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cali92rs
01-04-2010, 16:41
Gentlemen,

I have a LCT which i have been using for a couple of years to reload for my pistols (45 acp, 454 Casull, 10mm).
I want to get into reloading for my .308 in which I am interested at long range paper punching and accuracy.
Question - which presses do you guys use? I am looking at the Forster Co-axial, but its a bit more pricey than the Hornady LnL, Lee, Lyman and RCBS single stage presses.

hambone33
01-04-2010, 16:43
RCBS Rockchucker here .

tjpet
01-04-2010, 17:02
Pay for the Co-Ax and never look back. You'll be glad you did.

A segment on History about ammo for Marine sniper/target rifles had Co-Axs being used in the backround. Should tell you something.

Bultx1215
01-04-2010, 17:06
I just use my Lee Turret for .308. We are shooting 100yd three shot groups you can cover up with a .45 case with those loads. I figure that is good enough.:cool:

PBKing
01-04-2010, 17:12
Of the three....the Forster Co Ax but in that $$ range Check out the Redding T-7. Although you cant go wrong with the RC
I run a T-7.

0-16
01-04-2010, 17:41
I just use my Lee Turret for .308. We are shooting 100yd three shot groups you can cover up with a .45 case with those loads. I figure that is good enough.:cool:
When I use the LCT for 223, I get variations on the bullet depth. Have you ever experienced this. With my pistol loads I don't have a problem.

Bultx1215
01-04-2010, 17:50
Once in a while I will get some variation. I always check the OAL of every round anyway, so if one is off, I fix it then and there. Most of the time its spot on. The last time I did .308's, I only had about four or five in 100 that were out a tad. Some of that was the bullet I believe. The SP's did it way more often than the FMJ's.

0-16
01-04-2010, 17:56
Thanks for the quick reply

Kentucky Shooter
01-04-2010, 18:02
Gentlemen,

I have a LCT which i have been using for a couple of years to reload for my pistols (45 acp, 454 Casull, 10mm).
I want to get into reloading for my .308 in which I am interested at long range paper punching and accuracy.
Question - which presses do you guys use? I am looking at the Forster Co-axial, but its a bit more pricey than the Hornady LnL, Lee, Lyman and RCBS single stage presses.

I use the rockchucker from RCBS. Not totally sure of your purpose for asking, and I may be misreading your intent, but I will offer this advice that you may already be aware of (if you are, then please disregard.) I think its safe to say that the press you use is one of the least important variables in the search for accuracy. I would look at dies, bullets, brass, combinations of bullets and powders, seating depth, scope or other sight, base and ring setups, brass preparation, as all being more important than the selection of a press. And I may have left out a few things-----but I think if you look at all this then fine accuracy can be achieved with a cheap Lee single stage press. Good luck in whatever you decide.

Rick from Kali
01-04-2010, 18:34
Gentlemen,

I have a LCT which i have been using for a couple of years to reload for my pistols (45 acp, 454 Casull, 10mm).
I want to get into reloading for my .308 in which I am interested at long range paper punching and accuracy.
Question - which presses do you guys use? I am looking at the Forster Co-axial, but its a bit more pricey than the Hornady LnL, Lee, Lyman and RCBS single stage presses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZEas38vkKg

cali92rs
01-04-2010, 18:39
I use the rockchucker from RCBS. Not totally sure of your purpose for asking, and I may be misreading your intent, but I will offer this advice that you may already be aware of (if you are, then please disregard.) I think its safe to say that the press you use is one of the least important variables in the search for accuracy. I would look at dies, bullets, brass, combinations of bullets and powders, seating depth, scope or other sight, base and ring setups, brass preparation, as all being more important than the selection of a press. And I may have left out a few things-----but I think if you look at all this then fine accuracy can be achieved with a cheap Lee single stage press. Good luck in whatever you decide.


Yes I do understand all that...I just wanted to eliminate one variable while I happen to be in the market for a press.

Thanks though for the tip, i do understand where you are coming from.:wavey:

Rick from Kali
01-04-2010, 18:59
Yes I do understand all that...I just wanted to eliminate one variable while I happen to be in the market for a press.

Thanks though for the tip, i do understand where you are coming from.:wavey:

my suggestion to you is for now is to use your classic turret press and by a set of either Forster or Redding Bench rest die set and see what you can accomplish with your press and the die sets. if you are satisfied with the groups that you are getting with that combo you need go no farther. if not then the next step up in presses will be the Forster Co-Ax press with number1 being a arbor press and Wilson hand dies. HTH one important process i forgot to mention that is most important when loading for accuracy in rifle cartridges is Case-Prep, Neck Turning,Uniform Primer Pockets,De-Burring Flash Holes etc.
Rick

Kentucky Shooter
01-04-2010, 19:24
Yes I do understand all that...I just wanted to eliminate one variable while I happen to be in the market for a press.

Thanks though for the tip, i do understand where you are coming from.:wavey:

Absolutely, no problem----I am thinking myself of moving toward loading for "volume" in handgun loading. It sure takes a while to do all the steps on the rockchucker. I hope to get a Dillon 650 someday. And I think the Dillon boys are getting some good accuracy out of their setups to boot.

PatinAz
01-04-2010, 21:04
For those of you guys using the Lee CT, what are you using to throw powder? I have a LCT with just the standard set of 4 discs to throw set (pistol) volumes of powder.

Right now I'm using the press as a single/multi stage with a seperate RCBS Uniflow to throw powder for .223 & .308.

I love the LCT. I've thought about going blue, but just can't justify the extra $$$ to go progressive on rifle calibers, when I still have to trim and clean each primer pocket. If there's a good case activated powder measure for the LCT that's completely adjustable, I'll be content.

Bultx1215
01-04-2010, 21:51
I use a RCBS Uniflow for all rifle powder drops. I mount it in the second position on the turret where the powder should be. But with the extra weight and the large shells on the rifle rounds, I manually rotate the turret. Can't remember if the .308 clears the turret, but the .30-06 definitely does NOT. I ended up running a lot of .30-06, .30-30 and .308 this year, so I just got into the habit of doing it manually. I even do it on my .223 now. So far, it has worked well for me.:supergrin:

Hoser
01-05-2010, 08:30
The Co-Ax is a good press but I found it to be as uncomfortable as the Redding Ultramag to use.

I finally settled on the Redding Big Boss. Being angles the rounds slide right in instead of having to go straight in from the front. Not a huge deal, but a minor irritant that wore on me.

As already stated, press manufacturer/design/model is the least important factor in accurate ammo.

unclebob
01-05-2010, 08:46
I have the RCBS Rock Chucker, but if I had too do it all over again I with out question would get the Forster Co-Ax.

sig357fan
01-05-2010, 23:15
For those of you guys using the Lee CT, what are you using to throw powder? I have a LCT with just the standard set of 4 discs to throw set (pistol) volumes of powder.

PatinAz,

I load cast bullets in 308 Win and 303 Brit on my LCT using the rifle powder charge die with the disk measure.

I charge the case with what ever disk cavity is just under the weight I want then dump the charge into my scale pan and trickle up to the charge I want.

powder funnel the charge back into the case and seat the bullet, may be slow but it is consistant.

if you can't get enough powder with one cavity, there is a double disk kit avalible from Lee.

sig357fan

Colorado4Wheel
01-06-2010, 08:43
If I owned a LCT I just couldn't resist the opportunity to work up some really good loads on that press. Just so you could outshoot people with expensive presses. That would be too much fun. If the press is truely holding you back you can always buy a more expensive setup later. Only suggestion I would have is to try the Lee Lock rings with the O-rings in place, finger tighten the die. Die basically floats over the toolhead. Work up your powder loads and see if that helps or hurts thing. Lee has some good ideas about this stuff and I would be very curious to see if it makes a difference one way or the other. Those are the kind of things I find interesting. If I was in your shoes I would have to try those things first before moving on to something new.

cali92rs
01-06-2010, 14:02
If I owned a LCT I just couldn't resist the opportunity to work up some really good loads on that press. Just so you could outshoot people with expensive presses. That would be too much fun. If the press is truely holding you back you can always buy a more expensive setup later. Only suggestion I would have is to try the Lee Lock rings with the O-rings in place, finger tighten the die. Die basically floats over the toolhead. Work up your powder loads and see if that helps or hurts thing. Lee has some good ideas about this stuff and I would be very curious to see if it makes a difference one way or the other. Those are the kind of things I find interesting. If I was in your shoes I would have to try those things first before moving on to something new.

Thanks for the advice...
Unfortunately, an avenue that i thought i had for $$$ has dried up (got engaged, planning a wedding:crying:, so it looks like I will be going with the LCT route for the forseeable future.

Will just get some good dies and case prep stuff (if i can even afford that:drowning:) and see what she could do

fredj338
01-06-2010, 17:50
Thanks for the advice...
Unfortunately, an avenue that i thought i had for $$$ has dried up (got engaged, planning a wedding:crying:, so it looks like I will be going with the LCT route for the forseeable future.

Will just get some good dies and case prep stuff (if i can even afford that:drowning:) and see what she could do

The Coax has a great rep, but I agree, the press is the last thing I would worry about trying to achieve accuracy. Good dies, good technique, premium match bullets, maybe match primers. Good scope & proper bench technique wil matter far more.

GioaJack
01-06-2010, 17:54
Thanks for the advice...
Unfortunately, an avenue that i thought i had for $$$ has dried up (got engaged, planning a wedding:crying:, so it looks like I will be going with the LCT route for the forseeable future.

Will just get some good dies and case prep stuff (if i can even afford that:drowning:) and see what she could do


Quality loading equipment lasts a lifetime... marriage, well... sometimes not as long as a pound of powder.

I vote for the new equipment. :supergrin:

Jack

unclebob
01-06-2010, 18:22
The Coax has a great rep, but I agree, the press is the last thing I would worry about trying to achieve accuracy. Good dies, good technique, premium match bullets, maybe match primers. Good scope & proper bench technique wil matter far more.

You want a press and dies that well give you the least amount of bullet run out. If you start out with a bullet that starts out wobbling down the barrel. You well not receive the potential of you, the gun and scope can achieve. At least that is what I have read and videos that I have watched have said.

cali92rs
01-07-2010, 12:37
Quality loading equipment lasts a lifetime... marriage, well... sometimes not as long as a pound of powder.

I vote for the new equipment. :supergrin:

Jack

LOL...
no comment :whistling:

Colorado4Wheel
01-07-2010, 13:03
Screw it. Load with what you got. Worry about the rest when you have money.

creophus
01-08-2010, 12:56
Screw it. Load with what you got. Worry about the rest when you have money.

I do exactly that. My 308 ammo is sub MOA.

What kinda gun you loading for cali?

dudel
01-08-2010, 13:40
Quality loading equipment lasts a lifetime... marriage, well... sometimes not as long as a pound of powder.

I vote for the new equipment. :supergrin:

Jack
Or as long as a pound of powder that's had a match put to it. :whistling:

Don

dudel
01-08-2010, 13:44
Gentlemen,

I have a LCT which i have been using for a couple of years to reload for my pistols (45 acp, 454 Casull, 10mm).
I want to get into reloading for my .308 in which I am interested at long range paper punching and accuracy.
Question - which presses do you guys use? I am looking at the Forster Co-axial, but its a bit more pricey than the Hornady LnL, Lee, Lyman and RCBS single stage presses.

Coax is a fine press; but it's no magic bullet :supergrin:

Paying attention to details, buying quality projectiles, a good bore, proper shooting technique will get you accuracy.

If Lee's ads are to be believed, the accuracy record is held by some guy you loaded with a Lee pounder.

http://leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1262979739.4480=/html/catalog/cleeloader.html

"Everything you need to begin loading one caliber. Accuracy is better than most tools because it only sizes the case neck. Guinness World record holder for over seven years."

Don

Hound_dogs_01
01-08-2010, 14:44
RCBS Rockchucker here .


X2 strongest press on the market IMO


Alex

hambone33
01-08-2010, 14:55
X2 strongest press on the market IMO


Alex

Why can't we all just get along . I've got a rc because I'm not as rich as you . My stuff is all rcbs because that's what I've had forever and the have topnotch customer service . To get an x2 I'd have to buy something new and what I've got isn't broke thus no need to fix it .

Hoser
01-08-2010, 15:42
If you really want accuracy, switch to Wilson hand dies and an arbor press. I bet less than a handfull of benchrest shooters load on anything else.

Bob2223
01-08-2010, 16:11
Coax is a fine press; but it's no magic bullet :supergrin:

Paying attention to details, buying quality projectiles, a good bore, proper shooting technique will get you accuracy.

If Lee's ads are to be believed, the accuracy record is held by some guy you loaded with a Lee pounder.

http://leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1262979739.4480=/html/catalog/cleeloader.html

"Everything you need to begin loading one caliber. Accuracy is better than most tools because it only sizes the case neck. Guinness World record holder for over seven years."

Don

:whistling: ?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b376/BobMKIII/180px-GuinnessBeer.jpg

Bob

fx77
01-08-2010, 16:31
/Get a dedicated seating die... and an arbor press for precision

http://www.6mmbr.com/CarstensenJLC01.html

dudel
01-09-2010, 06:06
/Get a dedicated seating die... and an arbor press for precision

http://www.6mmbr.com/CarstensenJLC01.html

Not going to help much unless you've got alot of other variables under control. People tend to think that there something magic about an arbor press. There's not; it's a single stage press with a gear. It will turn out good rounds; but only if the loader picks proper components, and pays close attention to the detail.

People have been shooting long range accruate shots for over 100 years. Many competitions held at over 1000 yards (curvature of the earth and all) They didn't have the fancy equipment. They had technique and skilled honed over many, many hours of practice. You can't replace that with a $100 press.

byf43
01-09-2010, 10:18
Lots of good answers here.

Loading equipment (press), dies, loading practice(s) and attention to detail, along with choice of components are what make (produce) good, accurate ammunition.

The loads that I have produced for 7.62x51mm, 5.56x45mm and even .30-'06 have gone 1/2 MOA or better, because I'm 'anal' about my loading practices.
Case preparation is very important.

No particular press is 'the magic bullet'. (Pardon the pun.)

I've produced phenomenal rounds from both my RL550B and my RockChucker.

Rick from Kali
01-09-2010, 13:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzsZsn-DurY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRLCh0Re_LA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRLCh0Re_LA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktjIxtuRrtw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wG0-vJJDf8&feature=related

dudel
01-09-2010, 15:26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzsZsn-DurY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRLCh0Re_LA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRLCh0Re_LA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktjIxtuRrtw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wG0-vJJDf8&feature=related


Good technique shown on the first one. Two points:

1) I cringed when he had his fingers over the case mouth while seating primers
2) Sort of surprised he didn't measure bullet runout (maybe they don't make that tool). To me that's more important than case runout.

Don

Brass Nazi
01-09-2010, 15:44
There have been world records set with a LEE Loader and they only cost a few dollars. You will have to buy a hammer though.

unclebob
01-09-2010, 16:11
There have been world records set with a LEE Loader and they only cost a few dollars.

Even a blind squirrel can find a nut every once in a while.

Rick from Kali
01-09-2010, 16:18
There have been world records set with a LEE Loader and they only cost a few dollars. You will have to buy a hammer though.

can somrone post a link to this record? i couldn't find it at the Guinness site. alas my computer skills are limited and could account for such.
Rick

Brass Nazi
01-09-2010, 16:23
can somrone post a link to this record? i couldn't find it at the Guinness site. alas my computer skills are limited and could account for such.
Rick

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lee+loader+world+record
http://www.leeprecision.com/html/catalog/cleeloader.html

Rick from Kali
01-09-2010, 16:39
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lee+loader+world+record
http://www.leeprecision.com/html/catalog/cleeloader.html

how about an actual link at the Guinness site showing this record. the links that you gave are just people saying this is so at other forums and they mention the guy that used a collet die not a lee loader. as for the Lee site that's just an advertisment claim with no veriable link to the Guinness site to verify that claim. the actual link at the Guinness site would help alot.
Rick

GioaJack
01-09-2010, 16:53
Bob2223 is the World Backyard Shooting Champion, and he drinks Guinness... does that count?

No, wait... his goats drink Guinness, he drinks those things with the little umbrellas.


Jack

Brass Nazi
01-09-2010, 17:01
I doubt if Guiness keeps records of every component used in a marksmanship record. I just googled their website and I must say that it sucks. There is no way that I would waste my time looking that up and it is quite likely that Guiness would not cover ever class of every marksmanship sport. They spend there time looking up other useless crap like who made the largest cheeseburger or drank the most kool aid in 24 hours.

The fact that there was once a world record marksmanship feat made by someone using a Lee Loader is well known. If you were to contact Lee I am sure that they could give you relevant information that you could use to confirm this on your own.

Bob2223
01-09-2010, 17:44
Bob2223 is the World Backyard Shooting Champion, and he drinks Guinness... does that count?

No, wait... his goats drink Guinness, he drinks those things with the little umbrellas.


Jack


I never made it to world BYSC .
Oh and I don't drink and neither do the goats, at least I don't think they do?

Bob