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whatsupglock
12-03-2009, 09:47
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I'm looking hard at Montana Gold 115 fmj, 124 fmj, 124 jhp, and 147 jhp. I'm also considering Zero bullets, but I'm leaning more towards Montana Gold. Powders...I'm open to here what people are using and the results they're getting.

Any load data regarding these bullets would be greatly appreciated. Especially if you are or have shot the loads through a g34 and chronographed. Specifics are welcomed and encouraged. Thanks in advance.

Any g34 load data would be welcome.

shotgunred
12-03-2009, 11:05
The best place for comp load data is Brian Enos site.

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showforum=72

I am sure several of our 9mm guys will be on sometime today.:cool: and can give you their pet loads.

cysoto
12-03-2009, 14:43
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These days finding Small Pistol Primers is just as hard (if not harder) than finding 9mm ammo. :faint:

The BE Forum has tons of load info for what you are trying to accomplish.
Make sure to spend some time searching through the older posts.

Colorado4Wheel
12-03-2009, 14:44
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<!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: ad_showthread_firstpost_start --><!-- END TEMPLATE: ad_showthread_firstpost_start -->I purchased a Glock 34 for IDPA/Steel Challenge/IPSC/USPSA. 9mm ammo is sparse to say the least where I live, so I am in the beginning stages of reloading. I will be loading on a Dillon 550. Probably try to load between 125,000 to 130,000 power factor.

I'm looking hard at Montana Gold 115 fmj, 124 fmj, 124 jhp, and 147 jhp. I'm also considering Zero bullets, but I'm leaning more towards Montana Gold. Powders...I'm open to here what people are using and the results they're getting.

Any load data regarding these bullets would be greatly appreciated. Especially if you are or have shot the loads through a g34 and chronographed. Specifics are welcomed and encouraged. Thanks in advance.

Any g34 load data would be welcome.


You want a 124 gr bullet or a 147 gr. You want to use Titegroup or Solo1000 if you want to find easy choices for starting loads. You want to load to a little more then 130PF. Mine is

124gr Montana Gold or 125 gr Zero 38Super bullets (both are RN).
4.2 grs of Solo 1000.
1.130 OAL
Gets me over 130PF.

Titegroup is probably your best choice from the volume of people using it. I prefer Solo 1000. My buddie loads nearly the same as me except uses TiteGroup.

Boxerglocker
12-03-2009, 15:53
You want a 124 gr bullet or a 147 gr. You want to use Titegroup or Solo1000 if you want to find easy choices for starting loads. You want to load to a little more then 130PF. Mine is

124gr Montana Gold or 125 gr Zero 38Super bullets (both are RN).
4.2 grs of Solo 1000.
1.130 OAL
Gets me over 130PF.

Titegroup is probably your best choice from the volume of people using it. I prefer Solo 1000. My buddie loads nearly the same as me except uses TiteGroup.


124g PD FMJ backed with 4.0g TG at 1.130 got me 1050 fps with a standard deviation of 6 at WA State IDPA Championship this year out of my G34 with stock barrel. That's right at 130PF :supergrin:

I'm currently loading 147g LFP with 3.4g Solo1000 at the same OAL, runs at 890-910 fps (128-132 Pf) but out of my LWD barrel.

ede
12-03-2009, 15:58
147 MG and 3.4 titegroup

Colorado4Wheel
12-03-2009, 16:52
124g PD FMJ backed with 4.0g TG at 1.130 got me 1050 fps with a standard deviation of 6 at WA State IDPA Championship this year out of my G34 with stock barrel. That's right at 130PF :supergrin:

I'm currently loading 147g LFP with 3.4g Solo1000 at the same OAL, runs at 890-910 fps (128-132 Pf) but out of my LWD barrel.

I too ran 3.4 gr with 147 gr bullets and Solo, same OAL. Same PF. Your TG data is similiar to my old TG data as well. Solo works best with 124 gr and above bullets in 9mm. TG is the old Hotness and Solo is working on being the new Hotness. Titegroup is more versital with light bullets in 9mm.

slowhand23
12-03-2009, 17:03
I too ran 3.4 gr with 147 gr bullets and Solo, same OAL. Same PF. Your TG data is similiar to my old TG data as well. Solo works best with 124 gr and above bullets in 9mm. TG is the old Hotness and Solo is working on being the new Hotness. Titegroup is more versital with light bullets in 9mm.

I like HP38 & Titegroup as well, never tried Solo 1000. How does Solo compare to TG?

Boxerglocker
12-03-2009, 18:10
I like HP38 & Titegroup as well, never tried Solo 1000. How does Solo compare to TG?

I went with Solo, specifically for lead 147g FP.... Solo doesn't burn as hot as TG and alot less smoke (with lead) than TG. I still prefer FMJ as opposed to lead bullets but cost per a round in order to shoot 147g 9mm subsonics necessitates my need to go with the lead, thus Solo. I paid for the cost of my used LWB barrel for the G34 in less than 3K rounds.

Boxerglocker
12-03-2009, 18:13
I too ran 3.4 gr with 147 gr bullets and Solo, same OAL. Same PF. Your TG data is similiar to my old TG data as well. Solo works best with 124 gr and above bullets in 9mm. TG is the old Hotness and Solo is working on being the new Hotness. Titegroup is more versital with light bullets in 9mm.

Well C4W... I give credit where credit is due... my pet loads where developed based on input from numerous individuals you included. Then I confirmed and verified myself. :embarassed:

Hydraulicman
12-03-2009, 18:13
For Factory + velocity get yourself some Power pistol

For when you want to shoot some REAL 9mm:supergrin:

ron59
12-03-2009, 19:02
I'm shooting the 147gr Montana Bullet over 3.4gr of Solo 1000. Sweet and soft shooting stuff. Out of a G17 though, not a 34.

jing1117
12-03-2009, 21:53
tagged.

njl
12-03-2009, 22:12
124gr PD FMJ or MG CMJ, 4.3-4.4gr Universal Clays, 1.145-1.155 OAL, from my G34 does right around 1070fps or a 133 PF. Shooting these out of the G17, I only lose about an 10-15fps on the avg.

Any lighter with this load, and I'd be worried about cycling stock Glocks. I've shot around 1000 of them so far without any malfunctions.

Colorado4Wheel
12-04-2009, 07:28
124gr PD FMJ or MG CMJ, 4.3-4.4gr Universal Clays, 1.145-1.155 OAL, from my G34 does right around 1070fps or a 133 PF. Shooting these out of the G17, I only lose about an 10-15fps on the avg.

Any lighter with this load, and I'd be worried about cycling stock Glocks. I've shot around 1000 of them so far without any malfunctions.

I still have to run a light recoil spring just to get 100% weak handed reliability with the same 130PF

Colorado4Wheel
12-04-2009, 07:36
I like HP38 & Titegroup as well, never tried Solo 1000. How does Solo compare to TG?

For me and what I want it to do I prefer Solo.

1) Fills the case better. A lot better.
2) Smokes less even with jacketed bullets. Not a huge thing but its does smoke less.
3) Has excellent results on the chrono in regards to standard deviation.
4) Very nice feel. Not that titegroup is bad just that Solo is as good if not better.

Downsides.

Load data is a little weak. A lot of people have to go over book (which is over a decade old) just to get PF. Load data is also all loaded on the very short side so it's really hard to know what actual pressure is when you load in the 1.130 range. It will not push light bullets fast. There is no 147gr load data that I have seen (other then internet, user provided stuff).

My take on Solo is that it's a gamers powder. Perfect for those that like to work up loads on a chrono with typical gaming heavier bullets. It's also perfect for those that like a real bulky powder and don't care what PF they make but just want a soft shooting round. TG has better load data by far. And you can run it faster. My rounds show no pressure signs and shoot very nicely. I use Power Pistol for real 9mm loads.

njl
12-04-2009, 08:08
I still have to run a light recoil spring just to get 100% weak handed reliability with the same 130PF

Well...my G34 and G17 aren't exactly new and each has thousands of rounds through it...so maybe their springs have lightened over the years.

Colorado4Wheel
12-04-2009, 09:02
Well...my G34 and G17 aren't exactly new and each has thousands of rounds through it...so maybe their springs have lightened over the years.

Where does Universal Clays stand on a burn rate chart compared to Solo 1000 and Hodgon Clays. Universal Clays is not on my chart. Unless it's the same as Universal.

D. Manley
12-04-2009, 14:14
For me and what I want it to do I prefer Solo.

1) Fills the case better. A lot better.
2) Smokes less even with jacketed bullets. Not a huge thing but its does smoke less.
3) Has excellent results on the chrono in regards to standard deviation.
4) Very nice feel. Not that titegroup is bad just that Solo is as good if not better.

Downsides.

Load data is a little weak. A lot of people have to go over book (which is over a decade old) just to get PF. Load data is also all loaded on the very short side so it's really hard to know what actual pressure is when you load in the 1.130 range. It will not push light bullets fast. There is no 147gr load data that I have seen (other then internet, user provided stuff).

My take on Solo is that it's a gamers powder. Perfect for those that like to work up loads on a chrono with typical gaming heavier bullets. It's also perfect for those that like a real bulky powder and don't care what PF they make but just want a soft shooting round. TG has better load data by far. And you can run it faster. My rounds show no pressure signs and shoot very nicely. I use Power Pistol for real 9mm loads.

C4W's got it about right. S-1000 is terrific as a gamer powder or, for just soft-shooting fun with good accuracy particularly, with heavier 9MM bullet weights. TG is also very good and is more versatile for different bullet weights.

For dead-nutz accuracy in 9MM I'd go to WSF, Silhouette, VV N-330 or (bad as I hate the "flash/bang"), Power Pistol. FWIW, I've downloaded WSF, Silhouette and N-330 for 147 grain bullets very successfully. 3.7 to 3.8 grains of WSF or N-330 is a great load with 147 grain JHP or FMJ bullets.

fredj338
12-04-2009, 15:57
Where does Universal Clays stand on a burn rate chart compared to Solo 1000 and Hodgon Clays. Universal Clays is not on my chart. Unless it's the same as Universal.
Universal is about like Unique, but burn rate does vary w/ bore & cartridge. I get to max in 44mag sooner w/ Universal than Unique or WSF. In 9mm they seem pretty close. Clays, a whole nother ball game. Way to freaky w/ higher pressures. I won't use it in anything but low end 45acp target loads, & I have WST for that, so I won't buy anymore after this 1# test can is gone.:dunno:

njl
12-04-2009, 23:44
Where does Universal Clays stand on a burn rate chart compared to Solo 1000 and Hodgon Clays. Universal Clays is not on my chart. Unless it's the same as Universal.

Clays is faster than Solo1000. Both are faster than Universal (Universal is the short name everyone seems to use for Universal Clays).

http://hodgdon.com/burn-rate.html

Colorado4Wheel
12-05-2009, 16:10
That explains why his Universal Clays works the slide a little better then my Solo loads.

Ionic
12-06-2009, 22:59
tagged

BABOB
12-13-2009, 19:09
Here's what I have used for the past two years shooting IDPA / USPSA / GSSF. I use the same load for my G34 / G17 / & G19.

124 gr. Berry's
Mixed Brass
WSP or CCI 500's
4.5 gr. Alliant American Select.
1.14" COAL.

Everytime I tell someone that I use Alliant American Select, they say "what?"
I like AAS because it fills the case so there's no chance of a double charge and it's a very clean burning powder. Meters great out of my 550B too.

I plan to try some 147 gr. bullet loads this year, I've just had to stick with 124's due to reloading for two people and to keep costs down.

cole
12-14-2009, 00:26
I run 3.6gr Solo 1000 for a 147gr LTC. I like it. Runs far cooler than TG.

Runs fine w/ both a LWD and KKM in my Glock 19 and Glock 26, both having far shorter barrels than the Glock 34. Never ran a chrono on it though.

I ran 3.4gr some, too, but the 3.6gr seems to "feel" better, seems to give tighter groups and less smoke. Maybe it's all my imagination though as most seem to favor 3.4gr.

ron59
12-14-2009, 05:51
I ran 3.4gr some, too, but the 3.6gr seems to "feel" better, seems to give tighter groups and less smoke. Maybe it's all my imagination though as most seem to favor 3.4gr.

Not your imagination at all... see my thread where I compared Solo and TG.

I was running 3.4gr just because that was what I was seeing everybody else use. FELT great, but when I started trying to shoot some groups from a rest.... ugh. It is yielding less that 125PF, and not very accurate. The 3.6gr started grouping *slightly* better, but velocity still a little low for my liking.

I'm next gonna try cramming 3.7 - 3.8gr of S-1000 in, to see if I can at least get to 885fps (130pf).

At least in my G17... gotta be running 130PF or better to get decent groups.

whatsupglock
12-18-2009, 08:33
Solo 1000 and TG seem to be the way to go. TG data is all over the place, but does anyone have a resource for case pressures with 9mm loads and Solo 1000?

ron59
12-18-2009, 12:22
Solo 1000 and TG seem to be the way to go. TG data is all over the place, but does anyone have a resource for case pressures with 9mm loads and Solo 1000?

There's almost no LOAD data for S-1000, I'd be surprised if there's any "pressure" data.

The manufacturer says 3.0gr is the MAX for a 147gr bullet... that won't even cycle my slide. :rofl:

I loaded some with 3.6gr and only got 864fps out of them. Next up is 3.7gr and 3.8gr.

Colorado4Wheel
12-18-2009, 14:01
Solo 1000 and TG seem to be the way to go. TG data is all over the place, but does anyone have a resource for case pressures with 9mm loads and Solo 1000?

There is a old manual floating around on the internet. I have a copy but you can find it on Brian Enos easily enough. Even then it will not have 147 gr 9mm data. So it's pretty thin, it's old, and it's not even accuarte in many people opinion. I would just use TG unless you have a chrono or like taking the path less followed.

D. Manley
12-18-2009, 14:34
There is a old manual floating around on the internet. I have a copy but you can find it on Brian Enos easily enough. Even then it will not have 147 gr 9mm data. So it's pretty thin, it's old, and it's not even accuarte in many people opinion. I would just use TG unless you have a chrono or like taking the path less followed.

I have attached data from the original Scott powders as well as some of the new data sent me from Accurate powders. I feel like the 9MM data is very conservative but it is what it is...user assumes all risks.

Colorado4Wheel
12-18-2009, 15:38
3.0 Grs, 147gr bullet, 825-875 FPS.
Seems about right just really low ceiling.

3.5 Grs with a 124 gr bullet is crazy low. I need 4.2grs to get 1040fps with a 125gr bullet. Notice the new data doesn't even list a OAL. Your really on your own if you use Solo1000. I have burned up about 6 lbs so far. I'm not worried about it.

MinervaDoe
12-18-2009, 17:16
:popcorn:

whatsupglock
02-05-2010, 09:33
The replies were great. Got my RL 550B. Decided on MG 124 gr jhp with 4.0 gr of Titegroup. Now I'm trying to decide what OAL is best. I'm going to load up 1.125 to 1.140 and see what chronos best and which loads seem to shoot and feed the best.

cysoto
02-05-2010, 10:00
The replies were great. Got my RL 550B. Decided on MG 124 gr jhp with 4.0 gr of Titegroup. Now I'm trying to decide what OAL is best. I'm going to load up 1.125 to 1.140 and see what chronos best and which loads seem to shoot and feed the best.
I may be wrong (Lord knows it wouldn't be the first time) but I was under the impression that OAL variation has more to do with proper ammo feeding in a particular pistol and reducing case pressure than with bullet speed variation.

I haven't done much experimenting with OAL but, my very limited data shows little (if any) variation on both accuracy and bullet speed.

FWIW I have settled in an OAL of 1.120" for 124/125gr bullets.

Boxerglocker
02-05-2010, 10:18
I may be wrong (Lord knows it wouldn't be the first time) but I was under the impression that OAL variation has more to do with proper ammo feeding in a particular pistol and reducing case pressure than with bullet speed variation.

I haven't done much experimenting with OAL but, my very limited data shows little (if any) variation on both accuracy and bullet speed.

FWIW I have settled in an OAL of 1.120" for 124/125gr bullets.

OAL will most definately affect all those factors and bullets speed will increase with increased pressures. Provided you within CUP limitations of the brass that you use, you would be OK. But in an extreme pressure round like the .40 S&W bullet OAL is crucial, and set back and get you in a whole lot of hurt real quick. My preference for OAL is 1.130 for most all bullet profiles in 9mm and lengthen accordingly for FP or HP to keep the same case volume for a given powder.

Colorado4Wheel
02-05-2010, 10:31
For 9mm you have a huge range of OAL's to use. All the way from around 1.100 to 1.169. For .40 and 10mm you have a very narrow range of OAL's you use. For 10mm the range is .010 IIRC for most loads.

whatsupglock
02-08-2010, 07:16
So...I decided on 1.135 OAL. The low end of 4.0 grains of Titegroup. 0.3760 crimp. 124 gr Montana Gold JHP. CCI primers.

Shoots soft and sweet, sweet, sweet! Put 200 rounds through with zero failures. Shot 6 rounds at an 8 inch paper plate at 25 yards with two hand grip with no support and had six hits in the 8 inch plate. I think that load will work just fine!

The load also works with both a 13 lbs ISMI spring and Glock Factory recoil spring. I do have to note that with the factory spring the shell casings were bouncing off the front of my body. Shot strong hand and weak hand only as well with no failures.

Thanks again for all your help.

dsmw5142
02-09-2010, 19:51
I did a bunch of chrono work this past weekend with 147gr Black Bullets International (Poly-m coated) and Solo 1000 through my two G34's. I was very happy with 147gr BBI seated to 1.135" with 3.5gr Solo. Made 134PF but, to me, the feel was almost identical to the 126ish PF load of 3.2gr Solo. However, the 3.5gr load put 8 of 10 shots touching in the bullseye at 25 yds. benched.

I was shooting 124gr rainier or berrys with 3.8gr Titegroup and liked it alot. I got pretty used to the little bit of a snap and faster cycling slide with the lighter bullets.

I bought a thousand 130gr BBI's to try out with the Solo. Can't wait to see what they do this weekend. I love playing around with different combinations :)

I wanted something CHEAP for practice that was accurate enough for matches and I think I finally found it.

ETA: The 147gr BBI grouped pretty well with 3.1-3.2gr of Titegroup also, but it smoked like freight train compared to the Solo.

On a side note.... I ran a bunch of .40 major practice loads with Unique. I was kind of surprised how hot and clean the jug of the new Unique is. It only took 5.0gr to get me 173PF in my G35 seated to 1.130" (LRNFP Missouri bullets).

kp110477
02-13-2010, 00:33
I'm just getting started in competitive shooting, and I've definitely decided to go with a Glock platform (currently shooting a S&W Sigma 9mm). However, I'm curious if you can shoot majors out of a 9mm in USPSA. What augmentations do I have to make to a stock pistol to shoot 9 major? Are there any factory ammo that you can shoot 9 major with? If not, what are the specs on reloading to 9 major? Is there a risk of over-pressuring the Glock when shooting 9 major? Would you recommend just going with a .40?

NEWBIE

cysoto
02-13-2010, 15:45
I'm just getting started in competitive shooting, and I've definitely decided to go with a Glock platform (currently shooting a S&W Sigma 9mm). However, I'm curious if you can shoot majors out of a 9mm in USPSA. What augmentations do I have to make to a stock pistol to shoot 9 major? Are there any factory ammo that you can shoot 9 major with? If not, what are the specs on reloading to 9 major? Is there a risk of over-pressuring the Glock when shooting 9 major? Would you recommend just going with a .40?

NEWBIE
I assume you are referring to USPSA. If this is the case, you should be aware that 9 major is only allowed in Open. If you are planning on shooting anything else (Production, Limited, L-10) you will need to shoot a .40 cal or higher (at the appropriate velocity) in order to comply with requirements for major.

Appendix D explains the requirements for the different divisions: http://www.uspsa.org/rules/2008HandgunRulesindexed.pdf

kp110477
02-13-2010, 16:51
cysoto,

Yes, definitely talking about USPSA and also referring to open division, I guess I should have been more specific, but thank you for reading between my uneducated lines.

In your opinion would you recommend shooting 9 major in open division, or would you stick with the .40? Also, are there off the shelf rounds that will reach the 9 major power factor, or do you have to reload. While I'm planning on getting into reloading, I'm more interested in putting my money towards the gun first.

Thank you again,

kp

cysoto
02-13-2010, 17:28
I don't know for sure but I would imagine that some of the 9mm +P+ rounds may get you to major PF. Even if this was the case this would be a very expensive option and it may a better idea to reload your own ammo instead.

There are a few local shooter around here that shoot 9 mayor in their open blasters; in fact one of them is doing so out of a tricked out G17. They all use relatively light bullets (124/125gr) and slower burning powders (they produce more gas and work the comp better than a fast-burning powder).

As far as a 9 major load, I don't have one but I have heard of some people using Winchester AutoComp. I have copied their recommended load data for 9mm from the Hodgdon webpage at the bottom of this post but their posted velocities are quite a ways from major which means that they are probably going way above published data to reach their goal.

I don't shoot open but, if I did, I would probably choose 38 Super as my caliber of choice. Shooting a 124gr at the 1,350 to 1,400 fps that you would need to make major is IMO pushing the case beyond its intended purpose. Not that it cannot be done; I have seen many shooters doing just this, but you have to be diligent on looking for signs of weakened brass and overpressure.

The trade-off when shooting a .40S&W is that you are giving away 2 or 3 rounds in your 170mm big stick. The benefit is that you can make major much easily.

Cartridge: 9mm Luger
Load Type: Pistol
Starting Loads

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Maximum Loads

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Bullet Weight (Gr.) Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure

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90 GR. SPR GDHP Winchester AutoComp .355" 1.010" 6.5 1255 27,700 PSI 6.1 1332 32,100 PSI
95 GR. SIE FMJ Winchester AutoComp .355" 1.010" 5.6 1216 27,300 PSI 6.1 1306 32,600 PSI
115 GR. LRN Winchester AutoComp .356" 1.100" 4.4 1002 24,800 PSI 5.1 1145 31,500 PSI
115 GR. SPR GDHP Winchester AutoComp .355" 1.125" 5.1 1078 28,200 PSI 5.6 1161 32,500 PSI
125 GR. LCN Winchester AutoComp .356" 1.125" 4.3 1012 26,700 PSI 4.8 1101 32,800 PSI
125 GR. SIE FMJ Winchester AutoComp .355" 1.090" 4.7 1055 28,900 PSI 5.2 1120 33,300 PSI
130 GR. SIE FMJ Winchester AutoComp .355" 1.120" 4.4 933 24,900 PSI 5.0 1055 31,800 PSI
147 GR. HDY XTP Winchester AutoComp .355" 1.100" 3.6 827 27,900 PSI 4.0 916 32,800 PSI


NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS

kp110477
02-13-2010, 17:48
Thank you for your response. It is greatly appreciated!

Roadkill_751
02-13-2010, 18:18
Does anyone have any current data for HP38 using 124gr and 147gr MG bullets.

Thanks

Colorado4Wheel
02-13-2010, 19:28
I'm just getting started in competitive shooting, and I've definitely decided to go with a Glock platform (currently shooting a S&W Sigma 9mm). However, I'm curious if you can shoot majors out of a 9mm in USPSA. What augmentations do I have to make to a stock pistol to shoot 9 major? Are there any factory ammo that you can shoot 9 major with? If not, what are the specs on reloading to 9 major? Is there a risk of over-pressuring the Glock when shooting 9 major? Would you recommend just going with a .40?

NEWBIE

Get a different plan. Major9 is tough to do. Your going to have to mod your glock big time to make it work. You will still be at a disadvantage to everyone you compete against. Your obviously new to the sport. Start off in production with your Glock. Get a G17 if you really think you will want Open later. But I doubt you will once you get some experiance. .38 Super Comp is the only way to go in Open. You will want to reload any open gun to figure out just the right load to work the comp right.

dsmw5142
02-13-2010, 19:37
I'm just getting started in competitive shooting, and I've definitely decided to go with a Glock platform (currently shooting a S&W Sigma 9mm). However, I'm curious if you can shoot majors out of a 9mm in USPSA. What augmentations do I have to make to a stock pistol to shoot 9 major? Are there any factory ammo that you can shoot 9 major with? If not, what are the specs on reloading to 9 major? Is there a risk of over-pressuring the Glock when shooting 9 major? Would you recommend just going with a .40?

NEWBIE

Buy a G35 and load it light for production and, if you decide later, it makes a pretty decent limited gun with some Arredondo's. The .40 is rediculous soft shooting when loaded to minor PF and it is not difficult to make major with it and be plenty competitive. After a while, you can dump a bunch of money on a custom S_I platform if you want to.

kp110477
02-13-2010, 19:48
Buy a G35 and load it light for production and, if you decide later, it makes a pretty decent limited gun with some Arredondo's. The .40 is rediculous soft shooting when loaded to minor PF and it is not difficult to make major with it and be plenty competitive. After a while, you can dump a bunch of money on a custom S_I platform if you want to.


I was kind of hoping someone would say .40. Is it really that much of an advantage (the longer sight plane) in the 35 or will the 22 do the trick? Also, I plan on going Limited pretty quickly after getting the gun with aftermarket parts... Is there a big diference in performance between generations? Will a Gen 2 G22 fill the void.... maybe I should discuss this in another thread.

njl
02-13-2010, 19:56
Gen2 vs Gen3 is IMO all about preference. I've owned both, and I greatly prefer the Gen3 finger grooves and thumb rests. Some people hate the finger grooves.

cysoto
02-13-2010, 22:15
I was kind of hoping someone would say .40. Is it really that much of an advantage (the longer sight plane) in the 35 or will the 22 do the trick? Also, I plan on going Limited pretty quickly after getting the gun with aftermarket parts... Is there a big diference in performance between generations? Will a Gen 2 G22 fill the void.... maybe I should discuss this in another thread.
I only play in Production and have tried several different Glocks: G17, G34 & G35. My personal preference is the G17; it has IMO a better overall balance and I don't think that the shorter sight radius is any sort of disadvantage. In fact, my splits and transitions are faster with the G17 than with the longer pistols.

Both the G22 and G35 are very versatile pistols for gun games and either one will serve you well.

Suburban
02-14-2010, 15:53
Winchester Ranger 127 +P+ will make major, and I think at least one of Federal's 9mm loads will to. I think Atlanta Arms and Ammo sells 9mm Major also, if you can find their website.

Most 9mm Major shooters are still loading to max length that will fit in the magazine with Hodgdon HS-6 powder. I haven't really messed with open class, but I worked up a load like that. Had to cut the throat longer in the KKM barrel for the longer loads with the bullets that I use.

If your minor loads are 124grain with 4 grains of TiteGroup, I'll think you'll find that the Glock factory recoil spring is too heavy to function reliably. The Glock recoil spring is more suited for the hot 9mm NATO rounds.

mteagle1
02-15-2010, 14:43
I did a bunch of chrono work this past weekend with 147gr Black Bullets International (Poly-m coated) and Solo 1000 through my two G34's. I was very happy with 147gr BBI seated to 1.135" with 3.5gr Solo. Made 134PF but, to me, the feel was almost identical to the 126ish PF load of 3.2gr Solo. However, the 3.5gr load put 8 of 10 shots touching in the bullseye at 25 yds. benched.

I was shooting 124gr rainier or berrys with 3.8gr Titegroup and liked it alot. I got pretty used to the little bit of a snap and faster cycling slide with the lighter bullets.

I bought a thousand 130gr BBI's to try out with the Solo. Can't wait to see what they do this weekend. I love playing around with different combinations :)

I wanted something CHEAP for practice that was accurate enough for matches and I think I finally found it.

ETA: The 147gr BBI grouped pretty well with 3.1-3.2gr of Titegroup also, but it smoked like freight train compared to the Solo.

On a side note.... I ran a bunch of .40 major practice loads with Unique. I was kind of surprised how hot and clean the jug of the new Unique is. It only took 5.0gr to get me 173PF in my G35 seated to 1.130" (LRNFP Missouri bullets).

I know it has only been a week since you said you were going to try the 130gr BBI but I have 2 cases and a snow covered range so I can't go out and test myself but I would love to start load them for March when maybe our snow will melt.

judgecrater
08-25-2012, 15:39
I may be wrong (Lord knows it wouldn't be the first time) but I was under the impression that OAL variation has more to do with proper ammo feeding in a particular pistol and reducing case pressure than with bullet speed variation.

I haven't done much experimenting with OAL but, my very limited data shows little (if any) variation on both accuracy and bullet speed.

FWIW I have settled in an OAL of 1.120" for 124/125gr bullets.
Certainly you want to use an OAL that feeds, but it influences pressure just as surely as powder charge and bullet weight. Every good manual specifies an OAL with each load. If you reduce OAL of a max load, you are over max!

njl
08-25-2012, 19:02
I may be wrong (Lord knows it wouldn't be the first time) but I was under the impression that OAL variation has more to do with proper ammo feeding in a particular pistol and reducing case pressure than with bullet speed variation.

I haven't done much experimenting with OAL but, my very limited data shows little (if any) variation on both accuracy and bullet speed.

FWIW I have settled in an OAL of 1.120" for 124/125gr bullets.

OAL may need to be adjusted for feeding and to allow the cartridge to chamber properly...and this will vary from bullet to bullet whether the bullet weights are equal or not.

In most cases, shorter OAL will lead to higher pressure which leads to higher velocity. It may not be a huge difference, but I've done load testing where the difference was clearly measurable.

shotgunred
08-25-2012, 20:27
This one is from 12-03-2009. I am surprised Eric keeps stuff this old.