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KevR
01-21-2010, 11:22
I'd like to get into Hunting for hogs and deer. I've got several friends that hunt and I'd like to be able to go with them. I'd like to get a cheaper rifle and and read that a lot of people recommend Savage rifles and I've checked their website and they look pretty nice. I bet I could pick up a used one cheap from a pawn shop or private seller around town.

I'm trying to decide what caliber to get and I don't know much about rifle ammo. I'd like something cheap so I can hit the range, but with enough punch to take both types of game I mentioned. Any advice?

paynter2
01-21-2010, 12:29
If I were making the same decision, I'd probably go with a .308. 30 cal, good availability, plenty of punch for either animal, and a short action.

Lots of guys like the 30-06 and .270 for medium rifles. But, again, I like the short throw.

Savage makes a good rifle - or so I understand. I have never owned or shot one. But, the GT brain trust seems to like them. Again, if it were me, I'd look for a used 700 Rem or 788 Rem. I'm really partial to the 788 - not pretty, but great accuracy, great trigger, very solid, and cheap. You should be able to find a good used one for between $400-500 dollars. I say 'used', they are no longer in production.

I think you can find a used 700 for $350 on up.

vafish
01-21-2010, 14:52
Savage
Stevens 200 (same as Savage buy no accutrigger)
Mossberg ATR100
Remington 700
Winchster 70

Are the ones I have experience with. The Mossberg is the cheapest, a little rougher on the edges but works just fine. They are only $350 new with a cheap scope on them at the big box stores. Used ones go for about $250. The scope is cheap and so are the rings, both should be replaced eventually but they will get you started hunting.

The new Marlin, S+W, TC, and Howa bolt action rifles all have gotten good reviews.

As for caliber, .308, .30-06 or .270 will be the easiest to find and least expensive because they are the most popular.

Stay away from the 7MM and 300 magnums if you want to keep ammo costs down. They hit the animals, your shoulder, and the pocket book harder than the above calibers.

Now is the time to buy a used hunting rifle. Season is over, bills from Christmas are due and folks need the money.

If you want a really cheap hunting rifle look for a used Mosin Nagant. They are about $79 plus shipping so should be around $100. No scope, but surplus ammo is cheap (and corrosive so you need to clean it well), and soft point hunting ammo is available.

EL COLONEL
01-21-2010, 16:01
Get a remingtron ADL 700 in 30-06 at Academy for 439.00........:wavey:

sourdough44
01-23-2010, 13:59
30-06 is fine but I'd get a 308, which is also ideal. For the best deal look for a lightly used one.

Rutha73
01-26-2010, 22:54
Weatherby makes the Vanguard series, which is pretty affordable. Weatherby website (http://www.weatherby.com/product/rifles/vanguard) says they start at $419.00 and come in all the popular calibers.

ithaca_deerslayer
01-27-2010, 12:02
I have a couple of Savage. I used to have a Rem 700. I like the 700 a little better (but it usually costs more). Nothing wrong with the Savage, just a matter of taste. I have to say the Savage fits me better (must have to do with grip design, length of pull, etc, on their standard stock). The Savage action is accurate, but a little rougher in working the bolt then my Remington was.

But anyway, on to caliber. For deer, hogs, and any other medium to large game, the .308 is the way to go. A very common caliber. Tons of factory loadings, from the cheapest foreign brands in 150gr FMJ, to expensive domestic match ammo in 168gr, to heavy hunting rounds in 180 (and all the hunting rounds from 150 to 180gr). Just tons of stuff.

The .30-06 may have more to offer in versatility, especially for game larger than deer, and for handloaders. But generally, it seems to me the .308 offers almost as much utility, and has slightly less recoil, and is more common for factory match and target ammo.

I have both calibers. For the above reasons, I'd typically suggest .308. If you are hunting things larger than deer, or if you are handloader, then you'd probably prefer .30-06 and wouldn't need my advice anyway :)

jjsobba
02-01-2010, 08:29
I would buy either a Ruger M77 or Weatherby Vanguard. Both are good rifle that won't cost you an arm and a leg. Caliber wise my favotite is 25-06 but ammo is harder to find and will cost you a little more. So if you are looking for convience and price go with a 270

havensal
02-09-2010, 20:04
I have both a Savage and a Stevens in .270. They both are great shooters.

I recommend the .270 for most big game hunting, but .308 is plenty for someone who is a little recoil shy.

.243 would be fine also. :wavey:

pennlineman
02-09-2010, 20:47
For the game you listed I would go with the .270. Nothing wrong with the .308 either. But, if you think you may be hunting something bigger in the future get the .30-06, it handles the heavy bullets better than the .308.

The Remington model 700 has always been my favorite.

gunrunner0
02-10-2010, 17:57
+1 For Savage. I love mine and the Accutrigger is great. I had a Remington and it was a nice gun, but it just was'nt for me.

superjew
02-15-2010, 13:05
savage 110 in any caliber is $397 at walmart.

javabum
02-16-2010, 00:34
Savage makes a very fine rifle.but if i were you i wouldn't get anything but a .30-.06.It will knock down most anything in the U.S.
I personally have the Remington .30-.06 as my choice.But you cant go wrong with a savage.especially one with the accu trigger.

Good luck with your rifle hunt,Kevin

2afreedom
02-16-2010, 22:44
You have been given a lot of good advice so far. The only thing I would add is don't overlook the ol .30-30 if you are hunting short distances. I bought one last year and after years of shooting bolt guns I am converted. Up to 100 or so yards I prefer my Marlin 336 to my Remington .270.

EL COLONEL
02-17-2010, 10:46
I too prefer a 30-30 to a 270 , bigger bullet , more knock down power, why would anybody like the 270 better unless you are shooting over 200 yards...:whistling:

dbarry
02-23-2010, 18:58
love the '06

Big Bird
02-23-2010, 20:21
I too prefer a 30-30 to a 270 , bigger bullet , more knock down power, why would anybody like the 270 better unless you are shooting over 200 yards...:whistling:

Bigger bullet? Yep. More knockdown power? Not even close. The .270 Winchester 130 grain bullet at around 3000 fps will have about 40% more energy than a 30-30 150 grain at around 2400 fps. If you want to compare same size bullets the .270 wins even more because the 150 grain .270 bullet as a higher sectional density than the 150gr .30 bullet and will easily out penetrate the 30-30. Its not a fair fight. Compare the 30/06 to the .270 and the numbers are much tighter.

EL COLONEL
02-26-2010, 07:07
Inside 100 yards ?...............:dunno:

noway
02-26-2010, 14:56
Inside 100 yards ?...............:dunno:

yeap

30-06 or 270Winny will always outdue the 30-30 ,which is not a bad round for close in hunting.


Also the 30-06 would gain your more effective reach, flattery trajectory and heavier bullets over the 30-30. the heavier bullets are not best suited in a 30-30 due to length and powder characteristics

Big Bird
02-26-2010, 15:05
Inside 100 yards ?...............:dunno:

Don't get me wrong. I'm not dissin' the 30/30. Its a perfectly capable cartridge inside its useful range. But at the end of the day its an 1890's era blackpowder cartridge they found did even better with smokeless powder. But its trajectory limits its utility. Nobody can dispute the ole 30/30 has probably killed more deer than anything out there.

But when you compare it to the next generation of bottleneck, high pressure, high velocity ammo (like a 7x57 Mauser or 30/06 or .270 Winchester) designed for use in turnbolt action rifles it ain't even in the same ballpark.

EL COLONEL
02-26-2010, 17:26
No way , Bird , Thank you both........:supergrin:

creaky
03-03-2010, 09:55
in Tikka T3 rifles.

Also, IMO a 270 or an 30-06 will do anything you need to do.

I saw Howa mentioned. My son owns one. Good accurate rifle out of the box, but heavy!

Stevens - Basic but good. Nice price, normally.
Remington - What can you say. An icon. I have a 721 in 30-06.
Marlin - Basic, solid. Doesn't lock the bolt when safety engaged. I don't like that for scrambling around the AZ wilderness.

.02... Nah, that's worth about .05:cool:

Esox357
03-03-2010, 20:01
Marlin 30-30 lever action shouldn't cost a arm and a leg?

Savage makes decent rifles the most common cartridges will be the 270 and 30.06 most likely? Any of the standard cartridges will work for what you want. If you are looking at mounting a scope on it then plan on spending a couple more hundred dollars for the scope, mount, and rings.

Let us know what you get. Good Luck. Esox357.

bambikilr
03-03-2010, 21:15
depends on the distance mostly, 150 (reallistic) & under a 30-30, ammo is not too expensive & available...i can shoot 1" at 100 with mine 150gr bullets...over that, a 308 is nice, not bad on recoil my 30-30 kicks harder than my buddies 308...30-06 is probably the most versatile, especially if you start to reload...unless you know your guns, be careful of pawn shops, some are there cause the owner needed cash, others are cause they couldn't group or????

paperairplane
03-03-2010, 21:22
For a pig only gun, I like the lever action - preferably something cool in the 45-70 / 444 marlin range.

When shooting at animals deer size or larger, I like a 30 caliber bullet. For me, that's 308. If you prefer the long action, get an 06. Really, in the field there is no difference between the two. A deer is not going to know if the 180gr bullet came out of a 308 or an 06/

jmorri30
03-03-2010, 21:24
Savage rifles are excellent. I've got their Model 12FVSS and they don't come any more accurate out of the box.

If you are hunting hog, I would assume that you are probably be in thick cover and for thick cover, a classic Marlin lever action is hard to beat. I use an old Marlin in 35Rem and it makes the best woods gun. Brand new, Marlins aren't real cheap but you might be able to find a good used one somewhere. I highly recommend one of those for hunting but if you are doing some distance shooting or target stuff, a Savage with an Accutrigger is an excellent choice.

Hope you get a good one

FPS
03-11-2010, 19:11
If your deer distance is 150 and under dont overlook the lever action rifles. I love hunting with mine.

and yes, Savage makes a fine gun too.

mdhandyman
03-11-2010, 19:18
If your deer distance is 150 and under dont overlook the lever action rifles. I love hunting with mine.

and yes, Savage makes a fine gun too.

I use my Marlin for both.


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Model 1894

Built in the tradition of one of Marlin“s oldest lever-action designs, the Model 1894 is an elegant carbine chambered for pistol calibers. Its handy size is punctuated by a quick-pointing, straight-grip stock design and traditional Old West-styled adjustable semi-buckhorn sights. The Model 1894 is chambered for 44 Remington Mag/44 Special, with its superior knockdown capability. Featuring finely checkered American black walnut stocks and fore-ends.
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FPS
03-11-2010, 19:42
I use my Marlin for both.


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Model 1894

Built in the tradition of one of Marlin“s oldest lever-action designs, the Model 1894 is an elegant carbine chambered for pistol calibers. Its handy size is punctuated by a quick-pointing, straight-grip stock design and traditional Old West-styled adjustable semi-buckhorn sights. The Model 1894 is chambered for 44 Remington Mag/44 Special, with its superior knockdown capability. Featuring finely checkered American black walnut stocks and fore-ends.
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I'd love one in 44 like that. I have two Winchester 30-30's and one Winchester model 94 in .375

mdhandyman
03-11-2010, 21:02
I'd love one in 44 like that. I have two Winchester 30-30's and one Winchester model 94 in .375


I got mine from my dad that thing shoots great to when me an my friends go to shot everyone has to shot that one. Also hold's 10 round's not so cheep but alot of fun.

chevy01234
03-11-2010, 23:22
I love my browning a-bolt .280 with 3.5x10x50 Leupold..it is my go to rifle for deer/hogs/coyotes/anything that needs a bullet at further than pistol distances.

Also have Winchester 300 win mag thats about to get turned into a 7mm STW and a few scoped AR's....

jaybirdjtt
03-12-2010, 20:19
You know, I am reading Elmer Keith's bio and it is amazing what dinky calibers he used to kill all sorts of game. I've read all the guys like Elmer, Jack O'Connor, Elgin Gates, am a member of SCI and I'll just say this, what you shoot is not as important as: 1. bullet placement, and 2. bullet construction. All, or most of the calibers mentioned here will take down medium sized game like deer at any reasonable range. For the 30/30, keep it under 200 yards if you are using a Model 94 or similar lever action. The cartridge itself is inherently quite accurate but the 94......heck, you're lucky to get 2 1/2" groups at 100 yards off a rest.
To sum it all up, I'd buy a 30/06, bolt action, a good quality scope, 4x will do fine as will 2 1/2x for up to 300 yards. I've found it is easier in a hunting situation to squeeze off a shot when the crosshairs are not jumping all over the place like you get with a higher power scope. Honestly, a good peep sight with a gold dot on the front sight has worked for generations of hunters! When you are out hunting, get some very high quality hunting ammo, like Barnes or Nosler partition. You want the bullet to hold together and penetrate. A nice, big exit hole will bleed out an animal fairly fast. I tend to like heavier for caliber than lighter and faster for most medium sized game. I'd use 150 grn for pronghorn, 180 grn for deer and 200 or 220 if you are in some timber. You usually don't get that classic broadside shot and having a heavier weight with say, a Nosler partition, you'll be more confident that it will penetrate back to front. Just my 2 cents.
Get a high quality sling. Practice offhand, sitting, kneeling and prone, both with and without a sling. If you can, practice shooting at unknown ranges, uphill and downhill. Go out somewhere and set up a bunch of targets, different ranges, don't step off the distance, see how you do. Pick the bullet weight,type the drop and wind drift at various ranges, laminate it and keep it where you can reference it quickly. Situation....you're sighted in @ 200 yards, animal is walking away about 320 yards, 10 mph crosswind, 20 degree angle shot. It's gone in 10 seconds. Where do you hold? Don't practice for hunting off a bench! The caliber or rifle or scope or bullet won't do you a damn bit of good if you can't shoot. Something else, sling your rifle and hike hard, 300 yards, 400 yards. Pick out one of those targets you set out, drop into a position and practice firing when you're winded, just like the biathletes in the Olympics! You just never know when a trophy will suddenly appear!

Diesel_Bomber
03-13-2010, 12:56
Recently bought a Weatherby Vanguard in .223, built by Howa in Japan. I'm quite pleased with it. Brand new rifle, scope, mounts, rings, sling, and case, all came to around $500. Adjusted the trigger down lighter and on it's first outing with the cheapest crap .223 factory reloads I could find and a 15mph gusty cross wind, I was grouping a 1.5" x 4" oval at 100 yards. I'm guessing it would have been 1.5" period without the cross wind. Available in .308 as well, same price.

For a budget gun under 100 yards or so..........you might look at an SKS, too.

Glock-it-to-me
03-15-2010, 20:34
100 yards or less? My Winchester 94 Trapper in .45 Colt will handle anything in the lower 48. A 325gr hardcast load at 1655 fps will get any critter's attention.

robbcayman
04-03-2010, 17:23
I'm buying a savage edge in 308. It's only $260 and is a great cheap hunting rifle. Plus, it has a detachable magazine and not a terrible trigger.

You can easily spend $800 on a simple bolt rifle. I'd prefer to spend less on the rifle and more on the scope. Just make sure you don't go too cheap on the glass. Something like a nikon prostaff for $140 3 x 9 would be perfect. With rings and everything you should be able to come up with a nice $450 package that will more than get the job done.

308 is an ideal cartridge, because it's available, cheap, good knock down power and low recoil. It's one of the most versatile cartridges out there. In fact, you can load it down to 110 grains for varmints or all the way up to 200 grains for elk, bears and other big critters.

mitchshrader
04-03-2010, 17:33
In the apartment above me lives a local detective, who has custody of his daughter, just turned 15.

She's taken a deer the last two seasons with a '94 Marlin .357 carbine. It would work as well on hogs, I'm pretty sure. 125gr JSPs give about the same muzzle energy as a .30-30.

I own a 7600 pump .30-06 for a 'real' rifle. 10 round mags, 3x10x44mm scope, recoil pad and cheekpiece. Fast, powerful, and plenty accurate for anything offhand. It's too much gun for deer or hogs, in this locale. The .357 wouldn't be enough gun for the biggest deer, or the biggest hogs.. but those aren't local.

Jonesee
04-03-2010, 19:53
In the apartment above me lives a local detective, who has custody of his daughter, just turned 15.

She's taken a deer the last two seasons with a '94 Marlin .357 carbine. It would work as well on hogs, I'm pretty sure. 125gr JSPs give about the same muzzle energy as a .30-30.

I own a 7600 pump .30-06 for a 'real' rifle. 10 round mags, 3x10x44mm scope, recoil pad and cheekpiece. Fast, powerful, and plenty accurate for anything offhand. It's too much gun for deer or hogs, in this locale. The .357 wouldn't be enough gun for the biggest deer, or the biggest hogs.. but those aren't local.


It isn't too large. Just load it with 125 grain. That load is fast, accurate and felt recoil is minimal. Acts like a .270 with that load.

That is the great thing about the 30.06, There are a ton of loads right off the store shelf for it that can handle anything in N.A.

paynter2
04-03-2010, 21:46
In the apartment above me lives a local detective, who has custody of his daughter, just turned 15.

She's taken a deer the last two seasons with a '94 Marlin .357 carbine. It would work as well on hogs, I'm pretty sure. 125gr JSPs give about the same muzzle energy as a .30-30.


The 357 doesn't deliver half the energy of a 30-30. And, that's the managed recoil version of the 125 gr 30-30.

30-30
Cartridge_Type Bullet 125 gr Muzzle = 1313 ft/lbd
Remington ® Managed Recoil®

.357 Mag 125 gr Muzzle = 583
Remington® Express™

GVFlyer
04-04-2010, 13:05
A Remington Model 700 will serve you well. I prefer the 30-06 to the .308. The sloped-neck case on the thirty-aught-six allows you to seat a heavier bullet for effectively bagging a greater variety of game - and it's ballistics are slightly better.

While not a Remington, this is my favorite hunting rifle, in 30-06 of course!

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq166/GVFlyer/012-1.jpg?t=1270407553

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mitchshrader
04-04-2010, 13:25
That .357 ME just about doubles in an 18" barrel, and the 'factory' .30-06 loads lose avout 25% of their ME in an 18" vs 26" test barrel. .30-30 loses about 15-20% ME between 18 and 24 inch test barrel.

Look at your stats closer. That 500+ ME is out of a 6" revolver. Many .357 loads make 1000 ft lbs+ ME in the carbine, and some loads exceed ordinary .30-30 ME. No brag, just fact.

Even .38 loads often exceed .357 revolver stats out of an 18" barrrel, and none of that mentions handloads.

paynter2
04-04-2010, 14:04
That .357 ME just about doubles in an 18" barrel, and the 'factory' .30-06 loads lose avout 25% of their ME in an 18" vs 26" test barrel. .30-30 loses about 15-20% ME between 18 and 24 inch test barrel.

Look at your stats closer. That 500+ ME is out of a 6" revolver. Many .357 loads make 1000 ft lbs+ ME in the carbine, and some loads exceed ordinary .30-30 ME. No brag, just fact.

Even .38 loads often exceed .357 revolver stats out of an 18" barrrel, and none of that mentions handloads.

You make a good point mitch (bbl length). However, doubling the .357 Mag's energy still leaves it considerable short of the 'managed recoil' 30-30 load. 1260 to 1313. Normal 30-30 loads produces between 1800-1900 ft lbs.

I just don't see the comparison...

edited to add this...

http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_ballistics_table.htm

SHG21
04-04-2010, 14:21
Recently bought a Weatherby Vanguard in .223, built by Howa in Japan. I'm quite pleased with it. Brand new rifle, scope, mounts, rings, sling, and case, all came to around $500. Adjusted the trigger down lighter and on it's first outing with the cheapest crap .223 factory reloads I could find and a 15mph gusty cross wind, I was grouping a 1.5" x 4" oval at 100 yards. I'm guessing it would have been 1.5" period without the cross wind. Available in .308 as well, same price.

For a budget gun under 100 yards or so..........you might look at an SKS, too.

Im not sure were the OP is planning on going hunting but 223 is not permitted in many states for deer.