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GVFlyer
01-24-2010, 22:53
A fella on another forum claimed that all Dan Wesson Valors prior to the 2010 model have a cast ejector, extractor, thumb saftey and fire controls. Be there any truth in this ugly allegation?

Not being a metallurgist and knowing little about Dan Wessons, I do know that CZ has claimed that with the exception of the ED Brown thumb safety, these bits have been "tool steel". While it is possible to cast tool steel, its malleability makes it less than ideal for making the kind of metal cutting components that require tool steel. That's why in my experience, tools made to cut metal - dies and so forth - are made of forged tool steel.

What has Dan Wesson used?

Quack
01-24-2010, 23:40
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1165674

Cobra64
01-25-2010, 00:46
Excellent.

GVFlyer
01-25-2010, 00:55
Thanks, Quack.

I read that thread and the two others it referenced. Nowhere does it say that parts prior to 2010 were cast.

Keith said that they were going to:

"In house tool steel fire controls. The hammer, sear and disconnect are tool steel with an RC rating between 50 and 54. The hammer strut is EDM wire cut flat stock stainless."

Since 2006 CZ has been claiming that these parts were tool steel, so other than the Rockwell numbers I don't know what this means.

Quack
01-25-2010, 02:54
here's some more reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_steel

Cobra64
01-25-2010, 03:07
Thanks, Quack.

I read that thread and the two others it referenced. Nowhere does it say that parts prior to 2010 were cast.

Keith said that they were going to:

"In house tool steel fire controls. The hammer, sear and disconnect are tool steel with an RC rating between 50 and 54. The hammer strut is EDM wire cut flat stock stainless."

Since 2006 CZ has been claiming that these parts were tool steel, so other than the Rockwell numbers I don't know what this means.Great!

Quack
01-25-2010, 03:32
did some searching and it appears that the Hammer was cast.
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=255555

Next, let’s look at the fire control group (FCG), or hammer, sear, and disconnector. The Valor uses a cast, stainless hammer, that has proven to be durable. Some DW hammers on other models of earlier vintage have had brittle-ness problems, but this is a decent part. The stainless hammer strut shows significant signs of fitting (frankly, too much, in my experience with SS struts!), to as to clear the sear spring, grip safety, and mainspring housing. This is something not always done, even with more expensive semi-custom and custom guns! The sear is a good, tool steel part, that is known to hold a keen edge well. The disconnector is a very high quality part, made of premium-grade tool steel. Again, note the signs of hand-fitting, so that the disco lower, interior corner will not interfere with the magazine as it articulates.

bac1023
01-25-2010, 04:19
I didn't think so.

GVFlyer
01-25-2010, 08:18
You guys are amazing, thanks.

Quack
01-25-2010, 08:23
or just bored at 2am and needed to know :rofl: