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JTLIII
02-03-2010, 19:44
What's the deal with everyone calling them that?

vafish
02-03-2010, 19:45
Because they aren't really a M4, they are close but not quite the real thing.

JTLIII
02-03-2010, 19:48
because of the lack of burst/full auto? or the barrel length?

faawrenchbndr
02-03-2010, 19:53
Here's my Colt "M4gery" :rofl:
Almost done,............all Colt parts.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/ColtM4Carbine.jpg

crazymoose
02-03-2010, 19:54
Semi-auto, and most of them use different materials and manufacturing processes than those specified in the military TDP (technical data package).

For example, a Colt M4 has to use 4150 CMV barrel steel, have a proof-tested, shot-peened bolt, use a fiberglass-reinforced plastic for the furniture, a forged receiver extension with the threads rolled in, and many other specified things. Your average Rock River, Bushmaster, or S&W passes few, if any, of these criteria.

To the best of my knowledge, only Colt actually does every one of those things. Even then, we have to take Colt's word for it, because there are no government inspectors making sure the rifles going into law enforcement and civilian hands actually adhere to the same military standard.

faawrenchbndr
02-03-2010, 20:39
My Colt is good acording to the "All Mighty Chart"

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/Theallknowingchart.jpg

DGreno
02-03-2010, 20:51
Semi-auto, and most of them use different materials and manufacturing processes than those specified in the military TDP (technical data package).

This is my reasoning.

CatsMeow
02-03-2010, 21:26
My Colt is good acording to the "All Mighty Chart"

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/Theallknowingchart.jpg

That chart really shook me, so I ended up with a Noveske N4 Light Basic upper. With the blue extractor spring insert... tell that to my fingers who tried to pull out the extractor pin, turned out the extractor spring also came with an O-ring.

M4gery? Because it doesn't say M4 on the lower.

nathanours
02-03-2010, 22:08
So how is my colt le6920 different than a military issue m4? Only in barrel length and selective fire modes?

CatsMeow
02-03-2010, 22:29
So how is my colt le6920 different than a military issue m4? Only in barrel length and selective fire modes?

Hmmm that's about it. Plus it's YOURS, not Uncle Sam's.

bluejdixon
02-03-2010, 23:47
My Colt is good acording to the "All Mighty Chart"

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/Theallknowingchart.jpg
:rofl: First time seeing that!

lawman800
02-04-2010, 00:04
Because people always try to emulate what they cannot have, in this case the military issued infantry carbine designated M4 made by Colt manufacturing to military specs.

People spec theirs out with all the rails, VFG, optics, sling, and whatnot to try to make it look like something a soldier would carry so it looks the same by all outward appearances but internally, it is not even close.

HAIL CAESAR
02-04-2010, 00:13
:rofl: First time seeing that!

Me too, that is hilarious!:rofl:

Three-Five-Seven
02-04-2010, 07:22
M4 is a copyrighted designation of the Colt's Patented Firearms Manufacturing Company. Any use of the the term "M4" by any other entity is a violation of Colt's intellectual property rights.

Since "M4" is not a generic term defining a type of weapon, it may not be used to describe weapons that are 16" carbines, 1/7 twist barrels, w/ feed ramps made by any manufacturer other than Colt's.

wackjum
02-04-2010, 08:59
M4 is a copyrighted designation of the Colt's Patented Firearms Manufacturing Company. Any use of the the term "M4" by any other entity is a violation of Colt's intellectual property rights.

Since "M4" is not a generic term defining a type of weapon, it may not be used to describe weapons that are 16" carbines, 1/7 twist barrels, w/ feed ramps made by any manufacturer other than Colt's.

Sorry. That's not correct. Colt sued Bushmaster over the use of the M4 trademark in Federal district court and lost. Colt then appealed the ruling to the Federal 1st Circuit and lost there too. So M4 is a generic description.

http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/pdf.opinions/06-1696-01A.pdf

Glockdude1
02-04-2010, 09:05
Sorry. That's not correct. Colt sued Bushmaster over the use of the M4 trademark in Federal district court and lost. Colt then appealed the ruling to the Federal 1st Circuit and lost there too. So M4 is a generic description.

http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/pdf.opinions/06-1696-01A.pdf

:agree:

mangkukhan
02-04-2010, 11:10
Colt lost that court case most likely due to the fact that they sold the rights for the M4 to the military when they took on the contract. The military owns the copyrights to all weapons they use and are allowed to issue copyrights to anyone anytime if they need to. This is generally only done if they are in need of more guns than the manufacturer can produce themselves, so during Desert Storm when Colt was unable to keep up with demand from the Army the military issued a copyright to produce 4000 M4's for them. Just like the 1911, Garand, and M14 which were all produced by several companies. Currently Colt and Bushmaster are the only two companies with copyrights to the M4 and Colt and FNH are the only two with copyrights to the M16 I believe.

RMTactical
02-04-2010, 11:15
Sorry. That's not correct. Colt sued Bushmaster over the use of the M4 trademark in Federal district court and lost. Colt then appealed the ruling to the Federal 1st Circuit and lost there too. So M4 is a generic description.

http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/pdf.opinions/06-1696-01A.pdf

Yep!

M4 is not a designation owned by Colt, although they are the only ones with the contract for making M4's for the military.

Copis
02-04-2010, 11:19
My Colt is good acording to the "All Mighty Chart"

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/Theallknowingchart.jpg

First time for me too......toooooooo funny

bjesse60
02-04-2010, 14:58
A true M4 Carbine regardless of brand are 14.5" in barrel length, there is not a real M4 in combat use that uses a 16" carbine m4 barrel, this is why I prefer my m4gery to be a 14.5 carbine & my 16 to be a midlength. :cool:

faawrenchbndr
02-04-2010, 15:02
A REAL M4 also has "select fire" I'll never have that, soooooooo,........
I perfer a 16" barrel for ease of maintenance. I don't like a pinned & welded flash hider. :supergrin:

faawrenchbndr
02-04-2010, 15:03
First time for me too......toooooooo funny

I can not take credit for it,.......saw it posted elsewhere.

RS2
02-04-2010, 15:08
... I prefer my m4gery to be a 14.5 carbine & my 16 to be a midlength. :cool:

Me too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/ronssmith/Guns/20100112003a.jpg

RUSH2112
02-04-2010, 15:18
I say "M4" because it's simpler to say "I took my M4 to the range today and compared it to my buddy's M4", than to say .....
"I took my AR-15 carbine that looks, feels and operates exactly like a Colt M4 without full auto and 14.5" barrel to the range today and compared it to my buddy's AR-15 carbine that looks, feels and operates exactly like a Colt M4 without full auto and 14.5" barrel."

So, besides "m4gery" or just the general term "Ar-15", what is the specific designation for your standard 16" civilian AR? To say AR-15 carbine is actually less accurate than saying "M4", if you have a profiled barrel, colapsable stock, m4 feedramps, and some other stuff I'm probably forgetting. In other words if I refer to "my civilian M4" you pretty much know what I've got, whereas if I said "my Ar-15 carbine", that's pretty vague.

fragout
02-04-2010, 16:51
The M4(the majority in use) is burst only, the M4A1 is full auto.

DougW
02-04-2010, 17:03
The real thing; my soldier son's M4 in Iraq

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p118/MDWINK/MichaelsM46-30-07b.jpg

M4'gery's

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p118/MDWINK/69112-IMG_0391.jpg