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SIERRA SIX
02-14-2010, 20:11
That anyone knows of?

Hackett
02-14-2010, 20:14
I think there are a few in Europe that do.

Check out wikipedia, I'm sure there are a couple.

texmex
02-14-2010, 20:24
Australian Royal Air Force, Austrian Armed Forces, Finland Defense Forces, French Army, French Navy, Georgia Special Forces, Latvian military, Lebanese Army, Lithuanian Armed Forces, Malaysian Armed Forces, Military of Montenegro, Military of the Netherlands, Royal Norwegian Army, Polish Military, Portuguese Marine Corps and Republican National Guard, Swedish Armed Forces

RedHaze
02-14-2010, 22:42
US Marine with glock in Iraq
http://members.cox.net/lewis0352/Saddam%20&%20Glock.jpg

Another of the Army
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c42/mrmedinaG21/GIGlock.jpg

Believe a glock is present in here as well (Navy Seals) RIP boys.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Navy_SEALs_in_Afghanistan_prior_to_Red_Wing.jpg

GVFlyer
02-14-2010, 23:51
Believe a glock is present in here as well (Navy Seals) RIP boys.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Navy_SEALs_in_Afghanistan_prior_to_Red_Wing.jpg

The men of Seal Team 10 were not armed with Glocks. In the above photo, all but Hospital Corpsman 2nd Class Luttrell (third from the right) were killed in the Hindu Kush on 28JUN05 while participating in Operation Redwing.

arclight610
02-15-2010, 00:06
Those are probably captured weapons. We ran into alot of G19's and G17's.

raven11
02-15-2010, 00:10
Those are probably captured weapons. We ran into alot of G19's and G17's.

correct, i know the USMC sometimes is underfunded but i doubt they are issuing glocks and PPSH

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/lone_ranger_the/e2af0ab2.jpg

Morgo
02-15-2010, 00:14
RAAF use G19's here.

arclight610
02-15-2010, 00:28
correct, i know the USMC sometimes is underfunded but i doubt they are issuing glocks and PPSH

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/lone_ranger_the/e2af0ab2.jpg

PPSH's are only for the officers. My first deployment I had a Mosin Nagant.

raven11
02-15-2010, 00:32
PPSH's are only for the officers. My first deployment I had a Mosin Nagant.

dude you got the rifle? i got off the plane and they only gave me two stripper clips of 7.62x54mm:dunno:

SteadyGlock
02-15-2010, 01:06
That anyone knows of?

Not sure if this is right or not, but I thought I read somewhere that both the Iraqi military and police forces have been issued Glocks as standard. Can anyone confirm?

robin303
02-15-2010, 01:17
I have no idea but look at the last sentence. http://www.glock.com/english/index_pistols.htm

Z1232K
02-15-2010, 01:37
If you read the glock 19 description at glock.com they claim that some USAF pilots are issued the G19 as a defensive sidearm.

Glock-it-to-me
02-15-2010, 01:38
I believe certain SPECOPS teams are allowed to carry damn near anything they feel is necessary to complete the mission.

Jack Worm
02-15-2010, 01:42
Swedish Armed Forces

Glock 19 for the Airforce and Glock 17 for the Swedish Armed Forces :)

/JW

youngvr4
02-15-2010, 01:43
not to hi_jack the thread, but i'm hearing the navy seals are using the sig 229? what ever happen to the mk23?

Jack Worm
02-15-2010, 01:54
not to hi_jack the thread, but i'm hearing the navy seals are using the sig 229? what ever happen to the mk23?

They put a stock on the MK23 and are now selling it as HK 416 :rofl: That MK23 is BIG, no way anyone can use it as a handgun ;)

Sorry :whistling:

/JW

youngvr4
02-15-2010, 01:56
i agree, i was just always told they used that gun, i'm wondering when that changed?

hogarth
02-15-2010, 05:10
OMG, these threads are funnyl

US NAVY SEALS use the Sig 226 almost exclusivly. I think they may now use the 239 for more covert work.

There have been the occasional photos that have turned up, like some of those above, that show Glocks in the hands of "regular" army and Marines, but these seem rare. In many instances, it may be that these particular soldiers were involved with training of the Iraqis, who use the Glock 19, I believe.

SFOD (Delta Force) is now, according to several sources, mostly using the Glock 22. Glocks have een popular with them since the early days of Afghanistan (if not before), where the Glock was more forgiving in sand than their custom 1911s (read Dalton Fury's "Kill Bin Laden", Pete Blaber's book "The Mission, The Men, and Me" (these first two guys were actual Delta operators), or Sean Naylor's "Not a Good Day to Die", all of which describe Delta guys wtih Glocks. It's also mentioned in the Osprey book on Special Forces in Iraq and possibly also the similar book on Afghanistan.

I've posted before pics of US Special Operations forces with Glocks here on this forum and was pronounced an a**hole, among other things, so I'll not bother again.

To further answer the OPs question, I think (am in no way positive) that the Glock is used by at least some units in the IDF.

Also, in the pic above of Navy Seals, there are no Glocks in that pic, but there is a pic that I have of a guy standing with two of the Seals in that above pic (James Suh and I think Matt Axelson, RIP) who has what looks like a Glock 19 stuffed down his "bib". Since the pic is taken in the same place as a bunch of similar photos of other seals from that unit, I assume he is also a Seal, though there is a possiblity that he could be some other SF or even a contractor.

vmann
02-15-2010, 09:03
no U.S forces are "issued" glocks, but some units may allow individuals to carry a weapon of their choice.....which in some cases is a glock

faawrenchbndr
02-15-2010, 09:24
no U.S forces are "issued" glocks, but some units may allow individuals to carry a weapon of their choice.....which in some cases is a glock

This is correct,.....many Gaurd and Reserve units Flyers carry individually
procured G19s

DocHoliday920
02-15-2010, 11:13
There is definitely a NSN for a 19...I've seen it...:)

Airborne Infantryman
02-15-2010, 11:44
Ok, I'm active duty Army; and here's what I've seen the past almost 4 years I've been in; while deployed, I saw EOD Techs with H&K USP 45s- when asked about it, they told me it was unit procured, and they carried them as sidearms.

I've seen U.S. Army CID with Glock 19s at the range qualifying; not civilians; actual green-suiter CID agents with Glock 19s.

When I was stationed at an AFB, I've seen the USAF Pilots with Glock 19s as well.

There IS an NSN for the Glock 19, but the NSN system goes for pretty much all Federal and DoD agencies AFAIK. Hell, there's an NSN for Crimson Trace Laser Grips for a Beretta M9. My supply clerk ordered some before we left to Iraq back in 07.

Units procure whatever their budget and command will allow. We bought a bunch of GemTech suppressors for our M4s while over in the box as well, because the baffling in the current ones was worn out. Guns are no exception to this AFAIK. Now, I wait for a 92Y to come tell me I'm a dumbass on GT. :whistling:

S. Kelly
02-15-2010, 11:48
Didn't the US Army ASW (Asymmetric Warfare Group) buy and issue Glock 19s for it's members?

gadgetguy1288
02-15-2010, 13:04
I dont know about the other services, but we dont in the USCG. Sig 229R DAK 40's. Or Beretta M9's for some of the MSST's and Deployed PSU's over in Bahrain and Iraq
Not allowed to carry anything else.

MDLibertarian
02-15-2010, 13:22
I recall reading an article (as well as seeing the picture) of US Army Rangers using supressed Model 19s as "hush puppies." They may be general issue for this purpose, but who knows.

patriotsarmory
02-15-2010, 13:33
92Y here. there is an NSN for it however because of funding you will never get one. hell there is even an NSN for rootbeer.

legion3
02-15-2010, 13:53
Glock 19 for the Airforce and Glock 17 for the Swedish Armed Forces :)

/JW

Did somebody say Swedish Armed Forces

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/sweden1.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/sweden4.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/sweden3.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/2e240h2.jpg

Paraiso1
02-15-2010, 13:55
no U.S forces are "issued" glocks, but some units may allow individuals to carry a weapon of their choice.....which in some cases is a glock

Some units may. Who knows though

legion3
02-15-2010, 13:56
Sweden and some not as cool (soldiers) Norway and others

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/25qdkt2.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/annet2_61641a.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/Take_17_91273a.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/midt_91208a.jpg

legion3
02-15-2010, 13:59
http://www.heer.at/sk/lask/kdo_milstrf_mp/galerie.php?id=1534


http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/dsc_3753_554x768_1208933982.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/IMG_1945_91207a.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/hv016_91935a.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/n5471681181983144770zq3.jpg

USArmy11X
02-15-2010, 14:03
When I was at MEPS, waiting to piss in a cup, I was reading a magazine on US Army Green Berets in Korea. They all had Glocks in their drop leg holsters. They were in the 3rd SFG. I'm sure SOF guys can carry what ever sidearm they want.

faawrenchbndr
02-15-2010, 14:21
There are some really cool pics posted in this thread,......please keep 'em coming!


Oh yeah,.....thanks! :wavey:

vmann
02-15-2010, 14:25
everyone in the military is going to have a story about seeing certain soldiers carrying a glock...but this is not the norm, and to the best of my knowledge, glocks are not issued....

nsn, doesnt mean the military is or can be issued the item...nsn is not just for military as previously stated....

mesteve2
02-15-2010, 14:26
Australian Royal Air Force, Austrian Armed Forces, Finland Defense Forces, French Army, French Navy, Georgia Special Forces, Latvian military, Lebanese Army, Lithuanian Armed Forces, Malaysian Armed Forces, Military of Montenegro, Military of the Netherlands, Royal Norwegian Army, Polish Military, Portuguese Marine Corps and Republican National Guard, Swedish Armed Forces

Israeli Defense Fource, most countries use the Glock 17 and 19's.

jaysouth
02-15-2010, 14:56
2d Battalion, 3d SF group is issued Glock 19s. Other units may issue other weapons. Whatever the issued weapon is, it is carried on the unit property book. This is what they carry, no member of the US army is allowed to carry a personally owned weapon, nor anyother weapon which is not recorded on a unit's record. They carry what they are issued, whether deployed in exotic places or picking up pinecones in NC.

If you were dumb enough to ignore a plethora of regulations prohibiting carrying of personal weapons and were dumb enough to take a PW to the sandbox, you would not want to try to bring it back. That's a federal felony.

RedsoxFan4Lyfe
02-15-2010, 15:09
For the guys that have served in the US forces, how DO they get their pistols? I know that we use the M9 widely, but they dont issue them to everyone either. I also have seen a lot of Glock and 1911 pistols in pics of our guys in Iraq. Im just curious if they bring their own when deployed or capture them and keep em, just in case.

Airborne Infantryman
02-15-2010, 15:17
For the guys that have served in the US forces, how DO they get their pistols? I know that we use the M9 widely, but they dont issue them to everyone either. I also have seen a lot of Glock and 1911 pistols in pics of our guys in Iraq. Im just curious if they bring their own when deployed or capture them and keep em, just in case.

They get them from the unit. The unit will procure them if the commander can be convinced its worth spending part of their money on.

As I said, its not uncommon to see units with weird stuff that no one else has; its all up to the unit. I've seen our Division Commander's PSD with H&K MP5Ks; saw it with my own two eyes while in Iraq. My team leader and I were like "WTF!? Do they seriously have MP5Ks?!?!?!".

Also, as mentioned above, its a big, big no-no to take any POW (Personally Owner Weapon) over there with you. Its also a big no-no to use any other weapon other than the one that's been issued to you by your armorer; unit procured weapons are OK in this instance, as their on the units property books, etc.

RedsoxFan4Lyfe
02-15-2010, 15:38
They get them from the unit. The unit will procure them if the commander can be convinced its worth spending part of their money on.

As I said, its not uncommon to see units with weird stuff that no one else has; its all up to the unit. I've seen our Division Commander's PSD with H&K MP5Ks; saw it with my own two eyes while in Iraq. My team leader and I were like "WTF!? Do they seriously have MP5Ks?!?!?!".

Also, as mentioned above, its a big, big no-no to take any POW (Personally Owner Weapon) over there with you. Its also a big no-no to use any other weapon other than the one that's been issued to you by your armorer; unit procured weapons are OK in this instance, as their on the units property books, etc.

Thank you for that information. I have heard before you would be crucified if should ever bring a personal weapon over there with you. I guess its true.

Thank you for your service to our country. You are appreciated.

keg3me
02-15-2010, 15:43
There are some really cool pics posted in this thread,......please keep 'em coming!


Oh yeah,.....thanks! :wavey:

X2...keep 'em coming.

Very interesting thread.

CBennett
02-15-2010, 15:48
There are some really cool pics posted in this thread,......please keep 'em coming!


Oh yeah,.....thanks! :wavey:

yup, loved them.

TangoFoxtrot
02-15-2010, 15:51
Glocks are not Army issue, at least before I retired in 2005. Altough I'm sure SF, Detach. Delta and Navy seals use them.

fragout
02-15-2010, 16:34
I got issued a p226 in the late 80's instead of a 1911 in the Army. I've seen PJ's carring Glocks and pilots carring Glocks too.

mad.gunsmith
02-15-2010, 17:52
:wow:

yerscattergun
02-15-2010, 20:42
According to the Glock Annual, the Czech special forces use the
G17(in OD). That's sounds like a real slap in the face for
the CZ cool aid drinkers. :supergrin:

SIERRA SIX
02-15-2010, 20:48
According to the Glock Annual, the Czech special forces use the
G17(in OD). That's sounds like a real slap in the face for
the CZ cool aid drinkers. :supergrin:

I dont know why, but that made me laugh... :rofl::rofl::rofl:

minkis18
02-15-2010, 20:50
I work with a ex-Army MP and she said they used a variety of 9mm guns, including G17s. I didn't inquire too much to figure out more though but it is curious.

Asmodeus6
02-15-2010, 21:05
Cool thread. Interesting to say the least. It would be great if you had some 'options' in what you carried. I have seen pictures and video of soldiers carrying captured weapons, such as underfolder AK's in vehicles. But my guess is that this requires specific permission.

spectre04
02-16-2010, 00:10
During deployment in South/Central America (18B, 7SFG) I carried a G17. While we could not bring "personal" weapons, we were encouraged to carry either Glock, HK, or Sig. Units in country supposedly experienced failures with the 92FS which sparked interest in polymer frames (less moody with varying temps..?). Being relegated to 9mm for unit cohesion and having ample trigger time with my personal glocks, my choice was easy. My units experience aside, I saw some very, very odd sidearms: Anything from gold plated Deagle's to 44 mag's in crossdraws. Some of the more "exotic" guys carried S&W 1911's.
All weapons are logged and both the operator (lol) and respective A/B team must qualify with the weapon to ensure combat effectiveness.
I never saw regular army without standard issued loadouts.
All has been posted above, hope this helps.

Btw, don't ever let someone tell you SEALs carried just the MK23 or SIG... For all the toys they had, I sure spotted a lot of glocks being cleaned after exfils.

hogarth
02-16-2010, 04:45
At the risk of being called an ***** again, here are a few pics I have.

1. First pic is of two confirmed Navy Seals, both KIA in operation Redwing in A-stan (James Suh on left of pic and, I believe, Matt Axelson on far right). The guy in the middle is unknown, but by his presence here can we assume he is a Seal too? Whatever, what we DO see is a mid-size Glock stuffed behind his blackhawk chest rig.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2678/4361619097_2eb901134c_o.jpg

2. SFC William B. Woods, 20th SFG, who was KIA in A-stan this past summer, RIP. Glock of some sort on chest.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4361619193_4967592be5_o.jpg

3. Unknown operator (others have said this guy might be some sort of Danish/Norwegian/whatever Special forces...I found it on a site where it was described as Delta, who knows?), Glock 17 or 22 on chest.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2778/4362361380_1afccd7e47_o.jpg

4. Unknown operator, USA, with what appears to be a Glock on right side. I have the high res pic so I can zoom in on it, and there are no grip screws visible (Beretta, etc.), there are finger grooves, and it lacks a hammer.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4361619139_fc04978bb0_b.jpg

I have one other pic of a US SF operator with a Glock on his chest, but the file is too big for flickr to let me upload it from my computer. It's been posted here before, shows a SF operator who appears to be training Iraqi defense forces, which is why he might have a Glock. Who knows? Hope you enjoy the pics.

keg3me
02-16-2010, 05:43
Nope, you're not an a**hole for posting the pic...quite the contrary, in my opinion. These guys made the ultimate sacrifice, and went, quite literally, through hell to do so, and did so voluntarily. Special Forces operators around the world, regardless of country or branch of service, are all national heros in my book.

Being able to put a face to a name, especially of someone who died fighting for our freedoms, humanizes what happened to them, much more than reading something in a random news article.

I did my stint for 15 years, focused on the War on Terror the last 5 years, and have all the respect in the world for those still in harms way. I never went through anything close to what these guys did, nor what our current troops are seeing in Iraq and A-stan.

I wish anybody still in the services fair winds and following seas!

:patriot::eagle:

Leathernecker
02-16-2010, 06:53
I dont know why, but that made me laugh... :rofl::rofl::rofl:

You didn't know that CZ even had Kool Aid, didja?
:tongueout:



I wish anybody still in the services fair winds and following seas!

Navy man I take it?

Pops 1
02-16-2010, 06:57
The Louisiana National Guard Military Police carry Glock 17.

noway
02-16-2010, 07:15
I bet the Glock is not standard issued, due to no second strike capabilities. Since the avg greenbean doesn't train as much with the handgun, it ( glock ) is not issues to the std service man/woman.

SEAL, DELTA, PILOTs, Air Rescure, RANGERs, CID, etc... are not standard service military personnel.


standard issues for the military member and what one should expect unless he/she are apart of the above units for example , is the beretta 92FS , black 9mm ;)


Just because you find a picture or 2 of spec warriors with glocks, don't mean it's issues as a general firearm for the US military.

hogarth
02-16-2010, 09:35
I bet the Glock is not standard issued, due to no second strike capabilities. Since the avg greenbean doesn't train as much with the handgun, it ( glock ) is not issues to the std service man/woman.

SEAL, DELTA, PILOTs, Air Rescure, RANGERs, CID, etc... are not standard service military personnel.


standard issues for the military member and what one should expect unless he/she are apart of the above units for example , is the beretta 92FS , black 9mm ;)


Just because you find a picture or 2 of spec warriors with glocks, don't mean it's issues as a general firearm for the US military.

True. But, the OP question was "do any military units use glocks?" He didn't ask "Are glocks standard issue for any non-special forces military units, and, if so, which ones?"

Spike32
02-16-2010, 10:24
I carried a G21 for a long time until the Army got anal about "non-issue" weapons. I just carried it concealed after that (sewed the holster into the INSIDE of my survival vest). 9mm ball ammo just passes on thru whatever you shoot at...at least the .45 rattles around a bit before quitting.

kered
08-30-2011, 20:57
I believe certain SPECOPS teams are allowed to carry damn near anything they feel is necessary to complete the mission.

I recently read Dalton Fury's "Kill Bin Laden" and Pete Blaber's "The Men, The Mission, And Me" (both EXCELLENT books, I HIGHLY recommend them!). Both are former Delta. I believe one of them (or both?) carried a Glock 21 as a sidearm? I think Fury? The only rule Delta has to follow is their handgun is chambered in .45 acp. Dalton Fury mentions in his book his guys could carry anything they wanted as long as it was in .45 acp. .. They had a similar freedom on their rifle of choice too. I know one of his guys carried an H&K G3, and treasured it ;).

In Blackhawk Down by Mark Bowden one of the Air Force Para-rescue guys carried a Glock 19 as his sidearm. It was mentioned this was his preference. Tim Wilkinson maybe? It was the para-rescue guy that made the crazy run under fire back and forth ....

Anyways thats info on this subject I can remember.

K_Rasmussen
08-30-2011, 21:58
For the guys that have served in the US forces, how DO they get their pistols? I know that we use the M9 widely, but they dont issue them to everyone either. I also have seen a lot of Glock and 1911 pistols in pics of our guys in Iraq. Im just curious if they bring their own when deployed or capture them and keep em, just in case.

I bought a Star PD 45 in the parking lot of my unit in 29 Twenty Nine Palms Ca. out of another Marines trunk in the early 80's so i would have a pistol is if I was deployed

TACLOAD
08-30-2011, 23:21
Saw alot of Glocks earlier this year on deployment. 17's and 19's Gen 3.

rick7938
08-31-2011, 04:33
My son carried a Glock G21 that I bought for him prior to his first deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan with 3rd SF Gp. He still has it an shoots it regularly.

Bren
08-31-2011, 05:12
Those are probably captured weapons. We ran into alot of G19's and G17's.

Either that, or some those guys are posing with guns owned by the Iraqis. We gave them Glock 19's. Afghans got S&W Sigmas.

The guy with the full-color 1st ID patch looks like he just wants to be different.

*Paladin*
08-31-2011, 07:33
I'm a small arms repairman in the Air Force, and teach all of the AF's small arms courses. I've NEVER seen a Glock in the USAF. I wish they were there, but in 19 years of active duty, I've never seen them. I'd believe in Bigfoot before I believe there are AF pilots carrying Glocks.

I have heard a story about an Air Guard unit before the 1st Gulf war that hadn't transitioned from .38's to the Beretta yet, so the unit purchased pistols "over the counter" for pilots prior to a Gulf deployment. That story is the closest thing to pilots in the AF having Glocks that I have ever heard.

The Viking
08-31-2011, 08:55
According the book " Kill Bin Laden" written by the commander of Delta Force in Afghanistan, Delta Force carried both 1911's and Glocks.

DEADEYEGUY
08-31-2011, 11:38
Around the world allot of SF forces carry Glocks. Just read an article about one of our Northern European allies selecting the Glock. Tradingiin SIG PRO's and something else for the Glocks. Our own SF guys seem to get allot of leeway in what they carry and I've seen a few pictures of them in country with Glocks.
Their was another gunrag that had an article about a bunch of Army SF's "finding" a bunch of Glock 19's that Iraqi soldoers and police had "lost". The did their own version of a grip reduction and carried them through their tour. Said they were more reliable, easier to carry, prefer one type of trigger pull (no more DA/SA?), and just an all around better gun than their M9's. I like Beretta's myself. But I do think A Glock 17/19/21 would be a better choice for most of our troops.
Would eliminate some of the Beretta's problems.
Problems listed in Army times included open top slide letting in sand, not long enough service life, trouble clearing the gun with the slide mounted safety and a few others. The Army would probably never go to Glocks though because they are adament about an external safety. But they are looking.

Made in Austria
08-31-2011, 11:42
Here is a list of Country's using Glock's. Scroll down to view the list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_pistol

SchlaffTablett
08-31-2011, 13:06
I'm a small arms repairman in the Air Force, and teach all of the AF's small arms courses. I've NEVER seen a Glock in the USAF. I wish they were there, but in 19 years of active duty, I've never seen them. I'd believe in Bigfoot before I believe there are AF pilots carrying Glocks.

I have heard a story about an Air Guard unit before the 1st Gulf war that hadn't transitioned from .38's to the Beretta yet, so the unit purchased pistols "over the counter" for pilots prior to a Gulf deployment. That story is the closest thing to pilots in the AF having Glocks that I have ever heard.

My cousin is a retired Lt. Col. who was a F4 WSO in Gulf war 1. He at one point told me that he carried a G17 when he come over here because they had not gotten the M9 yet. I can't recall where he was stationed during the war but I know he retired out of the Idaho Air Guard.

Also, the pics of ST10 that were posted were taken (or t least appear to have been) on the roof of one of the buildings on camp Cunningham at Bagram AB. This camp housed several US and coalition SF units at the time the photos were taken. Some of those were armed with Glocks.

misfit356tsw
08-31-2011, 13:10
The IRS Criminal Investigation Division carries Glocks. That is as paramilitary as it gets.:rofl::rofl:

MajorD
08-31-2011, 14:30
when in iraq some of the MITT teams (embedded trainers training the local police and military) carried glocks as this is what was issued to the forces they were training-they were porcured from the local units not thru the U.S. supply system per se.
In Afghanistan some of our guys that were training Afghan military were carrying 19c's- same story.
The military does not authorize individual soldiers to carry whatever they want-even special ops has some limitations- but it would not be unheard of for some unit especially special ops-to procure limited numbers of non standard weapons and carry/use them.
The EOD teams I saw and dealt with in Afghanistan did use some H&K's as well. Another situation is often small teams that are supposed to have limited numbers of civilian members will have non standard guns allocated to arm the civilian contractors- but if the troops/units find the item perferable, they frequently commandeer those items for GI's use.

A lot of people want to take the HUGE leap that seeing a few guys carrying a non standard handgun that this is a sign the Beretta is being phased out- nothing could be further from the truth

Made in Austria
08-31-2011, 14:43
I just copied this article from the Glock website. The USAF does use Glock's! I have spoken with an USAF pilot here in Las Vegas at the Nellis Airforce Base, he had a G19 in his flight suits.




GLOCK 19 The all-round talent
The GLOCK 19 is ideal for versatile use
through reduced dimensions compared with
the standard pistol size. With the proven caliber
of 9x19, it has found worldwide distribution in
security services. In addition to being used as a
conventional service weapon, it is suitable for concealed carry or as a backup weapon. For instance, many of the elite pilots
of the USAF for instance trust the GLOCK 19 for their efficient defense in emergency situations.

cowboy1964
08-31-2011, 15:36
The Swiss Army recently adopted the 17/26 as their new standard pistols.

up1911fan
08-31-2011, 16:27
The Marines are issueing G19's to MARSOC personel when they need a concealable gun. Just read it in Guns and Weapons for LE ( or one of those mags).

Apprentice
08-31-2011, 16:50
The only rule Delta has to follow is their handgun is chambered in .45 acp.

.40's too? ;)

Connectors are more interesting than caliber anyway. ;)

K_Rasmussen
08-31-2011, 16:56
The Swiss Army recently adopted the 17/26 as their new standard pistols.

Swiss and Swed are two different people. Sweden's army recently adopted the 17 and the Switzerland police use the Glock 19.

Here is the link provided by "made in Austria" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_pistol

Leathernecker
08-31-2011, 17:51
The Swiss Army recently adopted the 17/26 as their new standard pistols.

Who's painting them red, Victorinox or Wenger?

:cool:

tc215
08-31-2011, 17:54
when in iraq some of the MITT teams (embedded trainers training the local police and military) carried glocks as this is what was issued to the forces they were training-they were porcured from the local units not thru the U.S. supply system per se.
In Afghanistan some of our guys that were training Afghan military were carrying 19c's- same story.
The military does not authorize individual soldiers to carry whatever they want-even special ops has some limitations- but it would not be unheard of for some unit especially special ops-to procure limited numbers of non standard weapons and carry/use them.
The EOD teams I saw and dealt with in Afghanistan did use some H&K's as well. Another situation is often small teams that are supposed to have limited numbers of civilian members will have non standard guns allocated to arm the civilian contractors- but if the troops/units find the item perferable, they frequently commandeer those items for GI's use.

A lot of people want to take the HUGE leap that seeing a few guys carrying a non standard handgun that this is a sign the Beretta is being phased out- nothing could be further from the truth

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/08/army-pistols-with-a-shot-at-replacing-m9-82811w/

*Paladin*
08-31-2011, 19:07
I just copied this article from the Glock website. The USAF does use Glock's! I have spoken with an USAF pilot here in Las Vegas at the Nellis Airforce Base, he had a G19 in his flight suits.




GLOCK 19 The all-round talent
The GLOCK 19 is ideal for versatile use
through reduced dimensions compared with
the standard pistol size. With the proven caliber
of 9x19, it has found worldwide distribution in
security services. In addition to being used as a
conventional service weapon, it is suitable for concealed carry or as a backup weapon. For instance, many of the elite pilots
of the USAF for instance trust the GLOCK 19 for their efficient defense in emergency situations.

Not everyone is a gun guy. I have had people out of ignorance call any black pistol a Glock. I think your pilot is mistaken (ask him to take you with him sometime and SHOW you it). I'll even do one better: tell me his unit (Fighter Squadron) and I can get some buddies to pull up the squadrons weapon account on a database. THis will provide a listing of all weapons on their account. I can't share with ya'll how many weapons due to resource protection requirements, but it will tell me if they have Glock's on the account. If he IS carrying a Glock, it is almost CERTAINLY a privately owned weapon, which is a BIG no-no. I was stationed at Nellis AFB for 5 years, and there were no Glocks on the yard. However, I left Nellis at the end of '97, so if you'd like I can e-mail a couple buddies of mine at Nellis. They are also Combat Arms Specialists. Combat Arms inspects and repairs every AF weapon up to and including the M2 and Mk.19. If there are any Glocks there, they will be subject to semi-annual weapons inspections and pre-embarkation and post-deploy inspections and my two buddies would have inspected the pistols.

On a side note, I WISH I could say the Air Force has Glocks. But in 19 years as a cop and Combat Arms Specialist in the USAF, I have never seen one (and I inspect and repair pilot weapons, along with all of the other small-arms in the AF). Like I said in my post above, the only Glock story I have heard is the Air Guard purchasing a few Glocks as a substitute until the Beretta's were issued.

PS: Glock has advertised that since the early 90's. I think the Air Guard probably did buy a few, but they have long since been replaced with Beretta's. Could I be wrong? Maybe, but I'm in the career field in the Air Force that would know of the Glocks in the inventory, and I have no knowledge of their existence in our inventory...

Shasta McNasty
08-31-2011, 20:01
Do any military units use Glocks?


:wow:

Wake County Glockman
08-31-2011, 20:20
Canadian Royal Mounted Police (Mounties) and the Alaskan State Police both use the Glock 22.

bunk22
08-31-2011, 20:57
Navy pilot here and all I've ever known in the aviation community is the M9 and for some squadrons, the Sig P226. Those were usually group buys as I recall. With the heavy flight gear, I'd like to go light and a G19 would be what I personally would want.

TACLOAD
08-31-2011, 23:01
The Marines are issueing G19's to MARSOC personel when they need a concealable gun. Just read it in Guns and Weapons for LE ( or one of those mags).

I saw this first hand over in OEF.

TangoFoxtrot
09-01-2011, 03:20
That anyone knows of?

Navy Seals, Force Recon, Special Forces perhaps but not your average military units.

HK Dan
09-01-2011, 07:02
They put a stock on the MK23 and are now selling it as HK 416 :rofl: That MK23 is BIG, no way anyone can use it as a handgun ;)

Sorry :whistling:

/JW

LOLOLOL--Cute. But the Mark 23 isn't that big. It is 1/2" longer and about that taller than a Beretta M9, and it's lighter. It has grips identical in girth and size to the USP45. It is still in use by the teams.

MajorD
09-01-2011, 08:06
army times runs an article every other issue on replacing the m4, replacing the beretta etc. They a few years back declared that the hk XM rifle (developed with millions of DoD dollars out of our pockets) would soon be the next service rifle- we see where that went. Army times is nothing but a military version of the national enquirer!

K_Rasmussen
09-02-2011, 07:18
Originally Posted by cowboy1964
The Swiss Army recently adopted the 17/26 as their new standard pistols.

Swiss and Swed are two different people. Sweden's army recently adopted the 17 and the Switzerland police use the Glock 19.

Here is the link provided by "made in Austria" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_pistol

I was wrong the swiss are adopting the glock for their special forces

Just Me
09-02-2011, 22:22
On a side note, I WISH I could say the Air Force has Glocks. But in 19 years as a cop and Combat Arms Specialist in the USAF, I have never seen one (and I inspect and repair pilot weapons, along with all of the other small-arms in the AF). Like I said in my post above, the only Glock story I have heard is the Air Guard purchasing a few Glocks as a substitute until the Beretta's were issued.
...

Here is the latest contract for 940 G19 for the Air Force, it's an add on to a existing Army contract ( W52H0909D0272 ).

All Public info, not hard to fine! Good Price Too!

0014AA Glock 19, 9mm Standard 940 each $365.00 $343,100.00
Pistol w/Trijicon Sights

Here is the 9 page PDF "SOLICITATION/CONTRACT/ORDER FOR COMMERCIAL ITEMS"
http://contracting.tacom.army.mil/confls/awd/W52H0909D0272BR03/0000.pdf

FED BIZ OPS Listing.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=6a303bc6931379d3a518fe25d22bbee1

RichardB
09-04-2011, 04:22
Here is the latest contract for 940 G19 for the Air Force, it's an add on to a existing Army contract ( W52H0909D0272 ).

All Public info, not hard to fine! Good Price Too!

0014AA Glock 19, 9mm Standard 940 each $365.00 $343,100.00
Pistol w/Trijicon Sights

Here is the 9 page PDF "SOLICITATION/CONTRACT/ORDER FOR COMMERCIAL ITEMS"
http://contracting.tacom.army.mil/confls/awd/W52H0909D0272BR03/0000.pdf

FED BIZ OPS Listing.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=6a303bc6931379d3a518fe25d22bbee1


Can anyone in the USAF verify if these purchases are for use by USAF personnel and not foreign military or police?

Quiet
09-04-2011, 09:04
US SOCOM issues 9x19mm Glocks (17 & 19).

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2740/4446200043_10f8ddb2b2_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2740/4446974144_a76cc35de1_b.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/4pz390.jpg

statistic6
09-04-2011, 09:43
If you read the glock 19 description at glock.com they claim that some USAF pilots are issued the G19 as a defensive sidearm.
Not true, they get the M11 Sig

cciman
09-04-2011, 09:43
Simple Wiki search:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_pistol#Users Not 100% accurate but sufiicient.

WOW! 4+ pages of discussion, turning into debate.

The discussion also hinges on whether Glocks are "officially issued" in the US military. I think it is pretty conclusive that they are not "officially issued" in the US military.

Personal choices for black ops are a different matter-- I think we all know that already.

I have a question: Say you lose your weapon, or it gets destroyed or broken if you are in Afghanistan. How do you get a replacement, or repair? As an operator, I'd want to know what they have the most replacement parts for, that are handy. I'd want to carry that weapon. The last thing I'd want is to have to replace a trigger spring, or extractor, that is nowhere in country.

Like having a Vespa at Sturgis-- if you need a replacement part, you're SOL.

texas 48
09-04-2011, 12:58
Not sure if this is right or not, but I thought I read somewhere that both the Iraqi military and police forces have been issued Glocks as standard. Can anyone confirm?

confirmed. They are issued to the Iraq armed forces. Many if our own troops carried they in Iraq because they were more reliable and lighter than the Berretta's issued. My source is a number of vets including my son in law who was deployed 3 times. He thought the 92' s were POS.

Made in Austria
09-04-2011, 13:30
Not true, they get the M11 Sig

Why would Glock lie? Like I said, Air Force pilots carry Glock's on duty! I have seen it with my own eyes, when he pulled his G19 out of his flight suit right next to me and his fighter plane. Not sure how many carry one, or if they allowed to carry one, but this particular pilot was carrying a G19 on duty!

NIB
09-04-2011, 15:55
Why would Glock lie? Like I said, Air Force pilots carry Glock's on duty! I have seen it with my own eyes, when he pulled his G19 out of his flight suit right next to me and his fighter plane. Not sure how many carry one, or if they allowed to carry one, but this particular pilot was carrying a G19 on duty!

Because the Air Force does not issue Glocks! The Glock pistols that Glock Inc keeps referring to was a unit back during Gulf War I that had not received it's shipment of Berettas and would have to deploy with old worn out .38 spl revolvers. They went ahead and purchased Glocks locally and were given permission to take them overseas. And that was it!

Yes there are Glocks being used by US military, only a few units are using them officially and unofficially and the rest are procured through other means....like off of dead insurgents who were once Iraqi Army or Police that were supposed to be working with the US.

*Paladin*
09-04-2011, 16:08
Because the Air Force does not issue Glocks! The Glock pistols that Glock Inc keeps referring to was a unit back during Gulf War I that had not received it's shipment of Berettas and would have to deploy with old worn out .38 spl revolvers. They went ahead and purchased Glocks locally and were given permission to take them overseas. And that was it!

Yes there are Glocks being used by US military, only a few units are using them officially and unofficially and the rest are procured through other means....like off of dead insurgents who were once Iraqi Army or Police that were supposed to be working with the US.

Thanks. If Made in Austria will give me the pilot's unit, I can research that unit's weapon inventory and settle this once and for all.

As to the Glock order: It's already established the US SOCOM issues G19's in small numbers. The USAF has Special Tactics Units (called STS's, made up of TACP's, Combat Control, Para-Rescue, etc.) that work with US Army and sometimes Navy special operation forces. These are the few folks in the AF that have Glocks...

bunk22
09-04-2011, 16:33
Why would Glock lie? Like I said, Air Force pilots carry Glock's on duty! I have seen it with my own eyes, when he pulled his G19 out of his flight suit right next to me and his fighter plane. Not sure how many carry one, or if they allowed to carry one, but this particular pilot was carrying a G19 on duty!

It is certainly possible a squadron bought them for use....like Navy squadrons would buy the Sig 226 instead of using the M9. I'm not a Glock fan boy but for anyone who has worn the full flight gear, it's heavy and if I had a choice, it would be the G19 due to weight and ability to carry 15 round mags. Our squadron rarely used firearms and when we did, it was the standard M9.

clarkstoncz
09-04-2011, 23:23
Does anyone know if the German GSG-9 still uses Glock 17s?

One has to wonder if they upgraded to Gen 3s or would testing some Gen 4s?

shooter1234
07-12-2012, 23:46
Wow, a lot of misinformation here lol.

Simple Wiki search:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_pistol#Users Not 100% accurate but sufiicient.

WOW! 4+ pages of discussion, turning into debate.

The discussion also hinges on whether Glocks are "officially issued" in the US military. I think it is pretty conclusive that they are not "officially issued" in the US military.

Personal choices for black ops are a different matter-- I think we all know that already.

I have a question: Say you lose your weapon, or it gets destroyed or broken if you are in Afghanistan. How do you get a replacement, or repair? As an operator, I'd want to know what they have the most replacement parts for, that are handy. I'd want to carry that weapon. The last thing I'd want is to have to replace a trigger spring, or extractor, that is nowhere in country.

Like having a Vespa at Sturgis-- if you need a replacement part, you're SOL.

I have answer: How do you get a replacement? Uhhh... you bring your OWN, like EVERYONE did in my unit. If you're in a special unit, and still rely on your unit armorer for support, you're a moron. Most teams have their own armorer anyhow. And, say you did not bring your own spare parts, do you REALLY think a decent unit doesn't have it's own little individual supply line back to the states? Lol, come on man. Getting a replacement part is never an issue. Even if you carry the most standard pistol in the world, do you think you're going to get that part air dropped to you while outside the wire? No? Oh, so that means you'll have to wait till you get back to the fob to get one. So when you turn your ****ty ass M9 in to get repaired, do you think that lazy piece of crap armorer is going to fix it for you right then and there while you wait? No, you're going to sign out a replacement, until yours is fixed. So at that point, it doesn't really matter how long the replacement part takes. Trust me, if it's a decent combat arms unit, regardless of what guns you take, you're going to have spare parts there with you. If not, it's a crap unit.

(I can't see not bringing your own spare parts with you. The idea seems just absolutely ludicrous)

shooter1234
07-12-2012, 23:48
I'm a small arms repairman in the Air Force, and teach all of the AF's small arms courses. I've NEVER seen a Glock in the USAF. I wish they were there, but in 19 years of active duty, I've never seen them. I'd believe in Bigfoot before I believe there are AF pilots carrying Glocks.

I have heard a story about an Air Guard unit before the 1st Gulf war that hadn't transitioned from .38's to the Beretta yet, so the unit purchased pistols "over the counter" for pilots prior to a Gulf deployment. That story is the closest thing to pilots in the AF having Glocks that I have ever heard.

Oh. So since YOU'VE never seen them, they DEFINITELY don't exist in the ENTIRE Air Force inventory... Bro, there's SOOO many weapons in the Air Force inventory that you have no idea exist. Trust me on this.

shooter1234
07-12-2012, 23:50
2d Battalion, 3d SF group is issued Glock 19s. Other units may issue other weapons. Whatever the issued weapon is, it is carried on the unit property book. This is what they carry, no member of the US army is allowed to carry a personally owned weapon, nor anyother weapon which is not recorded on a unit's record. They carry what they are issued, whether deployed in exotic places or picking up pinecones in NC.

If you were dumb enough to ignore a plethora of regulations prohibiting carrying of personal weapons and were dumb enough to take a PW to the sandbox, you would not want to try to bring it back. That's a federal felony.

Really? Lol. Wow. You need to get out a little more. I ASSURE you this is not true. I'll bet every gun I own on this.

shooter1234
07-12-2012, 23:53
Originally Posted by vmann View Post
no U.S forces are "issued" glocks, but some units may allow individuals to carry a weapon of their choice.....which in some cases is a glock

Interesting that you seem so sure. I just got back from Afghanistan a couple of days ago, and I find this statement very hard to believe

What's hard to believe, that no U.S. forces are issued Glocks, or that some units allow guys to carry a weapon of their choice?

Quiet
07-13-2012, 04:07
US SOCOM issues a wide variety of handguns made by Beretta, Colt, Glock, H&K and SIG.

US SOCOM issues Glocks in two different calibers.
9x19mm Glock 17, 19 & 26 and .40S&W Glock 22.

The majority of the units within US SOCOM that uses Glocks come from the US Army.

Bren
07-13-2012, 04:47
Originally Posted by vmann View Post
no U.S forces are "issued" glocks, but some units may allow individuals to carry a weapon of their choice.....which in some cases is a glock



What's hard to believe, that no U.S. forces are issued Glocks, or that some units allow guys to carry a weapon of their choice?

Both. Your posts seem a little odd as well - did you serve in Iraq or Afghanistan? You seem to be answering in hypotheticals without claiming you actually saw US military carrying Glocks, but you seem awfully worked up about it for someone who hasn't seen it.

I've worked in Afghanistan with/around a wide variety of troops from the U.S. and numerous coalition countries and the only Glocks I saw were on contractors for the state department and maybe some federal LE agents.

DocWills
07-13-2012, 05:56
Glock is a NATO standard so could be seen but the context of a photo is often lost. Example; US Military trainers attached to units to train can be seen with a variety of foreign weapons. Contractors as stated.

Also we have the new rules over equipment purchase by Commanders Discreation, Battlefield acquisitions,and quite possibly a personal decision to break a rule.

Official issue carries a certain panache Glock would be on like white on Rice.

What can not be disputed is all the NATO approved pistols are in use on the Battlefront. Their mission is the question.
If its not in the TOE for units then its not official in my opinion.

I broke a number of US issue weapons in my time. Aside from operator adjustments or repairs from a field repair kit such as a lost retaining pin or the like I have never seen anyone carry a major repair kit on deployment. ALL issued weapons needing major repair go back to the rear. The complexity of the Beretta precluded field disassembly.

ANY unit making nonstandard mods to issue weapons is required to get command authorization to modify and may be required to restore to issue condition before turn in.

I have seen private weapons on the field and doubt that will ever stop but was personally written up for carrying a nonapproved knife during the first Gulf War.(General Chavez orders) Happily I was in a nonstandard unit and did not get a second glance at a mp5sd nor the PKM in the vehicle. I still prefer the knife for close quarters military stuff a pistol is a bit passe these days. Frag grenades work better.

HexHead
07-13-2012, 06:10
At the last IDPA shoot I was at there was one guy using a G17 and 19 that was very smooth and proficient. We got to talking and he told me he'd just gotten the G19, since he uses a 23 at work, he wanted a 9mm version too. So, I asked what he does and he said he was in the Army. That was believable, it's not unusual to see guys from Ft Campbell at the matches and he carried himself like someone with training. So I asked what he did in the Army that they use Glocks instead of the M9? He said he was Special Forces. Made sense since 5th Special Forces are stationed there. I just laughed and said "Yeah, I guess they let you guys use whatever you want?"

Bren
07-13-2012, 06:12
Glock is a NATO standard so could be seen but the context of a photo is often lost. Example; US Military trainers attached to units to train can be seen with a variety of foreign weapons. Contractors as stated.


I think I said that earlier in this thread. The guy pictured with the Glock at page 1 has a First Infantry patch on - when I deployed as an advisor, 1st Infantry was in charge of all the advisor teams (MiTT's in iraq, ETT's in Afghanistan). In Iraq, we issued Glocks to Iraqis, so he could very well be carrying one of theirs. I have pictures of me with an RPG, an AK and a SDV/Dragunov as well as H&K USP, G36 and MP-7, in Afghanistan - doesn't mean the Army issued it or said I could carry it. I have something non-regulation in just about every picture.

I have also seen U.S. soldiers (CID agents) carrying issued MP5K's with side folding stocks. They were cool. I don't know why.

DocWills
07-13-2012, 06:26
I think I said that earlier in this thread. .:supergrin: you frequently agree with me so i think your brilliant LOL. Yep you could put together a picture thread proving US issues all Soviet equipment.

Fire_Medic
07-13-2012, 07:58
First off I find it funny when people quote Wikipedia, because any one of us on the internet can put information or better yet misinformation on Wikipedia, and there would be people out there believing it's true, lol. :rofl:

Secondly, I really don't get why people get so wrapped up about Glocks being or not being used by US forces, who cares!

And third, to add to the other list of uses, there have also been instances overseas where military personnel has gone to big cities in plain clothes as a security force escorting political people and they have been carrying 9mm Glocks concealed.

It makes no difference, let these guys do whatever they want or need to complete the mission.

If the general public was truly aware of 50% of the stuff that goes on that never makes the media they would never sleep a wink, lol.

Carry on :wavey:

Quiet
07-13-2012, 10:06
US Army Special Operations Command's Capabilities Exercise. 04-24-2012

US Army Special Forces (1st SFOD-D) with .40S&W Glock 22.
http://i39.tinypic.com/er0gt2.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/fjncyx.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/capex201223vhuk8.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/wt6lq1.jpghttp://i49.tinypic.com/11ca15i.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/762minigun/040.jpg

Quiet
07-13-2012, 10:11
Fuerzas Comando 2012 competition. 06-07-12 thru 06-11-12

US Army Special Forces (7th SFG) with 9x19mm Glock 19.
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/United%20States%20Spec%20Ops/edae0a71.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/70lZC.jpg

Quiet
07-13-2012, 10:17
A'Stan, Zabul province. 03-11-12

US Army Special Forces (1st SFG) with 9x19mm Glock 19.
http://i40.tinypic.com/29fwc5z.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/xp31vs.jpg

PattonT
07-13-2012, 10:19
Believe a glock is present in here as well (Navy Seals) RIP boys.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Navy_SEALs_in_Afghanistan_prior_to_Red_Wing.jpg
2nd from right is Eric Patton, one of my distant cousins. I never got to meet him even though we were stationed in Hi together and in Afghanistan at the same time.

Quiet
07-13-2012, 10:24
FTX in New Mexico. 06-24-12.

US Army Special Forces (19th SFG) with 9mmFX Glock 17T.
http://i50.tinypic.com/2nitv0j.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2lxgvbp.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/20sbqsz.jpg

PattonT
07-13-2012, 10:29
OMG, these threads are funnyl

US NAVY SEALS use the Sig 226 almost exclusivly. I think they may now use the 239 for more covert work.

There have been the occasional photos that have turned up, like some of those above, that show Glocks in the hands of "regular" army and Marines, but these seem rare. In many instances, it may be that these particular soldiers were involved with training of the Iraqis, who use the Glock 19, I believe.

SFOD (Delta Force) is now, according to several sources, mostly using the Glock 22. Glocks have een popular with them since the early days of Afghanistan (if not before), where the Glock was more forgiving in sand than their custom 1911s (read Dalton Fury's "Kill Bin Laden", Pete Blaber's book "The Mission, The Men, and Me" (these first two guys were actual Delta operators), or Sean Naylor's "Not a Good Day to Die", all of which describe Delta guys wtih Glocks. It's also mentioned in the Osprey book on Special Forces in Iraq and possibly also the similar book on Afghanistan.

I've posted before pics of US Special Operations forces with Glocks here on this forum and was pronounced an a**hole, among other things, so I'll not bother again.

To further answer the OPs question, I think (am in no way positive) that the Glock is used by at least some units .
I just wanted to say that your info is about 100% correct. The only other odd handguns I know of is a few Sig 2022's that are in use mostly by tank commanders. I have heard one of the Ranger Bats were able to buy some XD's since they normally don't have handguns for everyone. I heard they bought them but never took them anywhere. Along about 04/05 the Army authorized units to buy shotguns and handguns with unit money but the process was a pita.

shooter1234
07-13-2012, 10:56
Both. Your posts seem a little odd as well - did you serve in Iraq or Afghanistan? You seem to be answering in hypotheticals without claiming you actually saw US military carrying Glocks, but you seem awfully worked up about it for someone who hasn't seen it.

I've worked in Afghanistan with/around a wide variety of troops from the U.S. and numerous coalition countries and the only Glocks I saw were on contractors for the state department and maybe some federal LE agents.

I never said that I didn't believe that certain servicemembers carried or were issued Glocks. What I'm saying is that there are soo many different types of weapons both on and off the property books, that noone can really say "no, they never issue those." that's what I'm saying. Me myself? No, I never seen a Glock in a servicemembers hands but I never said I didn't believe it. I TOTALLY believe there are tons of servicemembers carrying glocks.
I'm not defending the "glocks are not on our property books, so it's an impossibility." guys. I'm defending the other guys.
I actually took a unit supply specialist course when in the Army (i just retired) and there were all sorts of weapons that I knew to be in many arms rooms, that never came up on fedlog, or any other official supply list or to&e. I'm not worked up at all, kinda happy actually. It just kills me when someone asks a question like this, maybe, in unit supply class, and the old retired non combat arms pogue contractor instructor belts out "If it's not on the property books, it doesn't exist." and the little pogue supply sgt. student takes it as gospel, when the supply instructor has only ever served in non combat units, and never even left the supply cage at that... Bottom line? There is ALL SORTS of **** in the hands of these guys, and you'll NEVER know it. You won't know where they got them, you won't know if they're on their property books, and you won't know if they were actually issued, or acquired. The fact is, that they got them in their hands, and they're using 'em, and that's that. And if you ask them, do you think they're going to give you an honest answer? Nope. I've seen guys with M-14's, 229's, AI's in .338 Lapua, weird .50 cal sniper rifles that I've never seen before, 1911's that I've never seen before, etc etc. We can sit here and debate all day long. But they still use 'em. Every single day.

All I'm trying to say is, that just because you never seen it, doesn't mean it's not in use, or not in someone's arms room.

(and I am an oef/oif vet)

The Viking
07-13-2012, 13:13
Delta Force uses Glocks
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shooter1234
07-13-2012, 14:20
I kinda figured they did. I heard it in the armorer's course. The instructor said that they developed, at special request from delta, the rtf2 grip texture, and that odd 21sf with the full length rail and ambi mag catch. Is he 100% sure? I'll never fully know, but I DO know that the arms room behind the green fence is rediculous, I'll tell you that much.

PattonT
07-13-2012, 15:10
If there is Glocks in the Delta Force's arms room it's supposed to be Glock 22's.

JBP55
07-13-2012, 15:28
If there is Glocks in the Delta Force's arms room it's supposed to be Glock 22's.

Word is they were trying some G35's as well.

beaker45
07-13-2012, 15:32
I believe the G19 is issued to USAF pilots as well.

RAAF use G19's here.



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3/4Flap
07-13-2012, 15:47
Interesting discussion.

I remember during Gulf War 1 we were running a gun shop and sold quite a number of scopes, STANAG mounts and other optical equipment to various units, but guns of any sort were said to be No-No's.

Which is why an article in the paper jumped out at me. The piece {it was a news article, so take it with a pound of salt...} stated that the first Iraqi casualty {like I said, salt} was created by a STAR .45 in the hands of an American GI. Now the point here is that we all know many news articles are just made up, but whoever wrote this piece had some knowledge of guns and if it was a lie was a good one. Entertaining at least.

And then there is always the possibility that the gun was indeed a personally owned weapon or one picked up in theater. Who knows. Of no import other than the curiousity.

Apprentice
07-13-2012, 17:56
Thanks Quiet for all the great pics.

Hokiegrass
07-13-2012, 18:04
US Army Special Operations Command's Capabilities Exercise. 04-24-2012

US Army Special Forces (1st SFOD-D) with .40S&W Glock 22.
http://i39.tinypic.com/er0gt2.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/fjncyx.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/capex201223vhuk8.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/wt6lq1.jpghttp://i49.tinypic.com/11ca15i.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/762minigun/040.jpg


Great pics... Rarely do you see pics of the delta guys. My dad is a retired army pilot and one of his good friends is one of the OG Delta operators. We are talking late 70s-early 90s... He said he usually carried a tricked out 1911.

Apprentice
07-13-2012, 18:49
Hmmmm . . . . EOTechs. Not Aimpoint. ;)

frontier2011
07-13-2012, 19:52
Burger King Special Forces carries them.


http://cdn.glockforum.com/forum/attachments/f16/331d1326946750-favorite-glock-photos-glock_girl.jpg

bcj128
07-13-2012, 21:13
Burger King Special Forces carries them.


http://cdn.glockforum.com/forum/attachments/f16/331d1326946750-favorite-glock-photos-glock_girl.jpg

Thanks, that image is now seared into my brain..

Toby196
07-14-2012, 00:26
Hmmmm . . . . EOTechs. Not Aimpoint. ;)My thoughts exactly. I guess they haven't spent enough time reading the "expert" posts on GT, or else they'd know that EOTechs are garbage. Poor guys. ;)

BTW, great pics Quite. Thanks for posting them.

rkwrichard
07-14-2012, 06:12
The only question I have is "if none of our guys in the military are carrying Glocks is why not?"

My son is a Marine and just recently returned from deployment and keeps telling me how bad the M9 is and even when you clean it several times a day you can not trust the gun or the magazines to function properly.

According to him and others the moon dust as they called it renders the M9 very unreliable.

jeremy1
07-14-2012, 09:35
I know what I saw in Kabul late 2011. There were definately some US Special Forces teams with Glocks. I am pretty certain G19's. And it wasn't just one guy carrying a Glock. They were in groups of 4-20 and frequented the DFAC and other areas in the camp. And of course they didn't wear unit patches, rank etc, so I have no idea of their specific branch.

The 3 star that was in the camp carried a Sig 239 in an IWB holster FWIW. I saw it a couple times when he was wearing a hybrid OTW shirt.

Apprentice
07-14-2012, 09:59
I know what I saw in Kabul late 2011. There were definately some US Special Forces teams with Glocks. I am pretty certain G19's. And it wasn't just one guy carrying a Glock. They were in groups of 4-20 and frequented the DFAC and other areas in the camp. And of course they didn't wear unit patches, rank etc, so I have no idea of their specific branch.

The 3 star that was in the camp carried a Sig 239 in an IWB holster FWIW. I saw it a couple times when he was wearing a hybrid OTW shirt.

As "M4Guru" said in a similiar thread elsewhere on the Net - he rarely sees a "pipehitter" carrying a M9 anymore and for some time now.

Mr.1904
07-14-2012, 15:17
The Marines are issueing G19's to MARSOC personel when they need a concealable gun. Just read it in Guns and Weapons for LE ( or one of those mags).

Recently heard this from an instructor also.

SGT278ACR
07-14-2012, 15:29
Glocks would be an awesome change from the M9 for the mainstream military. I can only speak from my experiences in the Army and not for the other branches, but the general reason they do ot go with Glock is because they don't have external safeties. Someone high up in the food chain thinks not having external safeties would mean more negligent discharges.

Airborne Infantryman
07-14-2012, 17:05
Why does anyone care whether or not the U.S. Military carries/uses Glocks?

Here's something that'll blow ya'lls minds-

Iraq 2007 - I was at the Memorial Service for a USAF EOD Tech that got killed, who I was close to........one of the Army EOD officers was carrying an H&K USP 45.

When I asked where he got it - He said it was a unit procured weapon, and that they had quite a few H&K USP 45s in their arms room.

Take it for what its worth.....

Hell, when I was in RSTA, we had 14" Remington 870s instead of Mossberg 500s.........

Another mind-blowing fact - In Iraq, I did indeed fire my M9 at a living, breathing thing in fear. It did not jam, nor did it fail to do its job. Come to think of it........it never jammed on me during my 15 months there........

My M9 in Iraq....as issued, not a single thing done to it by me....

http://i47.tinypic.com/2bdsup.jpg

chemcmndr
07-14-2012, 17:54
I had a contractor working for me several years ago that had just recently gotten out of Delta. He told me that when they went into Afghanistan back in 2001, they were using Glock 21's.

normal.guy
07-15-2012, 05:46
i brought one with me down range on several occasions. i preferred it over the m9. the open slide would get filed with dirt, sand, rocks and anything else that would fit. i had no issues with my g21.

RichardB
07-15-2012, 12:54
Fuerzas Comando 2012 competition. 06-07-12 thru 06-11-12

US Army Special Forces (7th SFG) with 9x19mm Glock 19.
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/United%20States%20Spec%20Ops/edae0a71.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/70lZC.jpg

Quiet, Full Face photos?

USSOCOM
07-15-2012, 16:42
Regardless of what anyone has stated in this thread, the question you need to ask yourself when going in harms way as a team is; Can I share magazines and thus ammunition with the rest of the team? I certainly hope most of the operators out there would respond with a hell yes. By the time you are working as a team though, this would be sorted out and not become a problem in the field or on a mission.

Quiet
07-16-2012, 02:12
Quiet, Full Face photos?

Press photos from Colombia.

DocWills
07-16-2012, 08:46
Not everyone is a ninja. Weapons selection for special ops is done based on mission and command decisions.

For example a trainer will want the same stuff hes supposed to be training with but might be proscribed from particiating in missions. So no need to carry an AK if he likes uzis. However he might be issued a pistol if he did not have one.

If he moves to advisory status there are reasons to carry primary weapons the same but pistol use on the battlefield is such ammo interchangility is really not a factor unless its a case of the pistol being mission critical. Such as sentry removal or the like.

I dont really think pistol choices are an issue. NATO and to a lessor extent the US general consensus seems to be whatever is common caliber (9mm and 45). The Beretta is a solid gun just overly complex, so are a lot of guns.

series1811
07-16-2012, 09:02
My thoughts exactly. I guess they haven't spent enough time reading the "expert" posts on GT, or else they'd know that EOTechs are garbage. Poor guys. ;)

BTW, great pics Quite. Thanks for posting them.

:rofl::rofl:

Ain't that the truth? :supergrin:

shooter1234
07-16-2012, 22:34
I have to agree with the above posters; why aren't Glocks issued to everyone? Personally I don't believe they're THAT much better than the M9, but I would MUCH rather carry a 4th gen G17 than an M9 any day of the week on deployment.

Though, like Airborne said, I didn't have any problems with my M9 either. It worked perfect every single time. I never had a malfunction with any of my weapons. We cleaned them every time directly after a mission. Though, I did polish my frame rails, pick-up hump, feed ramp and hammer, along with installing factory beretta wood grips, and polishing inside and out my issue mag bodies, installing wolff mag springs, and beretta rubber slam pad floorplates.

USAFgoober
07-16-2012, 23:34
I have to agree with the above posters; why aren't Glocks issued to everyone?

Because nobody wants to be the guy who has to justify it during a congressional budget hearing. When it comes down to it, no war the U.S. fights will be won/lost with our standard issue sidearm. As long as the M9 remains an adequate pistol, no one will pony up the $$$ for us to replace them.

DocWills
07-17-2012, 04:57
Last time we did the pistol replacement thing we had 32 auto,380,45. 38 special guns still in inventory and requiring ammo. NATO treaties require ammo compatibility. Budgets require some sense.

The tests took years, end result required release of manufacturing rights just in case. Beretta and SIG were ok with that.

Also ARMY ORDANANCE , yes those fellows, are an old line pain in the ass. They wanted hammers on the pistols.Also long rails as I recall.

I believe Officers ought to carry private purchase handguns.

Military Police ought to carry the common Police gun for their area of the US.

Soldiers ought to carry Rifles.

Special units ought to carry what they need.

Quiet
08-10-2012, 16:31
US Army Special Forces (10th SFG) with 9x19mm Glock 19. 07-13-2012
http://i.imgur.com/NpOWO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bcz9n.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Nr35e.jpg

Quiet
08-10-2012, 16:33
US Navy SEAL with Mk 17 Mod 0 (FN SCAR-H) and Mk 24 Mod 0 (H&K HK-45CT) in A'Stan. 08-2012
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7249/7723375196_6b112fe2a1_o.jpg

Comedian
08-10-2012, 16:38
I believe certain SPECOPS teams are allowed to carry damn near anything they feel is necessary to complete the mission.

This. Delta uses Glocks and 1911's.

Deputy
08-10-2012, 19:02
Okay...this goes under the "you can believe it or not".

First off the Glock was NEVER considered as being eligible for use by the US Military because of it's lack of a manual safety. Missing that prevented if from even competing in the M9 trials.
And that's probably one of the better ideas of the military. The number of ADs by police using Glocks is quite amazing and police get a lot more training in handguns than the military does.

Second, while the SOCOM Mk23 may still be in Spec Ops inventories, it is rarely used. It has been replaced by the H&K USP Tactical. Essentially the same gun in a more compact size.

Third, and this is just a funny bit of info...when Blackwater was active in Iraq and Afghanistan, they mainly carried Glocks. But SIG and Kimber both made "Blackwater Editions" with all the Blackwater emblems on them.

Fourth, Navy SEALs DO have the SIG P229 in their inventories. I have seen arms room pictures of them complete with the Naval Special Warfare emblem in gold.

USAFgoober
08-11-2012, 07:21
Okay...this goes under the "you can believe it or not".

First off the Glock was NEVER considered as being eligible for use by the US Military because of it's lack of a manual safety. Missing that prevented if from even competing in the M9 trials.
And that's probably one of the better ideas of the military. The number of ADs by police using Glocks is quite amazing and police get a lot more training in handguns than the military does.

Second, while the SOCOM Mk23 may still be in Spec Ops inventories, it is rarely used. It has been replaced by the H&K USP Tactical. Essentially the same gun in a more compact size.

Third, and this is just a funny bit of info...when Blackwater was active in Iraq and Afghanistan, they mainly carried Glocks. But SIG and Kimber both made "Blackwater Editions" with all the Blackwater emblems on them.

Fourth, Navy SEALs DO have the SIG P229 in their inventories. I have seen arms room pictures of them complete with the Naval Special Warfare emblem in gold.

The Mk 23 wasn't replaced by the USP tactical. It was replaced by the HK45CT, which was designated the Mk 24.

Airborne Infantryman
08-11-2012, 07:50
This. Delta uses Glocks and 1911's.

1st SFOD-D is *supposedly* using Glock 22's with MRDS (Trijicon RMR) mounted on them.

That's where that concept came from, and that is who Safariland created this very unique ALS holster for-

http://sinistralrifleman.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/als-8.jpg


Its also why there are tan Glock 22 mags-

http://gripforceproducts.com/images/88956bd01d8750ff933420475f6dedfa.jpg

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr69/eiriksean/0d9857f9.jpg

Deputy
08-11-2012, 08:24
The Mk 23 wasn't replaced by the USP tactical. It was replaced by the HK45CT, which was designated the Mk 24.

You are out of sequence. The H&K Tactical was USED in place of the MK23 as an interim solution. It was OFFICIALLY replaced by the H&K45CT. :supergrin:

Socks tear
08-11-2012, 10:09
The men of Seal Team 10 were not armed with Glocks. In the above photo, all but Hospital Corpsman 2nd Class Luttrell (third from the right) were killed in the Hindu Kush on 28JUN05 while participating in Operation Redwing. no time to lace the boots?

K00R
08-11-2012, 10:16
The MK 24 is not a HK. The MK 24 Mod 0 is a Sig Sauer 226. Sig's civilian reproduction model was named MK 25 for some reason or another.

Deputy
08-11-2012, 11:24
The MK 24 is not a HK. The MK 24 Mod 0 is a Sig Sauer 226. Sig's civilian reproduction model was named MK 25 for some reason or another.

So what was the H&K45CT numbered?

MajorD
08-11-2012, 13:46
when we were in Iraq U.S. mil teams (not SF)training local police carried glocks provided to them by the Iraqis- it was considered good form to carry and train with the same pistol as the foreign troops you were working with. I saw the same thing in Afghanistan. Also in Afghanistan saw SF guys (we had some living at our base) carrying glocks. NO widespread issue of glocks in the U.S. armed forces. A large number of foreign forces are issued glocks. There was something mentioned that some elements in MARSOC had glocks available for certian missions as a concealed carry gun.
There was a story dating to the early 90's that certain USAF units were allowed to carry personally or unit procured glocks due to shortages of standard issue pistols at the time, but I seriously doubt that is the case any longer.
Except as noted above everyone carries a beretta

tango44
08-11-2012, 14:24
Tagged.

K00R
08-11-2012, 15:00
So what was the H&K45CT numbered?

Reference strictly as MK 24 refers to the sig sauer 226. The HK45CT is MK 24 MOD 0 Combat Assualt Pistol.

Designation is 't massively different but depending on how accurate Internet sources are... It's only fielded by SEAL Team 6. Which I can see as team 6 is part of DEVGRU so they get to play with all the fun ****. Also adding each SEAL team is different and selects different arms. It MAY be credible.

K00R
08-11-2012, 15:34
And to answer the OP's question (I think I may have scrolled by it so excuse me of its a repeat.)
Part of the US militaries requirements in a handgun is

1. A Hammer
2. An external thumb actuated Safety.

Both of these immediately disqualify Glock from even contending. In the past they have been invited to present a sample firearm for US testing but have declined as it would require re-fitting and redesign of its machines to build a handgun at US military specifications. If the glock is fielded at all in the US military it's within small units requiring special armaments for a mission. Which the only US Armament of glocks I've heard of is he full auto 9mm version, which I don't know the glock number of.

USAFgoober
08-11-2012, 16:37
The MK 24 is not a HK. The MK 24 Mod 0 is a Sig Sauer 226. Sig's civilian reproduction model was named MK 25 for some reason or another.

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/tactical-weapons/hk45c-us-navy-seal/

K00R
08-11-2012, 19:31
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/tactical-weapons/hk45c-us-navy-seal/

That Article also hints at something else I previously stated. The HK45CT was selected by a certain SEAL team that uses other HK's.... AKA SEAL team 6, their primary rifle is currently the HK416. Although it does say other SPEC WAR personnel may have them too, and other the that never cites a specific SEAL team.

Directly from that article...
In early 2011, the HK45 Compact was selected by the Navy as a replacement for the MK 23 pistol for use by Navy SEALs and other Naval Special Warfare personnel. Its new designation is the MK 24 MOD 0 COMBAT ASSAULT PISTOL. (My direct additive to this article quote... This means the Sig Sauer 226 is still the Mk 24 Mod 0, while the HK45CT is the Mk 24 Mod 0 Combat Assault Pistol) It is outfitted with an AAC suppressor. Crimson Trace was awarded the contract for a waterproof IR laser system that mounts under the frame on the rail. The Crimson Trace unit is very thin and follows the contours of the pistol well.

supermanct
08-11-2012, 22:01
What is the FDE holster the US Army Special Forces are using in the pics.......

youngdocglock
08-11-2012, 22:08
As i've seen, Special Purpose Units use whatever the heck they please. I've seen guys carrying glocks, 1911's , Wheel guns, AK-s, HK's, Even knew of one Seal that Carried a S&W 5906 :-)

K00R
08-11-2012, 22:13
As i've seen, Special Purpose Units use whatever the heck they please. I've seen guys carrying glocks, 1911's , Wheel guns, AK-s, HK's, Even knew of one Seal that Carried a S&W 5906 :-)

I forget what model it is, but they used to and still might carry a modified smith and wesson nicknamed the "hushpuppy" that fired tranquilliser darts instead of 9mm.

youngdocglock
08-11-2012, 22:18
I forget what model it is, but they used to and still might carry a modified smith and wesson nicknamed the "hushpuppy" that fired tranquilliser darts instead of 9mm.

You are correct it was the model 39.

I've even seen a few FR guys with pythons :-)

K00R
08-11-2012, 22:30
When I was still on active duty occasionally (in assganastan) I'd see some "fast movers" blow through a FOB real quick, talk to someone you need a Top Secret Security Clearance to look at. And shuffle right the hell off afterwards and you'd never see them again. They always had some "off color" stuff. I could have sworn one of the guys had a .22 revolver on his 5 o clock. Could have been a .38 though too.

kashdaddy
08-12-2012, 05:17
Holland uses the G17 for sure.

RichardB
09-19-2012, 09:58
Update From The Shooting Wire: "Beretta USA has been awarded a contract by the US Army for up to 100,000 M9, 9mm caliber, pistols. An initial order for over 4,600 pistols has already been released to the company. "

http://www.shootingwire.com/story/269437

JBUS
09-19-2012, 11:57
I believe certain SPECOPS teams are allowed to carry damn near anything they feel is necessary to complete the mission.

I've seen legit pics of the D carrying Glocks

Toby196
09-19-2012, 13:48
Update From The Shooting Wire: "Beretta USA has been awarded a contract by the US Army for up to 100,000 M9, 9mm caliber, pistols. An initial order for over 4,600 pistols has already been released to the company. "

http://www.shootingwire.com/story/269437Thanks for the link, Richard. Along the same lines, I see the Marines have chosen Colt to supply their new MEU(SOC) 1911's (http://www.colt.com/ColtMilitary/News/tabid/84/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/54/Colt-Defense-LLC-Announces-Award-of-Marine-Corps-M45-Close-Quarter-Battle-Pistol-CQBP-Contract.aspx). While I personally would have chosen a more modern design, such as the Glock 21 or HK-45, I can't say I blame them for continuing with a design that they are familiar with (and has proven itself over the last century).

KingWalleye
09-19-2012, 15:35
This is correct,.....many Gaurd and Reserve units Flyers carry individually
procured G19s

Two years ago I took an NRA pistol course and one of our instructors was an Army Ranger who carried a Glock 19 in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

That young man could really shoot!

G36's Rule
09-19-2012, 17:34
US Army Special Operations Command's Capabilities Exercise. 04-24-2012

US Army Special Forces (1st SFOD-D) with .40S&W Glock 22.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/762minigun/040.jpg

Where can I score some brown mags?

rickyc2
10-16-2012, 16:49
The U.S. Air Force pilots prefeer to carry the Glock 19. I read somwhere that they have purchased them on their own???

ozy
10-17-2012, 06:57
israel's YAMAM uses the the G19.

Slobo
10-17-2012, 14:36
israel's YAMAM uses the the G19.

YAMAM = Israeli special police right?

GMACM
10-17-2012, 15:07
Ther e is an artical in a recent magazine (GUNS & AMMO COMPLETE BOOK OF THE 1911) in which former Delta Operator Larry Vickers is quoted as saying that Delta moved from 1911's to Glocks.

11BTaz
03-26-2013, 20:27
US Army Special Operations Command's Capabilities Exercise. 04-24-2012

US Army Special Forces (1st SFOD-D) with .40S&W Glock 22.
http://i39.tinypic.com/er0gt2.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/fjncyx.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/capex201223vhuk8.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/wt6lq1.jpghttp://i49.tinypic.com/11ca15i.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/762minigun/040.jpg

Those "guys" are NOT "Delta", they're SFARTAETC instructors, it's a course at Bragg that teaches Green Berets various skills. Long story short Green Berets need to complete this course in order to get assigned to their Group's designated CIF (look it up, don't feel like explaining it).

There are plenty of other reputable websites that will say the same (that these cats ain't "Delta"), you REALLY need to fact check things before posting, just a polite suggestion. With CIF more often than not you'll see Glock 19's in their holsters, hence why the SFARTAETC instructors here are using Glocks (train them on what they're going to use). Last bit, "Delta" are NOT the only users of .40 caliber Glocks in the military....

Have a good one.....

IV Troop
07-31-2013, 09:12
Where can I score some brown mags?

Give these guys a call:

http://www.goarmy.com/locate-a-recruiter.html

Cheers! ;)

WayneJessie
07-31-2013, 11:38
According to the Glock Annual, the Czech special forces use the
G17(in OD). That's sounds like a real slap in the face for
the CZ cool aid drinkers. :supergrin:

Wouldn't that be cool if it were actually true...:rofl:

11BTaz
08-09-2013, 08:03
Wouldn't that be cool if it were actually true...:rofl:

It is, their 601st Special Forces Group uses them (Glock 17's and M4's) and the Recon element for one of their Airborne units....

69HDChop
08-09-2013, 16:35
I spent quite a bit of time up at the Army airfield in Mosul, Iraq. (2004-2008)
98% of handguns I saw were M9's. Most contractor's, State Dept., and others civ's had Glock 19's or SIG 226's.
Some Soldiers with no nametags had 1911's with 10 round mags. Early on, Glock 19's were issued to the Iraqi Police and many were captured and carried by US Enlisted Soldiers. That changed in about 2005.

Patrolman175
11-24-2013, 00:39
Tagged

noonanda
11-30-2013, 00:08
I was an Marine Advisor to the Iraqi Army Jan-Jun 2006 (1st Bn, 3rd Bgde, 1st IA Div out of Cop OK Corral just west of Habbaniyah) . Some of the Iraqi's officers had Sigs and some had Glocks, all 9mm. We Advisors carried the M9, we were not given an option as that is what was issued to each of us before we got in country. I stopped carrying my Beretta on patrol on my birthday when I had to shoot a dog that was trying to bite one of my Iraqi's. Hit the dog twice in the side and it still ran off. After that I dropped dogs with my M-4.

For the last 3 years (up until I retired in July) I was the Training Chief at the Advisor Training Group up here in 29 palms where we trained Afghan bound Advisor teams(both Police and Army as well as border police). We barley covered pistols as part of our foreign weapons package, pretty much instructed them to not be surprised by any pistols they see. I went over to Kabul for 3 weeks back in late 2010 at one of the academies the Army was running over by the Queens palace, Saw a few Afghan officers with Glocks (dont know what model). I heard the Police were getting the Sigma, I think the Army is/was going the M-9, it would make sense as we also gave em M-16s and M-240s as well

SCmasterblaster
11-30-2013, 06:53
I wonder how many of these Military units carry their Glocks with the chamber empty?

Made in Austria
11-30-2013, 10:16
I wonder how many of these Military units carry their Glocks with the chamber empty?

The Austrian army is running around with empty Glock and Steyr AUG chambers. They call it "half loaded", which means loaded magazine in the gun, but chamber empty. It has to stay empty until you get the order to charge your gun. Back then, the Austrian police also carried their G17 with a empty chamber. But I heard that they now can decide for themselves in what condition their can carry their duty weapon.

Europeans, even though they build excellent guns are way more scared of guns than Americans. I remember in school (in Austria) when our teacher asked us kids if our parents have guns at home, and if they are locked away. She then told us that guns are evil, and that they kill thousands of people each day worldwide. This kind of view about guns is normal over there. The actual killer/gun abuser is in the media and by the population rarely seen as the evil.

Bren
11-30-2013, 20:15
I went over to Kabul for 3 weeks back in late 2010 at one of the academies the Army was running over by the Queens palace, Saw a few Afghan officers with Glocks (dont know what model). I heard the Police were getting the Sigma, I think the Army is/was going the M-9, it would make sense as we also gave em M-16s and M-240s as well

You sure they weren't Sigmas? I was also an advisor at Darulaman (by the Queen's Palace) and KMTC in 2009/2010 and the Afghans were pretty uniform about carrying the Sigmas. Unlike Iraq, they don't seem to have that many unusual pistols floating around here, but I was dealing with enlisted training, so yoou miight have been seeing officers I have never seen.

martin-curtis
12-01-2013, 01:38
Check out: militaryphotos.net
You can have fun playing "Spot-A-Glock." :rofl:
It's kinda fun when you're bored.

Boot Stomper
12-01-2013, 05:29
Those are probably captured weapons. We ran into alot of G19's and G17's.

If you could only ship them home some how. :whistling:

Boot Stomper
12-01-2013, 05:41
I carried a G21 for a long time until the Army got anal about "non-issue" weapons. I just carried it concealed after that (sewed the holster into the INSIDE of my survival vest). 9mm ball ammo just passes on thru whatever you shoot at...at least the .45 rattles around a bit before quitting.

It is sad that any soldier would have to hide a gun from his chain of command. A gun he may need to defend his life.

azbuckeye
12-01-2013, 06:22
The only question I have is "if none of our guys in the military are carrying Glocks is why not?"

My son is a Marine and just recently returned from deployment and keeps telling me how bad the M9 is and even when you clean it several times a day you can not trust the gun or the magazines to function properly.

According to him and others the moon dust as they called it renders the M9 very unreliable.

Thank you! It took me awhile to get to your question but you echoed my thoughts exactly! Why aren't our forces using Glocks?

Bren
12-01-2013, 06:37
Thank you! It took me awhile to get to your question but you echoed my thoughts exactly! Why aren't our forces using Glocks?

Our military loves manual safeties and pistols aren't important enough for anybody to care. We went to 9mm to standardize with NATO. Otherwise, there is no real reason for us to change pistols. Back when we adopted the 1911, individual pistols were a much more significant weapon, considering the miliitaries of the world were using bolt-action rifles. Now, not so much.

Toby196
12-01-2013, 08:01
Our military loves manual safeties and pistols aren't important enough for anybody to care. We went to 9mm to standardize with NATO. Otherwise, there is no real reason for us to change pistols. Back when we adopted the 1911, individual pistols were a much more significant weapon, considering the miliitaries of the world were using bolt-action rifles. Now, not so much.I agree with your assessment of why they stick with the M9, but it is unfortunate for those unlucky soldiers who are only issued a M9 (no rifle). In my engineer unit there were several in that predicament when we were in Iraq (our medic, as well as the AVLB and ACE drivers, for example).

Of course, the better solution to that problem would be to issue them all an M4 instead of only giving them a pistol.
My son is a Marine and just recently returned from deployment and keeps telling me how bad the M9 is and even when you clean it several times a day you can not trust the gun or the magazines to function properly.

According to him and others the moon dust as they called it renders the M9 very unreliable.
As far as the unreliability of the M9, in my brief and very limited experience with them, it seemed that they were fairly reliable IF they had decent magazines (not the ones that seem to be 20+ years old). I'm sure the Marines had an even worse experience with them than the Army though, since it seems like Marines are always getting short-changed when it comes to budgeting for small arms.

It sounds like your son had to deal with the same sort of "Moon Dust" we were blessed with in Iraq. It had an almost baby-powder texture to it, and if you drive off-road at all, your weapon and the rest of your gear would be coated with it. It really sucks and I'm glad I never have to see that hot, filthy, miserable hell-hole again.

Indy_Tim
12-04-2013, 09:54
Special Forces are training with both the M9 and Glock 19. Soldiers are given their choice of those two when entering one of the training programs and by the time it's done, the pistols have well north of 10k rounds through them. Some days see over a thousand rounds fired through the pistols. I don't know if they carry the Glocks in the field, but am guessing that if they train with them, they might carry them when deployed.

glocktecher
12-04-2013, 19:06
Cripes a Mighty :faint:

nraman
12-04-2013, 19:40
My son is a Marine and just recently returned from deployment and keeps telling me how bad the M9 is and even when you clean it several times a day you can not trust the gun or the magazines to function properly.


My understanding is that the Pentagon changed the specs of the magazine finish to an FDE parkerized looking finish and contracted the new magazines to a magazine company named Checkmate. The fine powder like sand made these magazines useless and complaints started right away. The Army got some of the magazines tested in the US and found no problem. When they decided to test them with sand brought from Iraq, they realized that the finish+powder made for a very bad combination. They changed supplier back to Beretta and then changed the specifications. My understanding is that Checkmate just followed the specs and it was not their fault. I think they still make magazines under the new specification and they are fine.
Naturally the reputation of the gun took a big hit.

Pugster
12-04-2013, 22:16
I have a relative who just returned from a 2 year tour in Afganistan. He told me they have a carry weapon of their choice. He and most of the others in his group chose to carry a Glock 19 gen 3. His weapon of choice wherever he goes.

paratrooper
12-07-2013, 23:02
I'll just leave this here........

http://imageshack.com/a/img828/5695/imgp2487eb1.jpg

Bren
12-07-2013, 23:26
I have a relative who just returned from a 2 year tour in Afganistan. He told me they have a carry weapon of their choice. He and most of the others in his group chose to carry a Glock 19 gen 3. His weapon of choice wherever he goes.

We don't have 2 year tours and choice of weapons in any branch the military. I'm sure some special forces units have more choices of weapons than the rest of us, but they also do shorter tours. Normal tour length is 9 months or less and, before this year, it was 12 months or less.

Was he a civilan contractor, or what?

Bren
12-07-2013, 23:28
I'll just leave this here........

http://imageshack.com/a/img828/5695/imgp2487eb1.jpg

Airsoft?

paratrooper
12-08-2013, 02:06
Airsoft?

Nope, this was from an open house display Rangers had at Ft Benning. In other words they're all real, including the Glock 19 above the Beretta.

SCmasterblaster
12-08-2013, 04:49
Glocks are frowned upon by the US Military - there is no manual safety.

dvparrish
12-08-2013, 12:16
When I was in AF last year I saw most of the SOF guys carrying 19s issued by the arms room just like they issued M9s to contractors and others. It's not an uncommon issue gun though probably not for the conventional forces. I even saw one Glock 26 with a glock 17 mag in it once carried by a SOF trainer

seb5
12-10-2013, 20:16
I'm in Afghanistan now and have seen the Danes carrying Glock 17's quite a bit, along with a lot of Sig 210's. I've also noticed several British RAF types carrying Glocks. Of course you also see most of the contractors with Glocks, usually 19's and you see many US military personnel without unit ID's carrying Glocks. I'll have to see what the other nationalities are carrying next time I'm in the chow hall!

SCmasterblaster
12-10-2013, 20:29
The Austrian army is running around with empty Glock and Steyr AUG chambers. They call it "half loaded", which means loaded magazine in the gun, but chamber empty. It has to stay empty until you get the order to charge your gun. Back then, the Austrian police also carried their G17 with a empty chamber. But I heard that they now can decide for themselves in what condition their can carry their duty weapon.

Europeans, even though they build excellent guns are way more scared of guns than Americans. I remember in school (in Austria) when our teacher asked us kids if our parents have guns at home, and if they are locked away. She then told us that guns are evil, and that they kill thousands of people each day worldwide. This kind of view about guns is normal over there. The actual killer/gun abuser is in the media and by the population rarely seen as the evil.

Thanks for the reply, brother. :cool:

Bren
12-13-2013, 07:03
I thought about this thread today. Yesterday I was in the dining facility and saw a guy in multicam uniform with a US iR flag on his right sleeve (so apparently Army or Air Force) with a Glock 17 (at least, I assume 9mm) on his belt. I only saw him from the back, so I'm not 100% sure - might have been a civilian, but the contractors rarely wear multicam.

Then today, I walked in the latrine in my barracks and a guy was standing in there with what appeared to be a J Frame revolver with pachmayer grips in an IWB leather holster in the back of his pants. He just had his T-shirt on, but either Army or Air Force - no civilians in this building.

So aside from all we've said here, you see some strange stuff.

Jaykwish
12-13-2013, 07:13
I believe certain SPECOPS teams are allowed to carry damn near anything they feel is necessary to complete the mission.

And who is gonna tell them no haha

Jaykwish
12-13-2013, 07:24
For the guys that have served in the US forces, how DO they get their pistols? I know that we use the M9 widely, but they dont issue them to everyone either. I also have seen a lot of Glock and 1911 pistols in pics of our guys in Iraq. Im just curious if they bring their own when deployed or capture them and keep em, just in case.

I was issued an m16 but no sidearm, m9's were for chiefs if they wanted them and higher. I was in the Seabees, some people got 203's too it just depended on where your place was in the fire team. I'm pretty sure that spec ops carry what they are issued but if they find something that tickles their fancy nobodys gonna care as long as they do their job. For a stint of my enlistment I was stationed with EODMU3 in Coronado,Ca as a Dets driver and maintenance. They all had sig 226's or m9's whichever they shot better that's what they could carry.

Arnold Kuhl
12-13-2013, 09:28
I was issued an m16 but no sidearm, m9's were for chiefs if they wanted them and higher. I was in the Seabees, some people got 203's too it just depended on where your place was in the fire team. I'm pretty sure that spec ops carry what they are issued but if they find something that tickles their fancy nobodys gonna care as long as they do their job. For a stint of my enlistment I was stationed with EODMU3 in Coronado,Ca as a Dets driver and maintenance. They all had sig 226's or m9's whichever they shot better that's what they could carry.
If I were back in uniform and were authorized a sidearm, my no-brainer choice would be the SIG 226 or the Glock 17. Either one would be more than acceptable. I still have my 226, which is 30 years old, and my Gen4 G17, which is new this year. Love them both.

Regards,
AK

MajorD
12-13-2013, 12:04
The army ( and I am sure the other services have something similar) called a to&e ( table of organization and equipment) that indicates what duty positions get what duty weapons. Things do get modified. In 05 when I went to Iraq the to&e stated my duty position is issued a pistol. Right before we deployed the unit came up with spare rifles so we could have both. Later in08 when I went to Afghanistan our to&e indicated a pistol and m4 for each trooper. You are pretty much stuck with what they give you. At times there are spare guns that some people carry ( shotguns primarily) but everyone wants a pistol not because of its combat utility but because when on base your rifle can be stored in a rack or locker and it is much easier to walk around with just the pistol.

MajorD
12-13-2013, 12:05
Also the pistol you get is whatever they have to give you. I saw regular non spec ops guys with sig 228's (m11) and berettas. A few guys got somehow h&k 45's ( the big socom gun)

Toby196
12-13-2013, 12:26
Also the pistol you get is whatever they have to give you. I saw regular non spec ops guys with sig 228's (m11)....You beat me to it. I have two friends that were in the same Combat Engineer unit as me, and after we got back from Iraq they re-classed to C.I.D. and were issued M11's. C.I.D. agents deals with weapons a bit differently compared to "normal" soldiers though, having to carry their weapons at all times (on duty, off duty, flying home on leave, etc.).


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Bren
12-13-2013, 18:11
The coolest looking guns I have ever seen here were 2 CID guys carrying H&K MP5Ks like this, back in 2009:
http://www.riflestock.com/store/images/store/HK_MP5PDW_Folding_Stock.jpg
Nice, as long as nobody shoots at you and makes you wish you weren't carrying 9mm.

My current commander carries and H&K MP7, but he is a colonel (oberst) in the Bundeswehr.

Toby196
12-13-2013, 20:57
The coolest looking guns I have ever seen here were 2 CID guys carrying H&K MP5Ks like this, back in 2009:
http://www.riflestock.com/store/images/store/HK_MP5PDW_Folding_Stock.jpg
Nice, as long as nobody shoots at you and makes you wish you weren't carrying 9mm.

My current commander carries and H&K MP7, but he is a colonel (oberst) in the Bundeswehr.Were those American CID carrying MP5K's? I never asked my friends what weapons they took when they eventually got deployed again (I was already out of the Army before then). I just assumed they would be given a M4 to go along with the M11.

hmsailor
12-13-2013, 21:22
There is only one reason the US DOD wont issue glocks as a standard sidearm..."NO EXTERNAL MANUAL SAFETY"!

paratrooper
12-13-2013, 23:37
There is only one reason the US DOD wont issue glocks as a standard sidearm..."NO EXTERNAL MANUAL SAFETY"!

Not true.

In the begining of the tests there were 85 requirements that were laid down for the winning XM9 pistol; 72 were mandatory while 13 were desirable. A safety was only desirable. Otherwise how do you explain the Sig 226 which also passed all the testing and found acceptable for issue, only to loose out in the bidding. Even the HK P7M13 was entered without a safety even though some argued that the cocking lever was a safety but not according to HK.

Bren
12-14-2013, 01:33
Were those American CID carrying MP5K's? I never asked my friends what weapons they took when they eventually got deployed again (I was already out of the Army before then). I just assumed they would be given a M4 to go along with the M11.

Yes, they were American CID at Kabul International Airport (military side). I have also seen guys walking around with short-barrelled pistol grip shotguns and M4/M16 versions with barrels about 8-10" long.

ShallNotBeInfringed
12-14-2013, 04:36
That anyone knows of?

No, pretty sure not.

sent from my rotary wall phone

series1811
12-14-2013, 06:14
I thought about this thread today. Yesterday I was in the dining facility and saw a guy in multicam uniform with a US iR flag on his right sleeve (so apparently Army or Air Force) with a Glock 17 (at least, I assume 9mm) on his belt. I only saw him from the back, so I'm not 100% sure - might have been a civilian, but the contractors rarely wear multicam.

Then today, I walked in the latrine in my barracks and a guy was standing in there with what appeared to be a J Frame revolver with pachmayer grips in an IWB leather holster in the back of his pants. He just had his T-shirt on, but either Army or Air Force - no civilians in this building.

So aside from all we've said here, you see some strange stuff.

I've been on military bases OCONUS carrying a Glock, but pretty much dressed as a soldier, (and, I know for sure I got mistaken for a Marine one time, because of the dressing down I started to get from a Gunny before he figured out I wasn't one of them). :supergrin:

northstar19
12-16-2013, 19:07
The last I heard, both Delta Force and Rangers use the Glock 17 now.

PattonT
01-15-2014, 10:51
You beat me to it. I have two friends that were in the same Combat Engineer unit as me, and after we got back from Iraq they re-classed to C.I.D. and were issued M11's. C.I.D. agents deals with weapons a bit differently compared to "normal" soldiers though, having to carry their weapons at all times (on duty, off duty, flying home on leave, etc.).

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It is not really the norm for CID to carry their M-11s all the time, they are not supposed to and many don't. However certain excemptions and circumstances exist. What normally happens is CID is allowed to certify at the range with one personal weapon and they carry it off duty. Understand this is not necessarily proper procedure it's easier than carrying the Army's weapon.

Were those American CID carrying MP5K's? I never asked my friends what weapons they took when they eventually got deployed again (I was already out of the Army before then). I just assumed they would be given a M4 to go along with the M11.

I saw a lot of CID and other guys, mostly MPs on PSD, carrying MP5 variants. I never wanted one, I would much rather have a standard M-4 or a shorty M-4.

Yes, they were American CID at Kabul International Airport (military side). I have also seen guys walking around with short-barrelled pistol grip shotguns and M4/M16 versions with barrels about 8-10" long. Things have changed since I was there last in 05, but most of the time CID wouldn't have a shotgun, probably just MPs on a special detail.

hunter 111
01-15-2014, 13:58
not to hi_jack the thread, but i'm hearing the navy seals are using the sig 229? what ever happen to the mk23?

Way too BIG

Toby196
01-15-2014, 14:56
Way too BIGYeah, isn't that thing as big and heavy as a Desert Eagle?

11BTaz
01-31-2014, 09:22
The last I heard, both Delta Force and Rangers use the Glock 17 now.

No, Rangers carry the M9, they have enough for every shooter but most choose not to carry it unless there's a need for a secondary weapon - like squad SOCM's, snipers, gun crews, dudes carrying the "goose" and other systems. Bud of mine still in Batt says there are some numbers of 19's and 23's in inventory but didn't really elaborate, we cared more about catching up then talking shop.

As for Delta/CAG/ACE or whatever they're called this week, they use Glocks in 9mm and 40 from sub-compacts to full-size (former teammate of mine who went to TFG told me that a while back while we were shooting the ****). I heard a rumor they were trying out the long-slide models but never heard or saw anything to substantiate that. They use Glocks and like them.

A number of other commands also use the Glocks and like them. Right before I ETS'd, we had G19's and G26's (as well as M9's from big army), posted pics of them in another thread.

PattonT
01-31-2014, 17:42
The only Glocks I ever saw Delta with was Glock 22. As a matter of fact I have never even seen one with the custom 1911 they are supposed to have.

11BTaz
01-31-2014, 21:40
There's more than just G22's in the arms rooms for that command, as for the 1911's, there's still some in the arms rooms, just not as "prevalent" or in high usage as internet lore would have most believe - Glocks are just cheaper to maintain and replace (can explain later). Only units I can think of off the top of my head using 1911's is some ODA's if they acquire them, and also Marines in MARSOC and the FORECON Companies that got the new Colts.

Ninja
01-31-2014, 23:52
I saw a lot of CID and other guys, mostly MPs on PSD, carrying MP5 variants...

So, who gets the Glock 18 ?

Glock 18 Full Auto - 298 rounds - YouTube

11BTaz
02-01-2014, 00:02
Off the top of my head, Greek Presidential security unit (don't remember the actual unit designation), Austria's EKO Cobra supposedly has them, French EOD and CBRN personnel attached to GIGN, and some protection unit in UAE as well. I'll have to look them up later to confirm.

And for what it's worth, British MOD also recently began phasing out their Hi-Powers (L9A1) and interim Sig P226's and P228's for the Glock 17 Gen4.

Ninja
02-01-2014, 01:52
Which US citizen can use the G18c ? Military, Treasury Dept, FBI, CIA (my uncle was on Nixons' presidential protection Treasury Unit)... I know that dealer has one in the above uTube . This is a G18c at the Georgia Smyrna factory indoor range . These are all here in the USA - So, who gets the Glock 18 ?
:shocked:
http://www.tac-tv.com/videos/tac-tv-episode-11-all-things-glock

LSP972
02-01-2014, 07:55
You are correct it was the model 39.


Goodness, what an entertaining thread… and SO full of BS...:supergrin:

The original "Hush Puppy" was actually the pre-cursor to the S&W M-59; built at the express request of the Navy as a sentry/guard dog elimination tool with a suppressor. Called the Mark 22 Mod 0, it was a 15-shot pistol with a device to lock the slide in place while firing to eliminate slide noise.

This was in the mid-60s; the commercial M-59 appeared in 1971.

And what a sensation it caused. As the first domestic hi-cap 9mm DA pistol, everybody who considered himself a "gun guy" had to have one. The US law enforcement general transition to semi-autos was still over a decade away, but a few priviledged cops were allowed to carry them, and would pay dearly for one. I managed to acquire one in 1975. It didn't take long to figure out the thing was most definitely NOT "all that and a bag of chips", and I traded it for two primo S&W revolvers; a nickle 4" M-19, a six-inch blue M-27, and a sack full of .38 ammunition.

Two years later, I got out of the army and became a trooper. Our issue M-66s didn't arrive until we were almost graduated from the academy, so myself and another cadet used that 4" nickle M-19 in recruit training.

Anyway… I too wonder at all the angst here over who is issued/using what. I think we can all agree that Glock is one of, if not THE, most prolific handguns in our world today.

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LSP972
02-01-2014, 08:06
1st SFOD-D is *supposedly* using Glock 22's with MRDS (Trijicon RMR) mounted on them.

That's where that concept came from...

Negative, sir. Oh, Delta (or whatever they're called these days) most certainly uses RDS-equipped Glocks. But they did not originate the idea.

That credit goes to a fellow named Kelly McCann. He put a JPoint on his Glock 19 some decades ago, and it has slowly morphed into the still-maturing concept it is today.

There is another fellow who likes to hint around that HE developed the concept. In fact, he has made written statements on his forum that he did "pioneer" it. I'm told he has backed off of that. Whatever… he also, for while, referred to himself as a "tribal warlord", so make of that what you will...:upeyes:

Anyway, wrong. Guys like McCann, and David Bowie, and a particular SoCal police armorer whose name escapes me at the moment, were putting red dot sights on pistols long before this other fellow even thought about it.

IIRC, you have a Glock with an RDS? I have several. An amazing tool, though not without drawbacks.

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11BTaz
02-05-2014, 09:06
Goodness, what an entertaining thread… and SO full of BS...:supergrin:


Are you seriously going to try to tell me what I did or did not carry, REALLY guy!? I have pictures of the Glock 19's AND 26's on weapons racks in our arms rooms, but I'm sure you'll try to say that they're photo-shopped or some other bull *****. Granted there are some who have posted in this thread who should not have, then there are those of us who can actually speak from first-hand experience. Glocks are in use with specific units on this side of the ocean and by those abroad. I can comment on the former because I carried one.

11BTaz
02-05-2014, 09:18
Negative, sir. Oh, Delta (or whatever they're called these days) most certainly uses RDS-equipped Glocks. But they did not originate the idea.
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That is true, they did NOT create the concept. I can understand why some might want a mini red dot on a handgun for target and competition shooting. However on a sidearm, which is a secondary weapon, which will also be subject to hard use in various levels of training. I just see it as a unnecessary complication, and malfunction waiting to happen. Just a personal opinion, but to me sidearms as a secondary weapon don't need to be "high speed", honestly the simpler the better.

StevieJ
02-06-2014, 01:23
Ranger with a Glock:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/542/ery0.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/f2ery0j)

Another Ranger with a Glock:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/822/iic1.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/muiic1j)

These next two are SF from what I can remember:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/12/zu4x.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/0czu4xj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/819/wakq.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/mrwakqj)

I believe these next two are SF as well. They were giving some sort of demo from what I remember:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/600/rwpi.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/gorwpij)

One of the guys from the previous picture:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/560/tn9f.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/fktn9fj)

StevieJ
02-06-2014, 01:24
There are plenty more pictures out there of Rangers with Glocks as well. I thought I had a bunch more than I apparently do.

The other guy from the last two pictures:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/849/m8tn.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/nlm8tnj)

Found another one of a Ranger with a Glock.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/841/50py.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/nd50pyj)

11BTaz
02-07-2014, 13:17
StevieJ, in your first post, the bottom two pics and the first pic from your 2nd post. Yes those guys are SF. They are SFARTAETC instructors at Fort Bragg, it was a demonstration, part of 2012's CAPEX. SFARTAETC, long story short is a 2 month long shooting course that teaches SF Soldiers (Green Berets) the skills necessary to be members of their parent unit's CIF Company (and no I'm not talking central issue facility). The Rangers that get Glocks are generally snipers and those assigned to Batt Recce Platoon. Good pics dude!

bunk22
02-07-2014, 20:02
Just got back from down range, in Afghanistan and saw plenty of military folks with Glocks on their side. Of course contractors had them as well. Good to see the Glock representing :supergrin:

dvparrish
02-07-2014, 20:16
what he said. Somebody else pointed out the fact that units buy stuff that has an NSN. SOF folks in AF had a bunch of 19s.

PattonT
02-07-2014, 21:12
I am not arguing the existence of Glocks in use by the US Military, but just because something has an NSN does not mean it is for the Military. I work for a federal government agency(non LEO mission) and we order stuff off of NSN.
I totally agree, in fact when I was in the Army my MP unit bought shotguns out of company funds to take oversees.

Todd00000
02-08-2014, 03:38
Saudia Arabian MPs use Glocks with left side thumb safeties installed.

Toby196
02-08-2014, 06:22
Saudia Arabian MPs use Glocks with left side thumb safeties installed.Do you have any pics of those Glocks. I'm trying to imagine what one looks like with a thumb safety.

dvparrish
02-08-2014, 17:11
I am not arguing the existence of Glocks in use by the US Military, but just because something has an NSN does not mean it is for the Military. I work for a federal government agency(non LEO mission) and we order stuff off of NSN.

Lots of units own and use glocks in the sof community. they buy them and routinely put them on the property books

skip4309
02-08-2014, 19:29
Being retired from the military you would be surprised at the number of persons issued weapons that are incompetent/and or not trained as well as those who are professional front line soldiers, sailors and airmen...that's why they (probably) require a manual safety. Not everyone issued a weapon is proficient...

erikofnorway
03-30-2014, 21:54
Here is a picture of a Norwegian Army P80 (Glock 17). They have Gen 1, 2 and 3, and are now transferring to Gen 4. All slides, frames and magazines are marked with Crowned N in a shield. Frames are un numbered.

Toby196
03-30-2014, 23:12
Here is a picture of a Norwegian Army P80 (Glock 17). They have Gen 1, 2 and 3, and are now transferring to Gen 4. All slides, frames and magazines are marked with Crowned N in a shield. Frames are un numbered.Thanks for the pics, erik.

BTW, how big is that person's hands? That G17 looks tiny in that picture.

erikofnorway
03-31-2014, 07:31
Here are some more pictures of Norwegian Army Glock P80's. Serial numbers are only on slides and barrels. Number plate on frame is left blank. On Gen 1 frames there are no number plates. As mentioned in my previous post, all frames are marked with Norwegian Army insignia on lower grip, on slide and on all mags. This was done at Glock factory.

Jake Starr
03-31-2014, 07:34
The IDF uses G17c. Some civilian units use the G19c.

ntesla
03-31-2014, 10:03
glock 34 used by french and malaysian govt

ntesla
03-31-2014, 10:08
wiki the glock and it will give all info on what countries/military use

tecolote
03-31-2014, 12:22
Erik:
Are all three Generations of P80s in use at the same time, and are Norwegian personnel allowed to add night sights or modify their issued pistol in any way?
Thanks in advance.

Tecolote

erikofnorway
03-31-2014, 13:47
Erik:
Are all three Generations of P80s in use at the same time, and are Norwegian personnel allowed to add night sights or modify their issued pistol in any way?
Thanks in advance.

Tecolote


Norway was as I understand the first country to adapt the P80. Subsequently that was Gen 1. When Gen 2 and 3 became available as current models, these were delivered and all in use at the same time. Many of the older Gen 1 and Gen 2 frames have been replaced with Gen 3 frames that has rails to enable mounting of lights and lasers. Keep in mind that in Norway it is the slide which is considered the "gun", while the frame is just a "parts assembly". Therefore frames are not numbered and basically discarded when obsolete. Norway is now in the process of changing to Gen 4, and all older versions of the P80 will be shredded. I am not in the military now, but I know that each individual has certain freedom to modify their personal weapon depending on what duty they have. For those that served in Afghanistan that could also mean desert camo paint.

skip4309
03-31-2014, 14:20
Here is a picture of a Norwegian Army P80 (Glock 17). They have Gen 1, 2 and 3, and are now transferring to Gen 4. All slides, frames and magazines are marked with Crowned N in a shield. Frames are un numbered.

The one pictured does not have an accessory rail...I wonder if their new Gen3/4's models have them?

erikofnorway
03-31-2014, 14:22
The one pictured does not have an accessory rail...I wonder if their new Gen3/4's models have them?



Yes, they do. On one of the pictures I posted above you see a Gen 3 with light/laser mounted. Also last photo shows a Gen 3 where rail is visible.


But the Gen 3's are still being phased out mainly because parts are not compatible with Gen 4. This was never a problem with Gen 1-3.


Erik

skip4309
03-31-2014, 14:37
Yes, they do. On one of the pictures I posted above you see a Gen 3 with light/laser mounted. Also last photo shows a Gen 3 where rail is visible.


But the Gen 3's are still being phased out mainly because parts are not compatible with Gen 4. This was never a problem with Gen 1-3.


Would love to get my hands on one...just to to have it (with the Norway crown seal and all)...I can't even find a G19 Gen4 in FDE around here...(like I really need another Glock)! To be honest I want a G17 Gen4 in FDE...and another G19 Gen4 (for backup) in FDE...I would sell my soul...especially if it was a Blue Label purchase...:supergrin:

tecolote
03-31-2014, 14:42
Erik:
Thanks for the reply. It's a shame the older guns will get the chop; I'd love to have a Norwegian P80.

Regards,

Tecolote