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01-24-2010, 06:55
I have the opportunity to purchase one where I work part-time at a discounted price. How do they compare qualitatively to other AR's out there? Thanks.



01-24-2010, 11:15
Mediocre. Better than DPMS, CMMG and Bushmaster and not as good as Colt, BCM, LMT.

01-24-2010, 11:31

01-24-2010, 14:06
Mediocre. Better than DPMS, CMMG and Bushmaster and not as good as Colt, BCM, LMT.

I agree with Sarge'
Look into picking up an "extractor upgrade kit"
Ensure the gas key is properly staked and it should be fine.

I would rate the S&W a 7 out of 10, great value for the average Joe.

01-24-2010, 16:15

I love mine. No problems at all.

01-24-2010, 16:56
I carry mine on duty every day and love it. Can't beat the lifetime warranty that they now carry. I would say buy it if the price is right.

01-24-2010, 17:39
I have had no problems with mine. But then I only hunt paper.

01-24-2010, 18:37
ive shot mine alot and love it, not one problem w it. +1 on the lifetime warranty and just fyi the new ones have the extractor upgrade already.

G19 Elite
01-24-2010, 18:51
I have one and I like it. It has never malfunctioned but I don't like the trigger. It is not as smooth as my Colt duty rifle when rapid firing.

01-24-2010, 20:13
I bought two in March of 08'. My other two are a Colt std A2 and a RRA M4.

S&W had early problems, mine are serial range 142xxx and function fine w/ PMAGS.

The early problems were addressed...and just to remind folks, there are but a few suppliers of uppers and lowers to the entire industry. Main four lower manufacturers are LAR, LMT, MMS and CMT [yep, Continental Machine & Tool...parent of Stag....long time MIL contractor].

CMT did make for Stag, RRA, High Standard, Noveske (old), Century (current), Global Tactical, CLE, S&W, MGI (1st batch), Wilson Tactical, (some?) Colt, Ratworx. Debatable on Colt....but it is in the research thats been done.

My two M&P15 have keyhole uppers [you know, the little forging mark]....take a look around and see how many keyhole uppers you find.

Anyhow, a quality upper/lower and quality parts [BCG, FCG] and a good barrel makea good rifle. S&W does not go full mil-spec [for those who think it is a must....its not] but they do incorporate lots of the mil standard....

S&W will never ooze kool-aid like Colt and they [and all others] will never be as good as LMT, BCM or Noveske.....

Smith has made a very reliable, durable and accurate weapon and I will favorably compare mine to my Colt, an older Bushy Dissipator I once had and my Rock River M4.

Quality is quality...no matter what the name is.

01-24-2010, 22:26
What they've said.

For the money, good rifle. It's not an LMT or a Colt or BCM but they're reliable, functional and go bang. I have 2 of them, and would carry them on duty without any problems (i've run mine enough to know they function, and have the gas key, etc properly staked).

02-03-2010, 17:35
I have one and it works very well. My brother like it so well he bought one just like mine. He made his choice after shooting my Ruger SSR, Stag, Bushmaster, Remington, Colt and several Rock Rivers. I think the AR 15 platform has been around so long that it is pretty much figured out. Also the AR 15 industry is interbreed, I had to wait over 14 months ( I ordered 2 month before the election) to recieve Rock River Elite Comp because they were waiting for the chrome lined barrels.

If you get a S&W MP 15 you will be happy. Don't let people that haven't used one but only heard something about revolvers waist your time.

BTW, I have owned S&W revolvers for four decades and they work too!

02-03-2010, 18:15
Better than most and if you look around you can usually find a pretty good dael on them.

02-03-2010, 18:35
I'm really happy with my Smith. Sure, if Colt's and Smith's were the same cost I'd probably opt for the Colt. Since they're not and cause I'm on a budget, Smith offered the highest quality at my price point IMHO.


02-03-2010, 20:56
If your buying a S&W with standard furniture there is a good chance the parts are sourced from CMT
The early guns were built entirely and serviced by CMT

Barrels on S&W are made by Thompson Contender (owned by S&W)

They are now assembled by S&W in house

02-08-2010, 12:16
I would say S&W a year ago but considering you can get an all BCM midlength for $1050 before shipping and transfer, I would get a BCM now.

BCM M/L 1:7 upper with BCG, and handguards $590
BCM M4 lower $350
BCM carry handle $110

But I didn't have any problems from my M&P15A except for the Pmag issue.

02-08-2010, 12:20
I've got the new MP 5-22 and it's fantastic, great shooter after a thousand rounds or so...

02-08-2010, 14:02
I have been really pleased with my M&P15 plus got 5 free PMags directly from S&W!

02-08-2010, 20:04
Great rifle for the money. The OR model for 725.00 is great.
Can't beat the warranty and updated extractor either.

It is no Colt, but if I wanted a Colt I would buy one.

02-10-2010, 16:43
I think it's a great rifle for the price. I've had mine since last summer (got almost 1000 rounds through it). It's easy to find the regular or "A" model for less than $1,000.


02-12-2010, 19:12
The latest I saw had a properly staked carrier, the proper extractor with oring, and was overall a very high quality piece. The only thing it didn't have is a 1:7 twist barrel. It had m4 feed ramps. I say they are a very good value at sub $1000. I have a DD M4, a RRA mid length LW and a Stag 2T. The S&W is between the Stag and the DDM4 in my opinion. I would buy with confidence if it is relatively new date of manufacture.

02-12-2010, 19:37
I picked up my wife's 15x for $650 last August. Never fired, new in the box.

It has worked out great, no problems through a couple hundred rounds. I might buy another if I could get it for around that price for my son.

02-13-2010, 04:34
I appreciate all the replies. I actually went with a Daniel Defense M4 that was also at the gun range where I work.



02-13-2010, 06:36
Great choice. I love mine.

02-13-2010, 12:42
I love my M&P15. I have had it for 3 years, and though I haven't kept a round count, I know that just in my department rifle course I shot over 4000 rounds, no issues at all. Since then I have shot several thousand more and have zero issues. Initially I shot about 500 or so without cleaning, just lubed it, and no malfunctions.

Recently I had the barrel cut to 13.75, re-crowned and my flash suppressor permanently attached. I know some will say this is stupid, but for me it was a plus. Getting it in and out of a patrol car and for small apartment/house clearing, cutting it shorter made sense. BTW, after the custom recrowning, my groups reduced significantly in size.

I say go for it, I am amazed at the price they are now as opposed to what I paid years ago. If I had the money I would buy 2.


CW Mock
02-13-2010, 13:00
I have had mine for a couple years now I think, and its been great at work. It came with the extractor upgrade, and everything staked properly. It was one of those outsourced rifles, and came with an LMT bolt and carrier I was told. Since then I have put a Young Manufacturing hard chrome bolt and carrier in, and who knows how many rounds. Rifle has never malfunctioned on me before, and I have put it through department schools and range officer stuff.

So far it's been good to me. Worst problem was the Troy rear sight needed some blue locktite because it came loose after a long day at the range.

02-13-2010, 13:33
Bought mine when they first came out. Have shot over 5,000 rounds through it without any malfunction that resulted from the gun. Bad primer a few times and one or two stuck cases (wolf brand go figure). Excellent fit and finish and dead on accurate for my needs. For sure a gun that shoots better than me. I use PMAGS and never had a problem.

02-13-2010, 20:42
I got mine when they first were on the market, A M&P15T. It won't accept P-Mags, but other than that it's golden. I could care less about the p-mags, as I have an enormous supply of regular mags.

02-14-2010, 11:19
We purchased 500 S&W rifles that have 14.5" barrels with a 1/7 twist. They are running great and we haven't had any problems with them. I have seen some type of issues with about all of the major manufactures at some point or another. Hold on to your seat boys and girls, even Colt sends bad rifles out of the factory.


02-14-2010, 14:50
Mine has been just fine as well. I use a bunch of old crappy magazines too (with the black followers) and never had a problem.