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WEATHERBY460
02-04-2010, 12:16
I am looking for a gun like the ruger competition to shoot for accuracy. What are my options, thanks! or is that the gun to get.

Steel Head
02-04-2010, 13:06
The Ruger SS slab side is a great shooter and quite accurate-BUTT,it's close in price to a S&W 41 and A 41 IS THE .22 to have

research the 41

The best groups I've seen and shot were with a 41:wavey:

vafish
02-04-2010, 13:08
What type of competition?

You can start out with the Ruger, It should last you a long time before you start out shooting it. Next step up would be a Walther SP22M4 or a S+W 41, then you get up into the silly high price range of the European target pistols.

Toml
02-04-2010, 13:13
In the second hand market you could look at the older Hi-Standards and Colt Woodsman.

Euro accuracy without the $$$ would be the now-discontinued Sig-Hammerli Trailside.

Jason D
02-04-2010, 16:43
What type of competition?

You can start out with the Ruger, It should last you a long time before you start out shooting it. Next step up would be a Walther SP22M4 or a S+W 41, then you get up into the silly high price range of the European target pistols.

CDNN Investments has the SP22 Match pistol for less than 400.00 a month or so ago. I debated buying one, but went with Ruger instead. That was only because of the aftermarket accurizing items you can buy for it.

In the second hand market you could look at the older Hi-Standards and Colt Woodsman.

Euro accuracy without the $$$ would be the now-discontinued Sig-Hammerli Trailside.

I have never found a better .22 pistol than an original Hamden High Standard 106/7 Supermatic Citation. If you could find one, buy it.

droberts
02-04-2010, 16:49
My son has a Bad A** Puma! Amazingly accurate ! Ive also got a new unfired fully custom 10/22for sale.

GSSF17
02-04-2010, 19:18
A Browning Buckmark is an excellent pistol out of the box, and with the "Heggis Flip" done on the trigger, is a real winner with little mod and relatively small initial investment.

My standard Buckmark with the Heggis Flip is an absolute balls-on "I" dotter.

I have a shooting partner with a 900 dollar modded out Mk3 Ruger and I still out-shoot him with my buckmark, and after some sheet-talking, we traded guns at a plinking session. He out-shot me with the (MY) Buckmark, and there I stood, with his nearly $1000 pistol in my hand, beat.

Don't get me wrong, I have a Ruger MkIII and love it, but my Buckmark is literally unbeatable in the hands of WHOEVER picks it up.

Just saying, and maybe I got lucky.:cool:

TonyT
02-05-2010, 09:25
I am looking for a gun like the ruger competition to shoot for accuracy. What are my options, thanks! or is that the gun to get.
If you want to be a serious competitor I would advise to start with a S&W Model 41. The S&W 41 is very accurate, has a great trigger right out of the box and is easilly broken down for cleaning.
I shot a S&W 41 for several years and then went to a Walther GSP and finally a Pardini SP. The Walther GSP is superb and very modular in design but I finally opted for the lighter Pardini SP.

deadite
02-05-2010, 10:22
http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/guns%20with%20new%20camera/DSCN0433.jpg

I'd go with the S&W 41. Great gun!

Here is my line-up:
http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/guns%20with%20new%20camera/DSCN0431.jpg

deadite

g34fan
02-05-2010, 10:58
I would go with the S&W Mod41, hands down! I own a fair number of handguns and by far my favorite is my Model 41. Out of the box, the trigger on this gun is better than other guns that have had "trigger jobs" done on them. Well balanced, great grips, great sights. As mentioned by someone else, also one of the easiest guns ever to take apart and service. Works best with CCI SV ammo.

deadite
02-05-2010, 11:12
I would go with the S&W Mod41, hands down! Works best with CCI SV ammo.

+1

deadite

SD Handgunner
02-08-2010, 11:09
There are lots of great .22 LR Target Handguns out there that can be used for Competition. I think the best advise I can offer is to handle (and shoot if possible) as many different .22 LR Target Handguns as is possible and BUY the one that feels the best in YOUR Hands.

Back in 1990 we formed a Club and transformed an old building into an Indoor Shooting Range. In an effort to get shooters shooting we literally grabbed everyone off the street we could find. In the years since our club started I have seen trends in what people are shooting.

The first year or so a lot of shooters went out and bought Ruger MKII's. Some didn't like how they stripped for cleaning and some thought they were to heavy when an optical sight was added. A few years later a lot of shooters went out and traded off their Rugers for Browning Buckmarks. Well for one reason or another those same shooters have since traded their Browning Buckmarks back for Rugers, including the 22/45 versions.

Through the years there have been guys shooting High Standards, S&W Model 41's etc. but the majority of our shooters are back to shooting Rugers. I have a buddy that has a S&W Model 41 with 3 Barrels, 7" Standard, 5 1/2" Bull and 5" Field Barrels. To this day he is shooting his old Ruger MKII, he says it fits his hand better (he has tried several different grips on the S&W Model 41) and it is more accurate.

For me I hate the shape of the S&W Model 41 Trigger & Trigger Guard. No matter what grips I have put on my S&W Model 41 my trigger finger drags on the trigger guard. I have had 2 different S&W Model 41's with 4 different barrels and none of them shot as accurately as the Ruger MKII's I have had.

To be good at Bullseye Shooting the very first thing that needs to happen is the gun has to fit your hand. Sometimes this can be corrected with different grips but the grip angle and such is still the deciding factor.

Good luck with your quest.

Larry

KCTanfoglio
02-11-2010, 19:37
I was about to ask the same question. Man, those 41s are about a grand. How about the Ruger Mark III with a 6" bbl? Are they any good?

How about ammo? Any more accurate than others?

deadite
02-11-2010, 19:59
I was about to ask the same question. Man, those 41s are about a grand. How about the Ruger Mark III with a 6' bbl? Are they any good?

How about ammo? Any more accurate than others?

You can get a S&W model 41 used for around $700.00. That's still alot, but they're worth it.

If you're looking at Ruger Marks, go with a used Mark II. Trust me, you'll be happier. If you don't mind all of the useless extras on the Mark III, they're not bad either.

CCI rimfire ammo is pretty much the way to go. I use CCI Mini-Mags in my Ruger Mark II and CCI Standard Velocity in my 41. My Browning Challenger feeds pretty much anything.

deadite

KCTanfoglio
02-11-2010, 20:10
Thanks, dead. Is this what you're talking about...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=156683105

deadite
02-11-2010, 20:17
Thanks, dead. Is this what you're talking about...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=156683105

Yes, those are nice. My dad has a bull barreled Mark II exactly like it that I tricked out for him with Volquartsen parts and a red-dot. Shoots like a laser with CCI Mini-Mags. :)

Btw, those plastic Ramline mags in the pics are total crap and should be avoided at all costs.

deadite

KCTanfoglio
02-11-2010, 20:43
My last dumb question will be -

Does barrel length on a target pistol get to a point of diminishing returns??

mboylan
02-12-2010, 05:16
If you're serious, you're going to get a S&W 41 anyway. So why waste money on a cheaper gun first?

deadite
02-12-2010, 06:36
My last dumb question will be -

Does barrel length on a target pistol get to a point of diminishing returns??

In my experience, it doesn't make much difference. Most of the guns I had were in the 4-7" barrel range and if I adjusted the sights properly and did my part to fire the gun, they were all about the same. The Challenger and 41 do it a little better and with class, but unless you're going to compete professionally, I doubt that you'd ever see the difference in accuracy. Alot of accuracy is the ammo that you choose.

I have or have had 3 Ruger Marks (2 II's and 1 III), a S&W 41, Browning Challenger, Star model FR-Sport, and a convertable single action rimfire. They all had the ability to be very accurate for a handgun with the exception of the convertable revolver and that's because the convertables (i.e. 22LR and 22Mag cylinders) are barreled for the 22 Mag, also, that's a little bigger in diameter than the 22LR. It's still accurate, but not as accurate as a dedicated 22LR.

deadite

deadite
02-12-2010, 06:39
If you're serious, you're going to get a S&W 41 anyway. So why waste money on a cheaper gun first?

Originally, when I first got into rimfires, I would have liked a Model 41, but I couldn't afford one. I ended up with a cheaper convertable single action. It wasn't accurate at all and I quickly lost interest in them. I had no idea how fun it was to have an accurate rimfire until I got a Ruger Mark III. Then, I was hooked.

It was a process getting to rimfire nirvana. :) You're right, if you're really serious, you'll start out with a 41, but where's the fun in that?:whistling:

deadite.

gaptoof
02-12-2010, 07:14
I have a Benelli MP95E and it is great.

KCTanfoglio
02-12-2010, 12:40
That's the problem - don't know if I'm serious yet. Recently joined a gun club that has a .22 shootout every Wed night that sounds like fun, but it may suck, too. I can get a 6" Mark III at Bud's for under $300. Sounds like the road I may take. Hoping to get my jollies for pennies a round instead of half-dollars. The Benelli, nice, but another $1000 gun.

I've got a Beretta 92 that's scary accurate for a combat gun. Are their .22s worth a damn?

dead, I'm with you on the nirvana thing..... In search of nirvana in a carry gun for myself. Getting real close with a G36.

WEATHERBY460
02-12-2010, 12:44
Whats a fair price for a new 41, i wish they made them in stainless...

deadite
02-12-2010, 15:42
That's the problem - don't know if I'm serious yet. Recently joined a gun club that has a .22 shootout every Wed night that sounds like fun, but it may suck, too. I can get a 6" Mark III at Bud's for under $300. Sounds like the road I may take. Hoping to get my jollies for pennies a round instead of half-dollars. The Benelli, nice, but another $1000 gun.

I've got a Beretta 92 that's scary accurate for a combat gun. Are their .22s worth a damn?

dead, I'm with you on the nirvana thing..... In search of nirvana in a carry gun for myself. Getting real close with a G36.

For what you'll use it for, the Mark III would serve you well. I'd still go with a used Mark II, though.:whistling:

If you end up getting the mark III or the II, you'd really enjoy adding a Volquartsen sear and trigger. If you get the III, it already has a rail for the top and you could install a cheap red-dot. You won't believe the difference it makes in your shooting.

Btw, if you get a Mark, make sure it has adjustable sights unless you're going to make it a red-dot dedicated handgun. The fixed sights are cool, but it's nice to really dial them in with adjustables.

I had a Glock 36 and I liked it alot. It carried really well, but it's sort of a "carry a lot, shoot a little" type gun. They're not incredible fun to shoot and you need to avoid pansy-grip or they stove-pipe. :)

deadite

deadite
02-12-2010, 15:44
Whats a fair price for a new 41, i wish they made them in stainless...

Stainless would be cool, but I dig blued steel and wood. :)

I traded an AK47 for one. Well, more specifically, I sold an AK and then used the cash to buy a used 41.

deadite

mboylan
02-12-2010, 16:13
Whats a fair price for a new 41, i wish they made them in stainless...

$900 is a really good deal. $950 would be the upper limit.

Rys2k8Altima
02-13-2010, 20:34
I really like my Hi Standard
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rysjimmy1994/023.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/rysjimmy1994/023.jpg)

Retired Squid
02-14-2010, 07:50
I have a new S&W M-41 with 7" barrel coming ($772OTD) and it will be replacing the Davidsons Special Hunter Target 22/45 below that has complete Volquartsen trigger kit & sear installed, Wolff recoil & firing pin springs, jeweled bolt, 5 magazines with drop pads and 3/4 pound trigger pull, no creep or over travel. The springs, jeweling and trigger work done by Ruger qualified gunsmith specializing in Ruger guns.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x245/oldnavy6393/MKIII22-45Hunter01.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x245/oldnavy6393/MkIII22-45Hunter02.jpg

GSSF17
02-14-2010, 08:47
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x245/oldnavy6393/MkIII22-45Hunter02.jpg

Congrats on the incoming Smith. But I gotta ask..... WHY would you get rid of that ruger?????? Especially with all those tricks added........:dunno:

Retired Squid
02-14-2010, 10:42
It has never fit my hand correct, because of tnat problem I can shoot better groups with my S&W 22A of all things. The grip over lays were not much help either. So I want to sell or trade if off, but the loss dollar factor there does sit well with me. May end up giving to grandson, who knows.

GSSF17
02-14-2010, 11:05
It has never fit my hand correct, because of tnat problem I can shoot better groups with my S&W 22A of all things. The grip over lays were not much help either. So I want to sell or trade if off, but the loss dollar factor there does sit well with me. May end up giving to grandson, who knows.


Gotcha. It's gotta fit, period.

Yeah, that's what I meant about keeping it, cause you would never get out of it what you got in it. Not even close, probably. Giving it to a family member would be a great idea and a wonderful way to share our sport. :thumbsup:

Retired Squid
02-14-2010, 11:20
You're right there, even now at reactive targets it hoot to shoot and just plink as is the 22A that I bought to do that with. But I'm raising two grandsons so it won't go to waste.

Bullseye300
02-15-2010, 04:56
I shoot in a weekly Bullseye league and currently own an MKIII. It shoots better than I do. We have several guys shooting Rugers, a few H. Standards, and a few Smith 41s. I did the Volquartsen kit on my Ruger and it was worth the $90! Pick something reputable, then get the one that FITS your paw the best. Keep in mind that a vast number of target grips are out there as well.
Bullseye

Retired Squid
02-15-2010, 07:41
Since I don't shoot in any league at the gun club, because it's a small club in a rual county of 44,000 population. So for me the added expense of custom grip just can not in my mind be justified, even the $80 or so for the 22A grips has me dragging my feet. But will probably order as set before summer gets here.

deadite
02-15-2010, 09:04
http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/guns%20with%20new%20camera/DSCN0435.jpg

deadite

It has never fit my hand correct, because of tnat problem I can shoot better groups with my S&W 22A of all things.

Since I don't shoot in any league at the gun club, because it's a small club in a rual county of 44,000 population. So for me the added expense of custom grip just can not in my mind be justified, even the $80 or so for the 22A grips has me dragging my feet. But will probably order as set before summer gets here.

The Herrett's Nationals gripsthat are on my Ruger Mark II made alot of difference in my shooting. They really lock the gun to your hand.

http://www.herrett-stocks.com/national.htm

I traded some electronic muffs for mine on a local Michigan gun forum. :) Looks like you have the 22/45 configuration. Might be hard to find something for them.

It's too bad that you couldn't find a standard lower to swap out.

You'll like your new 41. There are a ton of target grips available for those.

deadite

lkplank
02-19-2010, 20:21
I got a new High Standard Military Trophy last Christmas from the wife. It is the same as the first one I bought back in '73. Just as good a quality as the originals. Here is their web site. http://www.highstandard.com/

Check it out.