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HAIL CAESAR
02-05-2010, 17:58
Just read yourself per this idiot.:rofl:

http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=78337&page=1&pp=10

Just read the whole thread. But I will copy the biggest idiot statement.

"O.k. first of all lets start with the basics on this one. Kimber barrels are MIM (metal injection molded) GASP!!!, as are their frames, slides and all small parts (which do occasionally have to be replaced due to failure). How do I know this you ask...well a friend of mine owns one of the leading barrel making companies in the business and he bought a kimber, "Cause it just seemed so nice Joe", and upon inspection he found it was MIM. Can't fool a custom barrel maker folks.
Joe Chambers
Custom 1911 Pistolsmith
Member of American Pistolsmith's Guild"


I tried to refute this moron but the site management has deleted or edited my posts and warned me to stop questioning Joe Chambers statements.

And as anyone that knows me can tell you I have very little respect for Kimbers and am not a blind Kimber cheerleader...but this is incredible.

glock2740
02-06-2010, 02:43
Someone already beqat you to it. See previous threads. And yes, I agree with you, the guy's an idiot. Plus, the whole forum sucks in general.

HAIL CAESAR
02-06-2010, 04:00
Mods please delete this thread as I accidentally started two of the exact same. I was having computer problems due to a snow storm and satellite internet.

gconan
02-06-2010, 15:45
The guy made a huge mistake, but he has retracted the statement and apologized to Kimber and everyone at the board. Why beat him up about it any more?

SouthpawShootr
02-06-2010, 16:16
His credibility, at least on this issue, went out the window when he attributed it to "a friend of mine." If you can name him or produce some sort of real documentation on the slides, barrels, and frames bit, I don't believe it. Seems the site owner and at least one moderator posted that they thought it was utter nonsense. Apparently, the thread was closed after the OP acknowledged his statement was incorrect, but I didn't see that. Of course, I lose interest in reading something really quick when I hit ridiculous assertions. Especially by somebody who should know better.

As far as that forum goes, I've found it informative. A bit more informative and with a specific knowledge base that's been very useful to me. Of course, as with any forum, there are some weird posts here and there.

Ebb27
02-06-2010, 16:26
Welcome to the internet!



Typical of the sort of hogwash that gets tossed around and accepted by some as fact on the good ol' web.



Don't believe everything you hear.......


.........especially if you heard it on the internet.



:supergrin:

HAIL CAESAR
02-06-2010, 18:07
The guy made a huge mistake, but he has retracted the statement and apologized to Kimber and everyone at the board. Why beat him up about it any more?

He just retracted that ther barrels are MIM, he still stands by his claim that the frames and slides are MIM.

MastiffMan
02-07-2010, 10:33
Joe Chambers and Bob Marvel do build very good 1911's ... Test Targets 50 yards 10 shot groups from my Marvel Custom Classic..

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s1/cjstinks/0012-3.jpg?t=1265171855http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s1/cjstinks/mm0382.jpg?t=1265171918
http://glocktalk.com/forums/accurste%20pistols

MastiffMan
02-07-2010, 10:55
idiot ??? Joe might have been wrong in some of his post but kind of a strong statement not to say to someones face...

ilgunguygt
02-07-2010, 11:55
idiot ??? Joe might have been wrong in some of his post but kind of a strong statement not to say to someones face...
It doesnt matter what kind of work he does, he was dead wrong and wont admit it. He's a tool in my book. you can call about it too: 555-555-HAHA.

eta: I see you took your phone number down, why? I left mine there,

MastiffMan
02-07-2010, 12:05
It doesnt matter what kind of work he does, he was dead wrong and wont admit it. He's a tool in my book. you can call about it too: 555-555-HAHA.

eta: I see you took your phone number down, why? I left mine there,

615-517-5151
Running low on free mins this month... but Sundays are free ...

MastiffMan
02-07-2010, 12:50
I just saw the post on the other board and Joe should think before making statements like that... But name calling is not my way of doing things ... But Joe did put his foot in his Mouth....:supergrin:

ilgunguygt
02-07-2010, 13:15
615-517-5151
Running low on free mins this month... but Sundays are free ...
Gotta love free sundays:rofl: I use cingular now and get free weekends and nights. I still think the guy has some issues though. Can you explain why a master gunsmith would make the statements he did? If he were an alcoholc and was just drunk, I could understand that. Either way we will just go with "He was confused." ;)

MastiffMan
02-07-2010, 13:42
. Can you explain why a master gunsmith would make the statements he did?

No .... :supergrin:

MastiffMan
02-07-2010, 13:44
"he was confused." ;)

sure was !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SouthpawShootr
02-07-2010, 14:22
Well, I'll bet you won't see anymore of his buddy''s "facts" appearing in his posts. :supergrin:

zdragon23c
02-07-2010, 14:31
He just retracted that ther barrels are MIM, he still stands by his claim that the frames and slides are MIM.


smoking too much Thai sticks :supergrin:

Ebb27
02-07-2010, 14:36
smoking too much Thai sticks :supergrin:




Is that the stuff that's tied to a stick???




:supergrin:

MastiffMan
02-07-2010, 14:41
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Cheech_%26_Chong%27s_Next_Movie.jpg That might be a new Movie Joe Meets Thai sticks and talks about Kimbers ....:supergrin:

zdragon23c
02-07-2010, 14:42
Is that the stuff that's tied to a stick???




:supergrin:

http://www.sweetleaf.co.uk/images/more_pics/thai_stick7-500.jpg

MastiffMan
02-07-2010, 14:58
[quote=HAIL CAESAR;14693174]Just read yourself per this idiot.:rofl:

The more I read about this the more you are not that wrong in calling him an
idiot. :thumbsup:

HAIL CAESAR
02-07-2010, 14:59
idiot ??? Joe might have been wrong in some of his post but kind of a strong statement not to say to someones face...

I'd have no problem saying it to his face, other than the laughter. Anyone that proclaims he is such an expert and makes such audaciously wrong claims that are detrimental to a company is an idiot.

But my buddy says! Wait a minute my buddy didn't say, but he does still say about this!!.....:rofl:

HAIL CAESAR
02-07-2010, 15:03
BTW, he is now back pedaling on his statements of the 1911forum and in PM's.
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?p=2525403&posted=1#post2525403

MastiffMan
02-07-2010, 15:03
Anyone that proclaims he is such an expert and makes such audaciously wrong claims that are detrimental to a company is an idiot.



Well said and I agree !!!!

MastiffMan
02-07-2010, 15:10
If there was a pic in the dictionary next to the word idiot
http://images.publicradio.org/content/2008/06/03/20080603_obama9_33.jpg

HAIL CAESAR
02-07-2010, 15:20
If there was a pic in the dictionary next to the word idiot
http://images.publicradio.org/content/2008/06/03/20080603_obama9_33.jpg

Do we also have to disagree on this!!!! That is a pic from under the "Megalomaniac" definition and the definition under "Destroyer".

:rofl::rofl:
:wavey:

But hey, he's so cool. Who cares if he has no idea what he is doing and is trying to destroy our nation. He's cool and because he's black it makes up for slavery and all wrongdoings to minorities since the dawn of time.:whistling:

Jack Black
02-07-2010, 15:37
That guy's posts were arrogant at best, and moronic and libelous at worst. I wouldn't buy a gun from him if he could make me shoot the wings off a fly.

MastiffMan
02-07-2010, 15:38
He makes me sick and I truly have no use for him what ever name you put on him....
http://images.publicradio.org/content/2008/06/03/20080603_obama9_33.jpg

HAIL CAESAR
02-07-2010, 16:16
He makes me sick and I truly have no use for him what ever name you put on him....
http://images.publicradio.org/content/2008/06/03/20080603_obama9_33.jpg

I totally agree!:wavey:

El_Ron1
02-07-2010, 17:06
Lucky he didn't get Zumbo'd.

HAIL CAESAR
02-07-2010, 17:07
Now his claims are Kimber's barrels are not MIM and WC doesn't get frames and slides from South Korea. But he is stating that he contacted Kimber directly and the slides and frames are made of "castings" per a Kimber employee. But he is still saying, per his expert friend, that Kimber slides and frames are MIM.

El_Ron1
02-07-2010, 17:09
Has he used the "I even fly a flag at home!" defense yet?

HAIL CAESAR
02-07-2010, 17:11
Has he used the "I even fly a flag at home!" defense yet?

No but he might use "don't even have a garage, you can call home and ask my wife."

El_Ron1
02-07-2010, 17:13
One would think that he might have learned some things about posting yesterday.

HAIL CAESAR
02-07-2010, 17:22
One would think that he might have learned some things about posting yesterday.

Not a thing. He is still arguing with me in PM's and telling me I need to apologize to him for me slandering him.:upeyes:

SouthpawShootr
02-07-2010, 17:40
Not a thing. He is still arguing with me in PM's and telling me I need to apologize to him for me slandering him.:upeyes:

Be interesting to find out how he thinks you're slandering him since you are quoting him. Heck of it is he keeps fanning the flames.:upeyes:

You think he's bothered to look the word up?

El_Ron1
02-07-2010, 17:41
That dog won't hunt. He must be wacko or off his meds. I feel sorry for his employer and associates.

GVFlyer
02-07-2010, 18:10
HC, you conducted yourself perfectly in that internet dust-up. In one of his interweb alter egos Joe states that he works for Marvel Custom - the folks at Marvel Custom would probably be surprised to learn they have a new employee.

http://www.marvelcustomguns.com/about_us.htm

HAIL CAESAR
02-07-2010, 18:18
HC, you conducted yourself perfectly in that internet dust-up. In one of his interweb alter egos Joe states that he works for Marvel Custom - the folks at Marvel Custom would probably be surprised to learn they have a new employee.

http://www.marvelcustomguns.com/about_us.htm

Except for here where I called him an idiot and a moron...I kept it pretty level.:whistling::rofl:

I was just trying to get him tostop saying stupid stuff. And people are believing him because of all the "Custom Pistolsmith APG "credentials he post and mentioning fiends that are custom barrel makers. :upeyes:

I tried to get him to back off but he is standing bythat Kimber's slides and frames are MIM. That and I am slandering him.:upeyes:

El_Ron1
02-07-2010, 18:24
Asian slander or Made In USA slander?

TKM
02-07-2010, 19:08
He is quoted in a Defense Review article on Marvel pistols.

I wonder if Bob knows what he's up to when unsupervised?

Jason D
02-07-2010, 19:59
I would have thought this joker would have just dropped that forum name, and started a new account.

GVFlyer
02-07-2010, 20:07
He is quoted in a Defense Review article on Marvel pistols.

I wonder if Bob knows what he's up to when unsupervised?

Interesting. The Marvel Custom Guns website states that Al Marvel is the proprietor and that the shop is a "one-man shop with over 45 years experience in gunsmithing and pistolsmithing".

CMG
02-07-2010, 21:15
The President of the American Pistolsmith's Guild can be reached at:

yoda1911@hughes.net

Their "contact us" page:
http://www.americanpistol.com/contact_the_guild.php

Perhaps their selection process for membership should include a written test as well! :supergrin:

MastiffMan
02-07-2010, 22:01
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s1/cjstinks/20080603_obama9_33-1.jpg?t=1265601573

HAIL CAESAR
02-08-2010, 00:06
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s1/cjstinks/20080603_obama9_33-1.jpg?t=1265601573

You guys are hilarious!!!:rofl:

I wish I could do that stuff. Heck, I wish I could even think of that stuff.

MD357
02-08-2010, 01:51
Start to finish there's some good comedy goin on over there...

MIM Barrels, frames, slides...... seriously???

HAIL CAESAR
02-08-2010, 02:06
Start to finish there's some good comedy goin on over there...

MIM Barrels, frames, slides...... seriously???

:upeyes: What a mess. That and he still insists Kimbers have MIM slides, frames, and barrels in PM's. He only transgressed on the threads. But believes he is right still.

Quack
02-08-2010, 11:58
Interesting. The Marvel Custom Guns website states that Al Marvel is the proprietor and that the shop is a "one-man shop with over 45 years experience in gunsmithing and pistolsmithing".


different Marvel
http://bobmarvelcustomguns.com/

TKM
02-08-2010, 12:18
ealed-carry/


:dunno:

Highway Magic
02-13-2010, 15:38
Wow, talk about a self-high 5-ing windbag. :wow:

Mayhem like Me
02-15-2010, 08:46
The funny thing is I know the guy who is the barrel manufacturer that swears his Kimber in MIM'ed I did a follow up and told him that his slide was barstock and he still did not belive me.

faawrenchbndr
02-15-2010, 10:02
idiot ??? Joe might have been wrong in some of his post but
kind of a strong statement not to say to someones face...

An idiot, dolt, or dullard is a mentally deficient person, or someone who acts in a
self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way,.....Wikipedia

Seems like the shoe fit's Joe Chamber's foot to me!:whistling:

MastiffMan
02-15-2010, 10:59
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idiot ??? Joe might have been wrong in some of his post but
kind of a strong statement not to say to someones face...
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for saying the things he did...

HAIL CAESAR
02-15-2010, 13:48
The funny thing is I know the guy who is the barrel manufacturer that swears his Kimber in MIM'ed I did a follow up and told him that his slide was barstock and he still did not belive me.

I had a email from him too. Very strange.

Bluerock1
02-15-2010, 22:29
Joe Chambers and Bob Marvel do build very good 1911's ... Test Targets 50 yards 10 shot groups from my Marvel Custom Classic..

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s1/cjstinks/0012-3.jpg?t=1265171855http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s1/cjstinks/mm0382.jpg?t=1265171918
http://glocktalk.com/forums/accurste%20pistols
Doesn't look as good as a Baer w/ 1.5 option.
BR1