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eingeist
01-23-2010, 18:18
I am looking at either of the two.. I know the nighthawk is twice as much (or a little more!)

I would have to wait to pick up a nighthawk, or possibly wait 12-14 weeks to have one made....

And I don't know much about the Springfield Operator...

I kind of wanted a commander sized one, but I can't seem to find a Nighthawk or an Operator in a Commander size...

So... Nighthawk GRP, Springfield Operator, or should I spring for a Talon or possibly hold out for a Talon II...

This would be all purpose.. I NEED a bushinged barrel, I cannot have a bull barrel, since it is not allowed in the SSP class for IPSC, and I'd like to get back into shooting those matches. (This pretty much rules out the Champion Operator).

So, can I justify twice the price for a Nighthawk?

How are the Operators as far as reliability, accuracy, etc....

I've never shot a Springfield before... I've had Kimbers, Colts, Para Ordnances, and have shot Nighthawks, but never a Springer..

edit: If money were no Option, I would get a Talon II in black/sniper grey.. I like the serrated top slide, I like the nightsights, and I like the bushinged commander... But, money is sort of a factor.... Is it worth spending for it though? That's what I'm battling with in my head..
I also prefer to not have an aluminum frame... Locally, I cant find what I am looking for exactly... All the operators are lightweight, except a used one, which is the same price as new one at another store(and it's greenish brown framed).. There are NO Talons anywhere to be found... I did find an all black GRP I like for 2100 bucks.. Brand new..... But since it's not "EXACTLY" what I wanted, do I still spend twice the price? I'm afraid I wouldn't be happy with an Operator. (I could always cerakote the operator frame in grey I suppose... If anyone here in Jax does that I dunno..) Sorry to sound so random.. I'm just not sure which way to go..

quantim0
01-23-2010, 19:17
If you're just going to pound the crap out of it in IPSC, I think the Springfield would be perfect. Maybe get a TRP or an MC Operator. The TRP is a great gun with more hand fitting in the important parts, but isn't so expensive that you wouldn't want to use it real hard. That's what I would do.

bac1023
01-23-2010, 19:18
It does seem like an odd comparison.

Will a production Springfield satisfy you?

If not, don't get one, because you'll still want a Nighthawk. ;)


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_2307.jpg

eingeist
01-23-2010, 19:52
Oh I wouldn't baby it. Even a nighthawk. I'd buy it to use!!

eingeist
01-24-2010, 13:34
I know it's an "odd" Comparison.. I'm just trying to figure out if the extra money is "worth" it.... Heck I loved my Para even more than any more expensive 1911's I owned.

Bac, Is that a talon on the left?

The Talon and the GRP are a hard choice.. I feel like.. Well... if I buy the operator, I'll get it cerakoted, so once everything is done, I coulda spent an extra 400 bucks or so and got a GRP, what I really wanted!, or better yet, if I'm now buying a GRP, I could just spring a couple MORE hundred and get a Talon!

See my predicament?

bubbaskyjacker
01-24-2010, 13:43
If you have the disposable income to buy the one you want do it.

Glockdude1
01-24-2010, 13:46
I have a MC Operator. Love it. It can handle anything you care to dish out.

:thumbsup:

faawrenchbndr
01-24-2010, 13:51
Should I buy a Buick or a Mercedes?

If you have the bug for a NightHawk, and can afford to buy it,
get it. It's a far superior weapon.

MNGunner
01-24-2010, 13:58
Get the MC Operator, i am not a fan of the dark chicken, I just couldnt justify that kind of money on a working gun when there is better available for less money

eingeist
01-24-2010, 14:00
What is the "MC" Operator?

I think the one I was looking at is just "Operator."

bac1023
01-24-2010, 14:08
I know it's an "odd" Comparison.. I'm just trying to figure out if the extra money is "worth" it.... Heck I loved my Para even more than any more expensive 1911's I owned.

Bac, Is that a talon on the left?



Its a Predator, which is a Talon, but with a special barrel with the blast shield. The Talon has the bushing, which is what you want.

faawrenchbndr
01-24-2010, 14:11
What is the "MC" Operator? .....

Marine Corps Operator,...........

bac1023
01-24-2010, 14:22
Get the MC Operator, i am not a fan of the dark chicken, I just couldnt justify that kind of money on a working gun when there is better available for less money

so...

Because you couldn't justify it, a production Springfield is better?

Give me a break. :upeyes:

svtlightning03
01-24-2010, 14:44
I love my MC Operator!

Rinspeed
01-24-2010, 14:53
I think you should consider the SA Custom Shop to build just what you want. Take a look at some of these.



http://forum.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=237763

bac1023
01-24-2010, 14:56
I think you should consider the SA Custom Shop to build just what you want. Take a look at some of these.



http://forum.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=237763

More and more I'm thinking that Springfield custom may be the best semi custom shop around.

Its just amazing what they put out, in my opinion.

beretta-neo
01-24-2010, 15:44
Yes, I really like my Springfield Custom, and I ordered another last month

bac1023
01-24-2010, 15:48
Yes, I really like my Springfield Custom, and I ordered another last month

Can't wait to see it, but it will probably be a while yet. :sigh:

beretta-neo
01-24-2010, 18:51
Can't wait to see it, but it will probably be a while yet. :sigh:

Yes, Dec 2010 likely :P

Since I am going w/ Armory Coat, maybe it won't be quite so long. My Custom Operator was hard chromed - and that added time to the whole process

awpk03s
01-24-2010, 19:59
I owned a Springfield Champion Operator. It was a great gun. Now I have all Dan Wesson 1911s. Commander Classic Bobtail, Valor, and a CCO is presently en route to my FFL with my name on it.

I can't recommend Dan Wessons highly enough. With that said, Nighthawks are fantastic pistols, and I'd love to have one someday.

Glockdude1
01-25-2010, 18:43
What is the "MC" Operator?

I think the one I was looking at is just "Operator."

http://i26.tinypic.com/fatnqb.jpg

MNGunner
03-09-2010, 16:56
so...

Because you couldn't justify it, a production Springfield is better?

Give me a break. :upeyes:


Dear bac1023,
your response proved somewhat facetious. I answered the op's question where he specifically requested if he should justify paying twice the price of a Nighthawk. IMO the Springer Operators are just as good a gun as many semi customs if what you are going to be doing is shooting the heck out of them. would the Chicken stand up to it, I am sure it would do just as admirable a job, but were it my money, I would buy two operators for the price of a nighthawk. I understand many of us have an allegiance towards certain brands or belief that certain firearms are better than others and whereas I can see the beauty in both the engineering and the look of a nighthawk, I do not see it as twice the gun of a higher end production gun. I will happily put my ugly ass parts gun norinco up against any $3000 semi or full house custom out there and still walk away happily with the end results.

ronin.45
03-09-2010, 17:08
Should I buy a Buick or a Mercedes?

If you have the bug for a NightHawk, and can afford to buy it,
get it. It's a far superior weapon.


I agree.

If you can afford the nighthawk get it. You will kick yourself later if you don't get it.

Quack
03-09-2010, 17:21
to mix it up (like i usually do :rofl: ), how about a STI?
since you are looking to shoot it in USPSA/IPSC STI has a contingency program.

http://www.stiguns.com/ContingencyRewards.php

glock2740
03-09-2010, 18:14
It does seem like an odd comparison.

Will a production Springfield satisfy you?

If not, don't get one, because you'll still want a Nighthawk. ;)


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_2307.jpg
Man those are sweet. That Enforcer is EXACTLY how I would have one made up if I ever got a NH.

bac1023
03-09-2010, 18:27
Man those are sweet. That Enforcer is EXACTLY how I would have one made up if I ever got a NH.

Thanks!

I quite fond of it myself. ;)

Its a hell of a shooter.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1782.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1788.jpg

GreyEclipse
03-09-2010, 20:29
Tough choice. I would probably go for the Springfield as always though.
I'm a Springer man through and through.

bac1023
03-09-2010, 20:32
Tough choice. I would probably go for the Springfield as always though.
I'm a Springer man through and through.

Springfield Custom, sure.

The production Springfields can't hold a candle to Nighthawk.

Do you own a Nighthawk?

GreyEclipse
03-09-2010, 20:39
Springfield Custom, sure.

The production Springfields can't hold a candle to Nighthawk.

Do you own a Nighthawk?

lol, I have a feeling that you don't like my opinions today.
And that you're a little grouchy towards me.

BUT I'll tell you right now that you know more than me about 1911's.
I'm only giving him my opinion. Your opinion is better than mine.
I don't doubt that but I figured I would give him my opinion anyways.
No, if I was him I would listen to you, hahaha.

When it comes to information I have your back so no need to get hostile.
I KNOW that you know more than I do. It's no pissing contest.
You have more experience than I do, no shame in saying that.

bac1023
03-09-2010, 20:47
lol, I have a feeling that you don't like my opinions today.
And that you're a little grouchy towards me.

BUT I'll tell you right now that you know more than me about 1911's.
I'm only giving him my opinion. Your opinion is better than mine.
I don't doubt that but I figured I would give him my opinion anyways.
No, if I was him I would listen to you, hahaha.

When it comes to information I have your back so no need to get hostile.
I KNOW that you know more than I do. It's no pissing contest.
You have more experience than I do, no shame in saying that.

No big deal man. Its nothing personal. :wavey:

I was just trying to understand your opinion. I always try to understand everyone's opinion, especially when I don't agree. ;)

I actually think Springfield Custom may be a little nicer than Nighthawk.

glock2740
03-09-2010, 20:50
Thanks!

I quite fond of it myself. ;)

Its a hell of a shooter.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1782.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_1788.jpg
I bet it is. Plus, it has to one of, if not the best looking 1911 I've ever seen.

MastiffMan
03-09-2010, 20:52
The production Springfields can't hold a candle to Nighthawk.



I agree ..production Springfields can't hold a candle to Nighthawk.

JMO
a Dan Wesson Valor will give a Talon a run at 25 yards

MastiffMan
03-09-2010, 20:53
I actually think Springfield Custom may be a little nicer than Nighthawk.

Well said ......

MastiffMan
03-09-2010, 20:55
Those are Very Nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_2307.jpg

bac1023
03-09-2010, 21:03
JMO
a Dan Wesson Valor will give a Talon a run at 25 yards


I wouldn't doubt it.

My Kimber super Match can outshoot several of my semi customs.

bac1023
03-09-2010, 21:04
Those are Very Nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks!

Disregarded9-side
03-10-2010, 17:15
I wouldn't be able to use a Nighthawk/Eddy B/Wilson for IPSC, comp guns just get beat on (or carry one in fear of holster wear). I would personally look to something more purpose built; a STI would be my first choice (as I'm cheaper and lazy) but from where you're coming from I like the above suggestion that you look into SA's custom shop and piece together exactly what you want.

If you're considering a Nighthawk, you're going to be underwhelmed by the Operator.

bac1023
03-10-2010, 19:05
I bet it is. Plus, it has to one of, if not the best looking 1911 I've ever seen.

Thanks.

I do like it quite a bit. :)


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/002-3.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/003-2.jpg

glock2740
03-10-2010, 19:43
Thanks.

I do like it quite a bit. :)


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/002-3.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/003-2.jpg
Get your Legacy HC'd, and it would be a tight race:supergrin: BTW, unless you get another Legacy to have HC'd, you better leave the own you have blued. They are a beautiful gun in blue with wood grips.

bac1023
03-10-2010, 19:55
Get your Legacy HC'd, and it would be a tight race:supergrin: BTW, unless you get another Legacy to have HC'd, you better leave the own you have blued. They are a beautiful gun in blue with wood grips.

Thanks man, but the Legacy has the PVD finish.

It does resemble bluing to an extent.

majette
03-10-2010, 20:10
i fired a nighthawk grp at a local range and was impressed. i was consoidering a grp recon but the cost was prohibitive. i picked up a mc operator i found as i had wanted one for a while and had a local gunsmith smooth the trigger up some. i then went to the range and shot both side by side. feel and accuracy was the same, glad i went with the mc operator. too bad i did not have one when i was in the corps years ago!

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/4777/springers.jpg