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GoonGlock21
12-14-2009, 19:25
Im looking for the best self defense loads for my g21, im not so worried about the cost as these will only be for carring and sparly shot. im more concerned with reliabilty and the putem down factor.
Thanx Goon

Scared_of_zombies
12-14-2009, 19:28
ranger t's.

crash09
12-14-2009, 19:29
Im looking for the best self defense loads for my g21, im not so worried about the cost as these will only be for carring and sparly shot. im more concerned with reliabilty and the putem down factor.
Thanx Goon

I've always been partial to the Remington Golden Sabers in .45 acp. They feed in most of my 1911s even if other JHP won't.

GunQuest
12-14-2009, 19:31
Federal HST 230 gr

Commander Keen
12-14-2009, 19:31
Personal preferences of mine are 230 gr Speer Gold Dots, and 185 gr+p Cor•Bon DPX loads. To each his own though.
Also, let the ammo war begin!

hambone33
12-14-2009, 19:34
185gr gold dot pushed +p

MarcoPolo
12-14-2009, 19:35
Im looking for the best self defense loads for my g21, im not so worried about the cost as these will only be for carring and sparly shot. im more concerned with reliabilty and the putem down factor.
Thanx Goon

Another vote for SGD 230gr

If reliability is a concern (and is should be THE concern in a carry round) make sure you run at least a box of these through your Glock to ensure it feeds well. (That's a minimum, I'd recommend more rounds in other platforms, but the Glock tends to feed extremely reliably).

Just my .02

nickoglock1
12-14-2009, 19:43
Federal HST 230 gr



this +10000

AK47Man
12-14-2009, 19:52
Ranger 230gr +P T or SXT. Federal 230gr +P HST. Like them both and they both shoot excellent out of my G21SF and G30.

crash_gsxr750
12-14-2009, 20:06
230 grain
Fed HST's
Speer Gold Dot

either way its a big ole chunk, i did have a HST open to 1" dia in water though, WOW its big

GIockGuy24
12-14-2009, 20:16
The Remington Golden Sabers are the most reliably feeding 45 ACP JHP's. The FBI seems to like them in 45 ACP too.

glock2740
12-14-2009, 20:22
200+P Gold Dots.

bluejdixon
12-14-2009, 20:29
Caliber Corner (http://glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=31)
Caliber Corner is a forum for the discussion of all of the various types of ammunition out there. If you have a question about the merits of a particular brand/type of ammo, this is the place to post it.

SIGShooter
12-14-2009, 21:09
Caliber Corner (http://glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=31)
Caliber Corner is a forum for the discussion of all of the various types of ammunition out there. If you have a question about the merits of a particular brand/type of ammo, this is the place to post it.


Technically, you are right. However, it is a GLOCK specific question.

So, posting here in the GENERAL GLOCKING forum is a good place for it.

You should probably answer that phone...:wavey:

OP:

Winchester Ranger 230 Gr. T-Series
Winchester Ranger 230 Gr. Bonded
Hornady TAP CQ 230 Gr.
Winchester White Box 230 Gr. FMJ

Those are my choices.

dakrat
12-14-2009, 21:13
if I can find some HST in 45 acp around here that would be my first choice. 230 gr golden sabers will do for now. the saber is a sexy round :)

Bowtie
12-14-2009, 21:13
Federal tactical HST 230 +P

bluejdixon
12-14-2009, 21:37
Technically, you are right. However, it is a GLOCK specific question.

So, posting here in the GENERAL GLOCKING forum is a good place for it.

You should probably answer that phone...:wavey:

If his question is for reliability in his Glock 21, it can only be answered by testing his firearm with a variety of ammunition recommended here.

The question now becomes ammunition reliability and ballistics, which would be better suited in the Caliber Corner forum.

I was not posting because I felt the need to be condescending. I was posting to make him aware of this sub forum, being that he has 6 posts and could be new. I apologize if this was how you took it.

"Cold Dead Hands" !
12-14-2009, 22:31
All of the rounds mentioned are very good, and street prooven choices.
That said, this...
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=95&osCsid=3iecg5uvljl2els8gmftsfq8q0
230gr. Double Tap Ammo bullet does a incredible 1,010 FPS.
It is a bonded Speer Gold Dot bullet, pushed to highest velocity.
It will put the most energy onto the target, 510 FT/LBS !
http://ruthlessreviews.com/pics3/bronsonrip1.jpg (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTb_iOEydL6lYAVGujzbkF/SIG=124du1lo1/EXP=1260938510/**http%3A//ruthlessreviews.com/pics3/bronsonrip1.jpg)
"Nothings too good for our friends" !

HWA GLOCKER
12-14-2009, 22:39
230gr HST's all day :wow:

Discobobby
12-14-2009, 22:51
Where are you guys finding Federal HSTs? All the usual places are sold out. :(

ronin.45
12-14-2009, 22:57
POW'R BALL

Feeds in anything and expands completely 100% of the time.

It's better than the stinkeye:wow: of an Italian grandmother:supergrin:

3rdgen40
12-14-2009, 23:12
Ibtl.......

HWA GLOCKER
12-15-2009, 00:01
POW'R BALL

Feeds in anything and expands completely 100% of the time.

It's better than the stinkeye:wow: of an Italian grandmother:supergrin:
I think POW'R BALL is junk for a carry round :tongueout: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://frag.110mb.com/images/Fed.HST.P9HST2/P9HST2_Comp.jpg&imgrefurl=http://frag.110mb.com/&h=684&w=2000&sz=156&tbnid=U2-AP-v2aOVRQM:&tbnh=51&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfederal%2Bhst&hl=en&usg=__nhh36iIBED3EgcQslqXyeDIiMyI=&ei=5SUnS6maMZDFlAfBmf2aDQ&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=7&ct=image&ved=0CC4Q9QEwBg

MTS532
12-15-2009, 04:49
Im looking for the best self defense loads for my g21, im not so worried about the cost as these will only be for carring and sparly shot. im more concerned with reliabilty and the putem down factor.
Thanx Goon

Not sure what a "putem down factor" is, but pick one of these which functions best in your gun and practice as much as you can afford.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887

.45 ACP:
Barnes XPB 160 & 185 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal HST 230 gr JHP (P45HST2)
Federal HST 230 gr +P JHP (P45HST1)
Federal Tactical 230 gr JHP (LE45T1)
Speer Gold Dot 230 gr JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr JHP (RA45T)
Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr +P JHP (RA45TP)

OKCShooter
12-15-2009, 08:13
Im looking for the best self defense loads for my g21, im not so worried about the cost as these will only be for carring and sparly shot. im more concerned with reliabilty and the putem down factor.
Thanx Goon

I 'sparly' a cross between sparingly and barely? I love new words.

Cineski
12-15-2009, 08:31
FMJ in 45 does just fine, but I use Federal HST's.

cowboywannabe
12-15-2009, 08:45
in a full sized .45acp i have no problem with any major brand 230gr. H.P. standard pressure loading.

crash09
12-15-2009, 08:54
Just saw that Hornady is expanding their Critical Defense line to include .45 acp. I may have to run a few boxes of those through my Colt. They feed very well in all of my 9mms.

SagKC
12-15-2009, 09:01
Winchester Ranger-T RA45T for me...clean and consistent.

2C1H
12-15-2009, 09:45
HST's hands down. There are plenty of reports to back this up. http://le.atk.com/general/irl/woundballistics.aspx

Since I can't find them anywhere, I went with Winchester bonded PDX1 230 gr. (good enough for the FBI)

Third would be Gold dots from Double tap ammo.

azdick
12-15-2009, 12:52
Speer Gold Dot 230's and Speer Lawman 230's for range ammo. The Lawman 230's are designed to match the recoil and POA of the GD's for a lot less $$. This combo has worked flawlessly in both my 21 and 30. The cor-bon dpx is supposed to be the most accurate, but I haven't been able to get my hands on any yet.

Gabby
12-15-2009, 13:33
230 gr ball (Winchester White Box) feeds reliably, allows quick recovery for a second shot, and will poke holes in heavy winter clothing, something some JHP's may have a problem with.

ROOFTOP-SPECIAL
12-15-2009, 13:42
230 gr ball (Winchester White Box) feeds reliably, allows quick recovery for a second shot, and will poke holes in heavy winter clothing, something some JHP's may have a problem with.

Not in 45, especially if you're shooting a bonded hollow point such at Gold Dots, etc.

I have heard of people carrying FMJ's in the winter if they are carrying a .380 but 45 would'nt have a problem with winter clothing.

LEAD
12-15-2009, 13:46
POW'R BALL

Feeds in anything and expands completely 100% of the time.

It's better than the stinkeye:wow: of an Italian grandmother:supergrin:

Maybe it'll feed in anything, but it has a hard time keeping its jacket.
For Cor-Bon stick to the non-gimmick rounds and you'll be good.

I like corbon DPX, CCI speer gold dot, Federal HSTs and Winchester Ranger Ts. The OPs g21 wont have problems with any of these, as mine dosn't.

GunFighter45ACP
12-15-2009, 13:55
currently, my .45s are loaded w/Hornady TAP 230gr +Ps

allen.m
12-15-2009, 13:56
Where can you find 230gr HST's, I have looked with no luck at all

Bowtie
12-15-2009, 13:59
Where can you find 230gr HST's, I have looked with no luck at all

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/index.php/cName/45-acp-hollow-point-ammo

Edit: They are out of 230 HST

GoonGlock21
12-15-2009, 17:42
Thanks for all the help fellas. i got some gold dot +p 230gr and some dpx +p 185 gr
going to run some through the 21 and see how it goes. sorry to all you english teachers, next time i will get a dictionary
Thanx Goon

fredj338
12-15-2009, 18:35
There are few poor choices in JHP fo rthe 45acp. What ever you decide, you MUST test them in YOUR pistol. Regardless of what anyone tells you works for them, it must work in your pistol. I suggest a minimum of one 25rd box of each brand you can find. If they all go bang from all your full carry mags, then they should be good to go. If you have three carry mags, then buy more ammo. It must be 1005 reliable or the "best performing" JHP means nothing.

High_Sierra
12-15-2009, 18:39
Federal HST 230gr +p is what I feed my Glock. The HSTs are by far one of the best rounds I ever tested and my Glock 21 eats them like candy.

I have about 200 rounds of it left from when it actually was available, but it is next to impossible to find these days.

mastrbloata
12-15-2009, 18:46
Where are you guys finding Federal HSTs? All the usual places are sold out. :( I get mine when I get into my time machine and go back to the day before Mr. Obama got elected, walk into my favorite store and grab as many 50 packs as I can carry from the open container on the counter marked "26.99 each", pay for them and walk back out to the time machine and return to the present.

Coffee Dog
12-15-2009, 19:02
I get mine when I get into my time machine and go back to the day before Mr. Obama got elected, walk into my favorite store and grab as many 50 packs as I can carry from the open container on the counter marked "26.99 each", pay for them and walk back out to the time machine and return to the present.





I like your time machine!:wavey:

beforeobamabans
12-15-2009, 19:30
Ranger 230gr +P T or SXT. Federal 230gr +P HST. Like them both and they both shoot excellent out of my G21SF and G30.
:number1: Ranger-T and HST are the newest gen JHP and awesomely effective. Gold Dot and Golden Saber are a generation behind.

Coffee Dog
12-15-2009, 19:42
Corbon 185+p-JHP has a velocity of 1150fps & muzzle energy of 543fp!

It certainly will get someone's attention!

ronin.45
12-15-2009, 20:59
Why is everyone concerned about the Pow'r ball shedding its jacket?
I'm not gonna reload it. It is about the only round that has to open up. No hoping it doesn't clog with clothing. No hoping that your first stage of expansion is good enough for your talons to spread out. It employs one smooth gauranteed mechanical action. It brings all the benefits of a ballistic tip varmint bullet into the defensive realm. Including devastating trauma to the target. I have killed several things with the pow'r balls and believe me it does one heck of a job. I'll trade a few grains of recovered weight and a few inches of penetration for absolute reliability of feeding and expansion, coupled with immense power.

DRT
12-15-2009, 21:11
:number1: Ranger-T and HST are the newest gen JHP and awesomely effective. Gold Dot and Golden Saber are a generation behind.

While I agree that HST and Ranger T series are top of the line, you better get ready for an onslaught of flames from the Gold Dot lovers. They are a cantankerous bunch.....:supergrin:

hambone33
12-16-2009, 13:37
All of the rounds mentioned are very good, and street prooven choices.
That said, this...
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=95&osCsid=3iecg5uvljl2els8gmftsfq8q0
230gr. Double Tap Ammo bullet does a incredible 1,010 FPS.
It is a bonded Speer Gold Dot bullet, pushed to highest velocity.
It will put the most energy onto the target, 510 FT/LBS !
http://ruthlessreviews.com/pics3/bronsonrip1.jpg (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTb_iOEydL6lYAVGujzbkF/SIG=124du1lo1/EXP=1260938510/**http%3A//ruthlessreviews.com/pics3/bronsonrip1.jpg)
"Nothings too good for our friends" !

Meh . Double tapp says their bonded 185 does 100 ftlbs more than that .

Bowtie
12-16-2009, 13:47
All of the rounds mentioned are very good, and street prooven choices.
That said, this...
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=95&osCsid=3iecg5uvljl2els8gmftsfq8q0
230gr. Double Tap Ammo bullet does a incredible 1,010 FPS.
It is a bonded Speer Gold Dot bullet, pushed to highest velocity.
It will put the most energy onto the target, 510 FT/LBS !
http://ruthlessreviews.com/pics3/bronsonrip1.jpg (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTb_iOEydL6lYAVGujzbkF/SIG=124du1lo1/EXP=1260938510/**http%3A//ruthlessreviews.com/pics3/bronsonrip1.jpg)
"Nothings too good for our friends" !

Several members here have Chrono'd DT ammo and could not pull the Number DT advertised.

TheChosenOne
12-16-2009, 22:39
HST's hands down. There are plenty of reports to back this up. http://le.atk.com/general/irl/woundballistics.aspx


Not to cause controversy, but where does HST win hands down among all of that data? It looks like a good round but I doubt it will melt the innards of anyone it touches.

buckshotshorty
12-17-2009, 16:39
Federal HST 230 gr

My carry! In this:

http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s360/cantshoot4crap/RugerP345.jpg


or this:

http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s360/cantshoot4crap/G-36a.jpg

.

Neal
12-17-2009, 17:02
Where are you guys finding Federal HSTs? All the usual places are sold out. :(

Same here. Can't find any. :(

GoonGlock21
12-17-2009, 21:01
Thanx for all the help fellas. I think just about any 45 hollow point in someones chest cavitiy will stop them with my dvd player. so its all good !
Thanx Goon

hambone33
12-18-2009, 09:27
:number1: Ranger-T and HST are the newest gen JHP and awesomely effective. Gold Dot and Golden Saber are a generation behind.

I'll just stick with my ole dusty trusty gold dots . A generation old can of whupazz is better than no whupazz at all .:tongueout:

Bowtie
12-18-2009, 13:46
Thanx for all the help fellas. I think just about any 45 hollow point in someones chest cavitiy will stop them with my dvd player. so its all good !
Thanx Goon

You would put a hole in somebody for trying to run off with your DVD player?

GoonGlock21
12-18-2009, 14:52
Only if they were close friend or family LOL

RMTactical
12-18-2009, 15:52
I think it is pretty tough to find a bad load in .45ACP. However, I plan on doing some of my own personal testing. I will post results on here then.

ssgrock3
01-09-2010, 13:55
golddots are niiiiice!

82ndVet
01-09-2010, 20:37
sparly shot.
Several different types out there that are reliable, but my recommendation is choose 2 or 3 quality brands, buy 150-200 rounds of each, and go to an outdoor range and run your own ballistic tests. Take jugs of water, wet phonebooks, old heavy clothing, wood, ect. Test each type the same, then make your decision. But probably the most important factor, don't run a mag or two of one type at the range and call it a day. You need to run AT LEAST 150 rounds of a particular type of SD ammo, before you can comfortably call it 'Your Self Defense Ammo'. Make sure your weapon enjoys eating it, and there are no feeding issues, inconsistencies, ect, ect. After you do all that, then you can wisely choose your poison.:cool:

GoonGlock21
01-10-2010, 00:13
Several different types out there that are reliable, but my recommendation is choose 2 or 3 quality brands, buy 150-200 rounds of each, and go to an outdoor range and run your own ballistic tests. Take jugs of water, wet phonebooks, old heavy clothing, wood, ect. Test each type the same, then make your decision. But probably the most important factor, don't run a mag or two of one type at the range and call it a day. You need to run AT LEAST 150 rounds of a particular type of SD ammo, before you can comfortably call it 'Your Self Defense Ammo'. Make sure your weapon enjoys eating it, and there are no feeding issues, inconsistencies, ect, ect. After you do all that, then you can wisely choose your poison.:cool:
Sorry poor choice of words simply meant i would not go out and shoot 200 rounds of this ammo weekly i will test these suggetions then shoot it time to time, just to be comfortable with it

NEOH212
01-10-2010, 00:18
:yawn:... Once again, any of the modern JHP ammo will suffice.


Enough said.

MountainPacker
01-11-2010, 14:25
You just opened a can of worms.

Here's my 2 cents.

The loads most commonly revered are:

Federal HST
Speer Gold Dot


Other loads commonly loved are:

Winchester Ranger T
Corbon DPX
Remington Golden Saber


Personally, I carry 230gr. Speer Gold Dot, but am thinking about switching to HST, if I could ever find enough to test. It really doesn't matter. You're shooting a big bullet that will probably expand with any of these. Hair splitting 0.5 inches of penetration versus .06 inches of expansion is silly.

By the way, if you have feed issues with wide mouth hollow points, Golden Sabers may work well for you because of their round profile and small mouth.

mclaren
01-11-2010, 16:17
I carry 200gr +P Gold dots right now. I'm a big fan of any weight TAPs or XTPs (same bullet) they have fad and fired great through my 1911. I tried a box of 185gr +p Golden Sabres when i was on my light for caliber kick. They were reliable but the muzzle flash was excessive and the jacket liked to detatch from the core pretty often.
The XTP really impressed me as a controlled expansion bullet. It never "lost it's cool" through any medium. Always expanded, always penetrated, very consistant. I carry these in .357 sig, 124 and 147 grain. I also load 240 grain XTPs in .44 mag. You can never go wrong with these.
I carry the Gold Dots now in the 1911 because they feed and shoot well. They are bonded and loaded nice and spicey.