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brian321
01-26-2010, 15:37
I am in the market for a suppressor for a .45 Cal handgun but im not sure it is really worth the money...How quiet are they? How far away can a suppressed .45 be heard? I am doing this legal, I only ask these questions so i can get an idea about what its like.

Fireman1291
01-26-2010, 15:58
Every G damn penny!:jumpingjacks:

A suppressed 45 will sound great when shot wet. Currently there are only two 45 cans on the market that are hearing safe when shot dry, which is impressive. Add 5cc's water to those cans and man, its REAL quiet.

Top 45 ACP cans
1.SilencerCo Osprey
2.AAC TiRant
3.SWR HEMS2(not hearing safe dry)

Top 9mm cans
1.SilencerCo Osprey
2.AAC TiRant
3.AAC EVO9
4.SWR Trident9

What host are you buying it for?

Fireman1291
01-26-2010, 15:59
Me shooting the 45cal SilencerCo Osprey on my HK USP45T at the 2009 silencer shoot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUjLo0kerLA

brian321
01-26-2010, 16:10
Every G damn penny!:jumpingjacks:

A suppressed 45 will sound great when shot wet. Currently there are only two 45 cans on the market that are hearing safe when shot dry, which is impressive. Add 5cc's water to those cans and man, its REAL quiet.

Top 45 ACP cans
1.SilencerCo Osprey
2.AAC TiRant
3.SWR HEMS2(not hearing safe dry)

Top 9mm cans
1.SilencerCo Osprey
2.AAC TiRant
3.AAC EVO9
4.SWR Trident9

What host are you buying it for?
Well im not sure what im buying it for yet, I have to buy the gun as well but im trying to decide on a Glock 21 or USP Tactical, Although I am leaning towards the USP, Which supressor would you say is the quietest for a .45?

Fireman1291
01-26-2010, 17:40
A great setup is the one in that video.

HK USP Tactical paired with the SilencerCo Osprey 45ACP suppressor, hearing safe dry, magical when shot wet.

That setup with a tax stamp will be about $2000, but it will be money well spent.

Youll have a Permagrim after every session!
http://www.zazzle.com/suppressed_permagrin_bumper_sticker-128840722113479744

RWBlue
01-26-2010, 22:36
IMHO, in a word, Yes.
But I would suggest getting a 9mm suppressor.

Javelin
01-26-2010, 22:41
IMHO, in a word, Yes.
But I would suggest getting a 9mm suppressor.

:agree:

Unless you can fork over some big money for an AAC TiRant I would just float 1/2 the cost and get an SWR Trident-9 for your 9mm and amaze your friends, meet beautiful women, and become the life of the party.

:whistling:

jhall
01-27-2010, 01:08
Trident 9 FTW! Although the TiRant is awesome as well!

Also, it doesn't stop at just one. I have a 22,9mm, and 5.56 can. And I NEED a .30 cal can!! lol

Fireman1291
01-27-2010, 05:50
Some things to consider..

The AAC Tirant series dropped in price from $1100 down to $850 to compete with the much talked about Silencerco Osprey which has a pirce of $850. All prices are MSRP.

Also the Silencerco Osprey 9mm version is reportedly quieter than the Trident9 from SWR. But this is all dependant on your goal as the trident has more mounting options and yes AAC stated that they are working on more mounts for the TiRant but its just vaporware right now. As for the osprey, you can order different threaded boosters like all the others but i dont believe they are going to make a 3-lug attachment like the Trident has...confused yet? lol

I second or third the vote for you to start with a 9mm suppressed setup 1st. A good host/can with 147grn rounds will leave a smile on your face.:supergrin:

r2kba
01-30-2010, 10:36
I am in the market for a suppressor for a .45 Cal handgun but im not sure it is really worth the money...How quiet are they? How far away can a suppressed .45 be heard? I am doing this legal, I only ask these questions so i can get an idea about what its like.


Research your area via Online Forums for ranges where NFA is used. Even if you have to drive and hour or two to make a range day. Many NFA owners will gladly meet with you at their range and let you hear what their brand has to offer. I've done it in the past. Do not buy a can based simply on what online forums tell you to do, especially ones that are rooting for a certain brand.

Listen to several MFG, including Gemtech and SWR. There are several companies that make very high quality can's at different price ranges.

Expect to pay at least $475 for a pistol caliber suppressor of 9mm or larger caliber.

For references go to ar15com and or UZITALK and you can interact directly with MFG of several suppressor makers as well as hundreds of customers. There are thousands of photos posted also. I love glocktalk, however the NFA communitiy is strong at ar15com.

BMH
01-30-2010, 12:00
There are probably dozens of people firing different types of suppressors on youtube. You could get an idea of what your buying.

Just make sure it's legal in your state.

Also, if your Chief Law Enforcement Officer in the town/city that you live in will not sign off on your paperwork, then you could own one through a trust. Good info is here: http://forums.officer.com/showthread.php?t=107341

RWBlue
01-30-2010, 14:38
I don't trust youtube videos on silencers. Some match with reality, others don't.

As an example look at the silenced AK videos.
The only way you can make an AK silent is to turn off the gas system. When the gas system is on, it is like shooting a revolver, the noise escapes through the gap. But you will find videos where someone is shooting a silent AK. This doesn't work.

Fireman1291
01-31-2010, 11:56
I have the new FLIP HD(720P) camera, and it takes great video along with stereo sound, and it seems the hi/lo filters on it are good cause it displays a very close example of what the can/host sounds like when shot in person. Ill be shooting most of my cans tomorrow, ill take video and post them up. :)

brian321
01-31-2010, 14:05
I have the new FLIP HD(720P) camera, and it takes great video along with stereo sound, and it seems the hi/lo filters on it are good cause it displays a very close example of what the can/host sounds like when shot in person. Ill be shooting most of my cans tomorrow, ill take video and post them up. :)
Sounds good i will be interested in them, I also just god my taxes back so im ready to buy something i just dont know what yet:supergrin:

DustyJacket
01-31-2010, 14:25
I posted 2 videos on youtube. Same can, same rounds, two different cameras.

One camera you hear it as it is, the other one you get a muffled pop and hear the action cycle.

Just don't expect one to be nearly as quiet as Hollywood, unless it is a .22LR

hatidua
01-31-2010, 16:57
To the OP - find someone local to you that will let you shoot theirs. Even one time will likely have you running to get your paperwork in order.

However, be very careful! NFA items can be very very addictive......I don't know too many people that stop after buying their first one.

brian321
01-31-2010, 17:23
To the OP - find someone local to you that will let you shoot theirs. Even one time will likely have you running to get your paperwork in order.

However, be very careful! NFA items can be very very addictive......I don't know too many people that stop after buying their first one.
Buying weapons/firearms/ammo is already addictive i cant even imagine what it would be like if i bought a f/a weapon. But i think my first is gonna be a suppressor. I hope i dont get to addicted:whistling:

Fireman1291
01-31-2010, 19:30
lol, yeah right...haha. Dude, let me tell ya something, its the worst crack ever. Last year I bought my 1st one, a .22lr can. I told myself its all I needed, blah blah. Fast foward 12months...I now own 6 cans. WTF. lol.

Hang on, its gonna be a wild ride.

brian321
01-31-2010, 19:41
lol, yeah right...haha. Dude, let me tell ya something, its the worst crack ever. Last year I bought my 1st one, a .22lr can. I told myself its all I needed, blah blah. Fast foward 12months...I now own 6 cans. WTF. lol.

Hang on, its gonna be a wild ride.
:rofl:I will probably be in the same boat as you before to long LOL. Do you own any fully autos yet?

r2kba
02-01-2010, 12:07
I don't trust youtube videos on silencers. Some match with reality, others don't.

As an example look at the silenced AK videos.
The only way you can make an AK silent is to turn off the gas system. When the gas system is on, it is like shooting a revolver, the noise escapes through the gap. But you will find videos where someone is shooting a silent AK. This doesn't work.


Yep This varies widely. Any semi auto is noisy without subsonic ammo, and even the bolt clanking is louder than the ammo in some cases. The hissing of the gass is not necessarily what is what causes the noise.

The hollywood quiet is not possible in most cases unless your using subsonic ammo and a boltgun.

On youtube videos, it depends of course. The terrain, the quality of the mic on the camera, etc. A proper way to shoot video is to use either an unsuppressed gun next to it, or to use alternating subsonic/non subsonic ammo so the viewer can perceive the difference. Thats the only real way to judge how a can performs in video. Video will give a pretty good general idea though as long as the viewer understands a few variables in video posted online.

I'll post some video of my TALON upper when I get it in and try to have someone else shooting also to give better idea of whats going on.

r2kba
02-01-2010, 12:08
lol, yeah right...haha. Dude, let me tell ya something, its the worst crack ever. Last year I bought my 1st one, a .22lr can. I told myself its all I needed, blah blah. Fast foward 12months...I now own 6 cans. WTF. lol.

Hang on, its gonna be a wild ride.



I'm working on my 5th now too :)

Fireman1291
02-01-2010, 20:26
Working on video now. Shot all the pistol cans today.....Ill post the video in a few.
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n273/fireman1291/VID00414.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n273/fireman1291/VID00419.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n273/fireman1291/VID00421.jpg

jdavionic
02-01-2010, 20:51
What does a good 9mm setup cost? I'm guessing

~$215 for the permit
~$320 for the threaded barrel
~$400 for the supressor

Is that a good ballpark?

brian321
02-01-2010, 21:06
Working on video now. Shot all the pistol cans today.....Ill post the video in a few.
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n273/fireman1291/VID00414.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n273/fireman1291/VID00419.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n273/fireman1291/VID00421.jpg
Sounds good im looking forward to it.

brian321
02-01-2010, 21:08
What does a good 9mm setup cost? I'm guessing

~$215 for the permit
~$320 for the threaded barrel
~$400 for the supressor

Is that a good ballpark?
$200 for the tax stamp
$$$ depends on the barrel
The suppressors im looking at range from $600-900ish

Fireman1291
02-01-2010, 21:23
Video Info:

I'll try to answer some questions before they are asked....

Taken 2/1/2010 around 2pm
Light rain and around 50degrees F

The wetland conservation was full of water, so the rounds hitting the edge of the woodline made a lot of impact noise when it hit the water. Most of our sound that day came from the bullets impact on mud/water.

Hosts:

Beretta M92FS
HK USPT45
P22
P22 OD green
Savage MK2 .22lr
Glock26

Suppressors:

Degroat tactical armament MK9 MOD0(Its "zero", but I kept saying "o" lol)
SWR HEMS2
AWC Archangel Titanium
Silencerco Sparrow



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxNhgK0yWw4

brian321
02-01-2010, 22:42
That water was LOUD i have shot a .22lr just like that with a built in suppressor and it was no where near that loud(i could tell it was the water). Did you fire those wet or dry?

DustyJacket
02-01-2010, 23:14
What does a good 9mm setup cost? I'm guessing

~$215 for the permit
~$320 for the threaded barrel
~$400 for the supressor

Is that a good ballpark?

$200 transfer tax
??? 2 passport photos
??? 2 fingerprint cards
??? postage
$150-$250 for a threaded barrel
$600 and up for the can

Fireman1291
02-02-2010, 05:20
All the cans were fired dry except the SWR HEMS2 which is a wet can.

r2kba
02-02-2010, 12:16
Video Info:


AWC Archangel Titanium
Silencerco Sparrow



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxNhgK0yWw4


Nice video though. I think as you said the echo of the structures gave a false impression of how loud the can's were, but I'm wondering if those 147s did not go supersonic?

Fireman1291
02-02-2010, 13:12
Nice video though. I think as you said the echo of the structures gave a false impression of how loud the can's were, but I'm wondering if those 147s did not go supersonic?

No, I think we just had everything working against us. We had a 2 story house to the rear, house on the side, fence on the side, and woods full of water. So the sound waves had a giant wet box to bounce in.:rofl: At the shooters location it was quiet, the mic on that camera picks up everything though.

brian321
02-02-2010, 13:29
Im just gonna have to get one and see for myself:whistling:

RWBlue
02-02-2010, 19:18
Yep This varies widely. Any semi auto is noisy without subsonic ammo, and even the bolt clanking is louder than the ammo in some cases. The hissing of the gass is not necessarily what is what causes the noise.

The hollywood quiet is not possible in most cases unless your using subsonic ammo and a boltgun.

On youtube videos, it depends of course. The terrain, the quality of the mic on the camera, etc. A proper way to shoot video is to use either an unsuppressed gun next to it, or to use alternating subsonic/non subsonic ammo so the viewer can perceive the difference. Thats the only real way to judge how a can performs in video. Video will give a pretty good general idea though as long as the viewer understands a few variables in video posted online.

I'll post some video of my TALON upper when I get it in and try to have someone else shooting also to give better idea of whats going on.

When discussing suppressed AK noise, I am not talking about the semi-auto action. It is a boom from the hole in the barrel.

Semi-auto action is loud in comparison to a closed action, but for the most part is doesn't bother me.

r2kba
02-03-2010, 00:56
No, I think we just had everything working against us. We had a 2 story house to the rear, house on the side, fence on the side, and woods full of water. So the sound waves had a giant wet box to bounce in.:rofl: At the shooters location it was quiet, the mic on that camera picks up everything though.

Yeah it seemed like the mic was picking up more echos and making it seem louder.

r2kba
02-03-2010, 00:57
When discussing suppressed AK noise, I am not talking about the semi-auto action. It is a boom from the hole in the barrel.

Semi-auto action is loud in comparison to a closed action, but for the most part is doesn't bother me.


Well, generally the bolt slap on a semi is louder than the subsonic bullet discharge anyways.

My mk2 bolt is pretty snappy.

Hedo1
02-03-2010, 10:58
I think they are worth every penny. I don't have a handgun suppressor yet...but the rifle suppressors are outstanding. Greatly reduce the noise and for precision work they also tighten up your groups by 20-30% imo.

liquidsniper
02-03-2010, 16:04
I love my suppressors. My m4-1000 greatly reduces the noise (it's still loud) and also I have found it helps a great deal with my follow up shots when I shoot matches with my carbine. Probably due to the lack of flash and bang. I just got my 22lr suppressor (SWR Warlock) for my p22 host. I can go plinking in my backyard with a good backstop and the neighbors don't even look over in my direction (I live in suburbia too) with subsonic 22lr. I do have a silencerco 45 osprey on the way, they are supposed to be wicked quiet. All in all, Get Sum!!

RWBlue
02-03-2010, 18:52
Greatly reduce the noise and for precision work they also tighten up your groups by 20-30% imo.

Very subjective.
In some cases it will. In some cases it will not.

malleable
02-03-2010, 19:02
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r2kba
02-04-2010, 12:16
I think they are worth every penny. I don't have a handgun suppressor yet...but the rifle suppressors are outstanding. Greatly reduce the noise and for precision work they also tighten up your groups by 20-30% imo.



This percentage depends on how the can is attached and tightened down.

Fireman1291
02-07-2010, 08:41
Here is what they sound like in a giant metal room.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ3xScCk5fE

Made a buddy of mine giggle like a school girl, it was his 1st time shooting suppressed.

brian321
02-07-2010, 10:46
Thats awesome, Well i got my taxes back and decided to save up a little more and get a suppressed full auto:wow:. Its gonna be a few months for me to get the rest of the money. Im still trying to decide between an UZI or Sterling.

DustyJacket
02-07-2010, 10:56
Make sure you have a place to shoot an FA before you buy one....

Most commersial places don't allow it, but some do.

biggin215
02-10-2010, 01:33
I wanna suppress my Ar-15 so bad! And my G21....and my G19.....and my DPMS 308. I needa win the lottery :(

brian321
02-10-2010, 09:05
Make sure you have a place to shoot an FA before you buy one....

Most commersial places don't allow it, but some do.
Yea i know of 2 ranges that i can go to but they are a bit of a drive, Also my friend has some land out in the sticks. Besides that wouldnt stop me from getting one as bad as i have been wanting one for the past year.

r2kba
02-10-2010, 11:29
Here is what they sound like in a giant metal room.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ3xScCk5fE

Made a buddy of mine giggle like a school girl, it was his 1st time shooting suppressed.


Good video!

fifty2you
03-17-2010, 23:48
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DriBak
03-20-2010, 19:55
I have 3 .22 cans, have not decided which to make my 4th, I'm about to send in a Form 1 for my first, but not last SBR

fifty2you
03-20-2010, 20:49
I have 3 .22 cans, have not decided which to make my 4th, I'm about to send in a Form 1 for my first, but not last SBR

I'm looking to get a 22 can do I send paper work in to ATF first then after it comes back order one throw my dealer or ???? The only dealer around me the is class 3 is a hour away so I really don't know the steps! Thanks for info

DustyJacket
03-20-2010, 21:11
You buy it first and the dealer holds onto it while the transfer paperwork gets approved. The 4200 is called the transfer tax, and the form is an application to transfer the item to a new owner.

Gadsdan
03-11-2014, 06:13
I shot a suppressed .45 this weekend, it was magic. I don't know when, but I will get one.

Bravo 1
03-11-2014, 06:23
NO!!!!

They suck and cost too much!!!

The feds will insert a tracker in your body for the rest of your life and perform no-knocks occasionally for the first 25-35 years of your taking ownership of any NFA item.

The wait it entirely too long and ear muffs are cheaper.

Hoser
03-16-2014, 16:54
I own several suppressors. In fact I even use a suppressor on my Anschutz Air Rifle. If I could make them mandatory I would.

The wait for an individual is 10-12 months and the e-file trust wait is 3.5 months.

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