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Cineski
01-18-2010, 17:33
Updated on page 2.

Just placed my first order with DoubleTap. Package arrived rather quickly which was great, but to my surprise, I opened the 200 grain controlled expansion to see a brass plated bullet! I called them up and asked what the deal was, and they had just switched to Montana Gold for that load. I have to admit I'm a bit pissed off, and after speaking to Robert (who was very nice) they're going to change it out for a box of XTP, but I have to spend extra money on shipping the package back. Why don't they tell you this on the website? I've done a bunch of research on the bullets I want to use. I don't suddenly want the damn bullet changed out without my knowledge after making a choice on which to buy. I simply never would have ordered it. Not a fun way to start my foray into 10mm. And the only test I've seen done with the Montana Gold bullets was in 9mm and the bullet performed horribly. Sorry for those who don't like these tests, but other's experiences are the only thing I can go off of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsGnDtgVHc0

Until I see a test for the DoubleTap 200gr Montana Gold bullet, I have no interest in buying it.

jesse2205
01-18-2010, 17:55
I'm not a fan of the montana gold either. I can't believe they wouldn't tell you before shipping the product to you. That's a pretty big deal. Hopefully you'll have better luck on your 10mm foray!!

Cineski
01-18-2010, 18:14
It is a big deal, and I'm pretty pissed. You chose ammo because of what's at the front end. There's some emails into DoubleTap, so we'll see what happens. Seems they want to fix it, but my concern is what happens when I place another order? I want to know which bullet I'm getting.

Cineski
01-18-2010, 18:20
Looks like the 200 grain FMJ's are topped off with Montana Gold, too.

KiloBravo
01-18-2010, 20:49
I have never personally ordered from them before, so I have no input. I hope they make it right for you.

crenca
01-18-2010, 20:55
backyard water jug and wet newspaper are not "ballistic tests", unless you plan on defending yourself against killer wet newspaper.

I have no idea how montana golds perform in a real ballistic test.

You could always ask the boys over at m4carbine.net - there is a terminal ballistic section ran by DocGKR...

thegriz18
01-18-2010, 20:55
I've thought about ordering from them, but haven't because they don't list the type of bullet they use. All they say is "controlled expansion" or "bonded defense" or some nonsense. Plus, I've heard that their listed velocities are generous.

the iceman
01-18-2010, 21:02
Though I didn't have the same problem you did with Double Tap, they did send me two boxes of the wrong ammo.

After two emails and two calls with nothing, I wrapped and sent the ammo on my dime. Still no contact. I had to call and call about it and then they finally said the correct ammo was going out that day. I waited to receive my ammo first, then emailed about a refund or a credit for the money I spent to ship it back because of their mistake. Haven't heard a word from them since.

All and all, took two months to get my ammo. I still order from them because I love their 10mm ammo, that particular order pissed me off though.

As for the 200 grain controlled expansion, this link might help: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=268289

I think that is the same ammo you are speaking of. Maybe Midway has some of what you are looking for in Double Tap.

Just a thought. I hope it works out for you.

PghJim
01-18-2010, 21:14
With both DT and Buffalo Bore, I would call before I placed an order. They have been having a difficult time getting the normal bullets and have been substituting with Montana Gold. BB send me some 155 grain that I thought were going to be GD's and they were MG. I shot one through 4 layers of denim and three milk jugs of water, which is my standard test. The bullet shed it's jacked and did not expand thus over penetrating. I better use my 10mm 165gr Golden Sabers wisely. Otherwise DT has been great over the years.

Cineski
01-18-2010, 21:55
I've seen some pretty ferocious jugs of water ;-) Point is, a good bullet will open up in most mediums. Point being, almost every round of HST fired performs as it should. Thus, I always use HST for my 9's and 45's. After reading quite a bit on the XTP round with hunters, it seemed to be a great performer that expanded, penetrated, performed. Thus, I ordered this bullet in the double tap. I don't give a hoot if they can't get the bullets.....that's when you post "out of stock." It simply maddens me that they put a substitute in with zero regard to the user, and charged me the same as it was with XTP's. Imagine if Spear or Federal did that. It's simply a no go. We'll see what happens when tomorrow w/ Double Tap. Target use for MG seems to be fine, but their hollow points leave a bit to be desired.

Ak.Hiker
01-18-2010, 22:23
One idea would be to use the 200 grain load with the MG 200 grain JHP for practice. You could do some bullet testing on how they perform as well. On my last order they shipped me the 200 grain FMJ loaded with the MG instead of the Hornady FMJ. As far as the FMJ bullet goes the MG should be pretty tough. They are a real FMJ with a brass jacket. I will test the penetration and check to see if they hold up before I carry them. I still have a box loaded with the Hornady bullet as well as some Buffalo Bore loaded with the 200 grain TMJ bullet for woods carry. For me I am glad that I can place an order with DT and get a delivery right away. Much better than the ammo shops that are almost always out of stock on the 10mm. By the way the folks at Montana Gold are very good people. They are prompt when you contact them with a question. Their bullets are known to be very accurate.

Cineski
01-18-2010, 22:31
I do have a concern with the FMJ DT's they sent with MG's as well. Brass fouling is very hard to clean up on a gun IME. Do the MG bullets create more of this over Copper bullets? The MG's again, are also quite a bit cheaper than Hornady. They should just offer a full time version of these MG Double Taps at a reduced price.

Ak.Hiker
01-18-2010, 22:37
I have not tested the DT 200 grain FMJ with the MG bullet yet. I have not heard of any problems from any one so far and MG sells a lot of bullets.

rns-glock37
01-19-2010, 05:05
i don't carry the 10mm but i was seriously looking at dt for my next order. this is the second or third time that i've read where dt have mislead thier customers and sent out mg instead of a more proven bullet such as gd, hornady, etc. if they decide to substitute thier bullets then that's thier choice but they need to inform the general public when they do this so that the customer know what they are getting. with this happening more than a few times i feel that they are intentionally misleading the customer and have probably gotten away with it with numerous less informed people. not a good practice and i appreciate the op and the rest of you sharing your expierence because they have lost a potential customer untile they change their ways.

carbofan21
01-19-2010, 05:19
this seems to be a pretty common practice at doubletap

cmspeedy
01-19-2010, 07:13
I had a problem with doubletap about 6 months ago - Only got half of my order with no explanation - I was charged the full amount.

I tried to call SEVERAL times - at least 5 - left messages - sent E-mails - NO RESPONSE!! I was very upset until about 2 weeks later the rest of my order mysteriously arrived.

I don't mind the delay, but customer service is about communication and from Doubletap I got ZERO attention and very very poor customer service.

This was probably at least my 10th order with them - first problem - have not ordered since. With the new problems I'm seeing they are headed downhill IMO. Order with care!!

daaaveman
01-19-2010, 07:18
I don't mind the delay, but customer service is about communication and from Doubletap I got ZERO attention and very very poor customer service.

This was probably at least my 10th order with them - first problem - have not ordered since. With the new problems I'm seeing they are headed downhill IMO. Order with care!!

I think that Mike is just a victim of his own success. I've ordered from them and never had a problem. This is the first thread I've ever read that bashes them. I'm sure they're much busier than they used to be. They are all the buzz in the 10mm ammo world. If you don't order from them, you copy their loads at home.

daaaveman
01-19-2010, 07:19
I'd also say that I can't imagine Mike not making any problems right. It looks like all the problems in this thread were solved. Mike is a good guy and posts on GT often.

cmspeedy
01-19-2010, 07:26
I think he should show up and put this Montana Gold thing to rest and make it right.

He may have been overloaded when I ordered, but I run a business and know how enraged my customers get if I don't return their phone calls - Business 101.

cmspeedy
01-19-2010, 07:31
daaavman - If business is that good for him he should hire a customer service representative to handle the problems that inevitably arise while doing business.

I'm not faulting him for the mistakes (everybody screws up), just the lack of communication to his (very loyal) customers.

Now the Montana Gold thing is bad business IMO and I feel he needs to address the problem personally to preserve his good reputation.

Dave T
01-19-2010, 07:37
Not trying to pile on but I had the same problem with 200g 10mm. Ordered them with the expectation of getting the Hornady XTP bullet. Came with Monata Gold. I suspected it was a cost cutting measure but it may be a supply problem. Still, I think DT should have advised customers the bullet was being changed.

From all I've heard the Montana Gold bullets are very popular with competitive shooters as they are fairly cheep but still shoot accurately. They seem to be designed more as a match bullet than a self defense round.

YMMV,
Dave

Cineski
01-19-2010, 10:11
They said it's a supply issue. They should simply put out an entirely different bullet using these, and charge maybe a bit less since the components from MG are cheaper.

Ak.Hiker
01-19-2010, 23:28
They said it's a supply issue. They should simply put out an entirely different bullet using these, and charge maybe a bit less since the components from MG are cheaper.

Mike told me that the MG bullets cost him more than the Hornady. He indicated he would load the Hornady when he can get them. I am not to worried about the performance of the non expanding FMJ loads that I recieved. With the brass jacket they should be pretty tough. It would be nice to see some penetration and expansion data listed on the MG JHP loads. I have read that Buffalo Bore is loading the MG bullets in some of their loads as well. If you do any handloading you must know that components are difficult to get. I would think that the changes are due to supply problems more than cost savings. One local custom ammo producer that I know was out of business for quite a while. He did load me some 45 Colt and 44 Magnum loads but did not have the bullets I wanted. Not a problem for me. Something new to test. Again I am glad that I can get ammo from these guys. Not much 10mm on the shelves at the stores I go into.

Cineski
01-19-2010, 23:47
Hornady XTP @ Midway: $194.90 per 1000. MG equivalent around $140 per 1000. While I was on the phone w/ Double Tap, I was told its a matter of availability. Point is, this doesn't matter. Switching bullets without telling anyone isn't kosher. "200 grain controlled expansion out of stock, new 200 grain MG in stock."

My email to Mike and a voicemail left yesterday weren't answered today.

mastrbloata
01-21-2010, 17:01
Now I understand why you were so angry in the "Why 5" in .45acp?" thread. Everything I've seen on those MG bullets seems pretty crappy.

cmspeedy
01-21-2010, 17:05
Hornady XTP @ Midway: $194.90 per 1000. MG equivalent around $140 per 1000. While I was on the phone w/ Double Tap, I was told its a matter of availability. Point is, this doesn't matter. Switching bullets without telling anyone isn't kosher. "200 grain controlled expansion out of stock, new 200 grain MG in stock."

My email to Mike and a voicemail left yesterday weren't answered today.

Don't expect a response - I never got one.

To the 10mm crowd - Better start reloading.

It's like dealing with the Bullet Nazi - "NO XTP'S FOR YOU!!"

Cineski
01-22-2010, 10:51
Update, I did get a hold of DoubleTap today and spoke with another gentleman. Unfortunately I just couldn't hear his name after asking twice. Anyway, I told him my concerns with switching bullets from a consumer point of view, that it is recognizeably a touchy subject from our POV because we buy bullets based on what's at the tip. He was very understanding. He did say they tested the bullet throughly and were impressed by it, and I said these are things they should post online so we can make an educated choice for ourselves in which bullet we carry for self defense. He did mention to call them before placing an order to see which bullets are avail, which my response was they should just put out a Montana Gold DoubleTap cartridge. Anyway, I am feeling better about my dealings with DoubleTap and hopefully they realize it's better to lose a sale than it is a customer.

cmspeedy
01-22-2010, 10:57
Too little too late. How long did you wait for a response - 3 days? If that's acceptable to you - buy away. Their lack of customer service combined with their switching of bullets with no notice have lost them a customer here.

The way I see things - THEY COULD CARE LESS!!

BTW - I never got a response - your lucky.

PATRICE
01-23-2010, 09:10
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remat
01-23-2010, 20:53
Ok, I have been using DT ammo for awhile (in 10mm) but I have been reading this thread and I am confused. So, I emailed DoubleTap and asked them if they had switched to MT Gold bullets instead of Gold Dots and this is what I got back WITHIN A FEW HOURS:

"No, we use the Speer Gold Dots for our Bonded Defense across the board."

Going to buy some 9mm next week (Yep, I get it locally) and I assume it will be GoldDot.

cmspeedy
01-23-2010, 22:02
remat - you are confused - the XTP's from Doubletap were substituted with Montana Gold. I never saw DT switch from the Gold Dots in the bonded loads. The Gold Dots from Buffalo Bore were being replaced with a generic - non-bonded hollow point (not sure of the make - but the ones I saw were definitely not Gold Dots.

Glad to hear they are getting back to customers now - maybe they are getting the message. Surely you can understand my frustration after spending tons of money with a company and then getting NO response, feedback or explanation after a botched order. Multiple e-mails and phone calls sent.

Tmygun
01-23-2010, 23:24
I made a midway order last week, to get reloading gear and ammo for my incoming G20. I ordered a box of the 200gr. DT ammo because they said it was loaded with the Hornady bullets. For the price I paid, I was really disturbed to see them loaded with MG bullets. But I'm not a hunter, so I let it slide. But it does stink to use cheaper bullets and charge the same money:upeyes:. I hope they are at least accurate.

Tmygun

EDIT: You guys won't believe this, but I just pulled one of the bullets from the 200gr. controlled expansion ammo from Double Tap and weighed it. It only weighs 180grs.!!!! It is loaded with 8.2grs of some flattened ball powder. Now I'm really mad and Double Tap will hear about this.

remat
01-24-2010, 02:13
remat - you are confused - the XTP's from Doubletap were substituted with Montana Gold. I never saw DT switch from the Gold Dots in the bonded loads. The Gold Dots from Buffalo Bore were being replaced with a generic - non-bonded hollow point (not sure of the make - but the ones I saw were definitely not Gold Dots.

Glad to hear they are getting back to customers now - maybe they are getting the message. Surely you can understand my frustration after spending tons of money with a company and then getting NO response, feedback or explanation after a botched order. Multiple e-mails and phone calls sent.

Ah, I always get the "bonded" loads so that explains a lot. Thank you for clarifying.

Cineski
01-24-2010, 10:22
Do tell :wow:

I made a midway order last week, to get reloading gear and ammo for my incoming G20. I ordered a box of the 200gr. DT ammo because they said it was loaded with the Hornady bullets. For the price I paid, I was really disturbed to see them loaded with MG bullets. But I'm not a hunter, so I let it slide. But it does stink to use cheaper bullets and charge the same money:upeyes:. I hope they are at least accurate.

Tmygun

EDIT: You guys won't believe this, but I just pulled one of the bullets from the 200gr. controlled expansion ammo from Double Tap and weighed it. It only weighs 180grs.!!!! It is loaded with 8.2grs of some flattened ball powder. Now I'm really mad and Double Tap will hear about this.

cmspeedy
01-24-2010, 10:32
I made a midway order last week, to get reloading gear and ammo for my incoming G20. I ordered a box of the 200gr. DT ammo because they said it was loaded with the Hornady bullets. For the price I paid, I was really disturbed to see them loaded with MG bullets. But I'm not a hunter, so I let it slide. But it does stink to use cheaper bullets and charge the same money:upeyes:. I hope they are at least accurate.

Tmygun

EDIT: You guys won't believe this, but I just pulled one of the bullets from the 200gr. controlled expansion ammo from Double Tap and weighed it. It only weighs 180grs.!!!! It is loaded with 8.2grs of some flattened ball powder. Now I'm really mad and Double Tap will hear about this.

WOW - this would be a new low!!!! not even the right bullet weights......I would have been shocked if this had happened a year or 2 ago, but with the other problems - I'm no longer surprised. If true - add this to the already long list of bad business practices by Double Tap ammo.

Anybody want to start up a 10mm ammo company?? - the market is ripe!!!

Tmygun
01-24-2010, 11:02
Yes, they are 180gr. MG bullets, not 200grs. I emailed DT about this. I'd like if others here check the same ammo for bullet weight.
This just insn't right.

Tmygun

PghJim
01-24-2010, 21:16
I have had some issues. I had a box of 10mm 165gr Golden Saber where 20 of them did not fire on the fire good primer strike. It was a good thing I was not carrying them. They did send me another box after an email complaint. I also thought I would try 9X25 and bought a Wolf barrel and a box of 125gr GD's for DT. Half of the rounds would not fit correctly in the chamber. I called and they said they would send me another box. They did send a box but it was labeled 147 controlled expansion and they are Montana Golds. This is not a big deal this time because I just wanted to try the round. However with in two months I got a box that would not fire and a box where the rounds would not fit into the chamber. Although they have responded to my complaints I am now scared to carry any DT loads and they really need to get rid of the MG's. I shot the 147gr. 9X25 through gallon jugs of water. Only the depth on the hollow point expanded, which was not much and the jacket separated. Mike needs to make some changes and reassure his customer base.

JK-linux
01-24-2010, 21:29
I quit buying their 10mm and other ammunition when their prices spiked and their components seemed to start changing monthly without notice (around October of last year). Their ammo is very nice, but I don't wish to get burned. At $40 for 50 rounds + shipping, they aren't the value they use to be to me. I now understand why most serious 10mm folks roll their own.

novaDAK
01-24-2010, 21:44
Now I understand why you were so angry in the "Why 5" in .45acp?" thread. Everything I've seen on those MG bullets seems pretty crappy.

Not all JHPs are designed for expansion, there are some (perhaps the MG is one) that are designed for accuracy and NOT expansion.

Tmygun
01-24-2010, 21:46
That's the thing that really stinks about this, I do roll my own. I ordered 500 180gr. Montana Gold bullets, along with some new brass and dies, around the same time I ordered the Double Tap ammo. I wanted to use the cheaper MG bullets for loading target ammo, and I wanted one box of full power Doulbe Tap 200gr. ammo to keep on the side. I bought them thinking they were true 200gr. Hornady XTP bullets. Man, I could have loaded the same exact load and saved myself over $40.00:steamed:.
Oh well, I'll wait to hear back from them.

Tmygun

Cineski
01-26-2010, 12:35
2 business days later and not a peep after supposed to be getting a call back.

BleedNOrange
01-26-2010, 12:56
Exactly why I dont own a 10mm, although I do like the round, reloading or relying on internet distributors isnt very appealing.

Cineski
01-26-2010, 14:12
There are other places to buy 10mm. Just placed an order with one and will report back.

Cineski
01-26-2010, 15:18
Got a call from Robert @ DoubleTap today. Problem will be solved as they're shipped the correct bullets out to me today. Even gave me an update that they're bringing the web guy in to do an update on their website to do more of a standardization of the bullets used. The 200 grain XTP's are coming back, but mentioned they'll be called something different than controlled expansion. Anyway, Robert was very nice and apologized for the long delay in getting back to me.

bfg1971
01-26-2010, 16:41
I fondly remember the days when you would call and get to talk to Mike himself. I really think most of the problems are caused by having too much success and trying to do too many things. In the beginning it was only 10mm and 6 or so loadings. Today they make numerous calibers and loadings. I think the company expanded faster than it could sustain and that is where the problems started.

double07gt
01-26-2010, 21:58
What's the difference in the "look" of the bullets being listed here? Anyone have pics showing the differences in material/color? I like to know for myself. I just ordered a bunch of DT stuff a few weeks ago, some of which was the 10mm 200 gr controlled expansion bullets.

remat
01-27-2010, 16:25
I fondly remember the days when you would call and get to talk to Mike himself. I really think most of the problems are caused by having too much success and trying to do too many things. In the beginning it was only 10mm and 6 or so loadings. Today they make numerous calibers and loadings. I think the company expanded faster than it could sustain and that is where the problems started.

Mike is who responded to my email within a few hours.

Ak.Hiker
01-27-2010, 23:55
[QUOTE=double07gt;14628542]What's the difference in the "look" of the bullets being listed here? Anyone have pics showing the differences in material/color? I like to know for myself. I just ordered a bunch of DT stuff a few weeks ago, some of which was the 10mm 200 gr controlled expansion bullets.[/QUOTE
Montana Gold has pictures on line of their line of bullets as does Hornady. The Montana Gold bullets I have are the same color as the Remington Golden Saber. They have a brass jacket.

CZ guy
01-28-2010, 00:29
Mike has been successful is growing his business rather quickly. With that, comes the struggle to maintain quality of service. I know first hand what the challenges are. If I were in his shoes - has multiple contracts with retailers - I would stop selling direct to customers and only do wholesale/bulk to resellers. It's a pain in the ass dealing with pissy customers and the logistics of fulfilling large volumes of low quantity orders. At times it's just not worth the headache, nor the hit to one's reputation when you can't treat each and every customer like they're the only customer you have.

Oh and don't take this as disagreeing with the OP's original issue. I wouldn't be happy, either.

Everybody might be happier if DT just went wholesale only, then Mike could focus on cranking out loads, and the retailers could focus on the customer.

cmspeedy
01-28-2010, 06:54
Mike has been successful is growing his business rather quickly. With that, comes the struggle to maintain quality of service. I know first hand what the challenges are. If I were in his shoes - has multiple contracts with retailers - I would stop selling direct to customers and only do wholesale/bulk to resellers. It's a pain in the ass dealing with pissy customers and the logistics of fulfilling large volumes of low quantity orders. At times it's just not worth the headache, nor the hit to one's reputation when you can't treat each and every customer like they're the only customer you have.

Oh and don't take this as disagreeing with the OP's original issue. I wouldn't be happy, either.

Everybody might be happier if DT just went wholesale only, then Mike could focus on cranking out loads, and the retailers could focus on the customer.

I agree 100% but prices would necessarily rise if this occurs. Prices would probably be near Buffalo Bore.

CZ guy
01-28-2010, 09:25
I agree 100% but prices would necessarily rise if this occurs. Prices would probably be near Buffalo Bore.

Well, that's not the case right now, but if that happened it would probably be out of popularity/demand. I would readily choose DT over Buffalo Bore any day assuming I had to pay the same for both - not that I'd be happy paying that price, though.

Anyways, I just feel for Mike in his position because I know what it's like to be in his shoes. I know he'd sleep a lot better at night just selling wholesale.

cmspeedy
01-28-2010, 09:38
Well, that's not the case right now, but if that happened it would probably be out of popularity/demand. I would readily choose DT over Buffalo Bore any day assuming I had to pay the same for both - not that I'd be happy paying that price, though.

Anyways, I just feel for Mike in his position because I know what it's like to be in his shoes. I know he'd sleep a lot better at night just selling wholesale.

Disagree 100% - If I am paying the same price I would choose Buffalo Bore over Double Tap EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!

Ak.Hiker
01-28-2010, 10:00
Mike has been successful is growing his business rather quickly. With that, comes the struggle to maintain quality of service. I know first hand what the challenges are. If I were in his shoes - has multiple contracts with retailers - I would stop selling direct to customers and only do wholesale/bulk to resellers. It's a pain in the ass dealing with pissy customers and the logistics of fulfilling large volumes of low quantity orders. At times it's just not worth the headache, nor the hit to one's reputation when you can't treat each and every customer like they're the only customer you have.

Oh and don't take this as disagreeing with the OP's original issue. I wouldn't be happy, either.

Everybody might be happier if DT just went wholesale only, then Mike could focus on cranking out loads, and the retailers could focus on the customer.

Don't give him any ideas. He is the only one that I know of that ships to Ak. I rembember years ago when CorBon sold to small retailers in our area. The local guys knew how to order based on real customers needs. When CorBon stopped selling direct to the small local retailers and forced the ammo shops to buy from a wholesaler in Anchorage the price shot up so much that most of us quit buying their products. I have also found that large retailers are not very good at keeping the most popular loads in stock. During bear season for example you would be hard pressed to find a bear protection load on the bigger retailers shelves.

CZ guy
01-28-2010, 13:41
Disagree 100% - If I am paying the same price I would choose Buffalo Bore over Double Tap EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!

Whatever works for you... I prefer to support those businesses that support us.

What's the GT username for the owner of Buffalo Bore? I don't recall seeing him post load data here on GT, though I can't say I've taken the time to search.

My guess based on your response is that you don't shoot 10mm. If you did, you'd probably know who MCNETT is and be a little more supportive of his business and grateful for his contributions to this forum:

http://glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=67

Then again, maybe not. To each, their own.

cmspeedy
01-28-2010, 14:35
Nope - have shot thousands of rounds of doubletap ammo and in the past - service was never an issue. I had my first problem with doubletap about one year ago. I started handloading for my 10mm G20 about 6 months ago and I'm so glad I did. My personal favorite is a 180g XTP loaded over 9.5g of longshot which is giving me just shy of 1300fps. I no longer have to worry about the problems I was having with DT.

Where has Mike been for over a year? - haven't seen him, any new products or changes to the website.

I am grateful for what Mike has done for the 10mm community I just don't understand where he is taking his company. IMO he is sitting on a goldmine if he can keep his good reputation. From what I've been seeing lately he needs to work on his website, quality control and customer service. I feel small improvements in those areas would be a huge plus for the 10mm community. More readily available quality 10mm ammo is never a bad thing, but lately the customer service has been poor and I don't believe my chronograph was malfunctioning when I recorded VERY large spreads in DT velocities (as well as about 100 fps less than DT's claims out of my stock G20 barrel).

agtman
01-28-2010, 18:02
Nope - have shot thousands of rounds of doubletap ammo and in the past - service was never an issue. I had my first problem with doubletap about one year ago. I started handloading for my 10mm G20 about 6 months ago and I'm so glad I did. My personal favorite is a 180g XTP loaded over 9.5g of longshot which is giving me just shy of 1300fps. I no longer have to worry about the problems I was having with DT.

Where has Mike been for over a year? - haven't seen him, any new products or changes to the website.

I am grateful for what Mike has done for the 10mm community I just don't understand where he is taking his company. IMO he is sitting on a goldmine if he can keep his good reputation. From what I've been seeing lately he needs to work on his website, quality control and customer service. I feel small improvements in those areas would be a huge plus for the 10mm community. More readily available quality 10mm ammo is never a bad thing, but lately the customer service has been poor and I don't believe my chronograph was malfunctioning when I recorded VERY large spreads in DT velocities (as well as about 100 fps less than DT's claims out of my stock G20 barrel).

Good post ...

Here's an early review of DT's 10mm Golden Sabers from some years ago. This stuff (my remaining stash) still shoots as described:

http://www.bren-ten.com/agtman/id6.html

:cool: