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Makoman
01-09-2010, 10:47
Hey guy's. I need your help in selection of a 220. I've always been partial to .45's and particularly to 1911's. I was contemplating a combat commander but that 220 just beckons, particularly a 220 Carry. I shot one once and the memory of it really stands out in my mind. It was extremely accurate, and very comfortable in my hands, and pointed very naturally, just like a 1911.

The only dilemma I have now is this. I come to find out they have a SAO model, which makes me want one even more dammit! I have DA pistols but I've always preferred the cocked and locked mode of carry like on a 1911. With practice, disengaging the safety while bringing the weapon to bear has become second nature for me so I'm thinking the transition to the SAO would be pretty easy as compared to going to the DA/SA.

Having a double action first shot with no safety isn't bad either, but guns like that (like the SIG) usually have really heavy double action triggers (to act as a "passive" type of safety I suppose), but that first shot usually ends up being a "throw-away".

I digress however. Here are my questions. Those of you that have the SAO, what do you like or dislike about it? Those of you that have both the SAO and the traditional DA/SA, which one do you like better/prefer and why?

Thanks guys.

Cobra64
01-09-2010, 16:00
Hey guy's. I need your help in selection of a 220. I've always been partial to .45's and particularly to 1911's. I was contemplating a combat commander but that 220 just beckons, particularly a 220 Carry. I shot one once and the memory of it really stands out in my mind. It was extremely accurate, and very comfortable in my hands, and pointed very naturally, just like a 1911.

The only dilemma I have now is this. I come to find out they have a SAO model, which makes me want one even more dammit! I have DA pistols but I've always preferred the cocked and locked mode of carry like on a 1911. With practice, disengaging the safety while bringing the weapon to bear has become second nature for me so I'm thinking the transition to the SAO would be pretty easy as compared to going to the DA/SA.

Having a double action first shot with no safety isn't bad either, but guns like that (like the SIG) usually have really heavy double action triggers (to act as a "passive" type of safety I suppose), but that first shot usually ends up being a "throw-away".

I digress however. Here are my questions. Those of you that have the SAO, what do you like or dislike about it? Those of you that have both the SAO and the traditional DA/SA, which one do you like better/prefer and why?

Thanks guys.Great observations and a concern I addressed not too long ago.

All of my self defense pistols are DA/SA for the reason you mentioned regarding the "...heavy double action triggers (to act as a "passive" type of safety)..." and that is why I will not own a Glock or any other striker fired pistol. Every week there is a Glock thread, "How do you store your Glock on a nightstand in case I wake up and pull the trigger by accident?" I guess they forgot their own mantra about "the safety is between your ears." Anyway, my P220ST sits on my nightstand hammer down.

Learning how to operate the DA of a DA/SA takes practice to become proficient and accurate; and actually fun. Just as mag changes are fun and good excercize. (The G17s with 33 round mags miss out on this operation.)

As for my 1911s, I never carry one, nor is one on my nightstand. They are strictly for bullseye action fun.

My suggestion is to think through each gun's applications, and what you feel most comforatble doing.

Makoman
01-09-2010, 16:36
Thanks for the reply Cobra. I'm really considering the double action now as well. In doing my research, I've come to find out that SIG offers a Short Reset Trigger kit for ther DA/SA guns. One of the things I liked about the SAO is that it's trigger really does "break like glass" as claimed on SIG's website. Besides reducing trigger reset by 60%, I'm guessing that the SRT setup might make the SA trigger pull on the standard DA/SA feel very similar to the SAO's.

Not having handled an SRT equipped gun myself I can't personally attest to this. I'd like to be able to get the SRT kit myself and install it, that way if I don't like it I can always go back to the original setup without having to fork out all that extra cash to have SIG do the work. I've detail stripped many a 1911 and some other guns so I don't have a problem doing the work myself, but it seems almost like getting an SRT kit is the equivalent to searching for the holy grail!

Cobra64
01-09-2010, 17:39
Thanks for the reply Cobra. I'm really considering the double action now as well. In doing my research, I've come to find out that SIG offers a Short Reset Trigger kit for ther DA/SA guns. One of the things I liked about the SAO is that it's trigger really does "break like glass" as claimed on SIG's website. Besides reducing trigger reset by 60%, I'm guessing that the SRT setup might make the SA trigger pull on the standard DA/SA feel very similar to the SAO's.

Not having handled an SRT equipped gun myself I can't personally attest to this. I'd like to be able to get the SRT kit myself and install it, that way if I don't like it I can always go back to the original setup without having to fork out all that extra cash to have SIG do the work. I've detail stripped many a 1911 and some other guns so I don't have a problem doing the work myself, but it seems almost like getting an SRT kit is the equivalent to searching for the holy grail!

Be carefull with your expectations with the Short Rest Trigger. It's not the magic trigger that many think it is. Some say that creep is longer than with the standard trigger action.

Lots to read here:

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/207102462?r=953104462#953104462

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/3971095361/p/1

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/976101541?r=203109741#203109741



Alll of my work is done by Grayguns who not only did the sight and cometic work, but also put in his proprietary Competition Action Package that includes his SRT design. Bruce Gray is, or was, a contractor for Sig in Exeter. He's actually fixed some of their engineering and design SNAFUS.

Makoman
01-09-2010, 18:39
Thanks for those links Cobra, that's a lot of great info!

RedTape
01-10-2010, 01:51
If you want to give DA/SA a try, don't worry about the trigger. The DA is just good practice. You can always send it to GrayGuns and get your trigger woes fixed. My 220 is my most accurate .45. Right up there with both of my father's Series 70 Colts.

Makoman
01-10-2010, 02:08
That's what I'm leaning toward Red Tape. Prolly a 220R Carry. I like the Beavertail Grip of the Elite but living in Commiefornia, it's not on the DOJ's "approved" list.. The regular grip frame feels just fine though don't know if that beavertail would end up being worth the added cost. I really like the 220 in that size though, I fondled one today and I liked it alot!

RedTape
01-10-2010, 02:23
I hear ya. I'd love to get a 220 Carry to go with my fullsize. Since I haven't shot a Carry yet, I can't say whether the beavertail is needed or not, it certainly isn't on a regular 220, although they do look nice. Either way it'll be a sweet shooter.

If you haven't checked Bruce Gray's site out yet, take a look.

http://grayguns.com/

Lots of different options for the trigger.

Makoman
01-10-2010, 02:35
Have you had any trigger work on your SIG's? What did you have done?

RedTape
01-10-2010, 03:10
I'm waiting to get my 228 done with a reduced reset comprehensive duty package. I've shot a 229 with the RRCDP and a 226 with the competition short reset package.

The SA on every Sig I've shot has been excellent. The main thing I dislike about Sig triggers is the long reset. The RRCDP did a great job of shortening it while smoothing up the DA at the same time.

The CSR was a little too light for my taste as I'm not big into the games, although I'm considering using my 228 for IDPA this year.

In my opinion you get ALOT more for your money with GrayGuns rather than shipping your gun to Sig for the SRT. That being said, I've only dry fired the SRT once and it was new, no break-in, so you might check on Sigforum to get some info from people with more experience with that trigger system.

Makoman
01-10-2010, 22:41
The decision is getting even tougher. I went and handled that 220 carry SAO again today. That single action trigger really does break like glass. It's so sweeeet! Plus, it's a consignment gun that's selling for 700 bucks that's hardly been fired. There's absolutely no wear on the feed ramp at all.

Everywhere else around me, these and the DA/SA are selling for mid to high 800's new. I think it's not too bad of a deal.

Cobra64
01-10-2010, 22:58
Have you had any trigger work on your SIG's? What did you have done?

I've known Bruce for almost four years and can say that he is the finest Sig pistolsmith in the United States. He's consulted with folks in Exeter and has taught at Sig Sauer Academy.

At a class last year I asked if he'd like to turn my six year old P226ST into an SL.

A year ago...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1000565.jpg





Today with Competition Action Package with Grayguns proprietary short reset trigger, Dawson fiber optic front sight, Warren Tactical rear sight, tac rails removed, and Superblack finish:


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1020528.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1020550.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1020549.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P226/P1020546.jpg




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Makoman
01-10-2010, 23:03
You would have to show me that wouldn't you?:faint: That sig look mitghty fine, That sight setup is nice too. Gives me ideas, don't give me any more, you're tormenting me!

Cobra64
01-10-2010, 23:11
You would have to show me that wouldn't you?:faint: That sig look mitghty fine, That sight setup is nice too. Gives me ideas, don't give me any more, you're tormenting me!

Hey, I'm just tryin' to get you to spend yer money. It's good for the economy. :supergrin:

Seriously, call Bruce and explain to him what you want. He's really a nice guy, very patient, and knows more about guns (not just Sigs) than anyone you'll ever meet.

RedTape
01-11-2010, 01:08
Ohhhh :drool:

Now I want a 226! I need a second job.

Cobra64
01-11-2010, 01:24
Ohhhh :drool:

Now I want a 226! I need a second job.

Me too! I've been out of work for over a year.

Anyway, the 220 is a fine piece, especially for HD use, but with mine having a DA/SA trigger, probably not as fun to shoot as the 220 SAO.


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P220/P1000579.jpg




http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P220/P1000576.jpg




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Glock-it-to-me
01-11-2010, 01:35
DAK trigger?

Cobra64
01-11-2010, 01:42
DAK trigger?The de-cocking lever on the 220 indicates that it's DA/SA.

Larry V
01-11-2010, 20:09
I bought a Sig 220 Carry right before Christmas and I am absolutely in love with the gun. Its DA/ SA and it shoots like a dream!!!! I all have a 226 and 229 in 40 with the same trigger and they are tack drivers. Can't go wrong with the 220

Makoman
01-12-2010, 20:05
Is that so Larry? How 'bout some pics to tantalize us a bit?

Larry V
01-12-2010, 21:21
Is that so Larry? How 'bout some pics to tantalize us a bit?

My Pleasure, Not the best pics but you get the idea

Makoman
01-12-2010, 21:43
Sweet. 3 little pigs, or should I say sigs, in a blanket!

Screaming .357G
01-13-2010, 08:36
I have a Sig 220R SAO full size and love it. It is in many ways a modern 1911.
It feeds/extracts anything,the safty is in the right spot if you are used to a 1911, and the single action is great.

Really like this gun and have nothing but good things to say about it.
:supergrin:

Makoman
01-22-2010, 00:21
I have a Sig 220R SAO full size and love it. It is in many ways a modern 1911.
It feeds/extracts anything,the safty is in the right spot if you are used to a 1911, and the single action is great.

Really like this gun and have nothing but good things to say about it.
:supergrin:

I've been wondering. Since I'm planning on the carry version which has a 4" bbl, would it be better to shoot a lighter weight bullet like a 180 grain, or would it be wiser to stick with 230's?

TACC GLOCK
01-22-2010, 00:27
I own a 220 carry in stainless and love it. It is a tack driver and very concealable.

Screaming .357G
01-27-2010, 07:42
I shoot 230 grain out of all my .45s

kc lefty
02-20-2010, 20:26
Mako,

Just bought the same exact gun for the same exact reasons you described.

I am a 1911 guy like you but wanted a modern 45. This is my first SIG but not first double action. I got a huge, huge steal on this gun and just bought it thinking the same things you think.

Just fired it for the first time two days ago. It was for sure different. Good but different. Pistol runs fine. The SAO trigger is different but I got used to it pretty quick.

Gun handles well on WWB. That is the only factory I shot through it.

I will say that my standard 1911 reloads DID NOT work well in this pistol but they are very light and the gun (bought used) has had less than 200 rounds through it.

I will be shooting it again tomorrow and let you know how it turns out with new reloads.

Hey guy's. I need your help in selection of a 220. I've always been partial to .45's and particularly to 1911's. I was contemplating a combat commander but that 220 just beckons, particularly a 220 Carry. I shot one once and the memory of it really stands out in my mind. It was extremely accurate, and very comfortable in my hands, and pointed very naturally, just like a 1911.

The only dilemma I have now is this. I come to find out they have a SAO model, which makes me want one even more dammit! I have DA pistols but I've always preferred the cocked and locked mode of carry like on a 1911. With practice, disengaging the safety while bringing the weapon to bear has become second nature for me so I'm thinking the transition to the SAO would be pretty easy as compared to going to the DA/SA.

Having a double action first shot with no safety isn't bad either, but guns like that (like the SIG) usually have really heavy double action triggers (to act as a "passive" type of safety I suppose), but that first shot usually ends up being a "throw-away".

I digress however. Here are my questions. Those of you that have the SAO, what do you like or dislike about it? Those of you that have both the SAO and the traditional DA/SA, which one do you like better/prefer and why?

Thanks guys.

kc lefty
02-20-2010, 20:51
Cobra,

Please help me understand something.

I looked at the SIG site for the SRT. I have the 220 SAO. As I read the site the SRT CAN NOT be added to the SAO correct?

Am I seeing that correct? Mr Greys site says the SRT CAN BE added to the SAO?

I am confused here.

Thanks for the help for the new Sig guy.

Be carefull with your expectations with the Short Rest Trigger. It's not the magic trigger that many think it is. Some say that creep is longer than with the standard trigger action.

Lots to read here:

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/207102462?r=953104462#953104462

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/3971095361/p/1

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/976101541?r=203109741#203109741



Alll of my work is done by Grayguns who not only did the sight and cometic work, but also put in his proprietary Competition Action Package that includes his SRT design. Bruce Gray is, or was, a contractor for Sig in Exeter. He's actually fixed some of their engineering and design SNAFUS.

Cobra64
02-20-2010, 22:18
Sweet. 3 little pigs, or should I say sigs, in a blanket!


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P1000523-Louis.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/SIGTHREELITTLEPIGS.jpg




:)

Cobra64
02-20-2010, 22:30
Cobra,

Please help me understand something.

I looked at the SIG site for the SRT. I have the 220 SAO. As I read the site the SRT CAN NOT be added to the SAO correct?

Am I seeing that correct? Mr Greys site says the SRT CAN BE added to the SAO?

I am confused here.

Thanks for the help for the new Sig guy.

Lefty, what I've discovered is that SIG's web site is not always accurate. There have been times when they've illustrated a DAK with a DA/SA caption, wrong models, dropped models that were still in production...

Gryaguns' shop works on 2-300 SIGs a year. He knows his stuff.

When in doubt... give him a shout. 541.468.3840

tooouter
02-20-2010, 23:24
Cobra,

Please help me understand something.

I looked at the SIG site for the SRT. I have the 220 SAO. As I read the site the SRT CAN NOT be added to the SAO correct?

Am I seeing that correct? Mr Greys site says the SRT CAN BE added to the SAO?

I am confused here.

Thanks for the help for the new Sig guy.

This is a common question. The Sig factory SAO reset is shorter than the SRT reset, no modification needed. I have a P220 SAO Match and a P220ST Carry Elite (with SRT). I haven't been compelled to have any smith work done to either trigger. Sure, a guy like Bruce Grey can make the SAO and the SRT even better and shorten the reset on either but after shooting both, I don't see much benefit for my application. If I were to really get into competitive shooting, I'd send them off to Bruce. I have done a couple of "do-it-yourself" mods i.e. spring weight changes to the P220ST Carry Elite and the Greyguns DIY Competition Upgrade Kit to the P220 SAO Match.

If you just want a little but noticeable improvement over stock, the DIY Competition Upgrade Kit can be had for less than $50 and includes all the springs you need and a titanium reduced-mass firing pin block. The kit was easy for me to install and it really does lighten the trigger pull (but obviously doesn't change reset). There is also a version of the kit for carry purposes with different springs. You can find out more about it here: http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/9141039551/p/1

tooouter
02-20-2010, 23:33
I've been wondering. Since I'm planning on the carry version which has a 4" bbl, would it be better to shoot a lighter weight bullet like a 180 grain, or would it be wiser to stick with 230's?

Stick with the 230 grainers. The Carry models perceived recoil less than or equal to the full length P220's. Why? The mass of the Carry slide is identical to the full size slide and they are sprung differently. If you look at the Carry slide, you'll notice that the cuts on the sides of the slide aren't as deep as those on the full size slide.

As far as deciding which trigger, the DA/SA SRT doesn't have quite as good of a SA pull as the SAO does but it's not a drastic difference. The standard DA/SA vs SAO is a night and day comparison though. Just pick whichever you're comfortable with.

Cobra64
02-20-2010, 23:48
This is a common question. The Sig factory SAO reset is shorter than the SRT reset, no modification needed. I have a P220 SAO Match and a P220ST Carry Elite (with SRT). I haven't been compelled to have any smith work done to either trigger. Sure, a guy like Bruce Grey can make the SAO and the SRT even better and shorten the reset on either but after shooting both, I don't see much benefit for my application. If I were to really get into competitive shooting, I'd send them off to Bruce. I have done a couple of "do-it-yourself" mods i.e. spring weight changes to the P220ST Carry Elite and the Greyguns DIY Competition Upgrade Kit to the P220 SAO Match.

If you just want a little but noticeable improvement over stock, the DIY Competition Upgrade Kit can be had for less than $50 and includes all the springs you need and a titanium reduced-mass firing pin block. The kit was easy for me to install and it really does lighten the trigger pull (but obviously doesn't change reset). There is also a version of the kit for carry purposes with different springs. You can find out more about it here: http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/9141039551/p/1

I agree that the SAO shouldn't need anything. Actually the SRT is only needed if you're in competition. For most of us, it takes longer to acquire/re-acquire the target than to reset the trigger. As it is, I've been known to double with a stock trigger; and that's probably because I've taken so many Grayguns classes, I'm pretty good on trigger prep. :)

As for the firing pin kit, Bruce gave those kits to us at an armorers class just after he and Scott developed them. He also put one in my P226 at its 20,000 round tune-up. :)

wingsprint
02-21-2010, 02:08
Hopefully, Bruce is recovering well from his recent heart attack. He is one hell of a gunsmith, world class shooter and one of the nicest guys you will ever meet.

Cobra64
02-21-2010, 02:25
Hopefully, Bruce is recovering well from his recent heart attack. He is one hell of a gunsmith, world class shooter and one of the nicest guys you will ever meet.

He's doing well and resting up.

He is a hell of a guy.... and a hell of a 1911 pistolsmith.


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Grayguns%20Classes/GraygunsSW1911GGIHardtail.jpg






At a Grayguns class in Boone, NC a few years ago, I asked him to fit a new front sight on my P226ST...


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Grayguns%20Classes/BRUCEREMOVINGBEAVERTAIL2.jpg






He has a certain way of dealing with his students who aren't paying attention during class...


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Grayguns%20Classes/BrucePrepthetrigger3.jpg


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Grayguns%20Classes/BruceGray02.jpg




:rofl:

kc lefty
02-21-2010, 09:28
Cobra,

Got another question for you then. When I pull the trigger on the SAO vs the trigger on the SRT (say an Elite) I feel a vast differnce.

To me the SRT travels less than 1/8" with a very crisp click/pressure for the next pull. The SAO travels at least 1/4"-1/2" with a click and a soggy feel for the next pull.

You say that there not much difference. Me being new the gun (and I mean really new to SIG) to me it feels huge and I like the really short hard reset so if it can be done, I would like to get it.

I will shoot it more and I am sure I will better with it I just like the feel of the Elite trigger.

Am I correct in my assumptions?

I will call the greys and see what they say.

Thanks for the hellp.

This is a common question. The Sig factory SAO reset is shorter than the SRT reset, no modification needed. I have a P220 SAO Match and a P220ST Carry Elite (with SRT). I haven't been compelled to have any smith work done to either trigger. Sure, a guy like Bruce Grey can make the SAO and the SRT even better and shorten the reset on either but after shooting both, I don't see much benefit for my application. If I were to really get into competitive shooting, I'd send them off to Bruce. I have done a couple of "do-it-yourself" mods i.e. spring weight changes to the P220ST Carry Elite and the Greyguns DIY Competition Upgrade Kit to the P220 SAO Match.

If you just want a little but noticeable improvement over stock, the DIY Competition Upgrade Kit can be had for less than $50 and includes all the springs you need and a titanium reduced-mass firing pin block. The kit was easy for me to install and it really does lighten the trigger pull (but obviously doesn't change reset). There is also a version of the kit for carry purposes with different springs. You can find out more about it here: http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/9141039551/p/1

tooouter
02-21-2010, 10:21
Cobra,

Got another question for you then. When I pull the trigger on the SAO vs the trigger on the SRT (say an Elite) I feel a vast differnce.

To me the SRT travels less than 1/8" with a very crisp click/pressure for the next pull. The SAO travels at least 1/4"-1/2" with a click and a soggy feel for the next pull.

You say that there not much difference. Me being new the gun (and I mean really new to SIG) to me it feels huge and I like the really short hard reset so if it can be done, I would like to get it.

I will shoot it more and I am sure I will better with it I just like the feel of the Elite trigger.

Am I correct in my assumptions?

I will call the greys and see what they say.

Thanks for the hellp.

I think you might be adding some trigger take-up to your measurements. To find the reset points: i) Dry Fire without releasing the trigger ii) Hold the trigger to the rear iii) rack the slide while still holding the trigger to the rear iv) after the slide is back into battery, slowly let the trigger go forward v) when you hear a click you've found your reset point.

I have both models in front of me right now, the SAO is has a reset a couple of millimeters shorter than the SRT. I'm at work though so I don't have my micrometer to make exact measurements. I think the SAO has a reset just a hare longer than my S&W1911, which is pretty darned good.

I'll be out of town for another 10 days or so, when I get home I'll get exact measurements of various reset lengths, SAO vs SRT vs non-SRT DA/SA vs 1911. Maybe somebody out there has already done that, but I' haven't seen it anywhere.

tooouter
02-21-2010, 10:42
I agree that the SAO shouldn't need anything. Actually the SRT is only needed if you're in competition. For most of us, it takes longer to acquire/re-acquire the target than to reset the trigger. As it is, I've been known to double with a stock trigger; and that's probably because I've taken so many Grayguns classes, I'm pretty good on trigger prep. :)

As for the firing pin kit, Bruce gave those kits to us at an armorers class just after he and Scott developed them. He also put one in my P226 at its 20,000 round tune-up. :)

You're point that it takes longer to re-acquire the target than to reset the trigger is probably the biggest point missed by most people. Reset length for me only becomes critical when I'm shooting really light target hand-loads or in a very low recoil gun. My P220ST Carry Elite (and of course steel framed 1911's) is the only .45 I own that I can take advantage of the short reset length with full powered loads. Even the P220 SAO match with the alloy frame is limited by target acquisition time rather than reset with full power loads.

Bottom line, As long as target re-acquisition takes longer than reset, no trigger modification will reduce your times. We tend to always want "the best" even though we can't practically take advantage of the best.

tooouter
02-21-2010, 12:40
I think you might be adding some trigger take-up to your measurements. To find the reset points: i) Dry Fire without releasing the trigger ii) Hold the trigger to the rear iii) rack the slide while still holding the trigger to the rear iv) after the slide is back into battery, slowly let the trigger go forward v) when you hear a click you've found your reset point.

I have both models in front of me right now, the SAO is has a reset a couple of millimeters shorter than the SRT. I'm at work though so I don't have my micrometer to make exact measurements. I think the SAO has a reset just a hare longer than my S&W1911, which is pretty darned good.

I'll be out of town for another 10 days or so, when I get home I'll get exact measurements of various reset lengths, SAO vs SRT vs non-SRT DA/SA vs 1911. Maybe somebody out there has already done that, but I' haven't seen it anywhere.

After messing around with them a bit more, I noticed the SAO has about 1.5mm or so less over-travel than the SRT does. The SAO has probably less than 1mm of over-travel, I haven't found anything other than a 1911 that's better in that aspect. Add the shorter reset and the decreased over-travel of the SAO make it on paper a real significant difference. When I'm shooting them both though, I the difference doesn't seem as huge.

Cobra64
02-21-2010, 13:51
Cobra,

Got another question for you then. When I pull the trigger on the SAO vs the trigger on the SRT (say an Elite) I feel a vast differnce.

To me the SRT travels less than 1/8" with a very crisp click/pressure for the next pull. The SAO travels at least 1/4"-1/2" with a click and a soggy feel for the next pull.

You say that there not much difference. Me being new the gun (and I mean really new to SIG) to me it feels huge and I like the really short hard reset so if it can be done, I would like to get it.

I will shoot it more and I am sure I will better with it I just like the feel of the Elite trigger.

Am I correct in my assumptions?

I will call the greys and see what they say.

Thanks for the hellp.

Lefty, are you referring to take up or reset? I'd call Bruce and discuss this with him. He worked wonders on my 226ST DA/SA and will guide you on your SAO.