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venenoindy
12-05-2009, 02:48
Im currently looking to get a target (range) 1911 in 9mm, while I know there is lots of options out there it is the STI Trojan and the Fusion Scout that Im looking at. from what I see they are very similar but not the same, they seem to be only a couple of hundreds apart but don't know much about either so any help that you can give me to know witch would be a better choice would be great.

venenoindy
12-05-2009, 02:49
I forgot to ask does fusion accept credit cards?

ranburr1
12-05-2009, 05:33
Don't know about the credit cards. But, you might as well buy whichever is cheapest. STI and Fusion are pretty much one in the same. Fusion gets their parts from STI.

bac1023
12-05-2009, 06:08
This isn't a full custom shop, specializing in building one masterpiece at a time. Fusion is more or less a production grade 1911 that can be customized to the buyer's specs within reason. They better accept cards.

In fact, I bought my Fusion with a card over the phone directly from Bob Serva.













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HAIL CAESAR
12-05-2009, 12:25
Don't know about the credit cards. But, you might as well buy whichever is cheapest. STI and Fusion are pretty much one in the same. Fusion gets their parts from STI.

:upeyes:

Again with this...

You can call and tell Bob Serva that you want STI triggers, and hammers, and a grip safety, STI barrel, and every other part...

Or

You can tell Bob to use a EB grip safety, EGW slide stop, C&S hammer and sear, Harrison trigger, Kart barrel, S&A magwell, and whatever other parts you have in mind. You want the mainspring housing rounded..order it. You want the muzzle crowned...order it. You want the top of the slide serrated..order it. You want checkering, 20, 25, 30 LPI...order it that way. You want Chainlink...order it that want. You want a steel frame, aluminum frame, ramped or unramped barrel..order it that way. You want a 2 barrel set up with 9mm/38 Super..order it. You want Heine sights, Novak, green front, yellow front, green front yellow rear, two dot rear, bar rear, fixed, adjustable... order it that way. You want stainless, steel with blueing/ceramic coat/ or Ion bond...order it that way.

Are you starting to get a point????

You build the gun the way you want it, with the parts you want. Fusion has a website with "models" of guns they sell because you have to have somewhere to start with. If you want something else just you don't see call Bob and work it out with him. Try doing that with STI, Kimber, or any other regular 1911 production factory. The only other ones that will do that is Springfield Armory, but they will transfer you to the Custom Shop ( Springfield has a real Custom Shop that make truly great custom guns). And sometimes Dan Wesson will tweak something to your needs.

Yes, Fusion takes CC. Half of build cost due at order, rest at completion.

Remington700VS
12-05-2009, 12:37
Im currently looking to get a target (range) 1911 in 9mm, while I know there is lots of options out there it is the STI Trojan and the Fusion Scout that Im looking at. from what I see they are very similar but not the same, they seem to be only a couple of hundreds apart but don't know much about either so any help that you can give me to know witch would be a better choice would be great.

Fusions are nice. Given a choice, I'd pick the STI everythime :wavey:

bac1023
12-05-2009, 13:57
:upeyes:

Again with this...

You can call and tell Bob Serva that you want STI triggers, and hammers, and a grip safety, STI barrel, and every other part...

Or

You can tell Bob to use a EB grip safety, EGW slide stop, C&S hammer and sear, Harrison trigger, Kart barrel, S&A magwell, and whatever other parts you have in mind. You want the mainspring housing rounded..order it. You want the muzzle crowned...order it. You want the top of the slide serrated..order it. You want checkering, 20, 25, 30 LPI...order it that way. You want Chainlink...order it that want. You want a steel frame, aluminum frame, ramped or unramped barrel..order it that way. You want a 2 barrel set up with 9mm/38 Super..order it. You want Heine sights, Novak, green front, yellow front, green front yellow rear, two dot rear, bar rear, fixed, adjustable... order it that way. You want stainless, steel with blueing/ceramic coat/ or Ion bond...order it that way.

Are you starting to get a point????

You build the gun the way you want it, with the parts you want. Fusion has a website with "models" of guns they sell because you have to have somewhere to start with. If you want something else just you don't see call Bob and work it out with him. Try doing that with STI, Kimber, or any other regular 1911 production factory. The only other ones that will do that is Springfield Armory, but they will transfer you to the Custom Shop ( Springfield has a real Custom Shop that make truly great custom guns). And sometimes Dan Wesson will tweak something to your needs.

Yes, Fusion takes CC. Half of build cost due at order, rest at completion.


Very true. Bob will use the parts you want, more or less.

Caesar, judging from your post, you seem to be a big fan of Fusion.

I like them as well. However, they are creeping up in price.

bac1023
12-05-2009, 13:59
Fusions are nice. Given a choice, I'd pick the STI everythime :wavey:

It really depends on the STI.

They have 1911s with a forged frame and slide, they have 1911s with cast frames, and they have Filipino built 1911s.

All are good, in my opinion, but they don't all compare favorably to Fusion.

I love the Legacy, but sadly, it was discontinued. Mine has the optional PVD ionbond finish.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1755.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1757.jpg






The Trojan is also great, but I'm not sure its quite as nice as Fusion's stuff.


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4463/0001686fc0.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5629/0001690ud9.jpg

HAIL CAESAR
12-05-2009, 14:22
Don't know about the credit cards. But, you might as well buy whichever is cheapest. STI and Fusion are pretty much one in the same. Fusion gets their parts from STI.

Very true. Bob will use the parts you want, more or less.

Caesar, judging from your post, you seem to be a big fan of Fusion.

I like them as well. However, they are creeping up in price.

What's "more or less"? If you meant that he will not use RIA parts, then yes I understand.

Maybe not their biggest fan, but I at least respect and realize what they do and what they are. To say you might as well buy a STI because Fusion uses STI is simplistic.


Their price along with everyone's prices are creeping up. You can thank the "Anointed Leader" Obamination for devalue our dollar for that. Gun prices are going up across the bar.

Actually I am getting a little irritated at Fusion right now. The Fusion I ordered with a 16 week time frame is now over 30. I will probably get my Springfield Custom before I get the Fusion and I ordered the Springfield after the Fusion.

bac1023
12-05-2009, 14:31
What's "more or less"? If you meant that he will not use RIA parts, then yes I understand.



Exactly what I meant. There are some limitations.

bac1023
12-05-2009, 14:34
Actually I am getting a little irritated at Fusion right now. The Fusion I ordered with a 16 week time frame is now over 30. I will probably get my Springfield Custom before I get the Fusion and I ordered the Springfield after the Fusion.

I bought mine when it was already finished, so no waiting. Bob had a few on Gunbroker at the time and I called and spoke to him about it before purchasing it. Its the Custom Elite Commander and a very good shooter.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2477.jpg





Did you order one of Springfield Custom's standard models, or spec it out yourself?

ranburr1
12-05-2009, 17:20
:upeyes:

Again with this...

You can call and tell Bob Serva that you want STI triggers, and hammers, and a grip safety, STI barrel, and every other part...

Or

You can tell Bob to use a EB grip safety, EGW slide stop, C&S hammer and sear, Harrison trigger, Kart barrel, S&A magwell, and whatever other parts you have in mind. You want the mainspring housing rounded..order it. You want the muzzle crowned...order it. You want the top of the slide serrated..order it. You want checkering, 20, 25, 30 LPI...order it that way. You want Chainlink...order it that want. You want a steel frame, aluminum frame, ramped or unramped barrel..order it that way. You want a 2 barrel set up with 9mm/38 Super..order it. You want Heine sights, Novak, green front, yellow front, green front yellow rear, two dot rear, bar rear, fixed, adjustable... order it that way. You want stainless, steel with blueing/ceramic coat/ or Ion bond...order it that way.

Are you starting to get a point????

You build the gun the way you want it, with the parts you want. Fusion has a website with "models" of guns they sell because you have to have somewhere to start with. If you want something else just you don't see call Bob and work it out with him. Try doing that with STI, Kimber, or any other regular 1911 production factory. The only other ones that will do that is Springfield Armory, but they will transfer you to the Custom Shop ( Springfield has a real Custom Shop that make truly great custom guns). And sometimes Dan Wesson will tweak something to your needs.

Yes, Fusion takes CC. Half of build cost due at order, rest at completion.


All of that may be true. But, his standard parts are STI. This includes the heart of the gun; slide, frame, and barrel.

HAIL CAESAR
12-05-2009, 18:01
All of that may be true. But, his standard parts are STI. This includes the heart of the gun; slide, frame, and barrel.

Serva posted pics awhile back of frame and slides being made on CNC machines. So I doubt at least all his frames and slides are STI as they appear to be making some themselves. Maybe he does use some STI frames, but what knowledge of this do you have?

I will email Mr. Serva and ask the question Monday morning about who makes their frames and slides.

Not that it would matter much, Wilson used to use Kimber slide and frames, there are Custom shops charging thousands for Caspian slide and frames. So by your logic a Wilson should have cost no more than a Kimber???

As long as the base frame and slides are in spec and of good quality and the good parts put into them are done by a good smith with skill.........then what is the problem?

velodemon
12-05-2009, 18:23
I've got a 9mm STI Trojan... couldn't ask for a nicer shooting gun....:supergrin:

bac1023
12-05-2009, 22:45
Serva posted pics awhile back of frame and slides being made on CNC machines. So I doubt at least all his frames and slides are STI as they appear to be making some themselves. Maybe he does use some STI frames, but what knowledge of this do you have?



He told me that mine was not an STI frame when I questioned him before buying it. He said it was 100% Fusion, though I don't believe they make their own frames. Either way, they aren't all STI.

HAIL CAESAR
12-05-2009, 23:47
He told me that mine was not an STI frame when I questioned him before buying it. He said it was 100% Fusion, though I don't believe they make their own frames. Either way, they aren't all STI.

All of that may be true. But, his standard parts are STI. This includes the heart of the gun; slide, frame, and barrel.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/servarw/NCOM080409update.jpghttp://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/servarw/Ncom080809-4.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/servarw/Ncom080809-2.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/servarw/Ncom080809-3.jpg

Posted by Robert Serva, showing Fusion "making" their own frames.:wavey:

Morgo
12-06-2009, 01:48
Sti Trojan all the way :)

HAIL CAESAR
12-06-2009, 02:16
Back to the OP and to get away from Fusion Arms misinformation;

STI guns are very good guns. There 9mm are no exception.

They know how to make a good 1911 that works out of the box. That alone puts them apart from a lot of 1911 manufacturers, especially with 9mm's.

bac1023
12-06-2009, 07:28
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/servarw/NCOM080409update.jpghttp://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/servarw/Ncom080809-4.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/servarw/Ncom080809-2.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/servarw/Ncom080809-3.jpg

Posted by Robert Serva, showing Fusion "making" their own frames.



Cool.

I guess when he said mine was 100% Fusion, he wasn't kidding. :supergrin:

remat
02-23-2010, 00:57
From Bob Serva from another forum:
"As for our frames and Slides, We have both cast and Forged. The are made to our Spec's at our vendors in TX or Mass. and we finish them here in upstate NY."

(source: http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=190553)

I really liked this pic:
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/servarw/Surfacegrind3.jpg

pack-indy
02-23-2010, 12:26
How do we know those pictures are actually at Fusion and not some random pics from the internet? Unless I see Bob himself standing in front of one of those machines, I don't believe it.

















I keed, I keed sheesh :tongueout:

beretta-neo
02-23-2010, 13:50
How do we know those pictures are actually at Fusion and not some random pics from the internet? Unless I see Bob himself standing in front of one of those machines, I don't believe it.

How do we know you are a real person, and not some 'bot doing the posting :rofl:

pack-indy
02-23-2010, 15:39
How do we know you are a real person, and not some 'bot doing the posting :rofl:

Because I put a smilie face :)

txgolfer45
02-23-2010, 19:41
I'd order the STI Trojan. I have one and love it!

bac1023
02-23-2010, 21:01
How do we know you are a real person, and not some 'bot doing the posting :rofl:

:rofl::rofl:

bac1023
02-23-2010, 21:01
I'd order the STI Trojan. I have one and love it!

Yeah, great 1911 :)

gconan
02-24-2010, 16:56
I would go with a forged frame either way.

rem2429
02-25-2010, 01:13
Of course, if you get the STI, you pay a grand for a gun that says TROJAN in giant letters across the slide. For so many reasons, I could do without that.

....playing in my head "Trojan Man!"