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bowcop22
01-06-2010, 20:28
What do you guys reccomend? I am using a basically stock G35.

I have been looking at the CR's but am put off by the price tag. I would like to get a "speed holster"

Anyone selling one?

TIA!!!

Tim

BuckyP
01-06-2010, 20:41
What do you guys reccomend? I am using a basically stock G35.

I have been looking at the CR's but am put off by the price tag. I would like to get a "speed holster"

Anyone selling one?

TIA!!!

Tim

I'd stick with a good kydex holster. You aren't going to gain a whole lot in IPSC competition on the draw in today's style matches. However, if you venture into steel challenge style shooting, a race holster will be a definitive advantage.

Jon_R
01-07-2010, 07:51
What division do you want to compete in? Do you plan to also shoot IDPA and want to use the same holster?


What do you guys reccomend? I am using a basically stock G35.

I have been looking at the CR's but am put off by the price tag. I would like to get a "speed holster"

Anyone selling one?

TIA!!!

Tim

bowcop22
01-07-2010, 08:45
I have shot "Production" the last two....I am open to shooting "Open" for the speed holster. I have not shot any IDPA yet...

mteagle1
01-07-2010, 14:09
My recommendation is to buy a Bladetech DOH until you are ready to put optics on the gun. When you make a FIRM commitment to open then and only then should you start looking for a race holster. A G35 open gun is going to limit you to 24 rounds while a 9mm will get 30-31-32 depending on base & follower.

HK Dan
01-08-2010, 07:39
The CR Speed is a good holster. It has a positive lock and is very quick. Now, in side by side tests, it only gets me about .1 to .15 on the draw over a Bladetech DOH. That ain't much--and if you're just getting started, you might be better served with a simple Kydex holster. Not as adjustable, and they will put wear on the gun where the CR Speed won't, but you'll save a few dollars.

I'd avoid the Ghost holsters. Seen a few DQs because of that design (dropped guns), but Safariland are good, if you can stand the leg pad.

Have fun!!
Dan

Ps--This is for Limited or L-10, right?

bowcop22
01-08-2010, 08:38
The CR Speed is a good holster. It has a positive lock and is very quick. Now, in side by side tests, it only gets me about .1 to .15 on the draw over a Bladetech DOH. That ain't much--and if you're just getting started, you might be better served with a simple Kydex holster. Not as adjustable, and they will put wear on the gun where the CR Speed won't, but you'll save a few dollars.

I'd avoid the Ghost holsters. Seen a few DQs because of that design (dropped guns), but Safariland are good, if you can stand the leg pad.

Have fun!!
Dan

Ps--This is for Limited or L-10, right?


No, I am shooting Production...I have several bladetech/kydex holsters that I have been using, but I am really wanting a cleaner draw than what they can give me...I need to shave some time off of the steel plates! My best time on the plates is 4.16 (that was with a totally stock G23). I am averaging around 5 seconds with the 35 on the plates...but I have just aquired the 35 and don't have a ton of practice with it just yet

Thanks you guys!

mteagle1
01-08-2010, 11:32
No, I am shooting Production...I have several bladetech/kydex holsters that I have been using, but I am really wanting a cleaner draw than what they can give me...I need to shave some time off of the steel plates! My best time on the plates is 4.16 (that was with a totally stock G23). I am averaging around 5 seconds with the 35 on the plates...but I have just aquired the 35 and don't have a ton of practice with it just yet
Thanks you guys!

Some tips from Matt Burkett;

1. Check your reaction time to the buzzer. Use a timer with a delay or a friend, get your shooting stance, prep the trigger, at the first note of the buzzer pull the trigger. Trying for .13-.20.

2. Dryfire draws to a target that you just touch with the muzzle of the gun. Use the par time on a timer and reduce the time until you are not making the touch before the timer. Trying for 1.0 or less.

3. Keep the draw speed the same and allow the sights to dictate the first shot speed. For plates put the sights on the top half of the plate because as people try for speed they tend to jerk the shots low.

4. In the beginning pin the trigger to the rear until the sights recover. Once you know you can hit the plate every time then snap the eyes to the next plate and use the recoil to bring the gun down on target.

My observation is that the best way to shoot a 3.0 sec plate rack is to start with the gun at the ready and shoot a few 1000 rounds until you know that when the sight is on the plate it will fall every time. Then start with the gun in the holster, now that 1.0 sec draw gets you a 4.0 sec run or less.

HK Dan
01-08-2010, 13:01
Yeah, you really have to have the transitions mastered on the plate rack. If a 6 plate rack is taking you 5 seconds, I assume you're 1.5 or so on the draw, and then .6 to .8 on transitions. Let's say you get the superduper open guy holster, practice really hard, and get the draw to .9 seconds. Congrats. You are now shooting the rack in 4.4 instead of 5.

Now, learn to ride recoil. Learn that the plate rack is NOT 6 seperate shots, but one single action. Learn to call your shot so you don't have to see the plate go down (or worse, hear it). In short, cut your transitions from .7 to .3 and you have a 3.5 second session with a really slow draw!

It's really easy if you learn to call your shots from a flash sight picture, and stop waiting for confirmation of the hit!

G'luck!
Dan

bowcop22
01-09-2010, 01:34
Thanks for the info guys....

Another Production question....Can you wear a "drop" holster? I know that it can't be forward of your hip...

Jon_R
01-09-2010, 16:26
Depends how drop. :)


Thanks for the info guys....

Another Production question....Can you wear a "drop" holster? I know that it can't be forward of your hip...


5.2.7 Competitors must not be permitted to commence a course of fire wearing:
5.2.7.1 A shoulder holster or "tie-down" rig (visible or otherwise),
5.2.7.2 A holster with the heel of the butt of the handgun below the top of the belt,
5.2.7.3 A holster with the muzzle of the handgun pointing further than 1 meter from the competitor's feet
while standing relaxed,
5.2.7.4 A holster which does not completely prevent access to, or activation of, the trigger of the handgun
while holstered.

HK Dan
01-10-2010, 19:07
The DOH is fine, though there has been some controversy.

Now, why are you shooting Production with a .40? Go Limited! Pickup some +5 basepads--you'll only need 2 to start--an go LIMITED. Get the advantage of the extra power instead of paying the price for it.

bowcop22
01-10-2010, 21:52
The DOH is fine, though there has been some controversy.

Now, why are you shooting Production with a .40? Go Limited! Pickup some +5 basepads--you'll only need 2 to start--an go LIMITED. Get the advantage of the extra power instead of paying the price for it.

Dan,

I am not sure what you mean....can you explain a bit better?

I am shooting a stock G35 with Hi cap mags....

Jon_R
01-11-2010, 08:42
Dan,

I am not sure what you mean....can you explain a bit better?

I am shooting a stock G35 with Hi cap mags....

Not Dan but I will expand on it some.

You are shooting in production right now. In production no matter what caliber you are shooting the scoring is minor. Also in production you can only put 10 rounds in your magazine. The recoil you are getting with .40 is making you slower vs. someone shooting 9mm so you are slower and not getting the scoring advantage of major.

If you shoot in limited division you can shoot major since you are shooting .40 and hits to the C and D section on the targets will score you more points in the stage. Also in limited you can fill up your magazines. You also could add extensions to the bottom of your magazine and get 19-20 rounds in each magazine.

Another option would be limited 10. Same as limited with major scoring but only 10 rounds in your magazines. If you don't add the extensions this might be the best division for a G35. I usually shoot my G35 in L10 unless the weather is bad and I want to limit the number of mag changes where they get dropped in the mud. In that case I shoot limited and fill up the magazines.

Another option if you load your own is do a light .40 and shoot minor in production. In that case you won't really be at a disadvantage.

Flexmoney
01-12-2010, 17:36
What will be your primary use?

IPSC...in Canada?
USPSA...in the United States?
Real Steel Challenge?
Local steel plate match?

bowcop22
01-12-2010, 19:36
Jon,

Thank you for the detailed response! So, if I understand this right, If I shoot my G35 in the limited class...I can have as many rounds in the mag as the max mag length allows....right?



What will be your primary use?

IPSC...in Canada?
USPSA...in the United States?
Real Steel Challenge?
Local steel plate match?

This will be IPSC...USA!

Jon_R
01-12-2010, 19:54
Jon,

Thank you for the detailed response! So, if I understand this right, If I shoot my G35 in the limited class...I can have as many rounds in the mag as the max mag length allows....right?


As many rounds as your magazine can hold without the magazine being longer then 5.561 (141.25mm) You can take G22/35 magazines and add a +5 extension to them and still be inside the length.

Flexmoney
01-12-2010, 23:45
Jon,

Thank you for the detailed response! So, if I understand this right, If I shoot my G35 in the limited class...I can have as many rounds in the mag as the max mag length allows....right?





This will be IPSC...USA!


IPSC is the international organization. USPSA is the USA version. The rules have some slight differences (including the equipment requirement within th divisions).

I am guessing that you are shooting at the Custer range? If so, they are USPSA matches, I believe. I see from their website that they might still call them "IPSC", but that is kind of a generic term.


For Production Division in USPSA the Dropped and Offset (DOH) from Bladetech is the goto choice.

For a true race holster, the CR Speed World Shoot model is a great bet for the Glock. If that is what you want, pony up the $$$.

Either one can produce a sub-second draw to first shot. The CRS might prove to be a tenth or so faster.

But the real gain on the draw comes from technique.

bowcop22
01-13-2010, 08:32
Kyle,

You are correct! I am shooting at Custer....the other gents have me convinced to shoot limited...is my "Drop Bladetech" gonna be ok in limited?

mpolans
01-13-2010, 10:19
Your Dropped Offset Holster (DOH) from Blade-Tech will be fine. Personally, I prefer it for Limited over my Ghost Holster because I feel it is much more secure. I don't think I'm giving up much time (if any) by using the Blade-Tech over the Ghost. The only reason I keep the Ghost around is for my Open gun.

Flexmoney
01-13-2010, 12:53
The DOH is the holster I'd suggest. It's a great holster.

If you want to improve your draw, spend time and effort in learning the proper mechanics. (I think Matt Burkett covers them very well on one of his videos.)