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jkchan83
12-08-2009, 14:56
I received a new Advantage Arms 17-22 Law Enforcement .22LR Conversion Kit for my Glock last night. I took it to the range this morning and put it on my Glock 34 frame. Here are my initial thoughts.

I had a small amount of trouble getting the slide mounted. I eventually figured out that the recoil spring assembly was blocking the slide. The barrel lug has a very, very small notch for the recoil spring guide. You have to make sure that the guide is exactly in the notch or it will drop down and block the slide from going back on the frame.

Once I got it assembled, I loaded the magazine. The magazines are nice, but could (and should) hold greater than 10 rounds. The magazine has plastic feed lips, which Iím not sure I like, but which seem to work for now. The relatively tall feed lips made it a little harder for me to load the little .22LR rounds in the magazine with my fat fingers, at first. I used the magazine loader and eventually found a way to load rounds by hand. It takes some practice.

Actually shooting the gun was the best part of the trip. After reading other comments online, I decided to use CCI Mini-mags to break in the new slide. I fired 100 rounds without a single problem. Out of the box, the gun fired slightly left of point of aim. With the adjustable rear sight, I was able to dial it in quickly. (FYI: on the Glock adjustable rear sight, the rear screw adjusts elevation and the front screw adjusts windage.) The gun has very little recoil, despite the light weight of the polymer frame. Itís very controllable and I would not hesitate to take a new shooter out with this slide.

After the 100 rounds, I switched to Remington Golden Bullets, which most people recommended for use after breaking in with CCI Mini-mags. I started to run into some problems. I had 1 failure to extract that caused a double-feed. The slide was able to come forward enough to strip the next round off the top of the magazine and drive it up the feed ramp. The pressure of the second round trying to enter the chamber wedged the case into the chamber. It would not come out with repeated attempts to rack the slide. After removing the magazine and locking the slide back, I was able to use the included cleaning rod to knock the shell casing out of the chamber. I also had 1 failure to feed with the Golden Bullets.

The jams could have been caused by a number of factors, not the least of which is that I had already fired 100+ rounds before the jam occurred. I will use Golden Bullets exclusively next time to see if the culprit is bad ammo. I will also try shooting more than 100 rounds of Mini-mags, too.

After shooting with the .22 slide, I switched back to my 9mm slide. I found that my shooting was more consistent. I was definitely more aware of my fundamentals after practicing with the lower-recoiling .22LR.

So far, I am very glad that I purchased the Advantage Arms slide. I really like that it keeps the regular Glock controls, including locking the slide back on the last round. The mag catch and slide stop levers work as expected and the trigger pull was almost exactly the same as with the 9mm slide. It is a lot cheaper to shoot and allows me to focus on my shooting fundamentals. (As an additional benefit, it is a lot harder to see .22 caliber holes in the target. That means I am less prone to ďsearch for the holeĒ and can focus on keeping my focus on my front sight.)

Bottom Line: I highly recommend the Advantage Arms Conversion Kit for Glock.

BamaTrooper
12-08-2009, 15:50
My wife and I sent about 400 rounds of Golden Bullets down range one day last week.
The only problem we encountered was a pair of failure to ignite rounds.

greatwun
12-08-2009, 15:57
Good to hear. I only use CCI mini nags on mine and usually only have 1 malfunction out of every 300 rounds. Still a pretty good kit and well worth the money.

MSW
12-08-2009, 16:04
Advantage Arms 17-22 Law Enforcement .22LR Conversion Kit ====

What's one of these run?

Can it be shipped w/o a FFL?

eringobragh
12-08-2009, 16:08
I just got a 17-22 LE kit two weeks ago and it has been great!

The wife and I have put about 200 rounds of 40gr Rem Golden Bullets thru it with 100% reliability. Have put about another 200 rounds of 36gr Rem Golden Bullets thru it with only a handful of various malfunctions.

I haven't been able to find any CCI Mini-Mags in our area.

robertwh
12-08-2009, 16:29
I have one for my 21 and have run close to 800 rounds through it. Well worth the investment. I shoot Rem. Golden and CCI through mine and have very few malfunctions. Very reliable!:cool:

TcRoc
12-08-2009, 16:31
Congrats ,,love mine for the G17 ,at about 700 rounds without a failure with Rem Golden Bullets

brianr34
12-08-2009, 17:11
I have the 22 kit for my G19 and it is very nice overall. I have better luck with the Rem Golden Bullets than I do with the CCI mini-mags.

It is nice going to the range and shooting 200-300 rounds and not spending a lot of money. Also, my 13 yr old daughter is starting to shoot and it is easier for her to shoot the 22.

jdeere_man
12-08-2009, 17:26
I have one as well and they are good for cheap practice.

Retail is $265 w/cleaning kit and you use to be able to order them direct from the manufacturer. You can still order some of the kits from them, but some must be ordered/bought from a dealer. This was as "temporary, indefinite" change made due to demand (my understanding of it). They can be purchased for almost any Glock model. They do not require a FFL to recieve, since they are not considered a firearm. They are simply an accessory to be used on an existing gun.

They are worth the money if you shoot a lot. They dont' simulate real shooting in a lot of ways (primarily recoil and noise), but you get a lot of trigger and sight time for cheap money.

petekim
12-08-2009, 17:29
I have a kit for my G-27. NEVER had a malfunction with Mini Mags and very few with GB's. No FFL required.

pakettle
12-08-2009, 17:35
Advantage Arms 17-22 Law Enforcement .22LR Conversion Kit ====

What's one of these run?

Can it be shipped w/o a FFL?

Received one for my glock 17 a week ago direct from AA, $305 with an extra mag and shipping. Shipped UPS direct to buyer, does not have to go through an FFL dealer. These are great kits, I had one for a glock 19 and a 26 some time ago.

Elmer Fudd
12-08-2009, 17:45
The magazines are nice, but could (and should) hold greater than 10 rounds.[/B]

I just bought two of the 19-23 kits, and have fired around 700 rounds through one of them. As AA says, they do not like Federal bulk pack, although my bulk packs were 5 years old, so that might be part of the issue. Probably half the rounds were FTF or FTE. Minimags did much better. I have some GBs and a bunch of other brands to try out next time.

I believe AA is legally restricted from making more than a 10 round magazine, since they are based in California.

robin303
12-08-2009, 19:11
Dang I e-mailed them a few days ago and they said they have over 500 back ordered. Seems like a very long wait.

Kegs
12-08-2009, 19:55
I have a 29/30 LE model and really like it - I intend to use it for small game hunting eventually, but want to test it for precision first. I'm about 2-3 weeks out from that - but eventually, I'll get to it.

They claim 2" @ 25y and I believe that's just about right - though definitely noticed that different rounds shoot with different precision (the Remington target rounds - blue & green box) work pretty good.

One note I had is that while Federal "champion" rounds (blue box) will fail to eject 9/10 times, the Federal premium "Gold Medal" target (Red/black/gold box #719) work extremely well (very few failures of any type) and my initial testing shows they actually produce among the tightest groups of any round I've tried through my AA conversion.

I have had a significantly higher failure (to feed & eject) than most have with their conversion kits. I am not sure what the reason is for this, but it could be due to the magazines.

The mini-mags are also a good round in this unit. In fact, as I look at my notes, those three (Fed #719, Remington target, and mini-mag - both hp and solids) worked well.

The golden bullets didn't work very well for me...lots of failure to extracts with those - and that was with the small lot boxes... This gun likes high velocity rounds - it won't work very well at all with any of the standard velocity rounds I have tried. It does work very well with CCI velocitors (hyper velocity - not recommended) - though I was just plinking with those a bit and did not note precision with them - I had no failures at all with CCI velocitors or small game bullets (SGB gave horrible precision in this unit - not worth bothering with).

I have many more rounds to try in this unit. I'll be looking for 40gr. solids in the 1150-1300 fps (published rifle velocities) range for further testing...

cmcinc
12-08-2009, 20:50
Thanks for the review. Now I just need to get my hands on one.

Wulfgang
12-08-2009, 20:59
I have had one on backorder for my G19 since 2/15/2009.

Every Sunday morning I receive an e-mail, "Thank you for your patience".

OVERTHEHILLGUY
12-08-2009, 22:06
Does anyone know WHY Federal bulk pack fails to work in the conversion?? They should be loaded SAMMI specs.



OVERTHEHILLGUY

AgentAdam
12-08-2009, 22:17
Probably the truncated cone shape bullet instead of the round nose type profile of the MiniMag, Rem Golden Bullet, ect. Too bad. I really like Federal bulk.

OVERTHEHILLGUY
12-08-2009, 22:25
HMMMMMMM. good point!

OVERTHEHILLGUY:tree:

Elmer Fudd
12-08-2009, 23:54
I have had one on backorder for my G19 since 2/15/2009.

Every Sunday morning I receive an e-mail, "Thank you for your patience".

From who, Advantage Arms? I ordered one direct from themSep. 1, 2009, and just got it a few days ago.

Elmer Fudd
12-09-2009, 00:04
Does anyone know WHY Federal bulk pack fails to work in the conversion?? They should be loaded SAMMI specs.



OVERTHEHILLGUY

The box I shot had a lot of FTF - a good primer strike, but no ignition. Also a lot of FTE - on another post somewhere someone suggested the rims might be out of spec such that the extractor is not catching on them properly. Some of the FTE I have seem to be due to the action not cycling, perhaps the rounds are not charged with powder adequately. I have also had several instances where I had to pry a casing out of the chamber (usually Federal), and numerous double feeds, which might prove the theory of the rim problem, if the extractor is not seating around the rim properly, and it is slipping off the rim on recoil. Perhaps Federal's QC and manufacturing tolerances are worse than everyone else's on their .22LR line.

SweetKnuckles
12-09-2009, 00:10
Does anyone know WHY Federal bulk pack fails to work in the conversion??

Don't recall if the info was from AA or elsewhere, but I recall something about cartridge length being different which affected function.

Have no idea if that's accurate, but mine chokes on nearly every round of Fed bulk I've tried to put thru. Flawless with CCI and nearly flawless with Remmy Golden.

HK Dan
12-09-2009, 07:14
In my experience the rounds need to do at least 1200 FPS to work the slide properly (1250 is better). If you hit that, it's taken everything I've put in it. Under that, nothing seems to work.

Point 2--DON'T LUBE IT LIKE A GLOCK. Lube it like a 1911--not swimming in it, but a light film.

ken grant
12-09-2009, 07:47
I have 3 AA Kits, a 19/23,a 20/21 and a 1911. None of them will work with Federal Bulk Pks. All of them have failures to extract and then bend the rd. trying to feed from the mag.
I have not had any FTFeed except for the above and all seem to work the slide full travel.
I have tried several other .22's and the only ones that work well are Mini-Mags ( both H.P. & R.N.) and Rem. G.B. Bulk pks. although I have Failures to fire with the Rems. I can't blame the F T Fire on the kits because I have the same in other .22's.

greatwun
12-09-2009, 09:26
They are pretty picky about what you feed them.

LSP972
12-10-2009, 07:26
I have thousands of rounds through mine (G19 version). Flawless with CCI Mini-Mags; it will shoot the CCI Standard Velocity too, for about 100 rounds before it begins choking and the lower power level cannot overcome the grunge build-up.

Spotty with Golden Bullets, no joy at all with the Federal or Winchester "bulk pack" stuff. When the GBs went up, I just ordered a 5000 round case of Mini-Mags from Midway. The reliability is worth the extra cost of the CCI ammunition.

As noted earlier, it requires proper lubrication. More is better than less, in my experience. I keep mine pretty wet, and it has gone 300+ rounds at a time with no malfs.

I just ordered a JPoint holograph red dot sight and dovetail mount for mine; keeping my fingers crossed that the bit of extra weight these have won't interfere with the reliability.

I've shot four different examples of this product; as far as I'm concerned, its one of the most cost-effective (and fun) accessories you can buy.

I just wish they made one for my HK45C...

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Brucev
12-10-2009, 08:42
Based on this and other reports, I am going to buy a AA upper unit for my G-22. My only question is, where would it be best to buy the unit? I.e., from what I read, ordering from AA means a extremely long wait. Is there any retail location that actually has them in stock? I live in GA. Sincerely. Brucev.

Elmer Fudd
12-10-2009, 09:21
Based on this and other reports, I am going to buy a AA upper unit for my G-22. My only question is, where would it be best to buy the unit? I.e., from what I read, ordering from AA means a extremely long wait. Is there any retail location that actually has them in stock? I live in GA. Sincerely. Brucev.

I would try to get one on order with Advantage Arms. After trying to find one (a model 19-23) locally here in Birmingham, I placed one on order with AA Sep. 1. It finally delivered a week ago. A few weeks ago I was in a local gun store and just happened to see one on the shelf, which I snapped up, as I wanted two anyway.

I would see if you could get one on order with AA. You could always cancel prior to shipment, or sell it yourself, if you find one before.

Their web site says you must order through a dealer, but you might try calling them anyway and sweet talking their nice CS rep.

dsmw5142
12-10-2009, 09:22
I ordered a 2nd one direct from advantage arms with 3 extra mags in September. Just got the ship notification yesterday.

When they get caught back up again, they will open up factory direct sales. You just have to check it once in a while. They weren't re-opened for long before they were flooded and shut it down again.

The one guy who ordered in February, either didn't order from Advantage Arms directly, or had his order fall through the cracks. I think AA stops factory direct sales to individuals because they don't want to have people waiting a year or two the the ever-increasing back log.

Check Gunbroker and the Glock talk classified section. You'll find someone who needs money.

sbmohr75
12-16-2009, 15:07
I ordered a kit for my G21 from trading post last week and just got it yesterday. However, I cannot recommend this product at all (at least for the G20/21). I followed the instructions to the letter and used high velocity CCI minimags. Every other shot there would be a failure to feed a jam or it would feed improperly and the bullet would actually get bent. As Yoda would say: "Total junk this product is"

If anyone thinks they would have better luck, they are more than welcome to buy mine ;^)

jkchan83
12-29-2009, 23:20
I ordered a kit for my G21 from trading post last week and just got it yesterday. However, I cannot recommend this product at all (at least for the G20/21). I followed the instructions to the letter and used high velocity CCI minimags. Every other shot there would be a failure to feed a jam or it would feed improperly and the bullet would actually get bent. As Yoda would say: "Total junk this product is"

If anyone thinks they would have better luck, they are more than welcome to buy mine ;^)

How many rounds did you put through it? I have read other reports which state that the kit needs 100 rounds or so to break in.

pakettle
12-30-2009, 13:54
I just ran 200 mini mags through my 17rtf, had one stove pipe jam, these AA kits need about 3 maybe 400 rounds through them before they function well.
I had a Glock 26 that shot better with an AA kit better then with 9mm.

FlyfishermanMike
12-30-2009, 14:30
What about lead or HP? Can they be shot?

humanguerrilla
12-30-2009, 14:39
Only failures I've had with my 19-23 kit have been during long sessions after it is really dirty. Our area Wallyworlds carry the Remington Golden Bullet bulk packs. Anyone break down and purchase their carry gun's/shooting gun's sights for their kit?

stengun
12-30-2009, 19:15
Howdy,

Does anyone know WHY Federal bulk pack fails to work in the conversion?? They should be loaded SAMMI specs.



OVERTHEHILLGUY

I have a Ciener kit for my G23 and it works with the Fed bulk ammo. Sure, I'll get 2 or 3 duds out of 550rds, but that is ok.

I cannot get the Rem. GB bulk ammo to work with any .22 that I own. Heck even my bolt-actoin Marlin doesn't like them. 9 out of 10 rounds has some type of hiccup. III can set up a target at 50ydds and using Fed. bulk I can shoot a 3/8" group off a bench w/ my Marlin. When I switch to GB bulk it opens up to 2" not counting the duds that never make it there.:steamed:

Paul

dsmw5142
01-01-2010, 16:45
Howdy,



I have a Ciener kit for my G23 and it works with the Fed bulk ammo. Sure, I'll get 2 or 3 duds out of 550rds, but that is ok.

I cannot get the Rem. GB bulk ammo to work with any .22 that I own. Heck even my bolt-actoin Marlin doesn't like them. 9 out of 10 rounds has some type of hiccup. III can set up a target at 50ydds and using Fed. bulk I can shoot a 3/8" group off a bench w/ my Marlin. When I switch to GB bulk it opens up to 2" not counting the duds that never make it there.:steamed:

Paul

I don't have many failures with GB's in either of my two kits. They work well enough for what I use them for. I do agree the Federal bulk pack is more consistent and probably a bit better quality though. The Rem. GB's run ok in all my guns, but with my latest box, every dozen rounds or so I have one that feels like it is loaded light and cycles at half speed. The Federal group a bit tighter. I don't expect TOO much out of bulk pack stuff though.

I have tried lots of different ammo in my 1 yr old conversion and it is pretty picky. It even jams up occasionally with the GB's. Federal and others are pretty much a disaster (unless you like to tap, rack, bang, every 3rd shot). My new kit I just received has gone through about 3-400 Golden bullets right out of the box and hasn't had the first failure. :dunno:

Need to give the federal/WIN a try. Mostly I save the GB's for my conversions and use Fed/WIN in MK II and III and rifles.

den888
01-01-2010, 17:01
Thanks for the nice range report. I am looking at a .22 conversion kit also !

Glocken-spiel
01-01-2010, 20:57
i'm also looking to get the AA conversion for G26. the website seems to read that certain models must be ordered through a dealer (30 week wait list) but the G26/27 conversion is available to be ordered direct (claim 12-14 week wait).

so i'm hopeful.

1-2man
01-01-2010, 21:32
I just broke past 300 rounds on my newest AA conversion kit and it just started not holding the slide open on an empty mag. Not every time but every so often. It is a bit concerning as I'm finding myself dry firing it a bit more than I should. I'm now counting the rounds to eliminate from doing this too often.

BamaTrooper
01-01-2010, 23:03
I just broke past 300 rounds on my newest AA conversion kit and it just started not holding the slide open on an empty mag. Not every time but every so often. It is a bit concerning as I'm finding myself dry firing it a bit more than I should. I'm now counting the rounds to eliminate from doing this too often.

Are you using a snap cap? If not, watch for the pin to peen the top edge of the chamber. That can lead to a problem of its own.
As for the slide not locking open, I doubt it is the magazine spring unless you got a bad one. Do you shoot high thumb grip? Could you be restraining the slide lock lever? Pressure that might not stop the centerfire mag springs might be enough to stop the rimfire spring.

SomeDay
01-01-2010, 23:18
I've had one for a couple of years. I use Rem Gold w/out any major problems. As with any bulk ammo, every once in a while there will be a problem (1-2 in a 100). The CCI work the best in my experience, but there are significantly more expensive.
As for the 10 round mags, I'm a little annoyed by that also, but since they are manufactured here in California, there is nothing they can do about it.

UNIT 6639
01-02-2010, 09:08
I have had one on backorder for my G19 since 2/15/2009.

Every Sunday morning I receive an e-mail, "Thank you for your patience".

Better served looking for a used one in the EE, I wanted one too but the backorder is just to long of a wait, I will either just get a dedicated .22 (Ruger MKIII) or buy a used one .

wsteps
01-02-2010, 10:29
In my experience the rounds need to do at least 1200 FPS to work the slide properly (1250 is better). If you hit that, it's taken everything I've put in it. Under that, nothing seems to work.

Point 2--DON'T LUBE IT LIKE A GLOCK. Lube it like a 1911--not swimming in it, but a light film.

I don't have a conversion kit for any of my Glocks (yet) but I do have Ciener conversion kits for my 1911's and my AR 15's. Ciener does make conversion kits for the Glock - which is the brand I will buy.

A couple of points on conversion kits. Most, if not all, companies suggest using high velocity ammo with 40 gr bullets to adequately work the slide. Many suggest using only round nose ammo for proper feeding.

Some conversion kits have some rough spots that slow the slide which will causing feeding and extraction problems. With a little smoothing of the contact points, this shouldn't be a problem.

As to the quote above, I agree totally with the suggestion regarding lube. I run my conversions fairly wet to guarantee proper slide (and bolt) function.

Both of my Ciener conversions ran great right out of the box. Despite the usual suggestion of running high velocity, heavier rounds, both of my kits eat up the Federal bulk packs (36 gr bullets) without any problems at all. The Federal Lighting and Gold Match run great too, as expected.

These conversions are really nice and the shooting is cheap.

mboylan
01-02-2010, 13:02
The only ammo they really run well is CCI Mini-mags, which run $6.50+/100. They also need to run a little wet.

BamaTrooper
01-04-2010, 09:54
The only ammo they really run well is CCI Mini-mags, which run $6.50+/100. They also need to run a little wet.

I must have the special version. I have had a few bad primers on Rem GBs but never a fail to extract/eject. I agree with the run-wet theory. I had some older GB that were in storage and the lead got "dry", they stick in everything I try to use them in except my 10-22.