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Aceman
12-04-2009, 15:27
What would it take to put a triangle folding stock on that puppy?

Just thinking this might be cool. And way cheaper/easier than getting an Arsenal 107U or such and changing the barrel.

WadeP
12-04-2009, 19:24
What would it take to put a triangle folding stock on that puppy? Just thinking this might be cool. And way cheaper/easier than getting an Arsenal 107U or such and changing the barrel.

Yes it would be cool, but not easier and cheaper. To SBR a 107UR, you don't have to change the barrel. Just pull the front sight/gas block and drill the gas port to 3mm. Cut and crown the barrel then replace the gas block. Get the appropriate flash hider. Done.

To SBR a draco, which I have no personal experience with, just speculation and Internet chatter, this is what I'd think you'd have to do:

Mounting a triangle folder on the draco would require a AK100 folding rear trunion and making the appropriate mods to the receiver. Lots of cutting for the trunion and the latch. There's a lot of cutting to retro-fit those type folders.

You could also fit a conventional rear trunion and use a wire folding stock. You'd have some holes to weld up from the factory trunion.

Or some of the draco's have undrilled underfolder trunions. Just drill three big holes through the receiver and trunion, which is easier said than done, and put an underfolder on it.

Big thread here:
http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=111498

space_weazel
12-05-2009, 01:18
They can be SBR'd obviously after the appropriate federal paper work.
For a stock I would just get and ACE style hinge and the stock of your choosing and screw it directly in to the back plate, that is the cheapest reliable route.

As stated, a triangle stock is an expensive and tool intensive process, and in the end it would probably be cheaper just to get the Arsenal.

scottMO
02-24-2010, 23:58
Draco- 350.00-400.00
stock and trunnion- 150.00-200.00
conversion by Troy at InRange- 200.00

total cost 700.00-800.00
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Before any work is done on a 106ur or 107ur, the prices would already be higher..
SLR-106UR's are currently 900.00 on GB..
SLR-107UR's are 1000.00 +

space_weazel
02-25-2010, 02:57
This a is borderline zombie thread

Aceman
02-25-2010, 08:18
I'll chime in and make it relevent again!

I have to say - with draco's being around these days...it get's more and more appealing.

I like the Ace Stock idea. Anyone done it?

The triangle thing really sounds expensive and like it would be marginal anyway with a high hassle factor.

I do love Arsenal!

photoguy
02-25-2010, 09:24
Draco- 350.00-400.00
stock and trunnion- 150.00-200.00
conversion by Troy at InRange- 200.00

total cost 700.00-800.00

I always look longingly at these Dracos and would love to get one. Another option is to add the stock and permanently attach a muzzle brake that brings the barrel length up to the legal limit of 16". So then it's not an SBR but a "compact AK". On the upside it requires no paperwork and more importantly no $200 tax stamp.

I've considered this many times but for a person wanting to tinker there's another option.
Saiga 7.62x39 rifle $300 to $330
side folding stock assembly and mounting block $150 (Ace push button)
Handguards etc to taste, let's budget $150 which is more than enough.

Now we're at $600ish and I strongly suspect the quality of the Saiga (Russian Izmash manufacture) exceeds that of the Draco. Although SBRs are allowed in my state I already know that the CLEO in my city won't sign the paperwork. I can get around that but I'm perfectly happy with a compact folding AK within the allowed barrel length. I'm currently working on a Saiga conversion equipped as mentioned above.

The Dracos are insanely popular and have a serious cool factor. Prices are all over the map but the cheapest seems to be in the $330-$350 range. With Saiga x39s selling at the same price it's hard for me to consider turning a Draco into a rifle. Now keeping it as a pistol, that's a whole different ballgame :cool:

jamesavery22
02-25-2010, 11:30
SBR'ing the Draco's seem pretty popular: http://warriortalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=101

toshbar
02-25-2010, 11:33
Another option is to add the stock and permanently attach a muzzle brake that brings the barrel length up to the legal limit of 16". So then it's not an SBR but a "compact AK". On the upside it requires no paperwork and more importantly no $200 tax stamp.
Or you could get a 16 barreled Saiga and throw a folding stock on it like I did. Shorter than your mentioned setup since I can fold my stock.

photoguy
02-25-2010, 14:55
Yup, that's exactly what I'm doing too, I just wasn't very clear about it.
Great minds think alike :)

edited to add:
Any pics? I need my daily fix.


...but for a person wanting to tinker there's another option.
Saiga 7.62x39 rifle $300 to $330
side folding stock assembly and mounting block $150 (Ace push button)
Handguards etc to taste, let's budget $150 which is more than enough.
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I can get around that but I'm perfectly happy with a compact folding AK within the allowed barrel length. I'm currently working on a Saiga conversion equipped as mentioned above.

toshbar
02-25-2010, 16:19
ahh. I didn't read far enough.

blablabla
07-29-2010, 10:01
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scottMO
08-01-2010, 22:26
more draco pics (not mine though) :crying:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff157/scocor83/draco2-1.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff157/scocor83/draco3.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff157/scocor83/draco1.jpg

Seraph
08-02-2010, 00:12
...Another option is to add the stock and permanently attach a muzzle brake that brings the barrel length up to the legal limit of 16". So then it's not an SBR but a "compact AK". On the upside it requires no paperwork and more importantly no $200 tax stamp.

Thinking similarly, I recently did that with a couple of Bulgarian parts kits, and am quite satisfied. Since K-var seems to be short on triangle stock stuff, I used the reproduction available from DPH Arms (I think they have them right now for $99 for a complete setup). Built them on NoDak Spud receivers made specifically for the triangle stock. It required a little work, but came out dandy. Here's one of the pics that I posted in my "Twins of Evil" thread about those two rifles:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g111/Trisagion/Twins%20Of%20Evil/TwinsOfEvil_05.jpg

I suppose if I wanted to SBR a Draco, I'd just consider it a parts kit, demill it from its original receiver, and rebuild it on a NoDak Spud reciever, with the DPH Arms stock kit.

Adionik
08-02-2010, 00:18
Draco with a stock would be so badass. Paying the man $200 for the right to do so...not so cool.

Great Googly Moogly
08-09-2010, 21:49
A competent machinist can MAKE the whole thing.

cpu77
01-27-2011, 05:55
more draco pics (not mine though) :crying:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff157/scocor83/draco2-1.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff157/scocor83/draco3.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff157/scocor83/draco1.jpg
I know that rifle is not your but any idea what rail system that is? What adapter was used so you could use the magpul grip?

scottMO
01-27-2011, 08:13
upper rail and lower rail are pushing 300 for the set:

ultimak M1-B - additional work needs to be done to it to fit but this gives the full rail w/a shortened gas tube..
ACR2-SC-stamped - (21 slot rail)-

grip adapter is from ACE, although theyve changed the style a bit.
http://www.parallaxtactical.com/store/bmz_cache/d/dc68767b5eb4529c8e77864856440cd6.image.733x550.jpg

this is the new style with the thinner "tail" so a grip would need to have a little work done to it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/salmonaxe/Draco_01.jpg

the full link w/lots of q/a. this guy should sell stock in draco's and accy's as he's directly responsible for alot of draco sales:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=98&t=129664&page=1

muscogee
01-28-2011, 01:22
I thought about making a SBR out of my Draco, but the more I thought about it, the less I liked the idea. The barrel is supposed to be 12.5 inches long but is really 11.5. If you add a flash suppressor or muzzle break, the barrel will be 13.5 to 15 inches long. You can buy AKs with 16 inch barrels or slightly longer and avoid the ATF hassle and the $200 tax stamp.

DoctorCheney223
01-29-2011, 01:18
You can have a very nice SBR with the Draco and save some $$ over the Krinkov variant.

Here are some SBR's I made from Draco's.

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/1131/dracoconversion3.jpg

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5153/dracoconversionplum2.jpg

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5291/dracoconversion1.jpg


thanks,
Ron

Aceman
01-29-2011, 08:09
Decisions, decisions.....

Plain Draco, Tacticool draco, Underfold SBR, stocked SBR, Folding SBR....

Not enough time in the day, or money in the pocket!

Aceman
01-29-2011, 08:10
more draco pics (not mine though) :crying:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff157/scocor83/draco2-1.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff157/scocor83/draco3.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff157/scocor83/draco1.jpg

That thing looks awesome.