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fulltang
11-29-2009, 10:20
So what is your favorite SD load?

Do you like to stay with a heavy 180 or go light and fast?

It seems to me that most loads in this caliber are pretty effective. I just use what shoots close to POA as long as it is a quality hollowpoint.

sarge133
11-30-2009, 07:32
I prefer the 180gr. Federal HSTs. But thats mostly because I grew up shooting 230gr. .45ACP. I just feel more comfortable with the heavier round.

Ak.Hiker
11-30-2009, 22:33
I prefer the Hornady 155 grain XTP in my Glock 22 as a carry load. But I have never found a bad load either. Lots to choose from in the 40. If I want more penetration than the 155 XTP offers i would load it with the Speer 180 grain TMJ or the Double Tap 200 grain FMJ.

den888
11-30-2009, 22:57
Federal 155 gr Hi-Shok

Rusty Guns
12-10-2009, 23:50
I carry Winchester Silvertips, cause that is what I have right now.
Having trouble finding any other rounds, so I'll just keep on.

Rusty

vinnier6
12-11-2009, 07:11
i would say you want the heaviest, slowest load you can get....so for a .40 it would be the 180grain in brand of your pref.....

mymini40
12-11-2009, 09:27
70 grain magsafes.

dobegrant
12-11-2009, 11:26
federal 180 gr hs

The 49er
12-11-2009, 11:39
I like the 180's

180 grain Remington Golden Sabers

or

180 Hornady Tap

Trademark
12-13-2009, 10:43
180 grn sabers

Joshhtn
12-13-2009, 10:45
Every mag I have is loaded up with 180 HST's.

JohnP82
12-13-2009, 20:23
I like the Speer Gold Dots 180 gr

Boxerglocker
12-13-2009, 22:33
180 grn sabers

My old favorite.... my new one is the 165g HST

glockandgroovin'
12-15-2009, 18:40
My G23 is loaded with Hydra Shoks..I believe them to be 165 gr..

Keith E.
12-16-2009, 10:32
180GDHP.

Keith

AJSully421
12-16-2009, 23:03
180 HST in the gun, 180 GD in the spare mag

DRT
12-18-2009, 20:29
1) 180gr HST or Ranger T-series
2) 165gr Ranger T-series

slumpmaster
12-18-2009, 23:55
I like the 180's, mainly because the 155's have beaten the hell out of my pistols, and the 180's tend to not.

For defense, I don't think you can go wrong with any of the major maker's 155, 165, or 180 grain hollow point loads when it comes to terminal performance.

SMSTRICK
12-19-2009, 01:15
165 gr Speer Gold Dot, Glock 22

MarioS
12-19-2009, 02:03
155gr. Federal HST's or 165gr. Winchester Ranger-T's.

fastbolt
12-19-2009, 12:49
Since the time I started carrying an issued .40 I was given, at different times, Winchester Ranger & Remington Express 'standard' 180gr JHP loads, Winchester RA40TA (165gr) & RA40T (180gr) and Remington 180gr Golden Sabre (non-bonded). I also ended up with some Speer 180gr Gold Dot and some Federal HST 180gr from instructors at other agencies, neither of which I've yet bothered to open and use (dunno why, really).

Recently I've been using either the newest version of the RA40T T-series or the non-bonded Golden Sabre, depending on what box was closest at hand when loading different mags for different guns.

Not something I worry about overly much.

Fire_Medic
12-19-2009, 16:08
Winchester Ranger 180gr Ranger T's are my favorite. (RA40T)

3rdgen40
12-21-2009, 06:39
These.....187138.:cool:

gdvan01
12-21-2009, 07:43
Fed 165 HST's at the moment

oldsoldier
12-21-2009, 07:53
I have Winchester Ranger 180g RA40T in my G27. Works flawlessly and shoots to POA at 15 - 25 yards. Never bothered to test it at other ranges. I pefer the heavier bullets. I like the HST loads too but haven't found any lately.

LEAD
12-21-2009, 07:57
165gr Is a better performer than 180gr...
I like:
Winchester Ranger T's
Federal HSTs
Corbon JHPs
Speer Gold Dots

Or
Corbon DPXs in 140gr.

oldsoldier
12-21-2009, 08:09
Just out of curiosity I checked Tactical Defense Solutions. http://www.tds-us.com/catalog.php/tds/pg10243 They have 180g RA40T and 180g P40HST1 in stock and available for sale. I just ordered some HST at $23.50 per 50 rd box. That is a pretty good price!

vikingsoftpaw
12-21-2009, 22:46
My preference is the heavy and slow also Hornady 180 XTP or 200 grain XTP. I have a 3 gen Smith that is .40 cal. The rifling was optimized for heavier slugs. I don't know what is in common use today.

1smoothredneck
12-23-2009, 14:01
I'll have to break from the crowd and post my fav carry load.
I prefer a 135 grain jhp from Cor-bon, Pro Load, or Triton. 357 magnum
performance, light kick, and ime, little flash. Other than those, I like the 155-165 grain range.
Be safe.

nolaOE800
12-23-2009, 16:37
165gr Speer Gold Dot.

according to every ballistics chart I've ever looked at, Gold Dot hits with more foot pounds per sq. inch and has a higher probability of a one-shot drop. the 165gr. Gold Dot in particular out-performed all other .40S&W rounds, even the heavier ones.

MarkCO
12-24-2009, 13:57
165gr Speer Gold Dot.

according to every ballistics chart I've ever looked at, Gold Dot hits with more foot pounds per sq. inch and has a higher probability of a one-shot drop. the 165gr. Gold Dot in particular out-performed all other .40S&W rounds, even the heavier ones.

While you are probably correct, ALL handguns are a compromise between a knife and a long gun. 165 or 180 .40 S&W are one of the better compromises in a defensive handgun. The difference between 165 and 180 is pretty small.

135's, a LOT more muzzle flash and secondary recoil impulse that frankly, is not worth it in G23 or G22. In a G27, it does help a tad with on-target performance. For a G27 load test, you can read this...

http://dfuse.us/g27loadtest.html

vinnier6
12-24-2009, 21:21
165gr Is a better performer than 180gr...
I like:
Winchester Ranger T's
Federal HSTs
Corbon JHPs
Speer Gold Dots

Or
Corbon DPXs in 140gr.

not if your getting shot by it its not...a heavier bullet will do more damage to flesh...

olblutrk66
12-25-2009, 09:10
180 gr jhp

LEAD
12-26-2009, 14:45
not if your getting shot by it its not...a heavier bullet will do more damage to flesh...

Look at actual shootings, 165 has been a better performer in real life, also most loadings in 165gr have better energy values. This is because the additional 15gr are not worth the loss in velocity.

Your take?.....

Motown Fire
12-26-2009, 22:26
Federal HST 180's http://le.atk.com/general/federalproducts/pistol/tacticalhst.aspx

Poohgyrr
12-29-2009, 22:00
180's here

commander
01-05-2010, 13:53
Federal HST 180's http://le.atk.com/general/federalproducts/pistol/tacticalhst.aspxMe too.

fastbolt
01-05-2010, 15:09
Recently I was shooting another couple of hundred rounds through my M&P 40c.

I was using a mix of the least & most expensive 180gr loads from a couple of the major American ammunition companies. When Ii say a mix, I mean that literally, too. I mixed a few hundred rounds of the 4 loads in a container and loaded the mags using whatever I pulled from the container by the handful.

Oddly enough, they all shot acceptably well & accurately from my gun. All have been used by various LE customers in recent years. I can think of shootings where 3 of those 4 loads were used by cops in local agencies. They all seemed to 'work'.

Rather than worry overly much about the specific ammunition being used, I tend to place more emphasis on my skills, safe gun-handling, knowledge and overall abilities.

While I naturally prefer using good quality factory ammunition, using a modern design hollowpoint, and preferably from one of the major makers who have experience making ammunition for LE/Gov users, I try not to let the ammunition issue distract me from the other important aspects of being able to effectively use a gun. ;)

Muzzle energy and bullet weight are reasonable things to consider in the overall scope of selecting defensive ammunition, but they aren't exactly at the 'top' of list of priorities ...

Just my thoughts.

youngbuck
01-06-2010, 14:56
Rather than worry overly much about the specific ammunition being used, I tend to place more emphasis on my skills, safe gun-handling, knowledge and overall abilities.

While I naturally prefer using good quality factory ammunition, using a modern design hollowpoint, and preferably from one of the major makers who have experience making ammunition for LE/Gov users, I try not to let the ammunition issue distract me from the other important aspects of being able to effectively use a gun. ;)

Muzzle energy and bullet weight are reasonable things to consider in the overall scope of selecting defensive ammunition, but they aren't exactly at the 'top' of list of priorities ...




I have to agree with this guy ^^^ Ballistics are important to a point but they dont do anything if you cant shoot right.

That being said in my area I stick with:
Corbon DPX 140gr
Speer GD 180gr
Winchester Ranger T- 155gr

I would like to find some Speer 165gr version but all I get around here are the 180's

LEAD
01-06-2010, 15:04
I have to agree with this guy ^^^ Ballistics are important to a point but they dont do anything if you cant shoot right.

That being said in my area I stick with:
Corbon DPX 140gr
Speer GD 180gr
Winchester Ranger T- 155gr

I would like to find some Speer 165gr version but all I get around here are the 180's

Good calls

alba666
01-06-2010, 17:15
Just out of curiosity I checked Tactical Defense Solutions. http://www.tds-us.com/catalog.php/tds/pg10243 They have 180g RA40T and 180g P40HST1 in stock and available for sale. I just ordered some HST at $23.50 per 50 rd box. That is a pretty good price!

Got 2 boxes of the P40HST1 at the same price a couple of weeks ago from TDS. Kept one for my G23 and gave one to a close lady friend who has a G22. :supergrin: She is a single mom with a teenage daughter so I try to buy odd stuff for her when I can.

mteagle1
01-07-2010, 12:29
I don't have a 40S&W carry gun (yet) but I did buy 2 boxes of Ranger 155gr HP and 2 boxes of Federal 155gr HP to try out once the snow leaves. I figured at $18 a box I can use them for comparison against my handloads in a 24C. I did run the Winchester 165BEBB and Fiocchi 125 frangible over a chrono but that is not what this post is about.

DHart
02-16-2010, 01:59
I generally prefer "heavy-for-caliber" bullet weights. 230gr in .45 acp and, of course, 180 gr. in .40. These calibers were originally designed for these bullet weights. Penetration is vitally important and this is generally most easily achieved with heavy-bullet-weight-for-caliber.

In .40, the 180 gr. HST/Ranger/Gold Dot/Golden Saber give excellent terminal ballistics and are also a lot less "snappy" to shoot... the 180 gr. loads reduce the perceived "snappy" effect that this caliber is most commonly criticized for. This bullet weight may also be a little easier to shoot well and a little lighter in wear-and-tear on the gun. There are a lot of advantages to the 180 gr. loadings in .40 caliber.

Opie 1 Kenopie
02-17-2010, 23:44
I've never met a Bad Guy who cares too much what he's shot with.

DRT
02-22-2010, 19:16
Heavy HSTs or Ranger Ts for me. I don't like gold dots (particularly 165gr version) or any other bullet that has poor expansion characteristics through heavy clothing.

40 Cal Joe
02-23-2010, 10:28
CorBon 135 and 155's.

dpadams6
02-24-2010, 08:12
165 grain golden saber non-bonded...every article i've read put this load as having the best one-shot stops out of all 40 s&w...

CanyonMan
02-25-2010, 13:18
In the G23 when Ido carry it:

180gr XTP's
180gr GD Bonded
180gr PDX 1



CanyonMan

Humbucker
05-31-2010, 17:54
Federal 135gr HST

BurkGlocker
05-31-2010, 18:21
In my G27...

1) 165gr Ranger T-series
2) 180gr HST or Ranger T-series
3) Winchester PDX1 in either weight

The 165 Rangers have more energy than the 180's do (as per Winchester's LE website) and expand to about the same diameter and penetrate to about the same depth (in my personal testing)... 165 grain PDX1's have the same energy as the 165 grain Ranger T-Series...
http://www.winchester.com/Products/le/handgun-ammunition/ranger/t-series/Pages/default.aspx

But I would trust any of them... if I did my part to place them in the right spot...


Burk

FLSlim
06-02-2010, 18:32
G23, Ranger T in 165 gr. Of course, shot placement counts most.

FLAHOTROD
06-05-2010, 13:53
In my G27...

1) 165gr Ranger T-series
2) 180gr HST or Ranger T-series
3) Winchester PDX1 in either weight

The 165 Rangers have more energy than the 180's do (as per Winchester's LE website) and expand to about the same diameter and penetrate to about the same depth (in my personal testing)... 165 grain PDX1's have the same energy as the 165 grain Ranger T-Series...
http://www.winchester.com/Products/le/handgun-ammunition/ranger/t-series/Pages/default.aspx

But I would trust any of them... if I did my part to place them in the right spot...


Burk

I also carry a G27 for my CCW, and do worry about muzzle energy from the short barrel. If it's not fast enough to expand, why bother carrying hollow points? That's why I chose 165 gr Cor-Bon rounds.

DHart
06-05-2010, 15:32
Deep penetration is JOB ONE. If you can get good expansion on top of that, GREAT.

Energy and velocity numbers, (even bullet weight to a limited degree) are relatively unimportant in choosing a defense load. What matters is that the bullet/cartridge design is such that you can attain deep penetration and then, in addition to that, full expansion as well. This is why today's best 9mm, .40, and .45acp defense loads all perform so similarly. They are each designed to penetrate to similar depths and to expand fully, even though their caliber dimensions and bullet weights differ.

Comparing two cartridges by their energy or velocity doesn't tell you which will penetrate ideally and expand fully. Some bullets will give reliable penetration and good expansion at lower velocities, due to the design of the bullet itself.

Some folks think that higher velocities or greater energy are always better and this could not be farther from the truth.

One cartridge with less energy and/or lower velocity may give better penetration and expansion characteristics than another, due to the combined bullet design and loading.

The best approach to choosing defense ammo is to ignore energy and velocity numbers and instead look to the penetration and expansion characteristics of the bullet/load.

KERK
06-08-2010, 10:05
Our carry round is Speer Gold Dot 165 gr.

SlammedDime
06-09-2010, 17:14
Handloaded 165gr Speer GD's

JimBobTX
06-13-2010, 18:43
Winchester 180 grain bonded HPs work great for me.

slims00ls1z28
06-22-2010, 23:21
Anybody used DT Nosler 135's? I have a G29 but I just orderd a .40 barell for it and bought some DT 135's for 10mm and .40 as well as a 250 box of Nosler 180's to reload some of both. My wife is probably going to pick up a G27 pretty soon to carry so I'm going to be checking into it. She can handle my G29 alright but would prefer something with a little less bite as a carry piece I just want to make sure it's got plenty of bite on the other end.

FLSlim
06-23-2010, 07:37
Sadly, whatever I can find!! Ammo seems to becoming a little more available, but usually the choices are limited. Right now, that is 165 Rangers.

Thunderbolt56
06-24-2010, 06:53
... Speer Gold Dot 165 gr.



+1

I used 155 GD's for awhile, but it was really only because that was the best option my local shop had in stock at the time. I picked up some 165's a few weeks ago at our local gun show and simply use those now instead.

I have two good friends that are LEO's and they both use GD 165's in their service arms. One is a captain in local SWAT and a firearms instructor and he really, REALLY likes the GD in whatever flavor.