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a_tack
01-31-2010, 18:16
I will be buying my first evil black rifle in about a month or so. I am clueless when it comes to the AR platform. What are some desireable features I should look for in an AR? I really like Doublestar rifles, Smith and Wesson, and Colt, but doublestar is my first choice. I just don't know what features are a must have. Please give me some tips on black rifle shopping...

1811guy
01-31-2010, 19:54
If you want a lightweight KISS rifle, get a Colt 6520 (AR15 A2).

If you want something with a flat top to mount optics, get a 6721 (AR15-A3), or a 6920 (LE Carbine - M4). The main differences between the two is the twist rate - 6271 is 1:9, and 6920 is 1:7, and the barrel cut in the 6920 - a superfluous feature used for mounting 37mm or 40mm grenade launchers (it exits because many PD's use barrel mounted 37mm launcers for less than lethal rounds).

I would prefer the 1:7 twist rate on the 6920. I have the 6520, it too has a 1:7 twist rate.

Yes, just get a Colt. It really is worth the money.

tebklr
01-31-2010, 19:58
Really need a little (OK, a lot) more information. ARs are so adaptable/configurable, that what one person recommends would completely disagree with another's recommendations.

What do you plan/want to do with it:
Bench shooting?
Range toy?
Truck gun?
Iron sights or glass?
Duty weapon (and all the training that goes with that)?
Civilian carbine courses?
Varmint hunting?
Service rifle matches?
NRA high power matches?
A basic rifle to learn about the platform?
Do you live in a "ban" state?

Sorry. Too many questions, but you'll get better answers.

Magnet22
01-31-2010, 20:12
Not to steal the thread but I'm doing some research on one as well. What is a good, affordable, but upgradable platform to start with? I want something that is affordable to get my feet wet, but that I can mod and grow into..

Fire_Medic
01-31-2010, 20:34
Here's some stuff for you guys to READ:

Everything on this site that pertains to you:

http://www.03designgroup.com/

This:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642

This:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7376

This:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=4524

And scrounge through Rob's site as well, lot's of info there:

http://www.tacticalyellowvisor.net/
:wavey:

tebklr
01-31-2010, 20:34
Not to steal the thread but I'm doing some research on one as well. What is a good, affordable, but upgradable platform to start with? I want something that is affordable to get my feet wet, but that I can mod and grow into..

Same basic questions apply....

Where do you think you want to start?

You don't need to know the final "destination" (who really does?), just where you are, and what your needs are in the here and the now.

a_tack
01-31-2010, 20:58
Sorry I left out a little needed info. This gun will be used at the range as well as for coyote hunting. It will probably see a few deer seasons too (with a 10rd mag). Mainly the gun will be for fun. I am not a complete novice, I just dont know as much about AR's as I do, say, 1911's for instance. I would prefer a flat-top upper with a detachable carry handle just in case I decide to mount optics on it. I also prefer the 16" barrel as opposed to a 20". I've been researching them for about a year and have narrowed my choices to colt, s&w, and doublestar. I just want the best bang for my buck.

and please, let me know if im missing out on some lower priced accurate dependable rifles... id like to keep it under $1200

furioso2112
01-31-2010, 22:08
Here's the latest all-around good idea info that comes to mind (could easily differ, lots of little details for this platform):

mid-length gas system (smooths out cycling on a 16")
good bolt carrier group (Bravo Company is frequently mentioned on lists of great bolts)
1 in 7" twist rifling (typically better accuracy with higher-grain rounds, like 62-75 grain)

In fact, I'm suprised that Bravo COmpany has not been recommended yet - they seem to be the go-to place for putting a rifle together these days. I understand your preferred companies, but Bravo Company (BCM) really has a lot supporters (and few, if any, detractors) for building a high-quality reasonably priced AR. They have a great selection of set-ups, from basic assemblies to all parts to complete guns. Cold-hammer forged barrels, stainless steel barrels, standard barrels. Typical plastic handguards to long free-floated handguards. I strongly recommend researching a bit more, putting some thought into what components and materials you want and why, and then buying. The above-listed links are decent places to start.

Among your three choices, I suppose that Colt will get the most postive recommendations, but I also suppose that I will not be the last to recommend BCM. If you have ruled them out, so be it - if you just haven't heard of or checked out their site and reviews, it can't hurt to do so.

Three-Five-Seven
02-01-2010, 10:17
For hunting and range use Colt's, Smith, and Double Star would work, but they wouldn't be my first choice. For hunting and range shooting, I'd like to have a rifle that is a bit more stable and a tiny bit heavier than those battle carbines you mention. I'd also like the benefit of a mid-length action, which none of those manufacturers offer.

Those guns are battle carbines who's main virtue is generous tolerances that can allow the gun to continue operation when extremely hot. Not your mission profile as I understand it.

With the mission you describe, a 16" flat-top with medium heavy barrel would be my choice. While a carb is a bit lighter, it really doesn't shoot paper or game quite as well as a middy with h-bar.

Just saying your choice of gun doesn't seem to match up with your objective.

However, the good news is you can't eat just one!!! Once you buy one AR, you'll have two, or three more within 24 months. This is not a joke, it is an empirical fact proved out on these boards every day. So, you'll eventually have the right rifle for hunting and target shooting no matter what gun you buy today.

USMC03
02-01-2010, 13:12
A good starting point is a quality carbine, quality mags and ammo, a quality optic, a small quality weapon light, and a tactical sling.


If you are going to be using the AR for hunting coyotes, and you want to run 2 different optics, I would suggest getting LaRue mounts. They retain their zero and you can swap out a magnified optic for a red dot in a couple seconds.

Keep in mind that all AR15's are not built to the same standard, and that there isn't much difference in price between great quality and not so good.

Some articles that you may find useful:

Click on the charts in this article and they show a list of features of each manufacturer.
http://www.03designgroup.com/photo/bcm-complete-ar15-upper-and-lower-receivers/icon-bcm-upper-lower.jpg
03designgroup | BCM Complete AR15 Upper and Lower Receivers (http://www.03designgroup.com/reviews/bcm-complete-ar15-upper-and-lower-receivers)


This info also applies to most AR shooters, even though it was directed toward law enforcement when I wrote it:
http://www.03designgroup.com/photo/midlengths-for-leo/icon-midlengths-for-leo.jpg
03designgroup | Advantages of Mid-Length Carbines for Law Enforcement Officers (http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/midlengths-for-leo)


http://www.03designgroup.com/photo/carbine-vs-midlength/icon-carbine-vs-midlength.jpg
03designgroup | Carbine vs. Mid-Length Gas System on a 16" Barrel (http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/carbine-vs-mid-length-gas-system)


http://03designgroup.com/photo/ar15-buttstock-considerations/icon-ar15-buttstock-considerations.jpg
03designgroup | AR15 Buttstock Considerations (http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/ar15-buttstock-considerations)

USMC03
02-01-2010, 13:12
http://www.03designgroup.com/photo/aimpoint-3x-magnifier/icon-aimpoint-3x-magnifier.jpg
03designgroup | Aimpoint 3x Magnifier and LaRue Tactical QD Pivot Mount (http://www.03designgroup.com/reviews/aimpoint-3x-magnifier)


http://www.03designgroup.com/img/3xt1.jpg
03designgroup | Getting the 3x Magnifier closer to the Aimpoint Micro T1 (http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/aimpoint-3x-magnifier-with-t1-larue)


http://www.03designgroup.com/photo/trijicon-acog-considerations/icon-trijicon-acog-considerations-new.jpg
03designgroup | Trijicon ACOG Considerations (http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/trijicon-acog-considerations)



http://www.03designgroup.com/photo/tactical-slings-for-the-carbine/icon-tactical-slings.jpg
03designgroup | Tactical Slings For The Carbine (http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/tactical-slings-for-the-carbine)

nathanours
02-01-2010, 16:55
Go with a colt le6920. That's what I did and you won't be disappointed.

loki993
02-02-2010, 15:07
Sorry I left out a little needed info. This gun will be used at the range as well as for coyote hunting. It will probably see a few deer seasons too (with a 10rd mag). Mainly the gun will be for fun. I am not a complete novice, I just dont know as much about AR's as I do, say, 1911's for instance. I would prefer a flat-top upper with a detachable carry handle just in case I decide to mount optics on it. I also prefer the 16" barrel as opposed to a 20". I've been researching them for about a year and have narrowed my choices to colt, s&w, and doublestar. I just want the best bang for my buck.

and please, let me know if im missing out on some lower priced accurate dependable rifles... id like to keep it under $1200

You pretty much just explained the 6920 to a T. Right now I believe you can find them for around 1200 also. Get that. I wouldn't even consider a Doublestar if I could afford a Colt, but that's just me.

pleaforwar
02-02-2010, 15:46
A_Tack:

There have been some excellent recommendations from other members. I would strongly recommend you get the best for your buck, which would include BCM, Colt, LMT, Daniel Defense, and Noveske.

If you get a chance, check out some of our uppers too. We extend a discount to Glocktalkers and build uppers specifically to your needs. You can view our website here (http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/home.asp) and see if we offer anything down your alley. :thumbsup:

Whichever route you take, please post some pics and a range report as reviews can be extremely helpful.

S/F,
Dan

Nutt51
02-03-2010, 12:03
There are so many variations for the AR that it can become confusing.
I don't know at what ranges you will be hunting yote's and deer,
but I just wanted to throw another option at you.
I cannot recommend a better product than BCM.
I own a Colt HBAR and a BCM middy and they are both excellent.
There are other fine AR's out there LMT, DD, Noveske.
and I am sure fans of others, so I am not dissing them, just speaking
from my own experience.
If you are going to use your new rifle for range, plinking, hunting and not
so much for tactical or HD, I would look at the BCM middy upper with
the 16" 1/8 twist stainless barrel. The mid-length is a fine platform
and the ss barrel will give fine accuracy when scoped for hunting.
Some folks say the standard barrel is fine and I tend to agree at certain
ranges, but not costing that much more, I would opt for the ss barrel
for its potential better accuracy at longer ranges in a middy platform.

Conan1
02-03-2010, 18:00
This came from another forum but I found it to be very helpful to me since I didn't know much about the AR platform at all. I did buy a CMMG though and really like it.
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