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OVERTHEHILLGUY
02-03-2010, 20:00
Why should I spend +$2,000+ on a 1911 when Colt's makes a great 1911 for half that price?

ronin.45
02-03-2010, 20:03
Because Colt doesn't make a great 1911.

There are many good production 1911's but you need to go semi-custom or full custom to get a great one.

Brass Nazi
02-03-2010, 20:06
There are many good production 1911's but you need to go semi-custom or full custom to get a great one.


:chatter:

Nope, There are many good shooting 1911s that are not a custom. They may not be as refined but some can shoot as good or better than a full custom.

Rinspeed
02-03-2010, 20:38
For me paying the extra money for a semi-custom was mostly about the quality of parts and the extra handfitting.

AZ Husker
02-03-2010, 20:45
I shot a Colt for many years. Several years ago, I had the opportunity to play with and fire an Ed Brown. That's all it took. The fine workmanship and superior parts fitting makes it obvious. I still have that Colt, but it spent some time at Chuck Roger's shop bringing it up to custom standards. Guess it's something you have to experience.

Of course, I could ask the OP why you'd spend $1000 on a Colt when you can buy a Taurus for half that?

glock2740
02-03-2010, 20:47
There a ton of 1911's that are great shooters and reliable as hell, for way under $2000.

Steel Head
02-03-2010, 21:03
For the same reason I put an $8000 motor,$2500 tranny,$1500 in disk brakes, and on and on in a 46 year old car that cost 3000 new

LOVE:tongueout:

Shortimer
02-03-2010, 21:08
If you can afford one and are willing to pay $2000.00 or more for a 1911 thats great. People have a fondness for fine craftsmanship, quality & name brand status. I have a $450.00 RIA & a $1000.00 Sig C3 & both are very reliable. The Rock shoots as accurate but is just meat & potatoes. The Sig is much nicer & looks a hell of a lot better. In the end a paper target at 25 yds can't tell the difference. More power to the guys that have the custom 1911s. If I had the extra coin I'd go for one to.

bac1023
02-03-2010, 21:09
Why should I spend +$2,000+ on a 1911 when Colt's makes a great 1911 for half that price?

LOL!

Most Colts are good 1911s, but they're production guns, not semi custom models.

Big difference.

ronin.45
02-03-2010, 21:17
LOL!

Most Colts are good 1911s, but they're production guns, not semi custom models.

Big difference.

Thanks for the BAC-up on this one.:supergrin:

drc767
02-03-2010, 21:35
Why should I spend +$2,000+ on a 1911 when Colt's makes a great 1911 for half that price?

Colt is not even the best of the entry level production 1911's for the money, in my opinion. I would take a Springfield over a Colt any day of the week. That being said, as previously stated, comparing a Colt to a $2.000+ semi custom is not even a realistic comparison.

faawrenchbndr
02-03-2010, 21:43
Why should I spend +$2,000+ on a 1911 when Colt's makes a great 1911 for half that price?

.... Of course, I could ask the OP why you'd spend $1000 on a Colt when you can buy a Taurus for half that?


:duel:

R*E
02-03-2010, 21:59
I need to quit lurking these boards before I go out to see what's the fuss with these $2,000 semicustom guns. I might end up wanting one and buying one.

MacG22
02-03-2010, 22:02
LOL!

Most Colts are good 1911s, but they're production guns, not semi custom models.

Big difference.

Using bullet points, what would you say is the big difference between production and custom models (I'm just interested in your answer).

bac1023
02-03-2010, 22:11
Colt is not even the best of the entry level production 1911's for the money, in my opinion. I would take a Springfield over a Colt any day of the week. That being said, as previously stated, comparing a Colt to a $2.000+ semi custom is not even a realistic comparison.

:agree:

bac1023
02-03-2010, 22:20
Using bullet points, what would you say is the big difference between production and custom models (I'm just interested in your answer).

- Fit and finish
- Trigger
- Accuracy
- Parts quality, as in no metal injection moldings
- Longivity
- Overall feel

etc

OVERTHEHILLGUY
02-03-2010, 22:37
Please define what you consider high quality parts and fine craftsmanship are. Ford vs Lexus, right?

Taurus vs. Colts for half the price??....please check current price.

Up front----I am a Colts snob. The next 1911 I purchase WILL be a colts.:cool: :wow:BUT, I LOVE MY GLOCK 19!!:wow::wow:

bac1023
02-03-2010, 22:55
Up front----I am a Colts snob. The next 1911 I purchase WILL be a colts.:cool: :wow:

If you want to be a 1911 snob, do it right. :tongueout:

OVERTHEHILLGUY
02-03-2010, 22:55
Colt is not even the best of the entry level production 1911's for the money, in my opinion. I would take a Springfield over a Colt any day of the week. That being said, as previously stated, comparing a Colt to a $2.000+ semi custom is not even a realistic comparison.
Please tell me why you feel as you do.

What makes a Springfield better then a Colts?

custom guns vs production guns.........

Lexus vs Ford. they both get you from point A to point B.

Send me all the Colts you don't want.

bac1023
02-03-2010, 23:06
Please tell me why you feel as you do.

What makes a Springfield better then a Colts?

custom guns vs production guns.........

Lexus vs Ford. they both get you from point A to point B.

Send me all the Colts you don't want.


Good Lord :faint:

If you aren't going to listen to anybody, why ask?

faawrenchbndr
02-03-2010, 23:09
Please tell me why you feel as you do.

What makes a Springfield better then a Colts?

custom guns vs production guns.........

Lexus vs Ford. they both get you from point A to point B.

Send me all the Colts you don't want.


Read what Bac' wrote about five posts up.

AZ Husker
02-03-2010, 23:10
Cocktails? :cheers:

OVERTHEHILLGUY
02-03-2010, 23:16
Just asking. don't get upset. How else will I come to a conclusion.

bac1023---you did not answer my questions. thanks

OVERTHEHILLGUY
02-03-2010, 23:21
cocktails at 5pm WOULD be nice. I'll buy.

Just having a little fun with you guys.

BE HAPPY!!!!

As I said before "I love my Glock 19".

CMG
02-03-2010, 23:32
Why should I spend +$2,000+ on a 1911 when Colt's makes a great 1911 for half that price?

Standards... it's all about standards... clearly yours differ from those of others.

Not good or bad... just different... Armscor and Taurus are literally banking on that!

irontexan27
02-03-2010, 23:34
For the record it is Colt, it wasnt Samuel Colts. No S.

And to agree with everyone else there are a ton of good 1911 choices. If you have 2 grand to burn the fit finish and feel of a 2 grand Les Baer is going to be better than a 1 grand Colt, Kimber or Springer but if you would rather not spend 2 grand plus I doubt you would be dissapointed with a Colt. From what you have said so far it seems you are really after the Colt name anyway, so get what you really want.

bac1023
02-03-2010, 23:39
Just asking. don't get upset. How else will I come to a conclusion.

bac1023---you did not answer my questions. thanks

A true custom gun is hand built, with very acute attention to detail. They're built to exacting tolerances to make them look, function, and perform like one of the best 1911s in the world.

Production guns, like Colt, are just that, production guns. You get what you get, nothing special, nothing unique. Are they good? Sure, most of them are, but comparing one to a good custom makes no sense.

Semi custom 1911s are somewhere in between, depending on the model.



Production

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1705.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1752.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1679.jpg






Semi Custom

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1724s.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1832.jpg

bac1023
02-03-2010, 23:40
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1871.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1877.jpg






Custom

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1689.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_2408-1.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/005-1.jpg

Steel Head
02-04-2010, 00:00
PRETTY
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_1689.jpg

Steel Head
02-04-2010, 00:04
standards... It's all about standards... Clearly yours differ from those of others.

Not good or bad... Just different... Armscor and taurus are literally banking on that!

well put!

Cobra64
02-04-2010, 00:21
LOL!

Most Colts are good 1911s, but they're production guns, not semi custom models.

Big difference.So I guess your Colt/Yost is a POS?

RedTape
02-04-2010, 02:07
I don't think anyone is saying that a Colt or production gun is automatically a POS. But there is a HUGH difference in the fit and finish of a semi-production like a Les Baer/Ed Brown etc. compared to a Colt. The Colt is a good gun, but if you handle it side by side with a semi/custom gun (much less shoot them) you'll be able to tell a difference.

That being said....the extras you get with the more expensive guns might not be worth the extra money for a lot of people. You should be able to get an accurate, reliable 1911 for under $1000. It's a tool. Custom guns are functional works of art. It's like buying an Italian imported sharps vs. a custom ordered Shiloh.

drc767
02-04-2010, 02:13
So I guess your Colt/Yost is a POS?

I think that would fall into the Custom/Semi-Custom catagory....

MD357
02-04-2010, 02:47
Please tell me why you feel as you do.

What makes a Springfield better then a Colts?

custom guns vs production guns.........

Lexus vs Ford. they both get you from point A to point B.

Send me all the Colts you don't want.

Why are you yelling?

Rinspeed
02-04-2010, 05:27
Why are you yelling?






Hard to believe it took 34 posts for someone to ask that. :)

dreis454
02-04-2010, 06:06
BTW its COLT singular..............COLTSin a group.

ps.I live about 25 miles from the ORIGINAL Colt factory.
next time I drive by I'll snap a picture & post it it.

dreis454
02-04-2010, 06:12
I thought Kimber was considered 'custom'?

bac1023
02-04-2010, 06:38
So I guess your Colt/Yost is a POS?

:rofl:

Yost turned a standard production Colt into a custom work of art. :supergrin:

bac1023
02-04-2010, 06:40
Why are you yelling?

Hard to believe it took 34 posts for someone to ask that. :)

I know, but I'm used to it.

Every post he makes is typed that way and I've asked before. :dunno:

Weird

bac1023
02-04-2010, 06:41
I don't think anyone is saying that a Colt or production gun is automatically a POS.

I think that would fall into the Custom/Semi-Custom catagory....

Guys, it was a joke. ;)

bac1023
02-04-2010, 06:42
I thought Kimber was considered 'custom'?

You did? :faint:

drc767
02-04-2010, 07:20
I thought Kimber was considered 'custom'?


About as much as that 70 Big Block Chevelle in your avatar is stock....

bac1023
02-04-2010, 08:15
About as much as that 70 Big Block Chevelle in your avatar is stock....

:rofl:

dreis454
02-04-2010, 09:09
About as much as that 70 Big Block Chevelle in your avatar is stock....

it IS stock!:whistling:

dreis454
02-04-2010, 09:10
I thought Kimber was considered 'custom'?

You did? :faint:

I guess DO learn something new every day:dunno:

bac1023
02-04-2010, 09:17
it IS stock!:whistling:

:animlol:

faawrenchbndr
02-04-2010, 11:14
......Every post he makes is typed that way and I've asked before. :dunno:

It's because of the hearing aid

bac1023
02-04-2010, 11:43
I guess DO learn something new every day:dunno:

That's cool. :wavey:

Shortimer
02-04-2010, 12:16
Guys if we keep typing the fronts larger & larger how are we going to get all the necessary Bull S**t into the subscribed layout. We must be civil. How will we get some good & some totally useless information out to the masses?:rofl:

drc767
02-04-2010, 12:24
it IS stock!:whistling:

Yeah right, stock with a 450 hp shot of N20 :)....the only way a stock Chevy comes off the line like that is if it has a big block Mopar in it.....LOL What does that thing 60'?

GVFlyer
02-04-2010, 13:47
Please don't feed the troll.

bac1023
02-04-2010, 15:20
Please don't feed the troll.

I don't think he's a troll, actually. I think he generally doesn't have the first clue what he's talking about. Of course, he is a bit stubborn too. :whistling:

ronin.45
02-04-2010, 15:26
I don't think he's a troll, actually. I think he generally doesn't have the first clue what he's talking about. Of course, he is a bit stubborn too. :whistling:


And the uderstatement of the year award goes to...

bac1023
02-04-2010, 15:32
And the uderstatement of the year award goes to...

:rofl:

dreis454
02-04-2010, 16:00
Yeah right, stock with a 450 hp shot of N20 :)....the only way a stock Chevy comes off the line like that is if it has a big block Mopar in it.....LOL What does that thing 60'?

1.3xs IF it hooks. usually 1.50 sideways

454 approx. 600 hp & M22 Muncie 4 speed:tongueout:

mostly street driven.

faawrenchbndr
02-04-2010, 16:07
Please don't feed the troll.

You mean these Little Guys? :rofl:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/TROLL-BANK-ALL.jpg

Cobra64
02-04-2010, 16:23
You mean these Little Guys? :rofl:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/TROLL-BANK-ALL.jpg







That's it!

You forgot one...
http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/images/troll.jpg



.

faawrenchbndr
02-04-2010, 16:25
I've been looking for that little Guy!

Thank You Sir! :supergrin:

bac1023
02-04-2010, 17:19
:rofl:

ambluemax
02-04-2010, 17:35
There truely is a huuuge sliding scale in what is available in the 1911 world quality wise. As BAC has said, basically the more you spend, the more refined the product gets in fit and finish, quality of parts, ect. There is a HUUUGE difference and if you get guns of varying grades side by side they are pretty apparent (if you are being objective). I've handled colts in the store and I'm not a fan...the parts they use seem sub par compared to what some others are using at simular price points and the way they are put together feels very gritty to me. On higher end guns, everything fits just right- not free play. The tight fitting also makes the actions feel very smooth. Pull the slide back on something sub-$1k it usually feels like the slide is litterally dragging on the slide rails vs the higher end guns feel like they are on buttery smooth ball bearings. I also notice that the lower end 1911s loosen up more with time vs higher end ones seem to smooth out even more but still be tight. Also, there are generally fewer sharp or rough edges the more you spend so they are easier on your hands too.

What does all that matter on the range...depends. If you don't shoot much and just want lead to come out the end, it doesn't make a hill-o-beans difference. If you shoot a fair amount you can feel the difference. If you shoot a lot you can feel and appreciate the difference...and really miss it when you pick up the lower end stuff. Everything is just smoother. Its hard to describe but the difference is real. Its hard to believe until you behold for yourself, but you will believe.

drc767
02-04-2010, 17:55
1.3xs IF it hooks. usually 1.50 sideways

454 approx. 600 hp & M22 Muncie 4 speed:tongueout:

mostly street driven.

Very cool....a 4-Speed Big Block Car. I had a buddy that raced a 69 Chevelle with an M-22. He had three M-22's. One in the car, one ready to go in the car, and one on the bench that just came out of the car.....lol

bac1023
02-04-2010, 18:02
1.3xs IF it hooks. usually 1.50 sideways

454 approx. 600 hp & M22 Muncie 4 speed:tongueout:

mostly street driven.


Very nice.

You would take me in the 1/4 mile for sure.

As for top speed and twisties, see ya. :tongueout:


http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/4853/0000200fd6.jpg

drc767
02-04-2010, 18:27
Damn, Bac......I can't come close to that, but here is my toy.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/vette2.jpg

bac1023
02-04-2010, 18:29
Beautiful :hearts:

GVFlyer
02-04-2010, 19:27
Very nice.

You would take me in the 1/4 mile for sure.

As for top speed and twisties, see ya. :tongueout:


http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/4853/0000200fd6.jpg

Gotta love a Lotus.

txleapd
02-04-2010, 19:29
There are many good production 1911's but you need to go semi-custom or full custom to get a great one.

I don't know whether or not to agree with you. I ordered an STI Trojan from Dave Dawson about 6 years ago. It was a custom order from the factory only in that it came with fixed sights instead of adjustable sights, and he did his LE enhancement package (i.e. magic) for me. While I don't call it a custom (or semi-custom) pistol, it is definitely a great gun.

GVFlyer
02-04-2010, 19:33
Damn, Bac......I can't come close to that, but here is my toy.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/drc767/vette2.jpg

Beautiful Corvette! Is that a '64 or a '65?

drc767
02-04-2010, 19:44
GVFlyer.....thanks for the compliment. It is a 1965 327/350hp 4-Speed car.

bac1023
02-04-2010, 19:45
GVFlyer.....thanks for the compliment. It is a 1965 327/350hp 4-Speed car.

:thumbsup:

bac1023
02-04-2010, 19:46
Gotta love a Lotus.

Thanks GV.

Its got the V8 TT engine. :supergrin:

drc767
02-04-2010, 19:52
Thanks GV.

Its got the V8 TT engine. :supergrin:

I would love to run that dude through its paces......Looks like a way cool ride!!! BAC, is your Lotus a 2003? If so, there were less than 100 delivered to the US, correct? Like I said.....Very, very cool.

Descendant
02-04-2010, 19:53
- Fit and finish
- Trigger
- Accuracy
- Parts quality, as in no metal injection moldings
- Longivity
- Overall feel

etc

BAC, could you tell me about your carry piece. I understand you CCW a Kimber. Don't they have a lot of MIM? Did you replace the MIM parts?

I have been looking at a few Kimbers and a Colt LW Commander. I like both and can't decide. Thanks in advance.

bac1023
02-04-2010, 20:12
I would love to run that dude through its paces......Looks like a way cool ride!!! BAC, is your Lotus a 2003? If so, there were less than 100 delivered to the US, correct? Like I said.....Very, very cool.

Thanks.

Actually, mine is a 1997, which was the first year of the V8. There were very few V8s delivered to the states during any year.

The entire Lotus Esprit model run from 1975-2004 were less than 10,000 cars. Most of them are in Europe. Total V8 production was very low, as in under 2000 or so. Less than half are in the US. Its a very rare sight.

Mine has 16,000 original miles.

bac1023
02-04-2010, 20:13
BAC, could you tell me about your carry piece. I understand you CCW a Kimber. Don't they have a lot of MIM? Did you replace the MIM parts?

I have been looking at a few Kimbers and a Colt LW Commander. I like both and can't decide. Thanks in advance.

Kimber and Colt both use MIM.

My Pro CDP is stock and has never given me any trouble whatsoever.

Descendant
02-04-2010, 20:20
Kimber and Colt both use MIM.

My Pro CDP is stock and has never given me any trouble whatsoever.

Thanks again.

With as many 1911's as you have, that is quite an endorsement for a CCW choice.

bac1023
02-04-2010, 20:23
Thanks again.

With as many 1911's as you have, that is quite an endorsement for a CCW choice.

Well, the fact that its a light weight helps my choice.

Its the only aluminum framed 1911 I own.

Descendant
02-04-2010, 20:30
Well, the fact that its a light weight helps my choice.

Its the only aluminum framed 1911 I own.

Getting back to overthehillguys question; what's your opinion of Colt? As I stated I like the Colt XSE LW Commander that a local shop carries..

And I like the pony. :supergrin:

bac1023
02-04-2010, 20:33
Getting back to overthehillguys question; what's your opinion of Colt? As I stated I like the Colt XSE LW Commander that a local shop carries..

And I like the pony. :supergrin:

I like Colt quite a bit, but the Pro CDP has a better set of features, in my opinion.

OVERTHEHILLGUY
02-05-2010, 20:47
better set of features??
do you own a Colts 1911 or have you ever owned a Colts1911?

Rinspeed
02-05-2010, 20:51
better set of features??
do you own a Colts 1911 or have you ever owned a Colts1911?




He owns them all. :rofl:

OVERTHEHILLGUY
02-05-2010, 20:54
let him speak for him self.

faawrenchbndr
02-05-2010, 21:11
My experience with Colt is that they are "hit or miss", good or poor quality control, no in between.
Features? They seem to be very lost in the past. Colt is very behind the others when it comes to CCW features.
The term "stuck in the 60's" seems to describe COLT very well

bac1023
02-05-2010, 21:15
better set of features??
do you own a Colts 1911 or have you ever owned a Colts1911?

What is a Colts? :dunno:

CMG
02-05-2010, 21:33
...Mine has 16,000 original miles.

That doesn't sound like very many "twisties"! :supergrin:

bac1023
02-05-2010, 21:33
That doesn't sound like very many "twisties"! :supergrin:

LOL!

Well, enough to know what its capable of. :)

CMG
02-05-2010, 21:35
What is a Colts? :dunno:

Perhaps the agitator confuses "Colt's Patent Firearms" with the company logo: Colt :supergrin:

CMG
02-05-2010, 21:36
LOL!

Well, enough to know what its capable of. :)

I'd have a difficult time resisting the frequent urge to test it. :wow:

bac1023
02-05-2010, 21:37
Perhaps the agitator confuses "Colt's Patent Firearms" with the company logo: Colt :supergrin:

"Agitator" fits well. ;)

Rinspeed
02-05-2010, 21:52
let him speak for him self.





I wasn't trying to speak for him, just stating a fact.

faawrenchbndr
02-05-2010, 22:01
What is a Colts? :dunno:

I hate the COLTS!












I sure hope they lose!

OVERTHEHILLGUY
02-05-2010, 22:27
i hate pro football, but ...go colt!

OVERTHEHILLGUY
02-05-2010, 22:41
"Agitator" fits well. ;) I like that name. ease up boys, just suturing the pot a little. colt/colts--does it really matter? by the way, two words for some of you.......spell check.:rofl::rofl::rofl:

GVFlyer
02-06-2010, 00:26
I like that name. ease up boys, just suturing the pot a little. colt/colts--does it really matter? by the way, two words for some of you.......spell check.:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Un-huh, as in "suturing the pot"? That means you're stitching the pot up.

ronin.45
02-06-2010, 00:41
I think "Agitator" is the proper term. He just gets off annoying people who know what they are talking about.

Oh, and does BAC own a "Colts":rofl:

MD357
02-06-2010, 01:00
Hearing gone..... Check
Eyesight gone...... Check
Delusional dementia..... Check

Username fits.

bac1023
02-06-2010, 04:35
Hearing gone..... Check
Eyesight gone...... Check
Delusional dementia..... Check

Username fits.

:rofl:

OVERTHEHILLGUY
02-06-2010, 12:12
Hearing gone..... Check
Eyesight gone...... Check
Delusional dementia..... Check

Username fits.

ok guys, ok you guys..you went and done it now....:crying::crying::crying: you made me cry!! you big old mean-----bloggers!!

:rofl::rofl:

I WAS JUST PULLING YOUR LEG.

hdbob
02-06-2010, 12:26
I kind of like the Dan Wessons...... and Kimber Raptor, and S/A TRP..to me them are better than any colt right now....... I do have an OLD commander that I really Like.... But its the first year commander LW..1950.... Went shooting yesterday, my friends Colt Top Dog( special Combat) has some issues, although think we got it right now, But yesterday his Colt XSE rear sights fell off...... He was giving me **** about my DW Cbob, so There was my chance to rub it in...