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ithaca_deerslayer
01-11-2010, 10:45
Weren't the vast majority of 1911 grips during and after WWII arched in the back?

But if you look at new guns listed today, most of them have the flat grip in the back. Why the change?

I realize the original version of the 1911 had a flat grip, but that changed with the A1 version, right? So why are many manufacturers changing back in recent years?

krunchnik
01-11-2010, 11:05
For me the flat MSH is a lot more comfortable for shooting,seems I can gat a better grip on the pistol.Thats just my preference.

ithaca_deerslayer
01-11-2010, 11:24
I guess I understand that some people will like the arched, and some will like the flat. Maybe the market forces just pushed the manufacturers toward the flat?

bac1023
01-11-2010, 11:35
Arched housing usually go nicely with a short trigger as seen on USGI 1911A1s. The original 1911 had a flat MSH.

The A1 came along in the early 20's.

Ian
01-11-2010, 12:43
:needspics:

TedG954
01-11-2010, 12:54
I have large hands and the arched housing is best for me. Also, I use a short trigger to allow the most room between the trigger and the guard.

krunchnik
01-11-2010, 13:18
:needspics:

Heres a couple with the flat MSH
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx272/krunchnik/IMG_0926.jpg

http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx272/krunchnik/IMG_0918.jpg

http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx272/krunchnik/IMG_0911.jpg

okie
01-11-2010, 14:14
For me the flat MSH is a lot more comfortable for shooting,seems I can gat a better grip on the pistol.Thats just my preference.

This:supergrin::wavey:

Jim S.
01-11-2010, 15:19
I like the arched mainspring housing. I also like a long trigger.
Big hands with long fingers.
If they didn't come with an arched MSH I always change them out to have the arched.
I guess thats why I like the Glock 21's so much.

speedsix
01-11-2010, 23:44
Every 1911 I get will have an arched MSH installed if it didn't come that way. It is a big deal to me. It changes the way the gun feels enough to spend the time and money to do it.

FLIPPER 348
01-12-2010, 00:13
I have large hands and the arched housing is best for me. Also, I use a short trigger to allow the most room between the trigger and the guard.

this set-up is best for larger hands

ronin.45
01-12-2010, 00:53
I like the feel of the flat better.

Ian
01-12-2010, 07:25
Thanks Krunchnik.
Anyone have any photos of arched MSH to compare please?

samuse
01-12-2010, 22:33
I much prefer arched and swap mine out with an Ed Brown before I even shoot the gun. My Les Baer wears a 30LPI Baer MSH to match the front strap. I actually like the arched because it makes the grip feel more like a Glock grip, probably why most folks like the flat ones.

Geeorge
01-13-2010, 05:15
I like the arched one myself ,it puts the point of aim right on.

With the flat one the point of aim is way low.

I like my guns to be very close on the POA as somethimes there may not be alot of time to aim,just point and shoot

S&W revolvers and glocks have a great POA for me

kptaylor
01-13-2010, 15:33
Thanks Krunchnik.
Anyone have any photos of arched MSH to compare please?

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/33000424/Images/1/4000650s.jpg

Ian
01-13-2010, 15:39
Thanks kptaylor, so much to learn about 1911's

Surely the arched is going to make trigger reach longer.
What I really, really love about my 1911 is that the trigger reach is much less than any of my Glocks.
This will make it much easier for people to shoot with smaller hands.

ipscshooter
01-13-2010, 16:09
Surely the arched is going to make trigger reach longer.


I'm not sure that it really does if you use a high grip. The arch is toward the bottom of the hand. I prefer arched and short trigger. The arch seems to fill in open space as I grip the gun riding the safety. It's one of those things that really depend on how your hands are built. Nice thing about 1911's. You can easily change grips, MS hsg., etc.

deadite
01-13-2010, 17:37
Arched housing usually go nicely with a short trigger as seen on USGI 1911A1s. The original 1911 had a flat MSH.

The A1 came along in the early 20's.


Correct-amundo! :)

Colt 1911 made in 1918
http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/colt1911small.jpg


Norinco 1911A1
http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/P8310004.jpg

I can't decide which I like better. Maybe, the flat MSH?

deadite

Sweet
01-13-2010, 18:43
This is my 1943 Ithaca & the Springfield Armory G.I 1911

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8523/ith.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1838/sa1x.jpg

Ingalls
01-13-2010, 19:05
The original 1911s had the flat msh and long trigger, but it was found most GIs were shooting low. The powers to be thought that by arching the msh, it would raise the muzzle. In reality, the problem was actually inexperienced shooting, and guys were anticipating recoil and pushing the muzzle down.

DesertEagle.45
01-13-2010, 21:02
But none of them fit as nice as a bobtail.:supergrin:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h187/fierophreak/DSC00923.jpg

Officer's Match
01-13-2010, 21:06
Thanks Krunchnik.
Anyone have any photos of arched MSH to compare please?

Arched on left, straight on right:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/sly250r/Colts/IMG_0018_1.jpg

The_Drizzle
01-13-2010, 21:21
I think the best way to go is arched MSH in full size, and flat in officer size.

deadite
01-14-2010, 09:09
But none of them fit as nice as a bobtail.:supergrin:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h187/fierophreak/DSC00923.jpg

Nice work on that Norinco. :)

deadite

ajgranda
01-14-2010, 09:26
But none of them fit as nice as a bobtail.:supergrin:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h187/fierophreak/DSC00923.jpg

I agree, for me the bobtail is the best fitting pistol for my hand and not just 1911s.

glock2740
01-14-2010, 17:26
I like the flat MSH better.

silversport
01-15-2010, 05:38
I haven't felt the need to change my MSHs so most of my 1911s have the flat ones (as it is the design cue du jour)...but I find that the arched MSHs make the pistol feel a bit different and after the initial adjustment...have no problems with them either...my Springfield Mil Spec is so equipped and I enjoy that pistol as much as the others...
Bill

BuckyP
01-15-2010, 06:35
Funny how everyone looks at the "interchangable backstraps" as a "new" thing. :tongueout:

Personally, I prefer the feel to the arched. I like a grip to have some curves and not feel like a 1x3. However, it seems easier to disengage the grip safety with the flat. :dunno:

ithaca_deerslayer
01-18-2010, 14:06
Well, thought I was shopping for the arched grip.

But then when I held the Taurus ALR with the flat grip, and all their checkering, I said to myself "Oh, now this feels right!" :)