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tdkammerer
01-01-2010, 20:39
I recently made the change from 45 acp (Kimber Ultra) to 9mm (G19) for my CCW. I am very happy with my new G19 for CCW. What is the best option for ammo?

robin303
01-01-2010, 20:42
There is so much out there. I just use Fiocchi 124 gr Hollow Points.

TriggerHappy007
01-01-2010, 20:43
I personally lover Speer Gold Dot.

Any of the premium brands are great. Whatever you decide to go with make sure you run a box or 2 through the G19 before making it your carry ammo just for reliability concerns.

snoczp
01-01-2010, 20:43
124gr Speer Gold Dot HP +P, or +P+ if you can find either.

ronin.45
01-01-2010, 20:43
You can't really go wrong with any of the modern name brand hollow points. That being said I like Cor-bon Pow'r ball.

OmegaRunner
01-01-2010, 20:44
I like Winchester Ranger in any flavor, but like Robin said there are a lot of them out there.

JuneyBooney
01-01-2010, 20:47
I like the Corbon Powrball and Gold dot. Why did you change guns?

JCW355
01-01-2010, 20:48
They're alot of options out there, I bought what was available. Speer gold dot 124+p. Bought several boxes. When I run out I'll look for the same but won't sweat it if I cant find the speer.

STI
01-01-2010, 20:49
Ranger T in any cal (357 SIG & 45 ACP) here

481
01-01-2010, 20:49
I recently made the change from 45 acp (Kimber Ultra) to 9mm (G19) for my CCW. I am very happy with my new G19 for CCW. What is the best option for ammo?

There is no such thing as an "ideal" bullet in any caliber.

Magic bullets do not exist.

As has been said above, go with a high-quality JHP in a weight that makes you the most confident.

byf43
01-01-2010, 20:51
Federal 115 gr JHP +p+ (#9BPLE) or 115 gr JHP (#9BP)

MELE20C
01-01-2010, 20:54
One of the best of the more commonly available ammunition would be Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P. Another option available from Cabelas is Winchester® Supreme Elite Bond PDX1 which is also 124 grain +P. Beyond that, Corbon makes some good stuff as well especially in their DPX line. Good luck with that 19, I have two myself and love them!

Fiery Red XIII
01-01-2010, 20:54
I carry Federal EFMJ in my G19C...the 124gr +P:
http://www.ammoman.com/40_EP_DESC.htm
http://www.streichers.com/ProductDetail.aspx?Catalog=Guns%20and%20Ammo&Category=AMMO_FEDD&Prod=FC-9EX1


Red:thumbsup:

Buildwonder
01-01-2010, 21:00
Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement.....guys get WAY too hung up on this topic to the point that the uneducated and untrained begin to rely solely on internet information to defend themselves. Practice your ass off with that G19 and carry some good name brand hollow points. A certain type of bullet isn't going to make a lick of difference when you're scrambling for your gun and for cover, only to blindly squeeze the trigger in the direction of the actor. Having the proper mindset to counter the threat and establishing good form and muscle memory when reacting to a hostile situation will go much further than having the "coolest" or "best" SD ammo in your mags. Subject closed.

To echo what someone previously said, run a few boxes through your gun to ensure feeding reliability.

TeddyB
01-01-2010, 21:10
Glocks have made their reputation on being outstanding combat pistols. According to Glock they are set up for any quality +P ammunition. NATO FMJ has been very effective for our military in the sand box from 1991. Don't get hung up on ammo and internet speculation. We won a few wars before hollow point ammunition was even thought of.

Contact
01-01-2010, 21:11
Any of the top dog ammunition manufacturers hollow points will be fine.

Too many people get too mixed up by the numbers. A bad guy isn't going to keep running toward you just because the bullet has +/- 10 lbs ft of energy over another brand.

Buy a couple brands, shoot a box or two of them, and once you trust them and shoot them well, Stick with it. No need to keep trying all types of self defense ammunition. It's definitely not cheap practice ammunition

Teufelhunde
01-01-2010, 21:14
I think that any defensive round by any major manufacturer would serve you well. That being said, I carry Federal HST II 147 gr. I am a firm believer that heavy and slow trumps light and fast, and I believe that ballistics testing will support me in this.

YMMV

Lon

AK47Man
01-01-2010, 21:34
Ranger +P+ SXT or T series or Federal 9BPLE +P+. My top two choices....

USSOCOM
01-01-2010, 21:44
Ranger +P+ SXT or T series or Federal 9BPLE +P+. My top two choices....

Yes, good choices. I also recommend Federal HST and Hornady TAP.

Mr Wasabi
01-01-2010, 21:50
I'm partial to Federal HST 147g +P in my Kahr PM9.

W4CNG
01-01-2010, 21:56
I am in the Cor-Bon +P 9MM DPX box having just left the Federal Hydro's box. All work great and function 100%. Same for my other calibers....

Arr6
01-01-2010, 21:58
I personally lover Speer Gold Dot.



Yup +p for me.

Convert
01-01-2010, 21:59
Another +1 for Federal HST 147gr or Federal 9BPLE. The former is my personal carry round, while the latter is in my duty weapon. Both excellent, accurate reliable rounds.

I agree that if you do your part, pretty much ANY modern defensive load in 9mm will do it's thing and drop someone like a sack of crap.

I would also like to extend a thumbs up to Buildwonder for the excellent post. Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. Practice your ass off and stay proficient - shooting is a perishable skill.

vinnier6
01-01-2010, 22:01
the heaviest bullet for caliber is my preference for a defensive round...

mitchshrader
01-01-2010, 22:04
ditto. you must also like deep holes. ya notice some guys do and some don't? I've wondered why. ;)

"Cold Dead Hands" !
01-01-2010, 22:09
http://www.brassfetcher.com/9mm%20Luger.html

http://www.dakotaammo.net/Self-Defense-DPX/9mm-Luger-Plus-P-115gr-Self-Defense-DPX/DPX09115-20/200/Product

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=120

soundwave
01-01-2010, 22:42
Ranger T in any cal (357 SIG & 45 ACP) here

I'll second that.

den888
01-01-2010, 22:56
Federal 115 gr (standard load) or Federal HST.

mr smithglock
01-01-2010, 22:56
Gold Dot 124gr.

detroit9mm
01-01-2010, 23:00
Speer Gold Dot 124gr. +P. They are lot harder to find than they used to be though.

tdkammerer
01-02-2010, 00:46
Thank you all for your recommendations on ammo as well as emphasis on practice, practice, practice (importance of shot placement). I understand and agree.

pimuk
01-02-2010, 01:07
In alphabetical order: Fed HST 124 gr +P, Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P and Winchester 127gr +P+.

jesse2205
01-02-2010, 01:10
Speer Gold Dot 124gr +p IMO is your best bet

Fiery Red XIII
01-02-2010, 01:15
test any ammo for reliability...my G19C hates HST, and the only ammo I've shot hundreds of rounds through, with 0 problems, is the EFMJ i posted earlier in the thread


Red

TBurnham
01-02-2010, 01:50
I like Winchester Ranger in any flavor, but like Robin said there are a lot of them out there.


I agree completely, they rock!!
I also agree to test them out a few mags worth before commeting to carry them.

COLOSHOOTR
01-02-2010, 03:38
Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement.....guys get WAY too hung up on this topic to the point that the uneducated and untrained begin to rely solely on internet information to defend themselves. Practice your ass off with that G19 and carry some good name brand hollow points. A certain type of bullet isn't going to make a lick of difference when you're scrambling for your gun and for cover, only to blindly squeeze the trigger in the direction of the actor. Having the proper mindset to counter the threat and establishing good form and muscle memory when reacting to a hostile situation will go much further than having the "coolest" or "best" SD ammo in your mags. Subject closed.

To echo what someone previously said, run a few boxes through your gun to ensure feeding reliability.

While I do agree with you 100% that shot placement and mindset are going to be the game winners when it comes to the gun fight the right ammo does not hurt. If you don't have ammo that penetrates or does not expand to dump it's energy and give you that little bit of an increased diameter might just make the difference. That extra 1/100th of an inch you need to nick that vital spot when your aim was not perfect under the stress your in might be gained with a quality properly expanding hollow point. So while not a end all the right ammo can't hurt. You just better have those points you covered down before you worry about the ammo!

Any of the top dog ammunition manufacturers hollow points will be fine.

Too many people get too mixed up by the numbers. A bad guy isn't going to keep running toward you just because the bullet has +/- 10 lbs ft of energy over another brand.

Buy a couple brands, shoot a box or two of them, and once you trust them and shoot them well, Stick with it. No need to keep trying all types of self defense ammunition. It's definitely not cheap practice ammunition

I don't think it's the energy you have to worry about at all. All that energy won't mean jack if the round does not reliably expand after passing through clothing. I'd look more at expansion results, retained weight and penetration before you worry about the 10-15 difference on the energy charts.

All this being said, I trust my life to gold dots granted I get mine for free. They tested a lot of ammo and Gold Dots had the best most consistent results. The local ER doc once told me, "If you absolutely want someone dead use Speer Gold Dots." (He's a shooter and also works at a level 1 trauma center where the guys we shoot on the job go so he knows his stuff)

My back up / light weight carry gun is loaded with Speer Gold Dot 9mm 124gr +p.

Like others have said, test any ammo for function before using because some weapons do not like certain ammo. Don't get the cheap JHP ammo because it won't expand reliably (ex: Winchester white box JHP's). Any of the popular name brand stuff like Speer Gold Dots or Winchester SXT will work well. It's just up to you to decide and see what works best in your weapon.

minderasr
01-02-2010, 06:03
Magic bullets do not exist.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Zgymctrga9I/SWPfkpa6lGI/AAAAAAAAAR4/I5rDIbS5bOA/s400/magic-bullet-blender-lrg.jpg

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/magicbullet.jpg

:supergrin:

Gunboat1
01-02-2010, 06:09
As others have said: Speer Gold Dot 124g +P, or Federal HST either 124g +P or 147g +P, or Winchester 147g bonded (RA9B or Q4364). All are excellent.

Teej
01-02-2010, 06:11
Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement.....guys get WAY too hung up on this topic to the point that the uneducated and untrained begin to rely solely on internet information to defend themselves. Practice your ass off with that G19 and carry some good name brand hollow points. A certain type of bullet isn't going to make a lick of difference when you're scrambling for your gun and for cover, only to blindly squeeze the trigger in the direction of the actor. Having the proper mindset to counter the threat and establishing good form and muscle memory when reacting to a hostile situation will go much further than having the "coolest" or "best" SD ammo in your mags. Subject closed.

To echo what someone previously said, run a few boxes through your gun to ensure feeding reliability.

Right on target with this reply!! A lot of good stuff out there. LEO's used Federal Hydra-Shok for a long time. Still it is a matter of opinion.

You will loose 65% of you gross motor skills during a stressful confrontation. Dry fire practice a lot and range practice as much a possible. Get some rapid fire drills in there as well. Find the ammo your pistol likes best and that YOU control best.

Read everyones opinion here. Choose a few different brands to try out. Also, if your 9mm is brand new, I recommend putting a least 500 rounds through it, target ammo is fine for this, to properly break it in first. Then try out HD ammo before making your choice.

drjustice
01-02-2010, 06:22
I recommend the heavier rounds like 147gr JHP for better penetration/ expansion from full size 4 inch plus barrels. 158 gr subsonic for SMG/ suppressed weapons. Shorter barrels I will go with 124gr +p+ 127 or +p 124 even 124 gr FMJ NATO standard load. No 115 gr for me thanks. Not enough penetration even in +p+ to meet the 12 inch of penetration LE standards.

Contact
01-02-2010, 07:45
I don't think it's the energy you have to worry about at all. All that energy won't mean jack if the round does not reliably expand after passing through clothing. I'd look more at expansion results, retained weight and penetration before you worry about the 10-15 difference on the energy charts.

Energy is what gives a well made round the ability to expand in the first place, that's why I said to stick to your big name self defense ammunition and forget about looking at charts all day.

Take it for what it's worth.

fowler
01-02-2010, 07:59
Gold-dot Speer 124gr a med. weight +P best of both worlds . Speed of lighter bullet and penetration of heavy bullet with good construction to penetrate and expand. A balanced load. Hit center and it will D.O.A.

sean665
01-02-2010, 09:29
In no particular order, Speer Gold Dot, Remington Golden Saber, Federal Hydra Shock-all 124 gr.

Bm7b5
01-02-2010, 10:19
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

jdewberr
01-02-2010, 10:22
I ran a bunch of Hyrdo-Shok and Gold-Dot, settled on 124GR (not +p) Gold-Dot. Have heard some good things about Hornady's Critical Defense product.

pitt1011
01-02-2010, 10:37
I agree with everyone who has said practice is very important. I also would suggest you practice failure drills. I've found my Glocks are some of the most reliable pistols I own but ALL pistols can and will choke on ammo at one point. That being said, the JHP's I like to use in my Glocks are Federal HST's and Speer Gold Dots both in the 124 grain variety.

DEADLYACCURATE
01-02-2010, 10:44
you guys are crazy WWB 115 gr fmj for me :wavey: :upeyes:

Craigaz
01-02-2010, 10:49
I carry Ranger T 127gr +P+ in my nines. They are only 100fps slower than the 357 Sig as I recall.

Dustin0330
01-02-2010, 10:49
I carry hornady critical defense but all of the above mentioned ammo should get the job done.

Teej
01-02-2010, 11:08
you guys are crazy WWB 115 gr fmj for me :wavey: :upeyes:

Acccurate hits will do the job!!

SawgrassRaven
01-02-2010, 11:56
One of the best of the more commonly available ammunition would be Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P. Another option available from Cabelas is Winchester® Supreme Elite Bond PDX1 which is also 124 grain +P. Beyond that, Corbon makes some good stuff as well especially in their DPX line. Good luck with that 19, I have two myself and love them!

Speer Gold Dot 124gr +p IMO is your best bet

Gold-dot Speer 124gr a med. weight +P best of both worlds . Speed of lighter bullet and penetration of heavy bullet with good construction to penetrate and expand. A balanced load. Hit center and it will D.O.A.


I'll add my support for these.

I believe this is NYPD's G19 food as well.

:wavey:

adaman04
01-02-2010, 12:18
I've always carried Speer Gold Dot 124 gr. +P. Reliable and no issues with it. Just buy quality and you'll be fine.

.45Super-Man
01-02-2010, 12:34
Any opinions about the Black hills 124gr standard velocity? The consensus is that these use the Hornady XTP. I will say that I have to favor the better 124-127gr loads due to the fact that they seem to retain the same velocity as the 115's, yet you still get the added mass.

JBP55
01-02-2010, 14:35
HST, Ranger T, Gold Dot in 124/147 standard or Plus P.

481
01-02-2010, 14:38
Originally Posted by 481 http://glocktalk.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14460359#post14460359)
Magic bullets do not exist.



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Zgymctrga9I/SWPfkpa6lGI/AAAAAAAAAR4/I5rDIbS5bOA/s400/magic-bullet-blender-lrg.jpg

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/magicbullet.jpg



Ha! :animlol:Now, that is funny!!!

Yeah, there is one in every crowd. You got me with that one. Nice job. :)


In all seriousness, I'd encourage the OP (and anyone else for that matter) interested in selecting SD ammunition to read Duncan MacPherson's book, "Bullet Penetration".

In a "nutshell", he recommends (on page 298) selecting a JHP*:

- in the heaviest practical bullet weight available for the caliber chosen
- with a velocity of not less than 800 fps and not more than 1,000 fps
- that offers penetration of ~14 inches (eg: in calibrated 10% ordnance gelatin)

*Think factory spec. .45 ACP 230 gr. JHP @ ~850 fps, .40 S&W 180 gr. JHP @ ~950 fps and 9x19 147 gr. JHP @ ~975 fps.

hhb
01-02-2010, 14:39
Our county coroner says about anything that makes it out of the barrel works fine from what he's seen.

Halojumper
01-02-2010, 14:40
Why did you change guns?

Duh, Kimber to Glock! Maybe he wants to come home from a gunfight alive. :)

tdkammerer
01-02-2010, 16:48
Why did you change guns?
The Kimber is a great gun IMHO and one that I will continue to shoot. I was happy with it and then one day I shot a Glock and discovered I had tighter groups with the Glock (was a mind blower for me). That lead me to looking for the right Glock for me (G30, G30SF, G36, G26, G19) and the G19 fit my hand perfectly (and tight groups).

MattS67
01-02-2010, 17:13
One of the best of the more commonly available ammunition would be Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P.

This is what I carry.

NEOH212
01-02-2010, 17:34
As has been said above, go with a high-quality JHP in a weight that makes you the most confident.

Well said. Pretty much any modern JHP ammunition will do the job just fine. :wavey:

HogGlocker
01-02-2010, 17:41
Speer Gold Dot JHP 124 gr +P.

Great load, never a hitch with it.

stengun
01-02-2010, 17:50
Howdy,

I think I would try something in .40 caliber.:whistling:

Paul

conpro
01-02-2010, 18:21
Hornady tap critical defense.

9mmasta
01-02-2010, 20:14
I carry Federal HST +p but when they're not available (if I run out) I get the Speer Gold Dots... I know they each work EXTREMELY well and the ballistics and reviews have shown they're each amazing rounds! Can't go wrong with any of the popular JHPs these days if they run through your gun well and you're accurate with them though. The heavies make me feel better :supergrin:

VegasPier
01-02-2010, 23:13
Originally Posted by 481 http://glocktalk.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14460359#post14460359)
Magic bullets do not exist.





Ha! :animlol:Now, that is funny!!!

Yeah, there is one in every crowd. You got me with that one. Nice job. :)


In all seriousness, I'd encourage the OP (and anyone else for that matter) interested in selecting SD ammunition to read Duncan MacPherson's book, "Bullet Penetration".

In a "nutshell", he recommends (on page 298) selecting a JHP*:

- in the heaviest practical bullet weight available for the caliber chosen
- with a velocity of not less than 800 fps and not more than 1,000 fps
- that offers penetration of ~14 inches (eg: in calibrated 10% ordnance gelatin)

*Think factory spec. .45 ACP 230 gr. JHP @ ~850 fps, .40 S&W 180 gr. JHP @ ~950 fps and 9x19 147 gr. JHP @ ~975 fps.


That book goes starts at $149 on Amazon. A tad too steep for me.

AFshooter
01-02-2010, 23:15
CorBon DPX. Been carrying it for about a year in my G19 and 26.
Round here folks wear a lot of thick over garments when it's cold (was -4F last night) and tests have shown that heavy clothing can make a difference in penetration. The DPX rounds excel at penetration as well as expansion.
I know people who have shot people with them through objects (like car windshields, windows and doors) with good results.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/image00415.jpg

Really though, any Golden Saber, Gold Dot, Ranger, PowrBall, XTP, DPX, or any other quality modern expanding bullet will do.
Also, go for the +P when available. A little extra velocity helps in bullet performance, and it's usually not noticeable in the recoil in 9mm.

skyugo
01-02-2010, 23:32
124 grain gold dot seems to have quite the following.

i am currently carrying a mix of 9BPLE federal and 115 grain gold dot +P+

481
01-03-2010, 12:25
That book goes starts at $149 on Amazon. A tad too steep for me.

Maybe try a library? :dunno:

Never said that anyone was required to purchase it.

DocGKR
01-03-2010, 21:16
Consider what has worked well in LE OIS incidents: http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887