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20South
12-13-2009, 23:42
Anyone know where I can find a p7 psp now? I am afraid I missed the boat at cdnn. I am calling tomorrow, but they arent in their flyer any longer. Same for Top Gun Supply. Gun Broker has a couple, but the 'A' grade is 900+...

Glock30fan
12-14-2009, 05:29
Best price around ($509) is here...

http://www.hkspecialiststore.com/product_detail.php?Category=22&Page_Number=1&Index_Seq=552&Home_Page=

nra-life-member
12-14-2009, 19:43
You looking for a grade a or grade c?

20South
12-14-2009, 23:02
I would love to find a grade 'A', and am just coming to grips with what I am going to have to spend. Although they are not easy to find for sure.

H&K 4 LIFE
12-15-2009, 09:34
I would love to find a grade 'A', and am just coming to grips with what I am going to have to spend. Although they are not easy to find for sure.

If your going to shoot (carry) it, then I would save some money and get a Grade B or C and skip the A.

The P7 European police trade-in's are graded on outside wear alone. The internals on most of those graded C are usually in very good shape.

You could also refinish the Grade B/C after you shoot it for a while and decide if you like it. Some popular finishes for the P7 are hard chrome and NP3. :)

20South
12-15-2009, 12:13
If your going to shoot (carry) it, then I would save some money and get a Grade B or C and skip the A.

The P7 European police trade-in's are graded on outside wear alone. The internals on most of those graded C are usually in very good shape.

You could also refinish the Grade B/C after you shoot it for a while and decide if you like it. Some popular finishes for the P7 are hard chrome and NP3. :)

That's a real good point. I ordered one today from Gordon at the HK Specialists Store. I will post some pics as soon as it comes in. Now for some mags and a holster.

nra-life-member
12-15-2009, 12:58
That's a real good point. I ordered one today from Gordon at the HK Specialists Store. I will post some pics as soon as it comes in. Now for some mags and a holster.

You should get 2 mags with the P7. Here is the box shown by the seller. He had extra mags, but looks like they are sold out..

http://www.hkspecialiststore.com/Images/Product/Resized/r_560_05522_box3.jpg

http://www.hkspecialiststore.com/Images/Product/Resized/r_560_05522_box3.jpg

CBennett
12-15-2009, 17:02
If your going to shoot (carry) it, then I would save some money and get a Grade B or C and skip the A.

The P7 European police trade-in's are graded on outside wear alone. The internals on most of those graded C are usually in very good shape.

You could also refinish the Grade B/C after you shoot it for a while and decide if you like it. Some popular finishes for the P7 are hard chrome and NP3. :)

Im getting so mad I have a Glock 23 and not a P7 :( .

20South
12-15-2009, 21:28
Im getting so mad I have a Glock 23 and not a P7 :( .

That's nothing to get mad about. The 23 is a fine piece. I had a 19 and sold it. Thats a sale I wish I hadn't made.

Onmilo
12-15-2009, 23:11
You are getting mad because you have a 13 shot polymer framed .40 caliber that can take larger capacity magazines instead of an 8 shot heavier than it needs to be steel framed 9mm?????

I like my P7.
I like my Glock 19 just a little bit more.

20South
12-15-2009, 23:33
8 shot heavier than it needs to be steel framed 9mm?????

She's not a fat girl, she's just big boned..."

CBennett
12-16-2009, 07:45
That's nothing to get mad about. The 23 is a fine piece. I had a 19 and sold it. Thats a sale I wish I hadn't made.

it would be great if Glock grips actually fit my hand. Not a Glock fan(even though I own one )because of its grips. Although I am thinking of a grip reduction for the 23.

CBennett
12-16-2009, 07:47
She's not a fat girl, she's just big boned..."

Give me a woman with a little bit of meat on her bones not some skinny heroin sheek type :) .

and I can handle bigger (heavier I should say) guns I lugged a M60 around in the military as the 60 gunner and carried a 1911 for years. BTW how is the P7 heft wise compare to a 1911 at least I could make a direct comparison of weight then as its something ive carried.

20South
12-16-2009, 08:11
Give me a woman with a little bit of meat on her bones not some skinny heroin sheek type :) .

and I can handle bigger (heavier I should say) guns I lugged a M60 around in the military as the 60 gunner and carried a 1911 for years. BTW how is the P7 heft wise compare to a 1911 at least I could make a direct comparison of weight then as its something ive carried.

Springfield Mil-Spec comes in at 35.6oz
P7 PSP = 24oz

torrejon224
12-16-2009, 15:22
I currently own seven P7s, two M8s, two M13s, a M10 and two PSPs or plain p7s. Out of all my pistols which include 1911s, BHPs, Walthers, S&Ws, etc, the P7s are my favorite. Extremely easy to conceal, reliable as hell and deadly accurate. Whats not to like?
FWIW the actual PSP model was produced in small numbers compared to the P7. Your's and most of the "heelers" so called due to the location of the mag release are more than likely a P7. The PSPs are marked so on the grip panels and also on the left side of the slide I believe.

20South
12-16-2009, 16:29
I currently own seven P7s, two M8s, two M13s, a M10 and two PSPs or plain p7s. Out of all my pistols which include 1911s, BHPs, Walthers, S&Ws, etc, the P7s are my favorite. Extremely easy to conceal, reliable as hell and deadly accurate. Whats not to like?
FWIW the actual PSP model was produced in small numbers compared to the P7. Your's and most of the "heelers" so called due to the location of the mag release are more than likely a P7. The PSPs are marked so on the grip panels and also on the left side of the slide I believe.

I will check it out as soon as it shows up. Pics coming eventually for sure.

20South
12-16-2009, 16:29
Are the P7 and PSPs the same size?

Onmilo
12-16-2009, 17:19
Are the P7 and PSPs the same size?

Exactly the same except for the manner the magazine release operates and a few very minor details.

CBennett
12-16-2009, 18:24
Springfield Mil-Spec comes in at 35.6oz
P7 PSP = 24oz

TY 20 South then not too bad then as the other gun I was thinking of for CC to replace the Glock 23 was a 1911 in the smaller 4" size :) .

CBennett
12-16-2009, 18:26
I currently own seven P7s, two M8s, two M13s, a M10 and two PSPs or plain p7s. Out of all my pistols which include 1911s, BHPs, Walthers, S&Ws, etc, the P7s are my favorite. Extremely easy to conceal, reliable as hell and deadly accurate. Whats not to like?
FWIW the actual PSP model was produced in small numbers compared to the P7. Your's and most of the "heelers" so called due to the location of the mag release are more than likely a P7. The PSPs are marked so on the grip panels and also on the left side of the slide I believe.

you know what you need?? you need a Glock package of a Glock 23 and a LW 9mm conversion barrel. Id trade you that for a P7 :)

hoffy
12-16-2009, 19:10
Used to work in an HK authorized dealer(that long ago) and I really liked the squeeze cocker, quite accurate. The PSP had no heat shield ahead of the trigger guard and with extended fire got quite hot. That and the mag catch were the main diffs between the PSP and P-7. I have tried for years to get one and every time I have the dough, no guns, guns around, no dough . Blasphemer I may be, but I would prefer the HK over a Glock if I could afford it, but those P7-M13 mags are quite costly and scarce, so I guess i will never have one, though I have several USPs and a P-2000. :whistling: and of course half dozen Glocks. BTW another sweet pistol about the size of a P-7 is the Walther P-5, but the recent imports import mark is simply appalling,looks like a deranged monkey got hold of an electric pencil:faint:

Rolan_Kraps
12-17-2009, 14:55
I've got a nice P7M8 for sale in the classifieds now. It's had the police agency's mark milled off, but has new night sights, 2 magazines.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk200/Rolan_Kraps/HKP7M8105809002.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk200/Rolan_Kraps/HKP7M8105809001.jpg

MatGlock
12-18-2009, 18:36
I got a P7 PSP from Top Gun Supply. Finish was not quite as good as I expected, but it shoots great and is growing on me fast.

CBennett
12-21-2009, 14:10
Just held one today for the first time and man its sweet! of all places it was at Gander Mountain they were asking $699..no idea what it came with or if its was a B or C grade..seemed pretty clean though. IF I ever get the money or can trade the Glock 23+9mm barrel for one its a done deal...and I dont get people complaining about its weight...its fine.

Rotorflyr
12-21-2009, 23:52
I picked up a grade A when CDNN still had them. I did actually have to send the slide into HK for serivce of the gas piston which was rattling around some (not a function issue, but it annoyed me) and they took care of it quickly and at no cost, other then what I paid to ship it to them.

It's the sweetest shooting 9mm I've ever fired and unlike some people, I don't find the lack of heat shield to be an issue. I can put 75-100rds thru it before it gets uncomfortable for me, and if I ever really have to use it, I won't be firing that many rounds....:supergrin:

LGS had one for $625 w/one mag (not sure of the grade) and Top Gun Supply seems to get them on a (semi) regular basis, so anyone looking for them might want to keep an eye on their site.

I'd like to get another one at some point and have one refinished (probably NP3) to keep as a "safe queen" and use the other as an occasional carry gun.

sports-shooter
12-27-2009, 16:29
There is so much great engineering that went into the P7. Its sad that HK does not make them anymore. I think they should resurrect the concepts that are in the P7 (like the very very low slide profile, the squeeze cock, gas-delayed BB) in to a new pistol using newer processes and new materials (polymer?).

I shoot best with my P7 compared to my other pistols.

jon_in_wv
01-02-2010, 08:54
Make sure you also digest what magazines are going to cost for your P7 too. I have 5 mags for mine and I paid 50-75 for each of them. The P7 is worth it thought. It is one of the best shooting and most reliable guns I've ever had.

Laserlips
01-02-2010, 10:37
[QUOTE=H&K 4 LIFE
The P7 European police trade-in's are graded on outside wear alone. The internals on most of those graded C are usually in very good shape.
[/QUOTE]



H&K 4 Life:

Respectfully I believe you have it backwards...

Everything I've ever read about the imported Lower Saxony Police P7's says these pistols were graded in Germany, prior to export, by H&K people, and that grading was based on INTERNAL wear, not EXTERNAL cosmetic wear.

I could be wrong, and if so I'll be happy to apologize. :dunno:

Best Wishes,

Jesse

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_8789.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_8649.jpg

jon_in_wv
01-02-2010, 11:36
That second pic is the reason I got my P7. I love it. Mine was a plum slide from CDNN. The internals had NO wear. I doubt it had been fired more than a handful of rounds. After my first outing I could definitely tell the difference on the internals from before it. Can't beat them. Safe and stone cold reliable.

Laserlips
01-02-2010, 13:06
That second pic is the reason I got my P7. I love it. Mine was a plum slide from CDNN. The internals had NO wear. I doubt it had been fired more than a handful of rounds. After my first outing I could definitely tell the difference on the internals from before it. Can't beat them. Safe and stone cold reliable.


FWIW:

I bought three A grade surplus LSP P7's from CDNN last year. One came absolutely new, the other two had minimal use, and had I not the first one to compare them to I'd have sworn they were unfired also.

Surprisingly, I was bright enough to buy 6 extra mags from CDNN when I bought the P7's, so I had 3 for each.

The first (the new one) had a slight "plum" tint to the slide, the 2nd a pronounced "Plum" tint, and the third was almost black.

Some folks don't care for the "plum" tinted slides, but I think it's neat, and a "bonus", and when I decided to sell one of my three a few months ago to finance a new HK P2000sk (V3) I sold the one with the black slide and kept the ones with the plum tinted slides.

Here's a close up of the one with the most pronounced plum tinted slide.

I love my remaining two P7's, but truthfully, for me, the P2000sk makes for a little better cc choice..

Best Wishes,

Jesse

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_8785_01.jpg

Kilo Sierra
01-02-2010, 14:30
H&K 4 Life:

Respectfully I believe you have it backwards...

Everything I've ever read about the imported Lower Saxony Police P7's says these pistols were graded in Germany, prior to export, by H&K people, and that grading was based on INTERNAL wear, not EXTERNAL cosmetic wear.

I could be wrong, and if so I'll be happy to apologize. :dunno:

Best Wishes,

Jesse

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_8789.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_8649.jpg

Any chance you could share info on the two holsters?

Tks,
ks

Laserlips
01-02-2010, 17:36
Any chance you could share info on the two holsters?
Tks,
ks



ks:

The tan holster is a DeSantis E1. The black holster is a Bianchi #5 Glock model.

Both are just holsters I had laying around, and I don't even remember what they were originally purchased for. The tan holster really isn't much good for P7 carry, as the top of the P7 is just too heavy and this holster doesn't offer any support in that area. Surprisingly, the Bianchi fits the P7 very well.

The only holster I bought specifically for the P7 is the FIST Kydex IWB (#1 clip) shown below. I'm a big fan of the ultra thin Kydex holsters of FIST holsters but truthfully I think the Kydex is just too harsh for daily use with a P7. Not sure the P7 finish can stand up to daily use in a Kydex holster.

For that reason when I wanted an iwb for my P2000sk V3 I bought another #1 clip on iwb from FIST, but bought the leather version. I like the leather version better.

FIST makes very good holsters, Kydex for those pistols/revolvers w/strong finishes, Leather for those which might benefit from a less harsh surface.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_1239.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_9436-1-1.jpg

Kilo Sierra
01-02-2010, 19:11
I appreciate your taking the time to answer with detail.

I'll take a look at the FIST line.

I keep using other stuff...Glock and 1911, but I keep coming back to the P7.

Thanks again,
Kelley

Laserlips
01-02-2010, 20:29
I'll take a look at the FIST line.



KS,

I think you'll find the FIST line is pretty good stuff.. The prices are very reasonable, I think either the Kydex or leather holsters as shown were only around $40 + shipping..

I really like the quality and appearance of the FIST leather holsters.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

H&K 4 LIFE
01-03-2010, 06:58
H&K 4 Life:

Respectfully I believe you have it backwards...

Everything I've ever read about the imported Lower Saxony Police P7's says these pistols were graded in Germany, prior to export, by H&K people, and that grading was based on INTERNAL wear, not EXTERNAL cosmetic wear.

I could be wrong, and if so I'll be happy to apologize.


Your not wrong either, I have heard they are graded both ways (internal/external wear).

Regardless of how they are graded the internal wear on all the different grades right down to the C's is usually very minimal. The outer wear, which is more apparent, does increase the lower the grade goes.

Given the price and condition I think all of the grades, including the C's, are great buys. :)

Laserlips
01-03-2010, 07:45
[QUOTE=H&K 4 LIFE;14468362]Your not wrong either, I have heard they are graded both ways (internal/external wear).
QUOTE]


H&K,

We might have a definitive answer soon.

Last Thursday I rode over to Ft.Benning with my buddy to take his daughter some furniture (her husbands in the Army, just back from the sand pile) and when we passed the H&K import/repair facility there in Columbus I wrote a note asking this very question about how surplus HK's are graded, wrapped it in a brick, and tossed it over the razorwire fence.

Since I included my email address I'm sure someone will get back to me.

Hopefully not the FBI.. :whistling:

As I mentioned, I still have two LSP P7's +7 mags, so I'm good to go. :supergrin:

Best Wishes,

Jesse

Waffen Monk
01-03-2010, 11:54
Ordered a p7 grade b that I should be able to pickup around tuesday, now I just hope I don't need to get a grade c for everyday carry :embarassed:

Laserlips
01-03-2010, 12:54
Ordered a p7 grade b that I should be able to pickup around tuesday, now I just hope I don't need to get a grade c for everyday carry :embarassed:


WM:

I wouldn't worry too much... I've read lots of posts from folks who have purchased these surplus Lower Saxony Police P7's and it's extremely seldom to find a disgruntled buyer..

From all I've seen and read the vast majority of these P7's were little used, and carefully maintained... The Germans are known for such (good) details, and I'm betting you'll be very pleased with the P7 that shows up.

Please let us know how it works out for you.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

Waffen Monk
01-03-2010, 14:35
WM:

I wouldn't worry too much... I've read lots of posts from folks who have purchased these surplus Lower Saxony Police P7's and it's extremely seldom to find a disgruntled buyer..

From all I've seen and read the vast majority of these P7's were little used, and carefully maintained... The Germans are known for such (good) details, and I'm betting you'll be very pleased with the P7 that shows up.

Please let us know how it works out for you.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

I'm sorry I think you misunderstood me, I may want to keep the grade b as a safe queen and pick up a grade c as a beater for everyday carry...I have done tons of research on the police trade-in P7's (and the P7 in general) and am in no way concerned about how this pistol will preform(it's an HK right). I am however affaid I may like it to much and need another!

Your Friend,
Greig

kahrcarrier
01-24-2010, 10:09
I got a P7 PSP from Top Gun Supply. Finish was not quite as good as I expected, but it shoots great and is growing on me fast.



I also got mine from Top Gun Supply.

Finish was about what I expected. Noticeable wear, but nothing I cannot live with................... I really like the pistol.

I got mine year before last. Do you remember what "grade" you ordered?

husmann
01-26-2010, 20:28
I bought a P7 at a gun show about a month ago. Some external wear to give it character. No big deal. Love the gun, and it will be one of my carry guns. Extremely accurate. Bought an IWB holster from UBG Holsters and an OWB holster from Don Hume for it.