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MarcusT
01-17-2010, 20:10
Has anyone ever used this stuff? What would the difference be in +P+ SMG ammo and +P+ pistol ammo? I'm thinking about buying some it's $199 for 1000rnds.

Merkavaboy
01-18-2010, 01:08
Are you referring to the military surplus or the commercial black tip carbine ammo imported by Action Arms Ltd.?

MarcusT
01-18-2010, 05:21
I dont know this is exactly what the website says about it.
9mm Israeli +P+ 115 FMJ Ball, in 25 rd boxes, 1000- $199.00, in ammo can For Sub Machine Guns

DLL9mm
01-18-2010, 05:34
For that price, I would pass.

Graves
01-18-2010, 05:43
$10 per 50 (+p+) isn't a bad price IMO. I'm no expert but sammi calls for 38,500psi on the +p, nato is at 50,000psi and I believe the smg spec ammo exceeds the 50,000psi mark - not a good thing in any pistol. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

DLL9mm
01-18-2010, 05:49
Its surplus ammo. I have heard mixed reviews on the Israeli +p+ 9mm ammo(more negative than positive)
There is also some +p+ POF Pakistani surplus going around for the same price. I have tried that ammo and it sucked. Here is a couple links with some 9mm in the price range you mentioned....

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AM9M105.aspx
(I would get this over the surplus ammo you mentioned. Wolf is decent ammo. I have shot numerous rounds through my Glocks. Accurate and fairly clean)

http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=46

glocksterr
01-18-2010, 05:50
hee,hee,

its a Glock, it can take it!

:)

MarcusT
01-18-2010, 06:20
I have done some searching around and haven't heard anything good about it so I'm going to pass on this.

Merkavaboy
01-18-2010, 10:12
I dont know this is exactly what the website says about it.

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9mm Israeli +P+ 115 FMJ Ball, in 25 rd boxes, 1000- $199.00, in ammo can For Sub Machine Guns

25 round boxes = military packaging. And I have no idea where people get the idea that Israeli milsurp 9mm is some how "+P+".

Depending on the date of the ammo, anything prior to 1980, IMI's 9mm ammo was made with hard, rounded or domed style SMG primers, because the Uzi was a open bolt slam-fire design. Starting around 1980 IMI started using the flat style primers. Because of the flat primers, IMI's 9mm stuff could be easily used in pistols.

The surplus ammo I had (dated btwn 1974-76) had the round SMG primers and I could not get it to shoot out of my G19. When I got my Sig P6 (225) I was able bust the caps on this ammo with only a handful of rounds that needed a second strike on the primer.