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DannyB
01-16-2010, 22:13
I'm sorry if this is redundant. I have looked and can't find a post with an answer to this question.

Who has the cheapest bullets, shipping included, to your door?

I need some lead for one or two guns and some FMJ, or coated, or whatever they call it for my Glocks.

As far as the lead, I used to buy from Bull-X and thought they had the hardest, best bullets available and would kind of like to have something similar. However, the costs are getting so high that now I am about the point that I don't care if they are like Jello. I can clean the gun real often.

Thanks!

snair
01-16-2010, 22:26
silver star bullets out here in utah for the lead. im not sure what shipping would be though. if you want i can get you the phone number

DannyB
01-16-2010, 22:31
silver star bullets out here in utah for the lead. im not sure what shipping would be though. if you want i can get you the phone number
I just Googled them and didn't find them. If you have a site link or phone number please post it.

Thanks again!!

snair
01-16-2010, 22:38
jim murphy or gerry allred 801 564 0424.

i pay 26 bucks for 500 rounds 200 gr swc 45s. i think 9mm are like 22 bucks a box for 500. great guys to do buisiness with

snair
01-16-2010, 22:41
one of the guys i shoot with brought a laser cast slug and jim put it in the hardness tester thing. the silver stars are actually harder.

Boxerglocker
01-16-2010, 22:56
For lead 9mm, I order from http://uniqueprecisionbullets.com/

9mm 147gr flat point - $48 / 1000

I'm going to be ordering the 40/10mm 180gr flat point, soon as my G23 Storm Lake barrel arrives - $55 / 1000

The owner Yuth is a GT'er and nice guy. Shipping is in Flat rate USPS boxes so $11 for 2K

cray2751
01-16-2010, 23:12
I use Missouri Bullet Co for lead and Precision Delta for fmj.

DannyB
01-16-2010, 23:15
Thanks for the feedback guys! From looking at the big name distributors with the high overheads I was thinking I was stuck with 9 & 40 bullets costing anywhere from twelve to fifteen cents a pop. That was sucking bigtime.

It wasn't that long ago we were buying ammo for that at the store.

After about seventeen years of not reloading I am just now getting back into it. I have my Dillon 550. I had a few pounds of powder and a few thousand primers, and not many bullets left from then, and now I am getting down to some bullet purchases.

cray2751
01-16-2010, 23:18
If you search the web you can find some discounts for Missouri Bullet Co. It saves a little. I will say this though if you are ordering bullets and they offer insurance get it because those flat rate boxes suck that the PO has.

jbrown13
01-17-2010, 14:07
I use Montana Gold for jacketed bullets. You have to buy by the case to get the best deal, but my 115 gr 9mm bullets cost $290 for 4,000 delivered to my door. Your mail carrier will ahte you, but that works out to about 7.25 cents per bullet. Hard to beat that.

https://secure3.mooseweb.com/montanagoldbullet.com/pricelist.tpl

Brass Nazi
01-17-2010, 14:10
Most handgun cartridges do not usually require a particularly hard bullet. In fact if the bullets are too hard they may not seal the bore correctly and will lead the barrel.

Myke_Hart
01-17-2010, 14:43
Buy Hornady products and get free bullets.:wavey:

http://www.hornady.com/promotions/get-loaded

I have recieved over 2000 free bullets from them in the last year.

RLDS45S
01-17-2010, 15:33
For lead look for a local casting vendor, and pick them up at his/her place of business. For plated look at Berry's direct. For Jacketed without a wait.....
Montana Gold can not be beat. PD and Zero can be at a lower cost but with that comes a wait time of a few weeks to longer....depending on where they are at in their production cycles.

The key thing is buying bulk, not piddly amounts of bullets....MG by the case lot. And, if you have to buy lead for delivery then Missouri Bullets are a very good value with excellent delivery time!

dudel
01-17-2010, 15:50
one of the guys i shoot with brought a laser cast slug and jim put it in the hardness tester thing. the silver stars are actually harder.

Not sure why that's a good thing. Too hard a bullet won't obdurate, then gets gas blowby, leading to flame cutting, leading and poor accuracy. A too hard bullet won't expand. Too hard a bullet won't engage the rifling, thus won't stabilize.

In projectiles, harder is not always better. If it were; well, there are things much harder than lead.

Projectile hardness, like powder and load, needs to be matched to the puirpose. For accuracy, I'd want a very soft projectile. For hunting, something a bit harder; but soft enough to expand.

Smoker
01-17-2010, 15:53
I've used Barry's & Missouri bullet lead bullets had good luck with both of them, put the LWD barrel in your Glock & shoot the lead bullets in it.

M1A Shooter
01-17-2010, 15:58
i use MissouriBullets for my .45acp. i get the 200gr LSWC. will be getting some 230gr LRN as well next order. i have also used thei 125gr LRN in 9mm before.

dudel
01-17-2010, 16:01
As far as the lead, I used to buy from Bull-X and thought they had the hardest, best bullets available and would kind of like to have something similar. However, the costs are getting so high that now I am about the point that I don't care if they are like Jello. I can clean the gun real often.

Thanks!

+1 on the Bull-X. I still have a few boxes of 500 of them left on the shelves. I was sorry to learn they are no longer available.

Look into the Berry's or Rainiers. Plated projectiles shoot quite well out of my Glocks with either the standard barrel or the LW. The Berry's have printed some of the tightest groups I've seen out of my G26. Order $50, and they have free shipping (although a recent look at their site seemed to indicate that there was free shipping on all their projectiles). I'll have to check again, as I need to put another order in.

snair
01-17-2010, 16:18
Not sure why that's a good thing. Too hard a bullet won't obdurate, then gets gas blowby, leading to flame cutting, leading and poor accuracy. A too hard bullet won't expand. Too hard a bullet won't engage the rifling, thus won't stabilize.

In projectiles, harder is not always better. If it were; well, there are things much harder than lead.

Projectile hardness, like powder and load, needs to be matched to the puirpose. For accuracy, I'd want a very soft projectile. For hunting, something a bit harder; but soft enough to expand.im not sure, the guys who brought the laser cast seemed to make a deal out of it. to be fair none of us shoot anything but ppc out of 45s with it but it works well.

dudel
01-17-2010, 16:35
im not sure, the guys who brought the laser cast seemed to make a deal out of it. to be fair none of us shoot anything but ppc out of 45s with it but it works well.

They may just be buying into harder is better and not understanding. Not dealing with Viagra here:supergrin:

Here's an interesting read on the topic.
http://www.lasc.us/FryxellCBAlloyObturation.htm

This part might be of interest to them:

No, the numbers are not transposed. The lighter, harder bullet was traveling an average of 58 fps slower than the heavier, softer bullet in what was otherwise identical ammunition. The same amount of chemical energy was released each time the hammer fell, it's just a question of how efficiently that energy was converted into velocity. All else being equal, the lighter bullet should end up going faster, and the fact that it was found to be slower indicates that some of the energy was lost as a result of gas leakage around the linotype bullets.

Or this:

The bottom line is commercial cast bullets are usually cast to a BHN of 24 as a means of damage control, not because hardness makes for a better projectile.

Or this:
http://www.lasc.us/FryxellCommentsCBAlloys.htm

snair
01-17-2010, 16:41
haha thank you

Brass Nazi
01-17-2010, 16:48
The same amount of chemical energy was released each time the hammer fell, it's just a question of how efficiently that energy was converted into velocity.

Not necessarily, If the bullet did not seal properly and the gas escaped around the bullet it would have decreased the chamber pressure. The varying chamber pressure would effect the rate of burn of the powder, in turn it is possible that the amount of powder that was consumed would be different (unburned powder in the ejecta)

dudel
01-17-2010, 16:58
Not necessarily, If the bullet did not seal properly and the gas escaped around the bullet it would have decreased the chamber pressure. The varying chamber pressure would effect the rate of burn of the powder, in turn it is possible that the amount of powder that was consumed would be different (unburned powder in the ejecta)

Could be, but it would be hard to measure that. How much pressure do you need to lose to change the burn rate? However, assuming that is the case, it seems like another strike against the harder projectile. More unburnt powder is going to be a dirtier load as well.

The results of the chrono seemed to show that the lighter, harder bullets were slower than the heavier, softer ones (for what ever reason).

That was an eye opener for me the first time I read it. It's counter intuitive (at least it was for me), but I had similar results with 38 Special 148gr WC in a T/C barrel while lookling for accurate loads. The harder bullet did not shoot as well as the softer one. The harder bullet also leaded more in the throat.

Brass Nazi
01-17-2010, 17:03
1. Could be, but it would be hard to measure that.

2. How much pressure do you need to lose to change the burn rate?



1. Yes it would

2. Any change in pressure has the potential to change the burn rate characteristic of a powder.


The reality is this issue may be insignificant but it cannot be ignored.

GioaJack
01-17-2010, 19:14
Cast your own. It's fun, it's easy, it's cheap and best of all you'll be able to make fun of C4W because he doesn't know how. Who could ask for anything more?

Jack

shotgunred
01-17-2010, 20:42
well you could do it send then send them to me.

40 SW 180 gr please.:supergrin:
That way you get to do it and have fun and I get to be lazy.

21 shooter
01-17-2010, 20:53
For lead 9mm, I order from http://uniqueprecisionbullets.com/

9mm 147gr flat point - $48 / 1000

I'm going to be ordering the 40/10mm 180gr flat point, soon as my G23 Storm Lake barrel arrives - $55 / 1000

The owner Yuth is a GT'er and nice guy. Shipping is in Flat rate USPS boxes so $11 for 2K

Do you have a phone number for them? Having trouble with e-mail. Would like to know how these bullets work in a factory Glock barrel. Thanks.

garyjandfamily
01-17-2010, 22:39
silver star bullets out here in utah for the lead. im not sure what shipping would be though. if you want i can get you the phone number

:agree:

I have a basement full of these guys stuff. I shoot their 38 cal, 40 cal and 44 cal bullets, and they are top quality. I just call them and pick them up when I'm passing through, but I understand that they will load up a USPS flat-rate box for you.
The company is just two guys, Jim Murphy and Gerry Allred. They don't have a huge selection, but they have a top-notch automated casting set-up in Jim's garage. As near as I can tell, they only cast what they shoot. You can e-mail Gerry at geraldallred@msn.com, and he'll send you a price list and shipping information.

snair
01-17-2010, 23:16
:agree:

I have a basement full of these guys stuff. I shoot their 38 cal, 40 cal and 44 cal bullets, and they are top quality. I just call them and pick them up when I'm passing through, but I understand that they will load up a USPS flat-rate box for you.
The company is just two guys, Jim Murphy and Gerry Allred. They don't have a huge selection, but they have a top-notch automated casting set-up in Jim's garage. As near as I can tell, they only cast what they shoot. You can e-mail Gerry at geraldallred@msn.com, and he'll send you a price list and shipping information.
we have had times where we called and said we need 10,000 rounds of 45 and when we get there some of its still warm. i love buying from them

Boxerglocker
01-18-2010, 11:14
Do you have a phone number for them? Having trouble with e-mail. Would like to know how these bullets work in a factory Glock barrel. Thanks.

I would not recommend the use of any lead bullets with a Glock factory barrel. I use lead soley in my LWD G34 and G23 conversion barrel and soon to arrive Storm Lake G23 .40 barrel.
PM sent regarding info request.

WiskyT
01-18-2010, 16:04
The cheapest place to get bullets would be the garage. Like Jack, I have found that the secret to happiness is free bullets. I used to think it was meow, boy was I wrong on that one! Yup, free bullets. I actually cast too many of them and have resorted to just making ingots to guard against the bunny huggers. Every trip to the range I fill up my rendering pot. Once a week I come home from work and plug in mhy hotplate and render down the 12-15# of lead that are in the pot. So I shoot 100 or so bullets a week and bring home enough lead to make 500.

21 shooter
01-18-2010, 16:13
WiskyT--I used to cast bullets for a .45 that I shot IPSC with. Scrounging for lead, not having a good place to cast, and raising kids got to be to much and I stopped casting bullets. This was 25-30 years ago, and there were nowhere near the number of places we have now to get quality bullets. I can remember when I got a Dillon 450 and that was the finest loader on the market!

Also, casting bullets, when you have time, is a hobby all by itself. And you are right, shooting free bullets is the best.

Colorado4Wheel
01-18-2010, 16:57
I can get range lead for about .50 a pound. Does that make it worth casting?

M1A Shooter
01-18-2010, 17:14
thats not bad but a 100lbs of lead in a 5 gallon bucket from a tireshop for the price of a 6pack is better.

Bob2223
01-18-2010, 17:21
I can get range lead for about .50 a pound. Does that make it worth casting?

A pound would make about 47 147 gn bullets.
Or 940 bullets for $10.00
It does take some time to get set up and cast, to me it's definitely worth it.
I cast some more 40 HP's today and just picked up a 6 cavity 150 gn 358 mould at a show Saturday.

Bob

fran m
01-18-2010, 17:40
http://www.betterbullets.com/


Dont know waht his prices are compared to others. Roger has done some reloading for me and is a good guy.

WiskyT
01-18-2010, 18:19
Range scrap works well for low powered loads. I use it for my "target" 40SW loads. I loaded it up with my ball duplication load of 5.4 Unique and the groups started to open up. With 5.0 Bullseye I was starting to get keyholing.

In 38 I have to use Unique for +P. With hot +P loads with Bullseye I get the same problem, keyholing. Target loads with BE are no problem. I can load it pretty hot in 357mag with Unique or slower including fullhouse 2400 loads.

Range scrap has it's limits, but it can do pretty much anything with the right powder ranges.

Also, keep in mind there is a fair bit of waste with scrap. All of those jackets add up and effectively up the price. I couldn't get anything for the jackets because it is so filthy. Too much crud and a magnet will hit on it due to Wolf ammo that ends up in there. Scrap yards are snobby it seems.

You also have to cast it hot for good fill out because there is basically no tin in it. Not a problem, you just turn the pot up. Some guys like to obsess over casting at a low temp. I don't know why really. It's like putting one of those grip plugs on a Glock, they make no sense but some people have to have them.

I melt it down in a 3qt stainless steel sauce pan. After I scrape off the jackets I end up with about 13# of ingots. I get mine for free so I don't know if $0.50 is a good price or not. I'd think it should go for a bit less but you have to take what you can get.

Colorado4Wheel
01-18-2010, 19:53
Range scrap works well for low powered loads. I use it for my "target" 40SW loads. I loaded it up with my ball duplication load of 5.4 Unique and the groups started to open up. With 5.0 Bullseye I was starting to get keyholing.

In 38 I have to use Unique for +P. With hot +P loads with Bullseye I get the same problem, keyholing. Target loads with BE are no problem. I can load it pretty hot in 357mag with Unique or slower including fullhouse 2400 loads.

Range scrap has it's limits, but it can do pretty much anything with the right powder ranges.

Also, keep in mind there is a fair bit of waste with scrap. All of those jackets add up and effectively up the price. I couldn't get anything for the jackets because it is so filthy. Too much crud and a magnet will hit on it due to Wolf ammo that ends up in there. Scrap yards are snobby it seems.

You also have to cast it hot for good fill out because there is basically no tin in it. Not a problem, you just turn the pot up. Some guys like to obsess over casting at a low temp. I don't know why really. It's like putting one of those grip plugs on a Glock, they make no sense but some people have to have them.

I melt it down in a 3qt stainless steel sauce pan. After I scrape off the jackets I end up with about 13# of ingots. I get mine for free so I don't know if $0.50 is a good price or not. I'd think it should go for a bit less but you have to take what you can get.

Well, I need to make 124 gr 1050 FPS rounds. Range scrap and some wheel weights would be what I could get. How is range scrap less usefull then WW?

M1A Shooter
01-18-2010, 20:06
most filler is pure lead as far as i know. its softer than the WW withtin and such mixed in.

GioaJack
01-18-2010, 20:07
Well, I need to make 124 gr 1050 FPS rounds. Range scrap and some wheel weights would be what I could get. How is range scrap less usefull then WW?


Range lead is a mixture of everything; cast bullets, swaged bullets and factory jacketed bullets. The core of factory are a much softer, purer lead, (for expansion) which would make your allow a higher concentration of lead, (a bit softer.)

I used nothing but range lead for years and never really noticed a difference. At the velocity your talking about as long as the bullets are properly sized and lubed you really shouldn't have any problems.

After a full day of shooting you'll be able to remove any slight leading with a normal cleaning.

Oh, that's right, you don't clean your guns after every session. Well, do what I do, have the butler clean them. :supergrin:

Jack

Colorado4Wheel
01-18-2010, 20:14
After a full day of shooting you'll be able to remove any slight leading with a normal cleaning.

Oh, that's right, you don't clean your guns after every session. Well, do what I do, have the butler clean them. :supergrin:

Jack

Allright. Seriously. Thats kinda a issue for me. If I can clean the barrel in 5 mins then it's not a issue at all. But if I have to use special cleaners. Scrub it, let it soak, repeat, etc. Then I don't know if it's worth it. I would get a new barrel for shooting lead.

GioaJack
01-18-2010, 20:37
Allright. Seriously. Thats kinda a issue for me. If I can clean the barrel in 5 mins then it's not a issue at all. But if I have to use special cleaners. Scrub it, let it soak, repeat, etc. Then I don't know if it's worth it. I would get a new barrel for shooting lead.


If God created anything lazier than me he kept it to himself. I don't do anything that requires a lot of effort or the IQ higher than a five year old.

I've never cast with anything other than range lead or WW's and I've never water dropped cast bullets.

I'm not a big fan of high velocity, (don't hunt and always had to carry issue ammo) but I've certainly run .357's at 1100 fps.

Just as you'll always get some copper fouling shooting jacketed, you'll always get some leading shooting lead... only way to avoid either is not to shoot.

I don't own a Lewis Lead Remover or any other lead remover. And like you, I certainly don't clean my guns every time I shoot. Over the last two Sundays I've put 450 cast rounds through my 686 and 300 through my Star PD and other than a slight trace of leading they're certainly in shape to put another 300 rounds through each of them without a problem before cleaning.

One of the secrets to cleaning, (it's simple but few people do it), is to have plenty of brass bore brushes. Even though the look to be in good condition they wear out very quickly and continued use makes cleaning a chore when it shouldn't be.

Go watch a serious bench rest match... the really good shooters run a new brush down the bore 2 or 3 times then s--t can them. I order them 20-30 at a time or pick up a giant handful if I see them on sale somewhere. They're cheap.

If you're worried about the 'potential' softness of range lead just drop a percentage of WW's in your alloy. If you have a 20# pot use a ration of say 16-17#'s range lead and 3-43'S WW'S.

I really don't see you having a problem with a barrel that will shoot lead... I don't have enough experience with Glock barrels, someone else will have to give us guidance on that. Besides... I shoot real man guns. :supergrin:

Jack

Colorado4Wheel
01-18-2010, 21:40
Thanks man, Another excuse shot to hell.

Boxerglocker
01-18-2010, 22:29
One of the secrets to cleaning, (it's simple but few people do it), is to have plenty of brass bore brushes. Even though the look to be in good condition they wear out very quickly and continued use makes cleaning a chore when it shouldn't be.

Go watch a serious bench rest match... the really good shooters run a new brush down the bore 2 or 3 times then s--t can them. I order them 20-30 at a time or pick up a giant handful if I see them on sale somewhere. They're cheap.

Jack


Good Jedi trick to know here Jack.... Thanks

WiskyT
01-19-2010, 15:45
1050fps with a 124 no problem. You just have to use a powder that will not give you leading with that load. So Bullseye might work, but you'll probably need something in the range of Unique.

With the right powder you will basically get no lead. I clean my guns because of the carbon fouling that builds up after several hundred rounds. The only reason I clean the bore on an auto is because I am cleaning the chamber anyway and it's just as easy to run the patch all the way through. I get no leading in my Glocks (stock barrels) with the right combos. I have some commercial hardcast bullets that are much harder than my range scrap and they will put up with high velocity with Bullseye. My scrap bullets won't. I can get the same speed and accuracy with the softer bullets with slower powder.

Colorado4Wheel
01-19-2010, 16:55
I use Solo 1000. It's supposed to be a good powder for lead and no smoke. Besides that I have not clue.

WiskyT
01-19-2010, 17:00
Solo 1000 is right next to Bullseye on the chart so you'll just have to try it and see. It might work with range scrap. WW or a mix of WW and scrap might make it happen. Slower like Unique, Universal etc should definatley be good to go.

dudel
01-19-2010, 18:50
Well, I need to make 124 gr 1050 FPS rounds. Range scrap and some wheel weights would be what I could get. How is range scrap less usefull then WW?

Normally, there is a higher waste rate with range scrap. You have lead, plus jackets and possibly wads. All this has to be removed either by hand or via smelting. After that, you really don't know what you have other than a combination of all lead projectiles of various hardness plus cores of various hardness all in a combination that you don't know what's what.

When you start with wheel weights, you reduce the variables. Stickons even more so. You have clips to scoop out with clipon; tape residue with stickons.

Knowing your alloy makes for a more predictable projectile. On the other hand, if you're just plinking, then most anything will work.

Beware Owner
01-22-2010, 15:28
If you want lead, twoalphabullets.com

BossMaverick
01-24-2010, 10:20
Solo 1000 works good with WW's. I haven't tried anything softer then WW's with solo.

gjk5
01-24-2010, 10:37
Missouri Bullets has been very good to me.

Beware Owner
01-24-2010, 15:15
What I like about twoalpabullets.com is that they're down to earth, never have to deal with backorders, quality's good, and won't say or try anything just to sell you a product. Really, after having dealt with them, I cannot see myself dealing with anybody else. These people ship IMMEDIATELY.

JoleBole
01-25-2010, 13:25
I use Missouri Bullet Co for lead and Precision Delta for fmj.

:thumbsup: for Precision Delta! Cheapest FMJ online :supergrin:

RHVEtte
01-25-2010, 15:10
Not to hijack the thread, but where do you all get cheap rifle bullets? It seems like most, if not all, of those sites deal only in pistol calibers.:dunno:

PBKing
01-25-2010, 15:13
Not to hijack the thread, but where do you all get cheap rifle bullets? It seems like most, if not all, of those sites deal only in pistol calibers.:dunno:
Where have you looked?
HiTech
Wideners
JeffBartlett
Patsreloading

I cant think of any components I would call cheap anymore.

M1A Shooter
01-25-2010, 21:33
wideners is great for rifle bullets. tjconevera has some as well that are at a decent price.

table
01-28-2010, 00:27
cheap bullets, just the topic i was looking for. question, glock says no lead bullets but what about the ones by Rainier? whats the quality for Rainier and Roze for reloads? thanks.

PBKing
01-28-2010, 13:14
cheap bullets, just the topic i was looking for. question, glock says no lead bullets but what about the ones by Rainier? whats the quality for Rainier and Roze for reloads? thanks.
Good
Use Lead Data to work up.

Colorado4Wheel
01-28-2010, 14:47
cheap bullets, just the topic i was looking for. question, glock says no lead bullets but what about the ones by Rainier? whats the quality for Rainier and Roze for reloads? thanks.

Rainer are not lead. They are plated. Nearly every bullet has a lead core.

slvr-star
01-29-2010, 17:35
Silver Star bullets are cheap bullets? ,Let's say inexpensive bullets!!
Silver star bullets are 18-19 BHN which is not too hard for most shooting
and is actually softer and easier on the bore (and wallet) than jacketed bullets. They employ a bullet lube (Jake's high speed scarlet) which not only lubes the bore but also seals it against hot gases escaping.
Jake's may or may not be the best bullet lube but has been the top selling lube for a number of years.

slvr-star
01-29-2010, 18:12
As I understand it, Glock says no reloads period.
I've personally fired 10's of thousands of lead bullets through a Glock 17, 26, 22, 27 and a 21 with no ill affects. I'm speaking from personal experience and wouldn't advocate the practice to anyone.
One thing I've always done however is to "keep em clean" to avoid over pressure from any lead build up.

slvr-star
01-29-2010, 18:31
Yes, pistol bullets can be too hard but the 18-19 BHN of Silver Star bullets is not, especially with a good lube which also helps seal the bore against hot gases escaping. Silver Star bullets use Jakes high speed scarlet bullet lube which has been the top selling bullet lube for several years.

JoleBole
01-29-2010, 19:27
As I understand it, Glock says no reloads period.
I've personally fired 10's of thousands of lead bullets through a Glock 17, 26, 22, 27 and a 21 with no ill affects. I'm speaking from personal experience and wouldn't advocate the practice to anyone.
One thing I've always done however is to "keep em clean" to avoid over pressure from any lead build up.

I meet a guy at the range once..He told me that he's shooting nothing but lead reloads in his G30 (did it in front of me)..but he also told me that he scrubs the barrel really good after every range session. Not that he recommends that, but as you sad - lot of people do it and lot of people buy an aftermarket barrel just for lead.

DannyB
01-29-2010, 19:57
I’m bad about not reading the directions with anything if I already know how to use it, such as a gun, so when I bought my first Glock many years ago I ran probably a few thousand lead bullets through it with no problems whatsoever. It was a G21, so we are talking about slow ammo in the first place.

I’m no lead expert, but I was buying the Bull-X hard cast bullets. Those bullets were so hard that recently when we fired some seventeen-year-old very light loaded 44’s we dug one up and I think it literally could have been loaded again. It was that hard.

M1A Shooter
01-29-2010, 20:05
i got some 200gr LSWC in my 1911 running around 900fps and they put a nice dent in a 1/4" mild steel plate at an idpa shoot. the bullet shattered and i got some decent splashback. i think these were 18bhn?

slvr-star
01-29-2010, 22:11
i got some 200gr LSWC in my 1911 running around 900fps and they put a nice dent in a 1/4" mild steel plate at an idpa shoot. the bullet shattered and i got some decent splashback. i think these were 18bhn?
It happens. Certainly reinforces the practice of wearing safety glasses.

snair
01-29-2010, 23:37
It happens. Certainly reinforces the practice of wearing safety glasses.
is that you jim?

slvr-star
01-31-2010, 00:11
No, this is Gerry, Who am I talking to?

cray2751
02-03-2010, 05:21
Silver Star bullets are cheap bullets? ,Let's say inexpensive bullets!!
Silver star bullets are 18-19 BHN which is not too hard for most shooting
and is actually softer and easier on the bore (and wallet) than jacketed bullets. They employ a bullet lube (Jake's high speed scarlet) which not only lubes the bore but also seals it against hot gases escaping.
Jake's may or may not be the best bullet lube but has been the top selling lube for a number of years.

Where do you get them?

snair
02-03-2010, 08:58
pmed..

OLEDAVE
02-04-2010, 17:44
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