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DoctaGlockta
12-19-2009, 15:49
I'm going to begin reloading 7.62X39 soon and have looked about the internets to see what I can find for others that works.

I have read that Ramshot TAC will work and won't work well with this caliber. I would love to know if any here have reloaded 7.62 here. I would like to use my TAC. I have also read that 308 bullets will work. I currently have some 150g FMJ 308 Hornady bullets.

Would love to use the same powder to eventually reload for 308 too.

As a side note I have read that some folks have used Unique powder for various rifle cartridges. This sounds strange to me.

Thanks in advance gentlemen.

Art

shotgunred
12-19-2009, 16:35
7.62x39 is .310 caliber not .308.

I have loading data for h355, h332 BLC-2 in 7.62x39
but no tac off hand, But I have never considered reloading it myself. what is the price difference between wolf and reloads?

DoctaGlockta
12-19-2009, 17:40
7.62x39 is .310 caliber not .308.

I have loading data for h355, h332 BLC-2 in 7.62x39
but no tac off hand, But I have never considered reloading it myself. what is the price difference between wolf and reloads?
Thanks Red. I know I can buy Wolf cheaper but I'd like the ability to reload if I ever needed to. Plus one of the indoor ranges I use only allows brass.

These guys seem to think one can shoot 308 bullets in a 311 caliber barrel but accuracy might suffer.

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Story_C/The+7.62X39?packedargs=pagenum%3D2

DaveCharlie09
12-19-2009, 17:44
I beleive it is actually .311, due to the fact that the machines used to create the Avtomat Kalishnikova, are the same one used to produce the barrel were the same as used for the 7.62X54Russian cartridge.

wiskeyVI
12-19-2009, 19:22
If you can find the Surplus Rifle site with the SKS info, there was a guy a few years back that found a good cast boolit set up to reload with.
I would like to do the same in the future.

shotgunred
12-19-2009, 20:54
A 308 bullet will go down a 310 barrel because its smaller. The question is how it will affect accuracy? I don't know.
Hornady make the right bullet but it is $530 for 2800 of them or 20 cents each.

http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=278|281|293|324|696

chewybaca67
12-20-2009, 00:19
It has been said that "some" Ruger mini-30s are in 308 cal. I believe all Eastern block countries are 310 cal. I down to my last 90s era pulled gunshow .310 bullets that I got for a rediculous price back in the day. Bought .311 casting mold I been wantin' try out once my pulled stuff is gone. The few Wolf hps K's I got are just for stashin'.

steve4102
12-20-2009, 06:30
What rifle are you loading these for. It's true, the Ruger Mini-30 was originally a .308 bore with a tapered throat to allow for both .308 and .310 dia bullets. They changed to the larger bore in about 1994. There are a lot of CZ Carbine shooters are having very good luck with .308 bullets, while the SKS guys, not so much.

I load for a Ruger Mini-30 with a .308 bore, so I have no first hand knowledge using the .310-.311 bullets. That said, I have loaded just about every bullet weight and powder combo you can think of. From 100gr to 180gr, from Blue Dot to Tac.

I can tell you that Tac is to slow for the 7.62x39, you can't get enough into the case to produce acceptable velocities. I wish Tac would work, I have a bunch, but it just isn't a good match. With a 150gr Hornady FMJ I would start out with H-322 or N-130. I have found these two powders to produce great accuracy and pretty good velocities with the heavier bullets. These will be compressed loads. H-4198 also works well for me and is not as heavily compressed. For lighter bullets 125gr or less I like AA 1680, R-7, AA 2015 and H-4198.

My accuracy choice for bullets are 110gr VMax, 125gr Sierra PH, 125gr Nosler BT, 135gr Sierra SSP and 150gr Hornady 30-30 RN. If I had to pick one powder for the 7.62x39 for both heavy and light I would go with H-322.

http://www.accuratereloading.com/76239.html

DoctaGlockta
12-20-2009, 08:38
What rifle are you loading these for. It's true, the Ruger Mini-30 was originally a .308 bore with a tapered throat to allow for both .308 and .310 dia bullets. They changed to the larger bore in about 1994. There are a lot of CZ Carbine shooters are having very good luck with .308 bullets, while the SKS guys, not so much.

I load for a Ruger Mini-30 with a .308 bore, so I have no first hand knowledge using the .310-.311 bullets. That said, I have loaded just about every bullet weight and powder combo you can think of. From 100gr to 180gr, from Blue Dot to Tac.

I can tell you that Tac is to slow for the 7.62x39, you can't get enough into the case to produce acceptable velocities. I wish Tac would work, I have a bunch, but it just isn't a good match. With a 150gr Hornady FMJ I would start out with H-322 or N-130. I have found these two powders to produce great accuracy and pretty good velocities with the heavier bullets. These will be compressed loads. H-4198 also works well for me and is not as heavily compressed. For lighter bullets 125gr or less I like AA 1680, R-7, AA 2015 and H-4198.

My accuracy choice for bullets are 110gr VMax, 125gr Sierra PH, 125gr Nosler BT, 135gr Sierra SSP and 150gr Hornady 30-30 RN. If I had to pick one powder for the 7.62x39 for both heavy and light I would go with H-322.

http://www.accuratereloading.com/76239.html

Thanks Steve. Loading for a AMD-65. I just bought a keg of 322 last night from Powder Valley. I'm hoping between TAC and 322 I can load for various rifle calibers (223, 7.62, 308, 30-06) and bullet weights.

CTSixshot
12-20-2009, 10:48
Most of my 7.62x39 reloads are over 24.0-25.0 grains of IMR4198. Generally, I stick with the readily available Hornady #3147 .310 FMJ. As a lead-free alternative, I've loaded the SinterFire SF7.62X39-123 NTP.

The following is the only data I have readily available (I know I've clocked other loads, but I can't find it right now). Yugo SKS (stock). Assorted berdan-primed brass and steel cases:
SinterFire SF7.62X39-123 NTP<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p> </o:p>20.5 g H4198 PMC LRB 2.20”
1705 1714 1712 1693 1714 Average velocity: 1707 Full function

http://frangibleammo.com/product/7d7a8a91-955e-4acb-a37f-b6d2d6ef4a7e.aspx This bullet is much longer than the usual 123gr FMJ.

You can argue that it isn't cost-effective to bother reloading 7.62x39, but you can still do it. Where else can you get cast bullet loads for your SKS if you want to use it for a silhouette match? The 130 gr. Lyman 311410 http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/bullet-casting/mould-details-rifles.php?entryID=45 makes a great cast bullet for 39 loads. Turn off the gas port on your Yugo and shoot some mousefart loads, if you really want to shoot on a budget! (As of yet, I haven't done much testing for function in semi-auto mode, but many may not want to shoot cast loads in a gas gun.)

This bullet drops at ~.314" so you can size it for light 54R, 7.7 Jap, 303 Brit and others, too. That's where the small pistol powder loads make for much shooting on very little powder. I know this must irritate you guys that like the big bang and all...

nnickatnight
12-20-2009, 11:56
Reloading that caliber probably isn't cost effective right now but it would be worth knowing how to do it and having components on hand should importation of the cheap Russian stuff cease. Get a good reloading manual and follow it to the letter, I'd suggest the Lyman Handbook. Without copying the whole thing down here bullets used in the manual were Sierra HP #2110 110 grain, Hornady SP #3140 123 grain (.310), and Hornady SP #3020 130 grain. Powders vary depending on bullet weight but IMR 4227 and H-335 achieved the best performance with factory bullets. The best performance was with the 110 grain and 130 grain bullets by the way. I won't go into casting bullet info as I don't do it and see no reason with factory standards being what they are and the fact that I always keep back up components in air tight and water tight containers in case things got ugly.

steve4102
12-22-2009, 02:00
BTW, Lyman 48 used a universal receiver with a .310 bore. The Sierra HP #2110 110gr and the Hornady SP 130gr #3020 used in their data are both .308 dia bullets.

390ish
12-24-2009, 15:52
go and get an 8lb jug of AA160. best powder out there for the round. it was designed for the round.

Rick from Kali
12-25-2009, 08:12
http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/product_test/review-34.shtml AA1680

http://www.goldenwestbrass.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=14

xdmikey
12-26-2009, 05:56
i got my .310s from golden west bullets-very fast shipping!
+1 on the 1680, but it's not stocked in houston that i know of.

DoctaGlockta
01-28-2010, 11:55
Well I finally got to load some rounds and take them to the range. I used Fiocchi brass primed with a Remington LR primer. I used a 150g Hornady FMJ 308 bullet underneath 27grains of H322. Loaded to an OAL of 2.19. It was a slightly compressed load and I noted no bullet creep. I did not crimp the loads with my Lee FCD. Just seated to depth. All rounds fed and fired and I was pleased with the accuracy. Did notice the cases flew quite a distance away and of course forward into the shooting area. Fortunately there was no one else in the bay when I finished and the range office helped me grab the fired brass. It was still in great shape with no noted damage or weakening. I consider today a success. Thanks for all your input gentlemen.

hoffy
01-28-2010, 12:17
I have a set of Hornady, dies or they may still may have been called Pacific when I bought them back in the 80s. They came with two expander balls, one for >308 bullets, the other for .310,.311. I have shot many .308 bullets in Mosin Nagants, but most of mine are from Finland, and some of those have a .308-309 bore, to know for sure you have to slug them. Anyway most of my Finns will drive tacks, some are spectacular. Hornady and probably Lapu*****$ have bullets and you should look at Widners in Tennessee. 150 is on the heavy side for x39, but I havent looked at any data, but will. I have a Mosin that I worked up a cast load using 150 grain gas checked bullet that shoots well with unique, but i use a filler and at 100 yards I have to jack the rear sight about half way up. Also-for best results using cast all traces of copper should be removed from bore to prevent leading, this means scary strong ammonia solvent, but it works. I even got a G-21 to shoot wheel weight cast bullets by removing the copper and burnishing with hoppes moly paste, 700 midrange 170gr rounds and no leading. Tried it with other Glocks to no avail, I wander. The powders suggested above sound reasonable, I think I used BLC-2. There is load data,com, costs 30-40 $ a year but tons of loads for just about anything. You can order an expander button to fit the bullets you are using from the manufacture, or maybe try Huntingtons. I have a Lyman expander die set that has inserts for many different calibers meant just for cast loads, can put a powder measure on top of it. Good luck.