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patman
01-23-2010, 14:55
I stole the scope off of one of my AR's and want to upgrade.I want something along the lines of 4-12X40.I also want to keep it around $300.00,though I did see a nice Leupold for around $425.00.I've been looking mostly at Leupolds and Bushnells.Are there other brands I should look at?How about Redfields?Optics Planet recently sent me an email for a Redfield scope blow out sale.

jrs93accord
01-23-2010, 15:30
Check this one out.

http://swfa.com/Millett-4-16x50-TRS-1-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P42548.aspx

Three-Five-Seven
01-23-2010, 15:51
Check out Nikons.

furioso2112
01-23-2010, 17:09
It seems that a lot of places have been having great sales on scopes the last year (optics planet is one place I consider a bench-mark setter for prices). Perhaps with all the rifle sales, scopes were lagging behind in sales because people put their gun budgets into ARs and other guns. This year will be interesting - maybe the economy will catch up and people spent too much, don't have anymore, so stocks are sitting there, which would encourage sales. On the other hand, maybe pepole will be buying scopes and accessories for all those rifles they bought.

As I've posted before (and as is perhaps obvious), a really nice QD mount allows one to use a single optic for different applications. I did this with a red dot and a Leupold Vari-XII 4.5-14x40 with tac knobs and a mil-dot reticle - on a LaRue QD mount, its a matter of figuring out the offset betweenthe different guns I use it on, off one, onto the other, couple clicks and it's good to go. Their mounts ARE that good. Perhaps others are too. Just something to consider.

I really like the Leupold, and now they make them with threaded ends for their very nice (although expensive and without retention) aluminum caps. I bought the scope mentioned herein for around $600 about 5 years ago, so higher than your price range, but they have expanded their product line, re-introducing the red line (?) series scopes, and their newer 'Mark-x' series. I have had this scope in lots of different, relatively extreme temperatures - zero problems with fog, etc. It has not had any type of abuse, really, besides being on a gun that has been fired (no drops/excessive dirt, etc.). Gathering info is a great idea; I have heard very convincing testimony about relatively inexpensive scopes with lots of nice features.

More info about your intended use would be helpful. Are you interested in an illuminated reticle, tac knobs, drop compensation marks, anything else like that? Using for 3-gun, hunting, target? What level of use/'abuse' is it likely to see?

JDG
01-23-2010, 17:55
Love my Bushnell Elite 3200 5-15x40, great scope for $300-$325. The tactical turrets are awesome:cool: Not a small scope.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b278/JDG357/008.jpg

patman
01-23-2010, 19:13
Check this one out.

http://swfa.com/Millett-4-16x50-TRS-1-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P42548.aspx

That Millet looks like it would do.Intended use is just range time.Most of its life will be spent sitting in a safe.Tactical turrets would be a plus.I might pull it off to put on a .22 once in a while.

patman
01-23-2010, 19:35
Love my Bushnell Elite 3200 5-15x40, great scope for $300-$325. The tactical turrets are awesome:cool: Not a small scope.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b278/JDG357/008.jpg

I found this one for $280.00.I might have to jump on it.

patman
01-23-2010, 20:05
I was checking out the Nikon scopes and they seem to have three (maybe more) types.Prostaff,Buckmaster,and Omega.Anybody know what the difference is?Between these three models any way.There seems to be a price difference.

Ljunatic
01-23-2010, 20:33
Monarch Gold is the top line in 30mm, Monarch in 1" tube is next then Buckmaster, last Pro-staff . Omega line is designed for muzzle loaders.

I have a Team Primos Monarch 3X9-40, but I am thinking I want more magnification for Pdogs. Other wise the scope has been very good for the $199 I paid last year

patman
01-23-2010, 21:34
How about one of these.Pentax any good?


http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/pentax-pioneer-45-14x42-mm-scope-matte-black.aspx?a=511220

ronin.45
01-23-2010, 22:43
The nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14 is a great scope with side paralax adj.

If you can get the Bushnell Elite 5-15 under $300 it is also an excellent scope.

gunsnhoses
01-24-2010, 10:44
The nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14 is a great scope with side paralax adj.

If you can get the Bushnell Elite 5-15 under $300 it is also an excellent scope.

I agree 100% on that model of Nikon. I have that very optic on my Savage rifle and here is one of my first 3 shot groups at 100yds. after dialing it in.

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv67/GandH/IMGP1275.jpg.


I don't think you can get a better scope for the money. I got mine at this website for $270 with free shipping. I htink that is the best price around.
http://www.sportoptics.com/nikon-buckmasters-scope-3-14x40-mildot-reticle.aspx

patman
01-24-2010, 11:40
The Nikon is looking pretty good and I like the warranty.I like the adjustments on the Bushnell too though.Decisions decisions.I'll likely get one ordered in the next couple of days.I might just end up flipping a coin.

Jumper
01-24-2010, 12:00
If you can find a used Leupold in what you want for about half the price of new that would probably be a good value. Otherwise, Leupold is outdone by various competitors in every class of scope. Someone makes a better product for less money. Usually that's Bushnell or Nikon. Other than their custom shop the only thing they have going for them is blind brand loyalty.

Opticsplanet, SWFA are big online retailers but if you want the best price check out www.libertyoptics.com or, watch the classifieds.

lawman800
01-24-2010, 13:09
Might have to check out that busnell.

patman
01-24-2010, 20:25
Well apparently I wasn't smart enough to bookmark the page with this scope for $280.00,but I did find it for $288.00.I just sold something for $280.00.Funny how that worked out.

lawman800
01-24-2010, 21:33
I found this one for $280.00.I might have to jump on it.

http://www.google.com/products?q=Bushnell+Elite+3200+5-15x40&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&scoring=p

As low as $269 at some places... Google is your friend!

patman
01-24-2010, 21:56
http://www.google.com/products?q=Bushnell+Elite+3200+5-15x40&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&scoring=p

As low as $269 at some places... Google is your friend!

That's not the same one.It doesn't have the target turrets.

lawman800
01-24-2010, 21:58
Scroll down 2/3 of the way to find the exact one, Bushnell Elite 15-40X not the top few that are not the same model.

patman
01-24-2010, 21:59
325154T on the 4th page.That's the one,$306.00.

lawman800
01-24-2010, 22:02
$300 for a target turret, $270 for semi-target turrets... what the?

lawman800
01-24-2010, 22:03
$300 here

http://www.manventureoutpost.com/products/Bushnell-325154T-Elite-3200--5%252d15x40,-Mat-Tactical.html

patman
01-24-2010, 22:05
$300 here

http://www.manventureoutpost.com/products/Bushnell-325154T-Elite-3200--5%252d15x40,-Mat-Tactical.html

I didn't see the price on that site.$288.00 here.No wait,$284.00.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008ZPK1/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

JDG
01-25-2010, 16:23
I didn't see the price on that site.$288.00 here.No wait,$284.00.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008ZPK1/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

That price is at or below dealer cost!:cool:

Remington700VS
01-25-2010, 17:25
I stole the scope off of one of my AR's and want to upgrade.I want something along the lines of 4-12X40.I also want to keep it around $300.00,though I did see a nice Leupold for around $425.00.I've been looking mostly at Leupolds and Bushnells.Are there other brands I should look at?How about Redfields?Optics Planet recently sent me an email for a Redfield scope blow out sale.

Nikon makes great scopes.

Check this out (http://samplelist.com/default.aspx?display_num=10&mfg_selection=9&prod_type=-1&hide_sold=false) :wow:

Remington700VS
01-25-2010, 17:26
.....

patman
01-25-2010, 17:32
I considered a Nikon but I'm going to do the Bushnell.

Remington700VS
01-25-2010, 17:53
Also a great choice...


Great deals on Bushnell scopes. (http://samplelist.com/default.aspx?display_num=10&mfg_selection=4&prod_type=-1&hide_sold=false)

furioso2112
01-25-2010, 18:10
If you can find a used Leupold in what you want for about half the price of new that would probably be a good value. Otherwise, Leupold is outdone by various competitors in every class of scope. Someone makes a better product for less money. Usually that's Bushnell or Nikon. Other than their custom shop the only thing they have going for them is blind brand loyalty.

Opticsplanet, SWFA are big online retailers but if you want the best price check out www.libertyoptics.com or, watch the classifieds.

I have never heard or read anything like this. I don't necessarily disagree, as I have had some cheap scopes that have never given me a problem (Simmons on a Ruger 10-22 - a $30 scope IIRC), but have also never used any other scope that I owned on a higher powered caliber than .22LR. I went looking for a Burris when I bought my Leupold, picked one out, and all three were flawed, new-in-box at Cabela's. That's when I chose Leupold. I admit my research was motivated by price - this was before my internet days. If it's expensive and they have a fancy explanation on a glossy brochure, and it's a name I recognize, it must good, right? This is no longer my thought pattern, but I have only bought the previously mentioned Leupold and Simmons scopes, and an EoTech red dot. Anyone else care to chime in on the above-quoted poster's comments?

patman
01-27-2010, 18:27
I just ordered the Bushnell,$287.10 shipped.Can't wait to get it.I'm going to put it on my bolt action .22 first just for fun.It'll end up on my AR sooner or later.Or I'll order another one later...:supergrin:

JDG
01-28-2010, 03:21
I just ordered the Bushnell,$287.10 shipped.Can't wait to get it.I'm going to put it on my bolt action .22 first just for fun.It'll end up on my AR sooner or later.Or I'll order another one later...:supergrin:

You'll like it! Hopefully the model number ended with a "T"....Cause thats a great price!!

patman
01-28-2010, 17:16
You'll like it! Hopefully the model number ended with a "T"....Cause thats a great price!!

They did not have the model number listed but it was the "T" in the picture.If that's not what I get I'll make them take it back because I can get that one for $249.00 from a few other sites.I'll have to wait and see.I'm keeping my fingers crossed though.

If I'm not mistaken it's called "bait and switch".

G19AR15
01-28-2010, 17:34
One thing I have not seen mentioned here is eye relief.
It was a key factor for me, as I did not want the scope to extend back over the charging handle in order to get a full view.
I've seen lots of folks do this, and they have a heck of a time charging the rifle.
I've also seen folks mount the scope way forward to avoid this situation, but then they can't get a full view without crawling up on the stock.

jobob
01-28-2010, 23:53
I have never heard or read anything like this. I don't necessarily disagree, as I have had some cheap scopes that have never given me a problem (Simmons on a Ruger 10-22 - a $30 scope IIRC), but have also never used any other scope that I owned on a higher powered caliber than .22LR. I went looking for a Burris when I bought my Leupold, picked one out, and all three were flawed, new-in-box at Cabela's. That's when I chose Leupold. I admit my research was motivated by price - this was before my internet days. If it's expensive and they have a fancy explanation on a glossy brochure, and it's a name I recognize, it must good, right? This is no longer my thought pattern, but I have only bought the previously mentioned Leupold and Simmons scopes, and an EoTech red dot. Anyone else care to chime in on the above-quoted poster's comments?

The Leupolds I have are higher quality and better optics than the Nikons and Bushnells I have. Not that they are bad, but the Lupies are better.

patman
02-04-2010, 16:00
I got my scope today and it is the correct one.I was going to try it out on this .22 but it's touching the barrel.Since it's going on my AR it's not worth buying another set of rings to mount it.Looks like a nice scope!:supergrin:

Jumper
02-04-2010, 20:22
I have never heard or read anything like this. I don't necessarily disagree, as I have had some cheap scopes that have never given me a problem (Simmons on a Ruger 10-22 - a $30 scope IIRC), but have also never used any other scope that I owned on a higher powered caliber than .22LR. I went looking for a Burris when I bought my Leupold, picked one out, and all three were flawed, new-in-box at Cabela's. That's when I chose Leupold. I admit my research was motivated by price - this was before my internet days. If it's expensive and they have a fancy explanation on a glossy brochure, and it's a name I recognize, it must good, right? This is no longer my thought pattern, but I have only bought the previously mentioned Leupold and Simmons scopes, and an EoTech red dot. Anyone else care to chime in on the above-quoted poster's comments?

Leupold allows 5 degrees of reticle cant before a scope will be rejected as out of spec or repaired under warranty as defective. 5 degrees!

A Leupold mark 4 8.5x25 is around 1500 dollars, and you can pick up a new Nightforce 5.5x22 for almost the same cost. the fixed 10 power mark4 is more expensive than a uso st10. They peddle the exact same products as they did in 1999, but changed the packaging, and increased the price.

As a company they can do anything they want, make any scope they want and charge any price they want. As a consumer I can choose to shop elsewhere. Just my 2 cents, but the optics world has moved on since 1999. Leupold hasn't.

patman
02-04-2010, 21:31
Since the scope was hitting the barrel on the .22 I put it on the AR.I should be able to hit the range tomorrow.I kind of wish I had a 24" bull barrel upper now though.Maybe a future purchase.

JDG
02-06-2010, 07:18
Since the scope was hitting the barrel on the .22 I put it on the AR.I should be able to hit the range tomorrow.I kind of wish I had a 24" bull barrel upper now though.Maybe a future purchase.

Not a small scope!:supergrin: Even looks big on my 20" heavy barreled rig!

I think you'll be happy with its performance:cool:

patman
02-07-2010, 19:25
I got it out to the range on Friday and I'm not real sure I like it.I'll have to play with it more.It might end up on my .22 bolt action.We'll see.Either way it is a nice scope.I'm just mot sure it's right for the AR.

Hucklebarry
02-08-2010, 09:22
I'm just mot sure it's right for the AR.


Would you care to expound on that? Why do you not like it on the AR?

Also, if you don't mind, who made the mount? I like it.

mboylan
02-08-2010, 13:53
I have never heard or read anything like this. I don't necessarily disagree, as I have had some cheap scopes that have never given me a problem (Simmons on a Ruger 10-22 - a $30 scope IIRC), but have also never used any other scope that I owned on a higher powered caliber than .22LR. I went looking for a Burris when I bought my Leupold, picked one out, and all three were flawed, new-in-box at Cabela's. That's when I chose Leupold. I admit my research was motivated by price - this was before my internet days. If it's expensive and they have a fancy explanation on a glossy brochure, and it's a name I recognize, it must good, right? This is no longer my thought pattern, but I have only bought the previously mentioned Leupold and Simmons scopes, and an EoTech red dot. Anyone else care to chime in on the above-quoted poster's comments?

That last legal hour of light is really what seperates a cheap scope from a better scope.

patman
02-09-2010, 17:52
Would you care to expound on that? Why do you not like it on the AR?

Also, if you don't mind, who made the mount? I like it.

I'm just not sure about eye relief etc.I'll play with it more.The mount is a Rock River Arms mount.I think I got lucky on the price of the scope.I've checked the site that I bought it from and they raised the price from what I paid to $364.00.May have been an error.I'll keep it,but it might go on another rifle.I've been wanting a Savage 10FCP in .223 or .308.:supergrin: