009, 20:30
the BG that was gunned down, was the one carrying the M203. can you imagine the possible damage if he wasn't stop?

:thumbsup:

isuzu
10-19-2009, 20:36
singapore deploys their military and police with mp5 and their SAR bullpup rifles in the airports. they always walk in three's. one police (mp5) and two military (SAR bullpup). you can see them patrolling the whole day all throughout the airport.

you can also see the gurkha's with MP5 standing at the entrance of the american country club there.

but you will not see people making an issue out of it. because people feel more safe and secure with them around. nobody even pays attention to them, even the tourists. maybe it is only gun lovers (like us) who gives them a second look.

i also agree with you, that if the two uniformed policemen didn't react, a lot of people will criticize them. that is what pinoys are good at. or it could be worse, the BG will shoot them immediately upon seeing their uniform. a lot of "what if's". at the end of the day, no civilian died. no casualty to the police, one BG dead. that is the result that our LEO should be proud of.

OT: any politician grand standing and trying to get "pogi" points of this incident? :whistling:

Bawal yata magreklamo ang mga tao sa Singapore. Parang may nakabantay sa likod nila palagi. Tapos total gun ban doon.

You're right. Filipinos are too trivial and criticize almost anything. That's why our country struggles to improve and develop.

mtho
10-19-2009, 20:39
wehehehe! yung roleks ko mura lang, galing thailand! hahaha!

kala ko panerai yung binili mo?

presidingglock
10-19-2009, 21:33
Judgment call iyong ginawa ng dalawang policemen whether to engage the bad guys or not, this I believe was based on their training, tactics and experience. Hindi naman siguro nila ginawa iyon dahil gusto lang nilang maging hero and collateral damage be damned. Obviously, they were proven correct in making that decision since there were no civilian or leo casualties. Let us just honor this guys for answering the call of duty, it would have been easier to walk away from their responsibilities...God only knows what would have happened then.

CatsMeow
10-19-2009, 22:00
We should remember that those two cops are cops first, who just happened to have another assignment as security escorts. Thus they cannot be faulted for responding as they did.

Also, a cop does not cease being one when he takes off his uniform at home, as he is considered on duty 24/7, which is why the Supreme Court has, in many cases, upheld the grant of benefits to their heirs if they get killed even if they were not in uniform and at their post or assignment.

Eye Cutter
10-19-2009, 23:05
kala ko panerai yung binili mo?

yung panerai din! hahaha!

atmarcella
10-20-2009, 01:31
the 2 very good, very brave cops did the right thing. IMO. amen.

ps,

kung naka glock sana sila ubos sana ang lima hehehehe... o me magagalit na naman dyan ha hehehehehe.

jimbullet
10-20-2009, 01:56
fyi, some old school operatives are still using this as counter sign during raids, it's not bad actually. it depends to the leader of the operation what counter sign can be used and mostly this is given at the last minute of operation to avoid leakage.

You wouldnt suppose that a white band on the head might just invoke a head shot from the BG's? Then again they might not be such a good aim

CatsMeow
10-20-2009, 02:19
I could imagine Saki looking like an "albularyo" in certain operations...:supergrin:

zij11zk
10-20-2009, 02:37
the 2 very good, very brave cops did the right thing. IMO. amen.

ps,

kung naka glock sana sila ubos sana ang lima hehehehe... o me magagalit na naman dyan ha hehehehehe.


:rofl: I Agree... kung naka GLOCK... hindi sana nag JAM yung gamit nila... :)

saki1611
10-20-2009, 06:41
Judgment call iyong ginawa ng dalawang policemen whether to engage the bad guys or not, this I believe was based on their training, tactics and experience. Hindi naman siguro nila ginawa iyon dahil gusto lang nilang maging hero and collateral damage be damned. Obviously, they were proven correct in making that decision since there were no civilian or leo casualties. Let us just honor this guys for answering the call of duty, it would have been easier to walk away from their responsibilities...God only knows what would have happened then.

...and both came from SAF.

saki1611
10-20-2009, 06:47
I could imagine Saki looking like an "albularyo" in certain operations...:supergrin:

:embarassed:

nitrox920
10-20-2009, 06:53
MINUS ONE POINT (-1) FOR THE GUN FREE ZONE...:tongueout:

mtho
10-20-2009, 06:55
doc, panahon pa nina chiquito yan ha:rofl:

mannix mang kepweng yung naalala mo, eh albularyo yun. besides diba vice ng makati si chiquito:tongueout:

saki1611
10-20-2009, 07:03
mannix mang kepweng yung naalala mo, eh albularyo yun. besides diba vice ng makati si chiquito:tongueout:


and dati rin hagad si chiquito.

cebuboy
10-20-2009, 07:17
It would be good to have more cops like those two...

liveandletlive
10-20-2009, 07:31
It would be good to have more cops like those two...

Sana sampong katulad nila an nandun sa GB5 nung oras nayon, ubos sana yung mga BG. Buti nga sa kanila, -1 sila:tongueout:

9MX
10-20-2009, 08:03
and dati rin hagad si chiquito.

yep, dating hagad si tochiquits

enting
10-20-2009, 08:17
It would be good to have more cops like those two...

Hindi ba kasuhan ng taga human rights/family ng namatay na robber yung dalawang pulis dahil parang ambush yung nangyari base on the statement ng dalawang pulis. Maygali wala did2 c dumpit.

enting
10-20-2009, 08:33
Nagkasalubong daw ng 5 robbers wearing bomb squad uniform at responding pulis at sinabihan pa ng robbers ang mga pulis na" may bomb threat pero nagkaputukan na doon, lumabas nalang kami. Hindi daw yun Alvin flores gang at mahirap ma identify dahil walang magclaim sa dead body ng robber. Marami pa daw rolex nadala.Don't know kung totoo ito baka storya lang. Ito ay sinabi ng taxi driver, maraming alam baka sasusunod magsuot ng rolex yung taxi driver.

darwin25
10-20-2009, 18:56
when i say uniform it means not a uniform that can easily be be bought from military stores or at at least a counter signs on it. i haven't been to Singapore, somebody told me that their elite units are deployed in malls with their MP5's on their chests, still tourist and locals are coming to malls.

any idea you can suggest or share? who knows you might be a better thinker with our generals... :dunno:

Bro saki, the bigger problem than the illegal use of police uniforms is the very loose use of the word "POLICE". I mean you can see the word police almost anywhere. Nandyan ang Baranggay Pulis, Police Oyster at kung anu-ano pang pwedeng pagkabitan ng word na "POLICE". Even yung nagtratraffic lang sa kanto namin nakasuot pa ng highlighter na vest na may nakasulat na PULIS tapos naka-camouflage pa. All just to impose authority against others.

iancg1
10-20-2009, 19:27
Bro saki, the bigger problem than the illegal use of police uniforms is the very loose use of the word "POLICE". I mean you can see the word police almost anywhere. Nandyan ang Baranggay Pulis, Police Oyster at kung anu-ano pang pwedeng pagkabitan ng word na "POLICE". Even yung nagtratraffic lang sa kanto namin nakasuot pa ng highlighter na vest na may nakasulat na PULIS tapos naka-camouflage pa. All just to impose authority against others.

The rules and regulations against the misuse of military/LE uniforms should really be enforced. There are a lot of wannabees and robbers out there who use the uniform to mislead and/or intimidate people.

isuzu
10-20-2009, 19:43
You wouldnt suppose that a white band on the head might just invoke a head shot from the BG's? Then again they might not be such a good aim

It's hard to hit a moving target (and in a lot of cases, shooting back at you) on the torso, how much more for a headshot?

edtf
10-20-2009, 21:49
Bro saki, the bigger problem than the illegal use of police uniforms is the very loose use of the word "POLICE". I mean you can see the word police almost anywhere. Nandyan ang Baranggay Pulis, Police Oyster at kung anu-ano pang pwedeng pagkabitan ng word na "POLICE". Even yung nagtratraffic lang sa kanto namin nakasuot pa ng highlighter na vest na may nakasulat na PULIS tapos naka-camouflage pa. All just to impose authority against others.

what is up with that Pulis OYSTER???? First of all OYSTER is suppose to be for out of school youth but how come they are all soooo old and why police??

saki1611
10-21-2009, 09:54
Bro saki, the bigger problem than the illegal use of police uniforms is the very loose use of the word "POLICE". I mean you can see the word police almost anywhere. Nandyan ang Baranggay Pulis, Police Oyster at kung anu-ano pang pwedeng pagkabitan ng word na "POLICE". Even yung nagtratraffic lang sa kanto namin nakasuot pa ng highlighter na vest na may nakasulat na PULIS tapos naka-camouflage pa. All just to impose authority against others.

yan ang problema eh, maraming gustong maging pulis eh. it should be regulated, i don't think the word POLICE to be printed in shirts is the problem. probably one solution is to have an exclusive distributor of the PNP and AFP uniform. there should also have public information with regards to the proper uniform of the police and its uses or when it's officially use or not.

Allegra
10-21-2009, 10:06
Halloween farty ngayon sa IC's Bar
badtrip swat sana isusuot ko , siguro K-9 nalang

kerwin
10-21-2009, 11:37
the bg who died was using an airsoft m203 for props. The brand clearly showed "classic army", but the rifle was real. The Cops who responded had the balls to engage the perps. The dead bg's rifle was quite intimidating with that m203 toy added to it. buti nga sa kanya.

isuzu
10-21-2009, 20:40
yan ang problema eh, maraming gustong maging pulis eh. it should be regulated, i don't think the word POLICE to be printed in shirts is the problem. probably one solution is to have an exclusive distributor of the PNP and AFP uniform. there should also have public information with regards to the proper uniform of the police and it's uses or when it's officially use or not.

Di ba nauso yung Police na sunglasses, then came the shirts, caps, and what else.

Ako, gusto ko DEA. Drink Every Afternoon! :)

superman79
10-22-2009, 12:35
I'm quite sure that they had buyers for those watch long before they entered Ayala. With the Rolex watches being serialized they might be selling them abroad. As what most syndicates did with carnapped luxury cars and SUVs, diretso sa barko then sold to neighboring countries.

Problem is, the Rolex watches that got stolen can never be serviced by a AD and the warranty is also now useless. Once one of the watches is taken to a AD, it will come up stolen and the watch will be taken away as well as the person that is having it serviced. Haha!:crying:

isuzu
10-22-2009, 18:51
It was mentioned that the two policemen's firearms either ran out of ammo or jammed during the firefight. I posted this in another forum, and I hope this would come true for the two policemen:

Is there a way for Armscor to honor the two valiant policemen who fought the much more superior-armed robbers with new Armscor pistols? The pistol that come to mind is the MAP1 Full Size because of their all-steel construction and high capacity, as well as their well-known reliability.

I recall that Armscor rewarded a security guard assigned to PCIBank on Taft Ave. who fought bank robbers either in the late '80s or early '90s with an Armscor shotgun and some cash.

I hope there would be a repeat of this gesture by the good men and women of Armscor. I'm sure the policemen would be proud of having an Armsor pistol on their holster.

Black_SIR
10-22-2009, 19:45
Halloween farty ngayon sa IC's Bar
badtrip swat sana isusuot ko , siguro K-9 nalang

ingats bro baka mahuli ka, oarang may law na ata bawal to use those shirts.


pero dun sa 2 pilis maybe they should be tripling thier alert baka baliksan sila dun... :wow::wow::wow::wow::wow:

Wp.22
10-22-2009, 20:03
It was mentioned that the two policemen's firearms either ran out of ammo or jammed during the firefight. I posted this in another forum, and I hope this would come true for the two policemen:

Is there a way for Armscor to honor the two valiant policemen who fought the much more superior-armed robbers with new Armscor pistols? The pistol that come to mind is the MAP1 Full Size because of their all-steel construction and high capacity, as well as their well-known reliability.

I recall that Armscor rewarded a security guard assigned to PCIBank on Taft Ave. who fought bank robbers either in the late '80s or early '90s with an Armscor shotgun and some cash.

I hope there would be a repeat of this gesture by the good men and women of Armscor. I'm sure the policemen would be proud of having an Armsor pistol on their holster.


Okay din media mileage nito sir good for the company din baka busy lang ang armscor sa AA3

mtho
10-22-2009, 20:37
It was mentioned that the two policemen's firearms either ran out of ammo or jammed during the firefight. I posted this in another forum, and I hope this would come true for the two policemen:

Is there a way for Armscor to honor the two valiant policemen who fought the much more superior-armed robbers with new Armscor pistols? The pistol that come to mind is the MAP1 Full Size because of their all-steel construction and high capacity, as well as their well-known reliability.

I recall that Armscor rewarded a security guard assigned to PCIBank on Taft Ave. who fought bank robbers either in the late '80s or early '90s with an Armscor shotgun and some cash.

I hope there would be a repeat of this gesture by the good men and women of Armscor. I'm sure the policemen would be proud of having an Armsor pistol on their holster.

di ba si sonny parsons yung naalala mo?

mtho
10-22-2009, 20:40
Problem is, the Rolex watches that got stolen can never be serviced by a AD and the warranty is also now useless. Once one of the watches is taken to a AD, it will come up stolen and the watch will be taken away as well as the person that is having it serviced. Haha!:crying:

+1 one of the reasons for buying rolex would be the service that comes with it. a friend told me that rolex service compared to omega is night and day. quality and price wise.

bog_guest
10-22-2009, 20:59
what is up with that Pulis OYSTER???? First of all OYSTER is suppose to be for out of school youth but how come they are all soooo old and why police??

Whenever I see someone wearing that shirt I go... "Uy pulis talaba!":supergrin:

isuzu
10-23-2009, 21:38
di ba si sonny parsons yung naalala mo?

Nope. Different person.

Wp.22
10-23-2009, 23:27
It was mentioned that the two policemen's firearms either ran out of ammo or jammed during the firefight. I posted this in another forum, and I hope this would come true for the two policemen:

Is there a way for Armscor to honor the two valiant policemen who fought the much more superior-armed robbers with new Armscor pistols? The pistol that come to mind is the MAP1 Full Size because of their all-steel construction and high capacity, as well as their well-known reliability.

I recall that Armscor rewarded a security guard assigned to PCIBank on Taft Ave. who fought bank robbers either in the late '80s or early '90s with an Armscor shotgun and some cash.

I hope there would be a repeat of this gesture by the good men and women of Armscor. I'm sure the policemen would be proud of having an Armsor pistol on their holster.

I think this was made into a movie the actor was gary estrada. They film the robbery scene in boni avenue mandaluyong where BPI now is located.

enting
10-24-2009, 07:40
Mas expensive yung Rolex Greenbelt 5 Robbery Limited Edition. Ban ang police swat, bomb squad uniforms sa civilian, kung ang robber mag santa claus uniform ban din ang santa claus uniform sa civilian.:rofl:
Naalala ko din yung ipa ban yung mga dark tint sa kotse at full face helmet dahil yun ang ginamit ng kriminal.

jimbullet
10-24-2009, 13:04
Mas expensive yung Rolex Greenbelt 5 Robbery Limited Edition. Ban ang police swat, bomb squad uniforms sa civilian, kung ang robber mag santa claus uniform ban din ang santa claus uniform sa civilian.:rofl:
Naalala ko din yung ipa ban yung mga dark tint sa kotse at full face helmet dahil yun ang ginamit ng kriminal.

I wouldnt be surprised if criminals start using santa claus costumes during the yuletide season.

Wp.22
10-27-2009, 23:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7-lXLcXiNw&feature=player_embedded

listen to what the wife is saying:steamed:

edtf
10-28-2009, 00:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7-lXLcXiNw&feature=player_embedded

listen to what the wife is saying:steamed:


WTF!!!!!!!!!! HELLO!!!!!!!

Don't tell me her husband was carrying an M16 just to show off!!! With the thing he is doing it is kill or be killed :steamed:

Wp.22
10-28-2009, 00:54
WTF!!!!!!!!!! HELLO!!!!!!!

Don't tell me her husband was carrying an M16 just to show off!!! With the thing he is doing it is kill or be killed :steamed:

Addict yata ito sa pinoy movies na talkies muna bago mabarilan or in the middle of shooting eh mag uusap yung bida at goons. Baka iniisip nya na sniper yung dalawang pulis at pwede shot placement

jimbullet
10-28-2009, 01:19
WTF!!!!!!!!!! HELLO!!!!!!!

Don't tell me her husband was carrying an M16 just to show off!!! With the thing he is doing it is kill or be killed :steamed:

Lethal force was justified and was used appropriately period.

The wife obviously just had to say something in front (back) of media