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Angry Fist
01-30-2010, 21:22
I would say 9mm and .45, due to combat use. And various .22's for hunting, but what about documented shootings?

fredj338
01-30-2010, 23:23
Wow, kind of a sick question don't ya think?

OLEDAVE
01-30-2010, 23:28
:popcorn:

jesse2205
01-30-2010, 23:44
I would say 9mm and .45, due to combat use. And various .22's for hunting, but what about documented shootings?

This is not a video game forum...

Warp
01-30-2010, 23:53
Doesn't matter, don't want to know.

Angry Fist
01-31-2010, 00:22
Its really a nothing more than a trivia question for me, which has more relevance than a lot of OP's around here. I'm asking anyone who may know something. We've all heard about the one-shot stoppers, but which rounds turn up in fatal shootings the most often? I am beginning to think that I like ammo more than guns, that's all. Seems to occupy more of my research time than specific gun-related topics.

thegriz18
01-31-2010, 00:48
I think you have to specify. In America, or the world in general? If it is the world in general, military combat included, I'd guess 9x19mm. If you were talking just the USA, civilian shootings, I might still say 9x19mm, but wouldn't be surprised if it was .380 Auto. IIRC, the cartridge with the most "kills" as you put it in America is the .22lr. However, I don't stay too up to date on those stats.

Eagle22
01-31-2010, 06:50
There have been threads by Several CSI Officers and Wound Experts that may have some data.

c5367
01-31-2010, 06:52
22lr.

true story.

1sgranger75
01-31-2010, 07:10
I would also have to agree on the 9mm and .45 cal. The Army had the 1911 in service in three wars.

ChaneyD
01-31-2010, 07:15
If you're talking police in this country & home defense shooting since 1900, I would probably say .357mag.

chasbo00
01-31-2010, 08:06
Here is a FBI 10-year study of LEOs feloniously killed with firearms by caliber. Results may be surprising to some.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2004/table34.htm

Tailhunter
01-31-2010, 08:31
why must we be so PC ... oh, that's right guns have nothing to do with killing. :upeyes:

Mrs_Esterhouse
01-31-2010, 08:55
Oops, didn't see 'pistol'...

9mm for sure.

fredj338
01-31-2010, 09:05
Its really a nothing more than a trivia question for me, which has more relevance than a lot of OP's around here. I'm asking anyone who may know something. We've all heard about the one-shot stoppers, but which rounds turn up in fatal shootings the most often? I am beginning to think that I like ammo more than guns, that's all. Seems to occupy more of my research time than specific gun-related topics.
It has no relevance as anything can & will eventually kill, regardless of caliber. DOn;t make it to the E in time & you will eventually die from a COM shot, 22lr to 600NE.:upeyes:

fredj338
01-31-2010, 09:09
why must we be so PC ... oh, that's right guns have nothing to do with killing. :upeyes:
It's not PC, it's mind set. Unless you are running ops in Iraq or hunting game, the "killing" potential of a bullet is not really relevant. 99.9% of all gun owners will NEVER fire a shot in SD & if they do, it's TO STOP THE ATTACK. That is the correct mind set. Whether th BG ddies or not is not your concern, it's STOP THE ATTACK. Anything other than that I you'll find yourself in a very dark emotional place very quickly. Not to mention the legal ramifications when they pull your computor & find krap questions like this.:whistling:

Joshhtn
01-31-2010, 09:12
Here is a FBI 10-year study of LEOs feloniously killed with firearms by caliber. Results may be surprising to some.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2004/table34.htm


Interesting.

Warp
01-31-2010, 10:43
why must we be so PC ... oh, that's right guns have nothing to do with killing. :upeyes:


This isn't about being PC.

ChaneyD
01-31-2010, 10:45
It's not PC, it's mind set. Unless you are running ops in Iraq or hunting game, the "killing" potential of a bullet is not really relevant. 99.9% of all gun owners will NEVER fire a shot in SD & if they do, it's TO STOP THE ATTACK. That is the correct mind set. Whether th BG ddies or not is not your concern, it's STOP THE ATTACK. Anything other than that I you'll find yourself in a very dark emotional place very quickly. Not to mention the legal ramifications when they pull your computor & find krap questions like this.:whistling:

Well said.

Alden2
01-31-2010, 10:56
Here is a FBI 10-year study of LEOs feloniously killed with firearms by caliber. Results may be surprising to some.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2004/table34.htm

All that tells you is that the average street thug likes his 9mm.

sigcalcatrant
01-31-2010, 11:30
I would also have to agree on the 9mm and .45 cal. The Army had the 1911 in service in three wars.There have been a lot of wars that the U.S. wasn't in. Only the U.S. uses the. 45 ACP in significant numbers. The 9mm Luger for the win.

Darkangel1846
01-31-2010, 11:40
9mm, 762X39 & 12 G.....seem to be the winners.

Bones13
01-31-2010, 13:10
The only thing that table shows is that there are more 9mms in circulation. It's just a straight kill count.

JDK721
01-31-2010, 13:36
......

mteagle1
01-31-2010, 13:43
That was an interesting report but what I think it shows is that there are more 9mm's available to the bad guy. Remember the FBI was using 9mm's during the Miami shootout and one of the bad guys took a shot to the heart before he shot several other agents. So even a well placed shot is not necessarily a kill shot every time.

Bones13
01-31-2010, 14:08
That was an interesting report but what I think it shows is that there are more 9mm's available to the bad guy. Remember the FBI was using 9mm's during the Miami shootout and one of the bad guys took a shot to the heart before he shot several other agents. So even a well placed shot is not necessarily a kill shot every time.

I thought it didn't hit his heart but stopped just short?

j-glock22
01-31-2010, 14:17
Wow, what a creative way to start another Calibar War. :shame:

packinaglock
01-31-2010, 14:21
There have been a lot of wars that the U.S. wasn't in. Only the U.S. uses the. 45 ACP in significant numbers. The 9mm Luger for the win.

Agreed

RWM
01-31-2010, 14:29
I would say 9mm and .45, due to combat use. And various .22's for hunting, but what about documented shootings?

I'll bet it's the 10mm. A lot of bad mofos use it.

Joshhtn
01-31-2010, 14:32
I'll bet it's the 10mm. A lot of bad mofos use it.


:rofl:

Warp
01-31-2010, 15:06
I thought it didn't hit his heart but stopped just short?


Correct.

An inch short as it hit his arm and had a long ways to go.

sigcalcatrant
01-31-2010, 15:17
Correct.

An inch short as it hit his arm and had a long ways to go.Correct. The Winchester Silvertip also penetrated the rear window and front seat also, if my feeble memory serves.

Alden2
01-31-2010, 15:29
My ex-father in law was a retired FBI agent.

He once told me the Mafia in NYC in the 1970s loved using the .357 magnum for their hits.

texas 48
01-31-2010, 17:51
All that tells you is that the average street thug likes his 9mm.

Tells me that 9mm's and ammo are cheap and plentiful for thugs and gangstas and they fire better when pointed sideways.

Alden2
01-31-2010, 18:05
Tells me that 9mm's and ammo are cheap and plentiful for thugs and gangstas and they fire better when pointed sideways.

LOL! True.

Somebody once told me that holding the gun sideways thing started because the thugs all owned the same make and model of a cheap-ass 9mm that would only function correctly if it was held sideways when fired.

Now they all do it, cause it's cool. Like the baggy pants... I heard that started because in state pens they don't let them wear belts, so their pants sagged... and well, you can see why that caught on...

Angry Fist
01-31-2010, 18:10
I heard also that the one-pant-leg up gimmick was to advertise their "services" in the joint.

Berto
01-31-2010, 18:13
That was an interesting report but what I think it shows is that there are more 9mm's available to the bad guy. Remember the FBI was using 9mm's during the Miami shootout and one of the bad guys took a shot to the heart before he shot several other agents. So even a well placed shot is not necessarily a kill shot every time.


The bullet never struck Platt in the heart, it came up short after penetrating his arm and deflating a lung, about an inch short.

Warp
01-31-2010, 19:07
I heard also that the one-pant-leg up gimmick was to advertise their "services" in the joint.

That's what I heard as well

moncoacp
01-31-2010, 19:13
My ex-father in law was a retired FBI agent.

He once told me the Mafia in NYC in the 1970s loved using the .357 magnum for their hits.

Would seem kind of loud for that kind of work. Mossad used .22lr for its up close work. Don't know if that is still true. Don't want to find out either.

Tailhunter
01-31-2010, 20:17
It's not PC, it's mind set. Unless you are running ops in Iraq or hunting game, the "killing" potential of a bullet is not really relevant. 99.9% of all gun owners will NEVER fire a shot in SD & if they do, it's TO STOP THE ATTACK. That is the correct mind set. Whether th BG ddies or not is not your concern, it's STOP THE ATTACK. Anything other than that I you'll find yourself in a very dark emotional place very quickly. Not to mention the legal ramifications when they pull your computor & find krap questions like this.:whistling:

believe what you want ....

Brucev
01-31-2010, 20:54
In trying to formulate an answer to that question one might simply list "all the usual suspects, " but I'd hazard a guess that that dubious distinction would go to the 9mm Luger round... probably a FMJ 9mm Luger. For given that it has been the primary handgun round used by the armed forces of many multiple nations of the world in wars both declared and undeclared, it only stands to reason that the 9mm would be the most likely correct answer.

uz2bUSMC
01-31-2010, 20:58
It's not PC, it's mind set. Unless you are running ops in Iraq or hunting game, the "killing" potential of a bullet is not really relevant. 99.9% of all gun owners will NEVER fire a shot in SD & if they do, it's TO STOP THE ATTACK. That is the correct mind set. Whether th BG ddies or not is not your concern, it's STOP THE ATTACK. Anything other than that I you'll find yourself in a very dark emotional place very quickly. Not to mention the legal ramifications when they pull your computor & find krap questions like this.:whistling:

Agreed!

Angry Fist
01-31-2010, 21:32
In trying to formulate an answer to that question one might simply list "all the usual suspects, " but I'd hazard a guess that that dubious distinction would go to the 9mm Luger round... probably a FMJ 9mm Luger. For given that it has been the primary handgun round used by the armed forces of many multiple nations of the world in wars both declared and undeclared, it only stands to reason that the 9mm would be the most likely correct answer.

Thank you, sir. That is sort of what I had in mind. I figured 9mm due to its history and widespread use. I was more or less looking for interesting info on other calibers. And not just for US scenarios. What about all of the regional conflicts that deployed "non-standard" ammunition? I would like to know, also how the brass falls in historical situations as well, including 19th century use, Far eastern/asian wars, and other conflicts that uncommon rounds scored serious points.

BicycleDay43
01-31-2010, 21:43
I would say 9mm and .45, due to combat use. And various .22's for hunting, but what about documented shootings?

This isn't a counter strike source forum.:upeyes:

GAH you gamers these days, "oMg IlOvE tEh DEAgLe ItS uBeR pWnG!!!!11!"..

Eagle22
02-01-2010, 06:41
Here is a FBI 10-year study of LEOs feloniously killed with firearms by caliber. Results may be surprising to some.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2004/table34.htm


9 mm Not too surprising as there are more 9mm out there.
.38
.40
.45

easyg
02-01-2010, 10:54
Worldwide (including war related shootings): the 9mm.

U.S.A. only (excluding war related shootings): the .38 Special.

DEADEYEGUY
02-01-2010, 23:10
I'd say the 9mm. It has basically been adopted by every nation in the worlds military. Even the Russians are using it now. The .45 is probably next but it is not used nearly as much worldwide as the 9mm. Even in W.W. II most of the major European powers preferred the 9mm. Yes things got tight and they made lots of .32's and .380's. But after W.W. II it became a 9mm world.

fredj338
02-01-2010, 23:27
believe what you want ....
I only believe facts not fantasy & Rambo was just a movie afterall.:upeyes: