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nitrox920
11-22-2009, 10:09
Someone is offering me two units of M16 and I need some of your opinion on this bro...a 7 inche barrel ( infant/kitty kat) and the a standard 20" barrel? which one should i decide on?

CatsMeow
11-22-2009, 19:18
It depends on what you will be using it for. The 7.5 is very quick to deploy as it is SMG size, great for CQB, but is rather bad for the ears, horrendous muzzle flash, plus the bullet may not fragment due to the short barrel. As for the 20incher, for general use it's ok, but is a distinct liability if you want to make like Chris Costa:supergrin:, as I found out. But bullets from a 20-incher will reliably make a mess of your assailant's body, up to about 200 meters with M193.

ahtsay
11-22-2009, 19:37
are they both the same price? :)

Black_SIR
11-22-2009, 20:07
afaik the best 14.5 best of both worlds

ako guston gusto ko rin maiiksi pero prone to jam po yan sir according sa mga rifle experts. :whistling:

bikethief
11-22-2009, 20:19
What are the specs of both? Barrel length might not be the only deciding factor. And how much is he selling? If you post the specs and price we can see if your money is worth the rifle you're getting.

glock19mariner
11-23-2009, 10:57
afaik the best 14.5 best of both worlds

ako guston gusto ko rin maiiksi pero prone to jam po yan sir according sa mga rifle experts. :whistling:

jam can be fixed by using pigtails tube pipe. i have a couple of kitti kat with pigtails tube no jammed whatsoever since day 1 up to present

Black_SIR
11-23-2009, 20:04
best of both worlds - cqb and sniping ( long range shooitng )

personally i prefer the short din pang carry..

casmot
11-24-2009, 07:24
jam can be fixed by using pigtails tube pipe. i have a couple of kitti kat with pigtails tube no jammed whatsoever since day 1 up to present

I'm kinda new with ARs... what are pigtails? I have a couple that needs to be fixed. Where can I get them? Thanks

atmarcella
11-25-2009, 02:01
personally i refer to an infant as a magnum22, but thats just me hehehe.

nitrox920
11-25-2009, 08:36
the infant is at 55k and the standard is at 45k. the conditions from 1 to 10 is around 8. passing an opportunity like this is highly regrettable. Until now, I still don't know what to decide on... I really appreciate your suggestion on this.

INFANT 2
STANDARD 2

MAJINKONG
11-25-2009, 09:21
get shorty and a long neck AND enjoy both, at least the upper man lang... but i will pick an m4 (14.5), mababaw lang kaligayahan ko. he he

bikethief
11-25-2009, 12:24
Can you test fire them both? If not, get the 20 incher. Mas sigurado ang reliability.

ahtsay
11-25-2009, 19:17
can you post pics? What kind of receivers and parts are on them?

asian_glockster
11-26-2009, 03:21
I'll go for a standard... If I want to have an infant configuration, I will have it customized by my gunsmith of choice.. It's just I'm not sure whether the infant is reliable or not..

CatsMeow
11-26-2009, 03:59
I'm kinda new with ARs... what are pigtails? I have a couple that needs to be fixed. Where can I get them? Thanks

The pig-tail gas tube:
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1591/Product/AR_15_M16_PIGTAIL_GAS_TUBE

You could try True Weight or Final Option.

cebuboy
11-26-2009, 07:03
If it is for serious social purposes, imho, get the 20 incher...
If you want something to play with, get the infant... :)

nitrox920
11-26-2009, 10:42
infant - 4
standard - 6

this is interesting. :wow:
the infant is a colt that was configured by a reliable gunsmith
the standard handguard was change from the triangular to an m16a2 (tube type).

It seems that the 20" has more following than the 7" infant. But what i observed for the past few issues of the different gun magazine, the 7inche are becoming popular among american law enforcers. as a replacement for those pistol caliber smg.

nitrox920
11-26-2009, 11:25
infant - 4
standard - 6

Javelin
11-26-2009, 11:39
Here is my advice off the top of my head:

7.5" - Pros: Great PDW length for vehicles/covert security. Cons: Won't stabilize bullets reliably, cannot suppress due to high risk of baffle strikes, can sometimes be unreliable and ammo finicky due to reduced length of gas tube; severe penalties to velocity and stopping power even with heavier bullets.

10.5"- Pros: (probably the best all-round CQB/patrol performer) Great CQB length for vehicles/entry teams/security patrol; can be suppressed with OAL of <16" using an AAC M42K Can; reliable and non-specific ammo dependent. Cons: Must use 75gr. bullets as the barrel length does not give lighter 5.56 bullets enough velocity to effectively fragment on a target.

12.5" - Pros: same as above but with the added benefit of being able to suppress using the AAC SPR-M4 suppressor giving better suppressed results. Cons: same as above

14.5" - Pros: compact design; allows the bullet more velocity and so not dependent on heavy 5.56 ammo for reliable fragmentation; can use any non-military suppressors due to decreased pressures at blast baffle. Cons: Sacrificing mobility and concealment for a more full size platform.

16" - Same as above but with the added option of a medium-length gas system.

18-20"- Pros: (probably the best all round SPR/sniper performer) Full power 5.56 shots for farther reaching shots and more lethality on target; full length gas system provides ease of use and quick accurate on-target follow-up shots Cons: severe mobility constraints in and around vehicles, room clearing, building entry, and CQB-type activities.

isuzu
11-27-2009, 19:45
personally i refer to an infant as a magnum22, but thats just me hehehe.

But that's true. :)

Nitrox, add one vote for the standard for me. Thanks!

zachattack38
11-27-2009, 21:12
at that price, i personally think na panalo ka sa deal kahit ano mapili mo. even if you change your mind later and get another barrel that you prefer, mura pa din lalabas. i would personally go for the 20"

Young Once
11-28-2009, 02:42
Get the "20". Given the modular nature of the rifle, it would not be difficult to change the specs later should you want to do so.

nitrox920
11-30-2009, 09:35
infant 4
standard 10

edtf
11-30-2009, 20:39
I say standard too :). might not be cool looking but reliability and effectiveness is there

darwin25
12-01-2009, 00:16
Standard for me.

glock19mariner
12-01-2009, 09:31
I'm kinda new with ARs... what are pigtails? I have a couple that needs to be fixed. Where can I get them? Thanks

hey bro whats up? its been awhile wasnt? i went to your house in Q.C. do you still lived there? ill might be coming home this xmas hope i can get a t-shirts of BoGs again if there any left in your box?

superman79
12-01-2009, 21:28
the infant is at 55k and the standard is at 45k. the conditions from 1 to 10 is around 8. passing an opportunity like this is highly regrettable. Until now, I still don't know what to decide on... I really appreciate your suggestion on this.

INFANT 2
STANDARD 2

Whats your budget?

royal glockster
12-12-2009, 07:58
Get the 20" then assemble a shorty when you have the budget.

nitrox920
12-15-2009, 06:40
infant 4
standard 13

thanks amigos..... I'm taking the standard...:wavey::wavey:

edtf
12-15-2009, 06:59
infant 4
standard 13

thanks amigos..... I'm taking the standard...:wavey::wavey:

Don't worry that would be your first and I'm sure not your last - very addicting ang rifle build :supergrin:

bagito
12-15-2009, 08:08
:cool:kinfant 4
standard 13

thanks amigos..... I'm taking the standard...:wavey::wavey:

kung available pa bilhin ko yung infant. Pa PM bro..

sandman_sy
12-16-2009, 09:25
and so it begins... (insert devilish laugh) hahahah...

Stages ng Rifle Shooter :) hahahah...

Stage 1:BRD.. Black Rifle Disease...
Stage 2:EWD.. Empty Wallet Disease...
Stage 3:NWD.. Negative Wallet Disease...
Final Stage:PNM.. Paty ni Missis :) hahahahah...