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Glock30 Guy
12-24-2009, 05:12
I was at their web site looking into the 4 day Defensive Handgun class. Anyone else take this class? It seems like the $2000 price is very high compared to some other places I've looked into. Is it worth $2000 + hotel + air + ammo?? :wow:

Gallium
12-24-2009, 06:40
Hi,

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w8tn4u
12-24-2009, 10:20
buy a voucher off of ebay for $150 and save some money. Voucher is good for you to go one time . You will receive good training but you will also have to sit through their "time share" sales pitch. My wife and I went and joined and now we go back and do the refresher courses. I also built a indoor range in my barn with a timed rotating target and a doorway so I can practice what I was taught.

MilitantBEEMER
12-24-2009, 11:31
I am going to buy one of the certificates off of ebay and go this spring. For $150 plus ammo and travel expenses, I think it will be well worth it. I do not mine sitting through a time share session for the quality 4 day training I have read about.

Glock30 Guy
12-24-2009, 11:53
So you get the same 4 day course for $150? And you just have to sit through a time share plug? Sounds much better than $2000. Thanks

Bashful
12-24-2009, 14:37
And actually the membership plug is optional and lasts for about an hour (you get it during your lunch break in the classroom).

Get the certificate off of ebay and go have some fun!

MQ79
01-01-2010, 02:34
It's definately well worth it. Your not going to find better training anywhere for the price of one of the certificates.

I learned a lot there, and would have signed up for one of their membership packages if I only lived closer.

Mike Havas
01-02-2010, 01:14
Hardly anyone pays the full "list price". There are usually deals , promotions, and the afore mentioned certificates or vouchers to be had. I've still got my last 4 or 5 grey certs with no real use for them. I have sold some in the past to members on this board for $100 per cert, and I'll do that untill I run out. When I would get a check or money order, the certs would go out in the next day's first class mail...Never had a problem or complaint.

I did work there from 2000 to mid-2003 and left on good terms for an oppertunity to move to Middle America. Having trained both at Front Sight and elsewhere, I feel qualified to say that there four day courses do give you a solid footing to continue training there or elsewhere. There is enough range activity balanced with well thoughtout lectures to ensure everyone goes home tired and thinking at the end of four days. That is often repeted in the after course reviews you'll find on this board. There are people and organizations with thier axes to grind against the school, but I can't recall any of dramma and controversies spilling out onto the range affecting the professionalism of the staff, which are mostly independent contractors, like I was.

Many people seem to get 100% wrapped up in high round counts, and outragously advanced range drills promised by some trainers. Without very well engrained fundamentals, the "running ang gunning", shooting out speeding vehicles and such is a waste of ammo at best , dangerous at worst!

There are plenty of good trainers, both private and public teaching in all parts of the country. Just about anyone should be able to find quality training to fit in price / location / schedule. Many trainers do road shows, and any of the good ones will be able to refer you to a qualified instructor in your area, if they can't service your needs. Even a short time with a qualified instructor will put you leaps and bounds ahead of the majority of the gun owning public.

mikenearman
01-02-2010, 13:15
I have had a lot of training, but Front Sight topped them all with the 5 day defensive handgun course. I went for free under the sponsorship of a member. I suggest going in the winter as it is hot as hell anytime else.

fredj338
01-03-2010, 13:43
Iwent to the 2day basic for $100. Worth the $100, but as a shooter & NRA instructor, it is a very beginner class. The 4day is basically an extended 2day. Worth $200, sure, $2000, nope. I would go to the 2day basic, then the 2day skill builder then 2day tactical. It will worth your time & on vouvhers, certainly worth the money.

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01-03-2010, 18:49
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Mike Havas
01-03-2010, 19:37
I agree that the first two days are pretty basic, but that is not all bad. Especially if you trying to learn something new, or unlearn old habits. The first couple days are the primer for the fun stuff on days three and four.
Principals of tactics, exposure to time pressure, shoot / no-shoot decisions,
multiple targets, hostage rescue, man-on-man competition, some senario based shooting, low light and night shoot, and the final day is all done from concealment. You kinda pay your dues on the first half of the course and have your fun on the last half. I always felt that the people that only took the two day courses cut themselves short, and really miss the larger goal of the curriculum.

Mystery Meat
01-04-2010, 12:39
Buy a certificate for the four day class on ebay or elsewhere. I found it worthwhile and a lot of fun. They play their sales pitch membership video during one of the lunch hour periods. You don't have to watch it, it's okay to leave. I thought the video was kind of corny, pictures of guys shooting from helicopters, celebrities coming in stretch limos for private training, etc. But that's a marketing decision by the Front Sight management; if they weren't successful at their marketing presumably they would try something else. Some of their business practices seem questionable to me, and they got their hands slapped big time by that class action suit. But life goes on. If people stop buying memberships and attending the trainings, FS will go out of business. But the core training is very good, IMO. The instructors were competent. I became quite good at clearing misfeeds and my technique was much improved by day four. The four day defensive handgun (or two day class) is a good way to get pointed in the right direction and learn how and what you need to practice. More advanced classes are available. I don't know what they are charging now, but last year you could buy a relatively low cost membership (under 2k) that would allow you to take various handgun and rifle classes as often as you like, for life. I don't get all the Front Sight slamming. I took the good parts and disregarded the rest.

1badasshog
01-09-2010, 07:10
Well worth it!! Just went last month and even though the weather sucked... it was excellent training. I am a former Marine and the training was top notch. You should be able to find a better deal than $2000.

MDLibertarian
03-14-2010, 16:26
What's the instructor-to-student ratio for the 4-day defensive handgun course? Being quite inexperienced with shooting hand guns in general, much less defensive uses of handguns, I would prefer as low a ratio as possible to get more interaction with the instructors. And yes, I purchased the handgun and training package Front Sight advertised, but I opted to upgrade to the XD(M) model since I have small hands and prefer the option to use a smaller grip.

Bashful
03-14-2010, 17:18
What's the instructor-to-student ratio for the 4-day defensive handgun course? Being quite inexperienced with shooting hand guns in general, much less defensive uses of handguns, I would prefer as low a ratio as possible to get more interaction with the instructors. And yes, I purchased the handgun and training package Front Sight advertised, but I opted to upgrade to the XD(M) model since I have small hands and prefer the option to use a smaller grip.

There will be as many as 40 shooters on each range that are broken up into 2 relays of 20 each. There is a Range Master, along with 2-4 other instructors there. Most all exercises will start with dry fire before putting anything down the pipe.

They teach the same way for each student, but my last visit they seemed more forgiving as long as you got the results they were looking for.

The range will start as a cold range until everyone comes up to speed, and it should move to a hot range either on the 2nd or 3rd day.

You're gonna have a blast, but eat your Wheaties before you go... you're gonna be tired at the end of 4 days!!!

MDLibertarian
03-14-2010, 20:05
There will be as many as 40 shooters on each range that are broken up into 2 relays of 20 each. There is a Range Master, along with 2-4 other instructors there. Most all exercises will start with dry fire before putting anything down the pipe.

They teach the same way for each student, but my last visit they seemed more forgiving as long as you got the results they were looking for.

The range will start as a cold range until everyone comes up to speed, and it should move to a hot range either on the 2nd or 3rd day.

You're gonna have a blast, but eat your Wheaties before you go... you're gonna be tired at the end of 4 days!!!

Thanks for the information, Bashful! I didn't quite know what to expect at first, but your breakdown of the training definitely helps. I won't be going until Fall, so I at least have some time to get into better shape and to get some experience with the XD(M) at my local range before I go. Also, do you know if we're actually going to shoot 950 in five days like the information I read indicated? That is one helluva lot of ammo!

The thing I have to figure out next is what's causing me to have problems clearly seeing both the sight picture of a firearm and the target at the same time. :dunno: I'm nearsighted and have a very slight stigmatism, but I don't know if this is the cause of the blurriness or not. Have you ever heard of a complication like this and how to correct it? If not, maybe the instructors there can help.

Bashful
03-14-2010, 21:43
Thanks for the information, Bashful! I didn't quite know what to expect at first, but your breakdown of the training definitely helps. I won't be going until Fall, so I at least have some time to get into better shape and to get some experience with the XD(M) at my local range before I go. Also, do you know if we're actually going to shoot 950 in five days like the information I read indicated? That is one helluva lot of ammo!

The thing I have to figure out next is what's causing me to have problems clearly seeing both the sight picture of a firearm and the target at the same time. :dunno: I'm nearsighted and have a very slight stigmatism, but I don't know if this is the cause of the blurriness or not. Have you ever heard of a complication like this and how to correct it? If not, maybe the instructors there can help.

Both times I was there for the 4 day, we went through around 800 rounds or so. If you stay in Pahrump... check with where you're staying about accepting ammo shipments for you. I've heard a couple of the local hotels will do that if you're registered to stay there.

While you're there.. you'll cover shoot/no-shoot decision making, legal issues, malfunction drills, multiple targets, the shoot house and a night shoot.

I get to go to FS twice a year. My wife likes the 'games' in Vegas..... so when she want's to play, I get to go shoot! :pepper:

I'm certainly no expert, but I've been taught that if you focus on the front sight... that the target should be a bit blurry.