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unit1069
01-08-2010, 22:35
Let's say you have the choice of one handgun round/platform with which to defend yourself against a realistic life-or-death encounter such as a carjacking, convenience store holdup, or other threat from an armed and determined criminal.

What pistol, caliber, and handgun round would you choose for the lone chance of survival and what are your reasons for that choice?

DWARREN123
01-08-2010, 22:50
Glock 23, it is what I carry and trained with. I know it and like the 40 S&W round.

janice6
01-08-2010, 22:51
The one that I already carry. G27 w/15 round mag.

Glock 27
.40 cal.

coal
01-09-2010, 00:50
Let's say you have the choice of one handgun round/platform with which to defend yourself against a realistic life-or-death encounter such as a carjacking, convenience store holdup, or other threat from an armed and determined criminal.

What pistol, caliber, and handgun round would you choose for the lone chance of survival and what are your reasons for that choice?

Dreamworld, hypothetical single-shot scenario = 10mm
Everything else = 9mm (Citizen: Caliber Acedemic? (http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=934135))

ajstrider
01-09-2010, 03:38
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/ajstrider/170262_large.jpg

Loaded with Cor Bon's 275 grain DPX Hunting load. Because if that doesn't kill them, you should run.

No, I prefer either my G17 or G19 with Black Hills 124 grain +p loading.

hotpig
01-09-2010, 04:28
45 since it has less perceived recoil than my 9mm or 40. I shoot better with it. Ammo choice would be a distant second but I will use the RA45B/PDX1 or RA45T.

MSgt Dotson
01-09-2010, 05:27
.45 acp, in my Glock 21 or Para P14

faawrenchbndr
01-09-2010, 06:45
230 grain Ranger T-series out of my Ed Brown
A big, slow moving large caliber projectile produces a larger trama cavity.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/Guns%20and%20stuff/KobraCarryinIvory.jpg

EL COLONEL
01-09-2010, 07:48
Smith 29 44mag gold dot 240gr...........:embarassed:

Joshhtn
01-09-2010, 07:49
The one that I already carry. G27 w/15 round mag.

Glock 27
.40 cal.


This.

DocKWL
01-09-2010, 08:14
Let's say you have the choice of one handgun round/platform with which to defend yourself against a realistic life-or-death encounter such as a carjacking, convenience store holdup, or other threat from an armed and determined criminal.

What pistol, caliber, and handgun round would you choose for the lone chance of survival and what are your reasons for that choice?

You might as well ask what weapon everyone has, that will be their answer.

There is no perfect caliber or magic bullet. There is no single ideal platform for every occasion. A 357 SIG would serve well in a carjacking scenario. A 9mm or .38 may be ideal for a convenience store holdup. A rifle or shotgun and a couple of friends with the same would be best for an armed and determined attacker.

The .40 S&W does everything well and is packaged in a size that is easily carried and/or concealed with manageable recoil.

Brucev
01-09-2010, 08:38
Let's say you have the choice of one handgun round/platform with which to defend yourself against a realistic life-or-death encounter such as a carjacking, convenience store holdup, or other threat from an armed and determined criminal.

What pistol, caliber, and handgun round would you choose for the lone chance of survival and what are your reasons for that choice?

I would use whatever I could get my hands on. Currently that would be a G-22 loaded with Remington 180 gr. JHP ammunition. As much as I love shooting my 1911, S&W M-28 & 625, I would choose the G-22 simply because in a emergency I have more confidence that I would be able to use it effectively. It is very easy to shoot well, has more than ample power, extremely good capacity, excellent accuracy and, in firing with a variety of .40 loads it has been 100% ultra reliable. Sincerely. Brucev.

dnuggett
01-09-2010, 09:13
Standard reply:

The one you know how to shoot best. If you don't know how to shoot anything and are starting from scratch, choose a gun that fits you best in 9mm, .40, .45, .38 Special... whatever. Try to stay away from anything with terminal ballistics less than a .380 if you have a choice.

It doesn't matter much between 9, .357 Sig .40, .45, .38 Special, etc. The bottom line is pick a gun that fits you well, buy a lot of ammo and go learn how to shoot it.

SDGlock23
01-09-2010, 12:49
More than likely something in .40 or .45. Since I carry the .40 more often, that's what it would most likely be.

deadhawg
01-09-2010, 14:12
My G30 with a 230 gr HST+p.

Steel Head
01-09-2010, 14:19
As long as there's a 10 or 40 or 45 and a 180 or 230 I worry more about my shootin and what I'm shootin at than what I'm sending downrange


Although anything is better than nothin
If I had ONLY one shot-PUNT GUN or JDAM

MTS532
01-09-2010, 15:42
Let's say you have the choice of one handgun round/platform with which to defend yourself against a realistic life-or-death encounter such as a carjacking, convenience store holdup, or other threat from an armed and determined criminal.

What pistol, caliber, and handgun round would you choose for the lone chance of survival and what are your reasons for that choice?

That is the whole point of carrying a weapon in the first place, isn't it?

Obviously, I would use whatever I'm carrying at the time.

Vic777
01-09-2010, 15:45
I'd take my chances with a S&W 627 TRR8 ... .357mag
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=45916&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y
it's a little on the heavy/big side for CCW ... maybe a Taurus 24/7 in .45ACP would be better ....
http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=112&category=Pistol&toggle=tp&breadcrumbseries=247

I think I'd go with the Taurus ... lighter, and more firepower. Use the 627 for the nightstand.

Tarowah
01-09-2010, 16:18
I dont really care what I have on me as long as it is 9mm or larger and it goes bang every time I pull the trigger, if I do my job the round should work, if it dosent I'll keep pulling the trigger untill it does, if its my time to buy the farm nothing I do will save my life anyways so I dont give it much thought.

MountainPacker
01-09-2010, 16:46
I'll take my ques from the professionals. How about a...

Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range.

If I can't find that in the shop. My 4" 1911 with night sights and laser fills the bill.

packinaglock
01-09-2010, 16:48
Dreamworld, hypothetical single-shot scenario = 10mm
Everything else = 9mm (Citizen: Caliber Acedemic? (http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=934135))

My thoughts exactly!

den888
01-09-2010, 22:12
Glock 23 in .40S&W

9mm +p+
01-09-2010, 23:58
S&W 4" 686, Remington 125 SJHP. It's the round the rest of handgun loads aspire to be...

sentinel208
01-10-2010, 00:05
My Combat Commander with Federal 230 HST.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/sentinel208/DSC00391-1.jpg

Clem Eastwood
01-10-2010, 00:23
.454 if i cant use a 12 gauge slug :tongueout:


im glad that's settled.

Glolt20-91
01-10-2010, 01:22
S&W 4" 686, Remington 125 SJHP. It's the round the rest of handgun loads aspire to be...

That ammo chronos 1465fps from a 4" Dan Wesson and 1610fps from a M686/6". I inventory for handload more bullet combinations in .357mag than any other caliber; including all of the Rem SJHP weights, 125gr, 140gr, 158gr and 180gr.

Skeeter Skelton once said, "The .357 Magnum probably wouldn't be my first pick for many things, but if I could only have ONE handgun, the .357 would be that one gun."


Guess that's good 'nuff for me too. :)

Bob :cowboy:

KillStick
01-10-2010, 01:46
this http://www.gunslot.com/pictures/950-jdj-biggest-rifle-bullet-planet

packinaglock
01-10-2010, 06:59
this http://www.gunslot.com/pictures/950-jdj-biggest-rifle-bullet-planet

Ouch! :shocked:

unit1069
01-10-2010, 12:02
Thanks for all your opinions. For the record my considered choice would be 10mm based upon penetration, wound volume, and accuracy. Honorable mention goes to .45ACP. (I have neither caliber; just going by the one shot limit I set) I also don't doubt the big bore revolver calibers, but I wonder if at those levels the extra power adds effectiveness against human aggressors.

Although penetration and wound size govern handgun wounding effectiveness, penetration is the more critical element. Therefore, a minimum standard of 12" of penetration in the gelatin was established. The following penetration results indicate the number and percentage of rounds in each caliber that met or exceeded the 12" minimum:

10mm - 39 shots out of 40 (97.5%) .45 - 37 shots out of 40 (92.5%) 9mm - 27 shots out of 40 (67.5%) http://www.zoklet.net/totse/en/bad_ideas/guns_and_weapons/10mmpist.html

As a side note I'd like to register my concern regarding the intellectual health of Glock Talk, after witnessing the inexplicable and rapid closing of some recent threads.

Specifically, ...

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1161126

... and ...

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1165386

Are there now views and opinions that one dare not challenge? I certainly hope the recent trend doesn't foretell of a spreading orthodoxy, complete with a priesthood who have all the answers. I hope this thread doesn't suffer the same fate.

hotpig
01-10-2010, 14:26
I feel many threads outlive their usefulness. Most should be shut down by the time they reach the third page. At that point most have strayed from the original posters thought and are getting personal for some.

Glolt20-91
01-10-2010, 14:42
Thanks for all your opinions. For the record my considered choice would be 10mm based upon penetration, wound volume, and accuracy. Honorable mention goes to .45ACP. (I have neither caliber; just going by the one shot limit I set) I also don't doubt the big bore revolver calibers, but I wonder if at those levels the extra power adds effectiveness against human aggressors.



As a side note I'd like to register my concern regarding the intellectual health of Glock Talk, after witnessing the inexplicable and rapid closing of some recent threads.

Specifically, ...

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1161126

... and ...

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1165386

Are there now views and opinions that one dare not challenge? I certainly hope the recent trend doesn't foretell of a spreading orthodoxy, complete with a priesthood who have all the answers. I hope this thread doesn't suffer the same fate.

Handloaded 10mm/180gr sectional density (.161) comparison should have been .45/230gr (.161); not the lower sectional density 185gr (.130). So, what caliber does FBI SWAT/HRT carry??? . . . none other than the .45auto.

Here's a heads up sectional density comparison from Double Tap ammo;

All of these tests were done using 10% ballistic gelatin provided by Vyse gelatin using all FBI protocols and 4 layers of denim and two layers of light cotton T-shirt in front of the gelatin.
9mm +P
147gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1125fps - 14.00" / .66"

.40 S&W
180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1100fps - 14.75" / .68"

10mm
180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1300fps - 15.25" / .96"

.45auto
230gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1010fps - 15.25" / .95"

9x25mm
147gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1550fps - 17.5" / .68"

Next higher sectional density grouping (.179/200gr, .177/158gr);


.40 S&W
200gr XTP @ 1050fps - 17.75" / .59"

.357mag
158gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1400fps - 19.0" .56"

10mm
200gr XTP @ 1250fps - 19.5" / .72"

"TWO HOLES BLEED BETTER THAN ONE!"
www.doubletapammo.com
For the 10mm enthusiast!
Last edited by MCNETT on 06-21-2005 at 03:59 PM


I expect a .357mag/158gr XTP would be a deeper penetrator than the Gold Dot based upon the XTP design.

These Brass Fetch tests completely penetrated the gel block;

http://www.brassfetcher.com/index.html
Ammunition :9x19mm Remington 147gr Golden Saber JHP (.167)

Block Calibration : All depths are corrected depths (590 ft/sec @ 10.7cm)

Shot 1 : Impacted at 993ft/sec, penetrated to 14.5" and had an average diameter of 0.618".

Shot 2 : Impacted at 982ft/sec, penetrated to 14.5" and had an average diameter of 0.612".

Shot 3 : Impacted at 981ft/sec, penetrated to 14.5" and had an average diameter of 0.622".

Shot 4 : Impacted at 959ft/sec, penetrated to 14.5" and had an average diameter of 0.627".

Shot 5 : Impacted at 962ft/sec, penetrated to 14.5" and had an average diameter of 0.613".
Cartridge : Speer 125 grain Gold Dot hollowpoint (load #23920)

Firearm : .357 Magnum revolver with 4.0" barrel length.

Calibration : 10.0 0.05cm and 591 0.500 ft/sec impact velocity.

Bullet impacted at 1432 0.500 ft/sec, penetrated 16.0 0.031" and out of the block and had a recovered diameter of 0.651 0.0005".


Penetration of the .357/170gr (.191) Gold Dot/180gr (.202) Partition would be off the chart with outstanding accuracy.

Bob :cowboy:

G23c
01-10-2010, 17:27
G23c, loaded with the Ranger T that I bought from Hotpig.

rgregoryb
01-10-2010, 17:33
Browning HP........from God's lips to Browning's ear.........and a FAL.

conpro
01-10-2010, 20:42
9mm from my g19 because it holds 15 rounds and 1 in the chamber makes 16 ready to fire.

fredj338
01-10-2010, 23:11
Didin't we go here once before?:poke: 1911PD, any decent JHP. WHy, because it's the easiest pistol for me to get good, accurate hits w/ from contact to 25yds.

Glolt20-91
01-10-2010, 23:41
9mm from my g19 because it holds 15 rounds and 1 in the chamber makes 16 ready to fire.

One must admire your extraordinary ability to place 16 rounds on target before a felon can fire back. :wow: :50cal:

Bob :cowboy:

snair
01-11-2010, 00:09
the glock 17 9mm i carry every day

GLShooter
01-12-2010, 16:15
I'll play but I preface my remarks with the statement that I'll use anything available in the stated scenario and make sure that one round goes where it is supposed to!!

My choice (at this time) is a Star PD loaded with 230 grain WW hardball. Good penetration, accurate, and the pistol is small enough to ALWAYS be with me outside of the house.

Greg L.

bfg1971
01-14-2010, 10:00
G-20 with DT 165 gr gold dots. What can I say, I like wound volume along with a few backup rounds just in case.

Now if I'm going looking for trouble then I'm grabbing the Shotgun. 15 pellet OO buck.

unit1069
01-14-2010, 20:01
As a side note I'd like to register my concern regarding the intellectual health of Glock Talk, after witnessing the inexplicable and rapid closing of some recent threads.

Yep. Today another thread was quickly closed, as if there are some topics the ballistics demigods have decreed are not to be discussed, debated, or explored even when the tread doesn't exhibit any animosity.

Kind of like, "We've told you man-made global warming is what we say it is and we're not going to allow anybody to dispute it"!

bac1023
01-14-2010, 20:27
45acp

fsqridah
01-14-2010, 20:32
This:

http://www.fototime.com/6C268041CD7E543/orig.jpg

Shot placement is key because if you miss, you'll have to throw your heels at them.

CTM_357
01-14-2010, 20:42
S&W 4" 686, Remington 125 SJHP. It's the round the rest of handgun loads aspire to be...


This but make mine a 6".:wavey:

RyanSBHF
01-14-2010, 20:45
.600 Nitro revolver.

http://www.funis2cool.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/pfeifer-zeliska-600-nitro-express-revolver-05.jpg

http://www.funis2cool.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/pfeifer-zeliska-600-nitro-express-revolver-01.jpg

AJSully421
01-16-2010, 22:00
If we are talking hypothetical... I would take a .40 round loaded with an unobtanium bullet.

In reality... I would have my G22 loaded with 180 grain HST... which is basically the same thing.

hurley842002
01-16-2010, 22:47
Yep. Today another thread was quickly closed, as if there are some topics the ballistics demigods have decreed are not to be discussed, debated, or explored even when the tread doesn't exhibit any animosity.

Kind of like, "We've told you man-made global warming is what we say it is and we're not going to allow anybody to dispute it"!

I must say, as much as I enjoy hangin out here on GT, I too notice threads get closed for what I don't feel to be legitimate reasons. I'm a member of several other forums, everything from Jeeps to 4wheeling to guns, and unless things are getting Offensive and Personal, or the OP requests to have the thread closed, they don't get closed. A little off topic, but the OP brought it up, and I tend to agree.

GRR
01-16-2010, 23:41
Let's say you have the choice of one handgun round/platform with which to defend yourself against a realistic life-or-death encounter such as a carjacking, convenience store holdup, or other threat from an armed and determined criminal.

What pistol, caliber, and handgun round would you choose for the lone chance of survival and what are your reasons for that choice?

So I've shot dry except for one round with no results? Sounds like I'm screwed already. If I couldn't get the job done with my high cap super blaster, one more round probably isn't going to make it any better. Or are you asking what I could draw and put one round to the head with in a life or death standoff? No handgun can be counted on to be decisive enough to keep a bad guy from shooting you back unless you could assure a shot to the brain box. If you're good enough with your 4" 38 special to do that, then that's all you need. Either way is not a very realistic scenario.

BillR
01-17-2010, 08:33
10mm, no question! I'd probably use the DT 180gr. Gold Dot loading.

2 Hawks
01-17-2010, 09:04
Let's say you have the choice of one handgun round/platform with which to defend yourself against a realistic life-or-death encounter such as a carjacking, convenience store holdup, or other threat from an armed and determined criminal.

What pistol, caliber, and handgun round would you choose for the lone chance of survival and what are your reasons for that choice?

My G23, It's what i train with. Confident with it because I train with it. Any expanding round that is reliable in my carry weapon will do. I'd be confident with a G19 (9mm) because I train with firearms in general.

happyguy
01-18-2010, 13:18
Let's say you have the choice of one handgun round/platform with which to defend yourself against a realistic life-or-death encounter such as a carjacking, convenience store holdup, or other threat from an armed and determined criminal.

What pistol, caliber, and handgun round would you choose for the lone chance of survival and what are your reasons for that choice?

I would want a large all steel pistol in 9mm or above. That way I could use it as a club while I waited for the sucker to bleed out.

Regards,
Happyguy :)

Glock-it-to-me
01-18-2010, 13:23
.600 Nitro Express

http://10mmman.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/6a00d83451b54869e2010536ab4a64970b-400wi.jpg

cowboy1964
01-19-2010, 09:21
45 since it has less perceived recoil than my 9mm or 40. I shoot better with it.

What .45 are you shooting that has less recoil than a 9mm??

Gunnut 45/454
01-21-2010, 22:24
Clem Eastwood
I agree 454 Casull 240 gr XTP MAG's at 1800 fps! Now if that don't stop them in there tracks nothing will !!!:rofl::supergrin::rofl: Go ahead BG's wear all the body armor you want -it don't matter!:supergrin:

wavetrain75
01-22-2010, 22:50
.....

GenoTac Ind.
10-30-2011, 20:22
Realistically, it'd be my duty gun G35 with Hydra Shoks 165gr or my G19 in 124gr.

What I would prefer, STI Tactical 5.0 with hydra Shoks 230gr.


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JimIsland
10-30-2011, 20:34
10MM/G20. Why?? because I'm accurate with it and it goes bang every time. Anything hot.....Buffalo Bore, Swampfox, etc.... will get it done.

Wil Ufgood
10-30-2011, 20:35
http://www.dailyencouragement.net/images/family/cherokee_blowgun.jpg

With poison darts of course, then i don't have to worry about shot placement

OctoberRust
10-31-2011, 14:01
One must admire your extraordinary ability to place 16 rounds on target before a felon can fire back. :wow: :50cal:

Bob :cowboy:


..Who says there'd be only one felon?....

Shark1007
11-03-2011, 18:48
If really one shot, I'd choose my .460 Rowland modified .45 and the Corbon 1450fps/834lb energy round.

wavetrain75
11-03-2011, 21:09
Who the hell dredged this up?

cowboy1964
11-03-2011, 22:15
I always chuckle at the "as long as it starts with a 4" opinion. What if .40 was actually .39999999, would it then suck?

tuica
11-04-2011, 16:02
Nothing less than 40 S&W in G23. Most likely 45 (ACP/GAP) in G36, 37, 38, or G39. Prefer the larger calibers. Cheers.

Darkangel1846
11-05-2011, 15:21
Well common sense says that it has to be a conceL carry....so either my Glock 36(.45), Para Ord P12 LDA(.45) or maybe my glock 29(10mm).

mastrbloata
11-05-2011, 16:02
That's easy. Glock 19. It's small enough to conceal effectively, has a great capacity, is ultra reliable as long as you don't limp wrist it:whistling:, and feeds most if not all JHP's. Recoil is easy to deal with and cartridge is generally effective.

LASTRESORT20
11-05-2011, 16:04
Dreamworld, hypothetical single-shot scenario = 10mm
Everything else = 9mm (Citizen: Caliber Acedemic? (http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=934135))


This....^^^

collim1
11-05-2011, 16:11
My P220 with 230g Gold Dots.

mastrbloata
11-05-2011, 16:19
230 grain Ranger T-series out of my Ed Brown
A big, slow moving large caliber projectile produces a larger trama cavity.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/Guns%20and%20stuff/KobraCarryinIvory.jpg

Do you mean "trauma" cavity? My God, what will they think to call it next? Lets see, there's "stretch cavity", "wound channel," etc, etc. Now it's a "trauma cavity?" So when you go to have a round removed from your stomach, is that going to be known as a "trauma canal" to fix the wound made by a "trauma cavity?" Jesus......

tsmo1066
11-05-2011, 19:02
Let's say you have the choice of one handgun round/platform with which to defend yourself against a realistic life-or-death encounter such as a carjacking, convenience store holdup, or other threat from an armed and determined criminal.

What pistol, caliber, and handgun round would you choose for the lone chance of survival and what are your reasons for that choice?

I'd take a .38 special, loaded with a cyanide-tipped hollowpoint like the ones that that Roy Schieder used in "Jaws II".

I mean, if I only get one round...