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inzone
01-31-2010, 14:32
howdy, I have a relative who is asking me if side by side shotguns are effective for home defense..i wanted to get some group input before I gave them my opinion...thanks in advance....

Joshhtn
01-31-2010, 14:35
I assume 12gauge?...It would be fine... A single shot shotgun (or any gun for that matter) will do the job if shot placement is good.

Faulkner
01-31-2010, 16:22
Double barrelled shotguns have been used for home defense for over a hundred years. They don't get much more user friendly and reliable than a double.

Dr. J Frame
01-31-2010, 17:37
I use one-
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-1/1241521/stoeger002.JPG

Joshhtn
01-31-2010, 18:01
^^^^ love it!!!!!

mitchshrader
01-31-2010, 18:01
just figure the odds of YOU walking in on one. You can't figure them for me, cause I wouldn't.

David Armstrong
02-01-2010, 12:18
howdy, I have a relative who is asking me if side by side shotguns are effective for home defense
Yes, it is.

22highcaps
02-01-2010, 18:35
Sure they will work. However there are better choices.

TxGun
02-01-2010, 18:40
Double barrelled shotguns have been used for home defense for over a hundred years. They don't get much more user friendly and reliable than a double.

:thumbsup:

flagg
02-02-2010, 13:02
with training, you could probably do better than someone with a fancy-pants tactical shotgun.

tebklr
02-02-2010, 19:22
As others have mentioned, a SxS can be a great HD weapon. Relatively short and handy; especially in "coach gun" configs.

Prolly best to have one with two triggers, internal hammers, and extractors (as opposed to ejectors) so it can be easily topped off without having to load both barrels each time its cracked open if only firing one shot. Preferably, no "auto-on" safety when breaking open. One less thing to manipulate in the heat of the moment.

Training, practice, and shot placement will make it work out just fine.

Blitzer
02-02-2010, 19:37
If one holds the NRA's opinion in high regard they report most home incidents involve one shot fired by the home owner.

Alaskapopo
02-03-2010, 02:05
howdy, I have a relative who is asking me if side by side shotguns are effective for home defense..i wanted to get some group input before I gave them my opinion...thanks in advance....

No. No 2 shot firearm should be considered for any type of defensive situation period. Criminals are like wolves, they like to run in packs.
Pat

Alaskapopo
02-03-2010, 02:08
with training, you could probably do better than someone with a fancy-pants tactical shotgun.

No I don't think so. It would take a whole lot of skill to over come the disadvantages inherent in a double barrel shotgun. The average hit ratio nation wide with cops (better trained than the average home owner) is 25%. With a double you only have 2 shots to miss with. You can do the math.
Pat

vafish
02-03-2010, 09:21
Does this relative have a double barrel shotgun already that they want to use for home defense, or are they going to buy a new shotgun for home defense?

Much like my response in the single barrel shotgun thread, the double will work fine if it is all you have. But a pump action shotgun will be cheaper to buy and will work better.

Pro's to the double barrel shotgun:
1. Simple to operate.
2. Quick second shot with no manipulation of the gun.
3. Very easy to check loaded status.

Con's to the double barrel shotgun:
1. 2nd barrel adds weight.
2. Most of the inexpensive ones use an inertial sear for the 2nd shot, it takes the recoil of the 1st shot to cock the sear for the 2nd shot. Hold the gun loosely at your side and it may not set the sear for the 2nd shot.
3. The cheap import double barrel guns are usually very stiff and hard to open when brand new. They take quite a bit of shooting to wear them in, or you need to send them to a gunsmith to get polished up. If you ask the cowboy action shooters who works on their guns you will end up with a real slick double barrel.
4. Price is higher than a pump gun.
5. Coach guns I have shot kicked like a mule with buckshot loads in spite of their heavier weight.

In short the gun in Dr. JFrames picture will stop an intruder just fine. But so will my pump gun.

And I only have $156 invested in this one and it also has a 26" hunting barrel:

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n75/vafish/Guns/08220004.jpg

J.R. Bob Dobbs
02-03-2010, 11:22
More pro's not listed above:

-ZERO chance of jamming due to feed or extraction problems
-A complete backup hammer sear trigger mechanism (on old-style models), this is essentially two single-shot guns with a common buttstock.
-No magazine spring to wear out if kept loaded

Con:
-Only two shots max

I have a coach-style double barrel, and a 590 pump. I like them both but feel the coach gun is less likely to fail. I keep neither loaded for HD but would not hesitate to use either one if I didn't already have other options.

PeteCamp
02-03-2010, 12:40
My 2 cents worth: I have fired thousands of rounds through SxS doubles - BUT they were AA Target loads that were not suitable for defense (Cowboy Action shooting). Someone mentioned they are heavier. That is not my experience at all. Especially the 18.5 inch models. They are light .. light .. light.

I put a couple of rounds of 00 buck through mine several times just to remind myself what it is like. It HURTS. Even with recoil pads they are not pleasant to shoot with those loads. For an experienced shooter the SxS would be acceptable. For a newcomer, I would start with a good pump.

David Armstrong
02-03-2010, 15:18
The average hit ratio nation wide with cops (better trained than the average home owner) is 25%.
IIRC, that hit rate is primarily handguns. The hit rate for shotguns and rifles is quite a bit higher. During the 1950s a rather interesting military test found the shotgun the firearm that was most likely (out of shotgun, handgun rifle, submachine gun) to accomplish a 1st round hit within 50 meters.

OVERTHEHILLGUY
02-03-2010, 16:44
Many old west sheriffs used double barrel shotguns with great effect. Check with "DOC" Holiday, it was his weapon of choice.

vafish
02-04-2010, 06:27
...... Someone mentioned they are heavier. That is not my experience at all. Especially the 18.5 inch models. They are light .. light .. light.

.....

I mentioned that doubles were heavier.

That was based on my handling double barreled shotguns, most of which had longer barrels. And after doing some more checking, the Stoeger Coach guns with 20" barrels weigh 6 1/2 lbs which is the same as a Mossberg 500 with a 18.5" barrel and synthetic stock.

So weight is not really a factor either way.

method
02-04-2010, 09:29
Many old west sheriffs used double barrel shotguns with great effect. Check with "DOC" Holiday, it was his weapon of choice.

As far as shotguns are concerned, what other choices did these old west figures have? Doc Holliday was dead by the time repeating shotguns appeared on the scene.

OVERTHEHILLGUY
02-04-2010, 10:52
:crying:Yes , John Henry "Doc" Holliday died in November 1887 in Glenwood Springs, co. at the age of 36 years old.

TxGun
02-04-2010, 13:42
No single-shot, double gun, or pump gun is adequate for HD. :upeyes:

You must have one of these, or your response capability is far too limited: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://hight3ch.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/auto_shotgun.png&imgrefurl=http://hight3ch.com/automatic-shotgun-300-roundsmin/&h=267&w=400&sz=181&tbnid=bRirtQlyuwd12M:&tbnh=83&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dauto%2Bshotgun&usg=__2bYCnBdBPRviQFp6y5uZEZ9Q8-k=&ei=hzBrS7HdLs2vtgekoJX8BQ&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&ved=0CAcQ9QEwAA

:rofl:

K.Kiser
02-04-2010, 20:35
There may be better defense weapons than a dbl barrel, but it's by no means something that should make You feel insufficient... I, like many others own all functions of shotgun from pump, auto, single shot, and dbl. barrel... I have a 5-shot shell holder on the stocks of them all... If I can get to anyone of them quietly, I then feel the bad Guy is at a serious disadvantage... He is in My habitat of which I'm acutely familiar with, and and I know everywhere and everything in My home that's makes a squeek or pop... Also, He is the one being stalked... I think these are the sentiments of the vast majority or armed and skilled home owners...

DaGroaner
02-04-2010, 20:44
My HD shotgun for many years was a Rossi Coachgun. I have evolved over the years to pumps and eventually semi-autos but still kick myself for ever selling that gun off. Now that I own acreage I can think of numerous places in my outbuildings where I'd like to have one stashed.

Narkcop
02-04-2010, 20:51
I have one of NEARLY everything Including a MK-760 Full Auto (That IS reliable). I also have a Stoeger dbl barrel stashed with a sleeve on the buttstock holding extra .12 gauge reduced recoil tactical buckshot loads. In my home, I will take the dbl barrel and feel confident of the outcome.

KaosV
02-05-2010, 01:04
If that's all you have, a side by side will be fine. I have one in the home for HD, among other firearms. If he's looking to purchase a shotgun for HD, I'd go with a pump action.

Shop around and I'm sure he'll be able to find a decent priced Mossberg 500. Don't get caught up in the "tactical" shotguns. A five round, Mossberg field gun will work great.